The Weak Roster

June 10th, 2015
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Joe has stated many times that when a team finishes 2-14, there are more holes to fill than on a freaking screen door. On top of that, the Bucs jettisoned five starters, which one could argue were holes to begin with.

So to get the team competing for a .500 record or better, it’s likely going to take more than just one draft, as Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht said last month.

To illustrate this point, the spreadsheeters over at ranked the talent of all NFL rosters. This is not a power ranking, but a ranking of who has the most talent. And it is not pretty for the Bucs, as Sam Monson puts the Bucs at No. 29.

In other words, a scary thin roster.

29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2014 Ranking: 17

Top five players: Gerald McCoy, Lavonte David, Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Demar Dotson

Starters who should be upgraded: Louis Murphy, Chris Conte, Johnthan Banks, Bruce Carter, Clinton McDonald

Analysis: McCoy and David are elite defensive talents, but unfortunately for the Bucs, they don’t have much around them. Players like Danny Lansanah and Henry Melton have the ability to change that, but there are still major holes at defensive end, nose tackle and safety.

No. 1 overall pick Jameis Winston is the headline addition to the offense, but the Bucs are also slated to start rookies at left tackle and right guard, leaving some uncertainty around the level of protection Winston will get in Year 1.

First off, if Demar Dotson is the fifth-best player on your roster, you have very real, very serious problems. Second, Monson must be hanging with Lovie Smith if he thinks Johnthan Banks needs to be run off (the other stat geeks, Football Outsiders, are of the mind Alterraun Verner is the drag in the secondary. Statgeeks disagreeing? Slapfight!).

Joe also finds it amusing that Chris Conte is deemed in need of being run; the guy hasn’t had one snap yet with the Bucs.

Joe thought these spreadsheeters based their data on rigorous tape study and a trusty calculator. So where is the film of Conte playing for Tampa Bay? This sounds as fishy as that nonsense tarot-card-reader stat WAR in baseball.

While Joe may not agree with all of Monson’s findings, the bitter truth is real: The Bucs have a long way to go to become a consistent winner.

40 Responses to “The Weak Roster”

  1. BucfanBF Says:

    Like to add that we don’t need a nose tackle either. Getting tired of reading news reports from jack wagons who have never put on a uniform.
    We are lacking starters and depth but the Bucs are working on it.

  2. ChanEpic Says:

    Weak roster in a weak division. something’s got to give.

  3. Dick2111 Says:

    Starters who should be upgraded? Not sure where Sam Monson is coming from Joe.

    Clinton McDonald had an very good year I thought (as did Spence). So did Jonathan Banks. Louis Murphy isn’t considered to be a starter. Conte and Carter are new to the Bucs so who is Monson comparing them to … Goldson and Foster?

  4. Hunter Says:

    Banks and McDonald are quality starters , along with carter . What is the guy talking about. If he had said both of our DE positions , center , guard and tackle I would agree

  5. Tom S. Says:

    Five years of “Rockstar” Mark Dominik running the show will do that to you.

    It’s a shame a top 10 pick at safety and another safety that got a 41 million dollar contract would already be off the roster after 2-3 years. While luminaries such as Brandon McDougald and Chris Conte are considered upgrades.

  6. The Buc Realist Says:

    Its time for some around here to accept Reality!! If Lovie wants to squeeze an extra year here, he better start saying that this is a total rebuild when training camp comes around. 4-5 wins is what we are looking at right now. And the 5 wins might be on the side of overachieving considering the talent ( lack-of) and the coaching ( head conservative coach)!!!

  7. The Buc Realist Says:

    @Tom S.

    i will be keeping any eye and an open ear towards that certain safety in St. Louis. just curious to see if he just sucked, or did not “fit” into the Lovie’s passive system.

  8. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Man whatever lol. wtf is wrong with Clinton McDonald?

    And as mentioned; 2 of the “starters” haven’t ever played for Tampa yet and not sure Conte will start or not.

