Fair Or Foul?

May 15th, 2015


Earlier this week, iconic former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden nearly broke Twitter when he referred to “America’s Quarterback,” Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, as an “embarrassment in a lot of ways” when he played at FSU.

Joe thought it was a fair comment but Bucs coach Lovie Smith did not. So who was wrong, Bowden or Lovie? Seems the sophists at BSPN, screamin’ Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless, weighed in on the subject.

See what the duo had to say in the BSPN video below.

33 Responses to “Fair Or Foul?”

  1. Tom Edrington Says:

    No need to look in the rear view mirror. Jameis has a lot of learning in front of him.

    Hope he’ll do great and meet the sky-high expectations of the Joe(s) and their minions……..thought here is that he should earn the title “America’s Quarterback” rather than it simply being handed to him.

    The true “America’s Quarterback” was Roger Staubach during his days at the Naval Academy……didn’t get any better than that and he carried it over to Dallas after four years serving our country in the Navy. Watched him many Saturday afternoons at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium…..

  2. Hawk Says:

    While I do not believe that Bowden’s comment would have had any affect on the Buccaneers (or anyone else’s) draft plans, it cannot be denied that waiting until AFTER the draft, to tell the truth, was being ‘fair’ only to Winston. Regardless of what people think, there will always be people who will lie (withhold facts, etc) to cover for someone who is important (to them).
    IMO, if Bowden wasn’t man enough to say it before the draft, he should have gone to the grave with it. It served no purpose to say it now, except to make Bowden look two-faced.

  3. Dean Says:

    First if all, I am unabashedly a tremendous fan and backer of Jameis Winston (and Florida State University). But let’s be honest guys:

    1. BB gun fight
    2. Rape allegations
    3. Crablegs walking out of store
    4. Jump on lunchroom table and scream obscenities

    All of the above DID add up to embarrassment for Jameis AND FSU. Now I believe he can mature and move past these issues.

    The biggest problem with Coach Bowden’s comments, were that they did not give the WHOLE comment. He said the kid was perhaps one of the finest players to ever play at FSU and would grow up and end those immature mistakes.

  4. bucs4lyfe Says:

    lol you know I kinda laughed at bobby Bowden…sure don’t remember him saying that about HIS players during the academic fraud that involved a total of 61 athletes, who allegedly cheated on an online music course exam.

    nah no one asked him about that at all, no one wants your to remember that so lets act like FSU players were all saints before Winston came along because bobby Bowden can call Winston an embarrasement, after all he’s probably too old to remember it anyway

  5. tval Says:

    I dont think on that stage, to that troll, it was appropriate whatsoever. Bobby knew better and proved theres still bad blood between he & fsu..he hasnt met jameis, really? Didnt want to say “hey” during nc st game? Doing great job young man..thats suspect to me. Disappointed, sure..embarrassed?!? Never..rix was embarrassing..Definitely a different era but i respect that point, as an eagles fan, tom! 🙂 i think the america’s qb can be accurate due to the simple fact jameis consistently exhibits what you want in that type franchise position/player, despite how people want to portray him. Hes such an engaging, personable, and genuinely thoughtful person on top of being amazing talent. mentioning jimbos son ethan during post game title speech was awesome, and the perfect example of why he has loyal supporters. To me its more of a well deserved ‘thumbing of the nose’ at critics.

  6. bucco brice Says:

    I watched another FSU game last night…I’ve mentioned earlier about Winston’s delivery – it’s a concern. The guy is accurate for sure but he had all day to throw pretty much and that windup, though only a fracture slower than others, could have DB’s drooling…hope I’m wrong

  7. Mariota Joe Says:

    “America’s Infamous Quarterback” shows once again that he’s The Great Divider. JBF….your earlier post about Culverhouse and “respect is earned”…..apply it equally. It’s so ridiculous to watch Infamous and FSU fans absolutely trash THE most iconic, THE most respected Nole of all time, especially when he speaks the truth (and local radio talk show hosts agree).

  8. Mariota Joe Says:

    tval says…..”i think the america’s qb can be accurate due to the simple fact jameis consistently exhibits what you want in that type franchise position/player”……WTF??? Consistenly exhibits what? Stupidity??? Trust me…he is ONLY “America’s (Infamous) quarterback” here on this site, and only to a few.

  9. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    This is all so dumb and just something for 24 hour sports networks to use as a reason for their talking heads to have words dribble out of their mouths

    This will be forgotten about tomorrow. Just like “OMG, Jameis isn’t going to the draft, what a red flag!” and “OMG, did you see that one picture where he’s basically a fatter version of Gabourey Sibide?!?!?!”