  9. loser/winston Says:

    THE WEAK ROSTER? the weak head coach. the weak phony rookie QB. the weak Oline. and so on. people still blaming Dominick really? he is better than the stiff they have now sharing his role with that bone head lovie. prediction. lovie wont make it past 2016.

  10. salish_seamonster Says:

    I don’t see the point in reviewing what all the various commentators have to say at this time of year. We know half of them are ignorant about what’s going on with the team. We know predictions at this time of year mean NOTHING. So what’s the point? I don’t care what all the evaluators and predictors have to say. Even if they were predicting big things I’d say the same thing. It’s all a bunch of garbage-scented hot air whose sole function is to create drama where there is none.

  11. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    This has nothing to do with reality. It has to do with generating clicks, ads, fans, seats in the stadium….it works financially for the sport to keep all the fans jacked through the slow summer with this kind of mindless pablum.

    And I don’t mean to pick on just these guys. Herm Edwards had the Bucs going to the SB last year….does that mean we should automatically ignore Herm after such a hugh mistake.,

    Same for these stat geeks….just read their numbers and you can see how absurd this entire exercise has become.

    29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    2014 Ranking: 17

    And so the Bucs finished dead last in 2014 when these guys said they had the 17th best talent? And now we’re supposed to place any credibility in their new numbers.

    ALL of us are just tossing off projections and virtually ANY of them could come true. Obviously some are more likely to happen than others but I simply cannot buy into the Bucs suck worse than every other team in our division.

  12. tmaxcon Says:

    yeah joe stop posting comments from outsiders that Lovie supporters can’t handle…

    Remember everyone else can be held accountable but Lovie… Free Pass Smith has a nice ring to it…

    Carter has never played a full season at MLB… When he did play MLB in dallas it was not very good. Lovie has gambled on each and every free agent signing this off season. Free Pass is gambling on either health or recapture past mediocrity. Also, he has gambled on all but 2 draft picks this year…. To be fair I actually like the draft class but there are some gambles like every draft class.

    at least he got the america’s quarterback pick right.

    just to clarify when Lovie says you are what your record says you are he is referring to the other 31 coaches… not his own pathetic 2-14 performance.

  13. Ray Rice Says:

    Once the WIN-stons start coming this will all change!

  14. Leighroy Says:

    Love the post of this Jess Greenberg chick. I haven’t even watched the video, but i love just having her guitar cushions in view on the page!

  15. Idontwannahearitanymore Says:

    …and now we have outside media trolling this site. Jeeesh!

  16. Leighroy Says:

    I watched the video. IT GETS BETTER!

  17. unbelievable Says:

    girl can rip that guitar too, hot damn!

  18. rayjay1122 Says:

    These guys just come up with categories and other than a few players, they just pull names out of a hat to finish their list so as to not actually have to do any real work or analysis. National media are to lazy to put any work into these type of things. This is just “underwear journalism”, as it is just not very informative.

  19. SeattleBuc Says:

    Weak at nose tackle? Banks needs upgraded? LMAO! Total BS

  20. rayjay1122 Says:

    Hot chicks with cleavage and guitars make the world a better place. 🙂

  21. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Starters who should be upgraded: Louis Murphy, Chris Conte, Johnthan Banks, Bruce Carter, Clinton McDonald

    once again proof you shouldn’t be writing about all nfl teams if you know nothing about them. who said Chris conte who just got here is slated as a starter and whats wrong with jonathan banks and demar Dotson is not the 5th best player on the team, he may be the best on offensive line but come on dude you look kinda stupid….Bruce Carter, Clinton McDonald? did know there were so many middle linebackers just sitting around waiting for a chance to be superstars. Clinton McDonald had an average season but he’s no pass rusher anyway. making themselves look bad. Oakland, Jacksonville and Kansas city must be below us but st Louis has nothing outside of a dominant defensive line. 29 is a bad rating, we should atleast be 28th lol

  22. Tampa Tony Says:

    5 years of Dominik drafts will do that to this team. Yet the Joes think he was a good gm?

  23. BigMacAttack Says:

    Nice video, wake me when season starts.

  24. Clodhopper Says:

    I was going to complain about that broad ruining an AC/DC song like Celine Dion did. Then I pushed play. Those ta tas bouncing off the guitar somehow made it better.

  25. Brent Says:

    Not adding anything new here but that’s a crazy a$$ article. McDonald is considered solid as is banks. Can’t speak for carter or conte but they are considered good fits for Lovie defense. And like you said haven’t played..lmao. Did this dude see the interior of our offensive line last year? Or our de situation. Wow. Please blacklist this dude joe. Ps–am I the only guy who like Murphy as a reserve reciever. Why is this guy so maligned. He’s a decent backup. I’d say #4 or 5 type ideally..

  26. Jfgobucs Says:

    Only thing we are deep in is…Do Do…

  27. Wausa Says:

    If the Bucs roster wasn’t so poor and the disaster at Offensive Cord, din’t happen last year we would not have been able to obtain a premier player in Jameis.
    It worked out for the best in the long run for the Bucs.

  28. Buc-A-New Says:

    Man does she have two weapons of Mass Destraction

  29. Pickgrin Says:

    Nice bonus video Joe. Took 2+ minutes before I had any inkling to scroll down and read the comments.

    Good one Gator.

  30. chickster Says:

    Joe is a looser he so negative its crazy there is a lot of teams with a lot of holes covered up with a good qb and good coaching if tom brady did not play they are very average at best

  31. Buccfan37 Says:

    That should temper the enthusiasm of all we Buc fans who hold lofty views of a winning record or better for the upcoming season.

  32. Buc-A-New Says:

    @Pick…Thank you very much sir.

  33. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Drafting Ali Marpet in the 2nd and then not taking a flyer on La’el Collins shows the total buffonery that is running this organization…..if the draft is to protect Jameis, draft collins

  34. pick6 Says:

    wow. her boobs have 900,000+ youtube subscribers

  35. salish_seamonster Says:

    Dusthty Rhothdes Says:
    June 10th, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    Drafting Ali Marpet in the 2nd and then not taking a flyer on La’el Collins shows the total buffonery that is running this organization…..if the draft is to protect Jameis, draft collins

    Yeah, so every other team in the league that needed OL that passed on Collins is also being run by buffoons right? Jeezus, if you’re gonna make up a reason to criticize, at least make up one that makes sense. The stupidity on this site continues to amaze me.

  36. dusthty rhothdes Says:

    salish, dont know the needs of the other teams, however do know the needs of this 2-14 horrible team and that is OL, so yes gamble on a d3er then gamble on collins a definite future all pro, ignorant ppl resort to name calling, and people accepting the crap the bucs are serving enjoy losing, show me anyone who likes losing and well then because your so smart you know the rest

  37. Joe Says:

    wow. her boobs have 900,000+ youtube subscribers


  38. Gt40bear Says:

    My opinion is….wait, what was this article about? Sorry got a little distracted for some reason.

  39. MadMax Says:

    Our WR’s are not weak, thats for sure. Especially with the addition of Bell and Humphries! Adam Humphries was LOVED by all the Clemson fans Im surrounded by….a great blocker and used in special package type plays. As long as Winston is getting enough protection, I see our offense blowing the doors off of some of these teams!!!

    at least a .500 season, but probably more.

  40. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    “not taking a flyer on La’el Collins”

    I’ve seen this said in other posts. I wonder if the posters realize that Lael Collins dropped ot the bottom of the draft because of his “connection” to a double homicide. Not saying he’s guilty or innocent, just pointing out that NFL teams were simply unwilling….NOT JUST THE BUCS…to gamble a high draft pick.
    2nd…given that situation Collins and his agent let it be known they would not sign as a bottom draft picks because free agency actually game them a much better bargaining positions.

    3rd My first two points have already been reported as fact. The point I can neither refute nor make, nor do I believe any of you know, is just how hard the Bucs went after Collins in free agency. It’s not like the Bucs were Collin’s most attractive option.

    2-14!!! The Bucs clearly made some major mistakes. We don’t need to create any additional “mistakes” that aren’t even necessarily true.