  10. bucs4lyfe Says:

    @Mariota Joe

    THE most iconic doesn’t mean infallible….all the garbage people spit about FSU as a college didn’t mysteriously began when jimbo fisher took over and he’s never come out and called his own players an embarrasement. but I get it, the MGM disbanded and you became Mariota Joe lol. as a coach or teammate you stand up for the guy wearing your uniform or in your organization. was lovie out of bounds in his comments nope but bobby Bowden was. he’s the most iconic figure in FSU history but doesn’t have the platform to speak to the kid?

  11. Harry Says:

    Bayless said it very well. And it was an honest response to a question. I love Bowden. But my problem with his response is that he is being hypocritical. Jameis is part of the FSU football family that Bowden was instrumental in building. And Bowden had plenty of his own embarrassments along the way. It is selfish and stupid of him to throw an important family member under the garnet and gold bus – there are enough people on the outside looking for the smallest reason to do that

  12. Tiny Tim Says:

    bucco brice Says:

    May 15th, 2015 at 9:34 am

    I watched another FSU game last night…I’ve mentioned earlier about Winston’s delivery – it’s a concern. The guy is accurate for sure but he had all day to throw pretty much and that windup, though only a fracture slower than others, could have DB’s drooling…hope I’m wrong


    I am tired of you Winston bashers. Where in the he!! have you been the past 5 months? Didn’t you see his delivery changed at the combine? Didn’t you know his delivery was even better at his pro day? You are still looking at college film? You are still on that? If you are going to bash Winston, at least keep up with current events. I mean really.

  13. bucs4lyfe Says:

    @Tiny Tim

    theres nothing you can do bro, these are probably the same one’s that think mike glennon was actually a franchise quarterback….I will say this forget throwing the football, forget off field issues, forget draft position and realize that when you have a franchise quarterback this is how it is. the media talks about him all day everyday, the media finds every little story possible to bring it to fans. no one has talked about quarterbacks like this ever unless it was in disgust. your dealing with people that are still mad about the past, still mad that freeman sabotaged the bucs and that glennon hasn’t gotten a shot yet….he wont get a shot this year either

  14. bucco brice Says:

    @Tiny Tim
    …Winston’s going to have to “tip toe through the tulips” a lot more than college…hope his old windup habit doesn’t come back or he might reach Testaverde numbers

  15. bucs4lyfe Says:

    @ bucco brice

    glennon didn’t have a windup…..he was still garbage so try again because how he throws it wont hurt as much as who he throws it too. if your gonna complain about something please atleast complain about something other type get paid to talk about and evaluate. since you don’t realize it i’m gonna help you out, Winston is the best quarterback on the roster

  16. bucco brice Says:

    I’m not trying to bash the guy. All his other qualities are exceptional. It’s just a concern and question mark in his game. That extra fraction of a second can telegraph to the DB’s

  17. pick6 Says:

    Jameis Winston’s biggest problem is that there is a monstrous sports media machine that needs content, villains, and heroes, especially in that 7 month stretch where not a single down of football is played. until the deflategate ruling came down, there was no other “designated villain” to for sportswriters and judgemental fans during this long, long offseason.

    the good news is that in 2015 people have really short attention spans, and sooner or later there will be a new guy to step in as the media pinata, and perhaps at that point JW can go back to being viewed as a human being and a football player, instead of a maniacal sociopath fueled by theft and sexual domination.

  18. The Other Side of the Coin Says:

    The only reason Winston was an embarrassment to FSU was because he was such a star player. Sure he made some immature mistakes. but who would have noticed if he wasn’t a star? I agree this has more to do with sports media looking for ratings.

  19. Mariota Joe Says:

    Keep on making excuses for Infamous guys……he needs them.

  20. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Go Bucs! Go Noles!


  21. chickster Says:

    wow rape is a immature mistake wonder if the thousands of young men in prison think that way and wondering where is there pass just because he is a football player wow

  22. Lord Cornelius Says:


    WInston’s O-line was not highly rated last year in pass blocking from everything I’ve read and what I saw in the games. There were games where the protection was pretty solid but he was hit a lot last year and the line was a major dissapointment for what the team was expecting going into the year

  23. Buccfan37 Says:

    I thought Bowden was pushed out as head coach at FSU, he is mashing sour grapes.

  24. Buc1987 Says:

    The Face of The Franchise.

  25. unbelievable Says:

    It’s very concerning whenever I find myself agreeing with skip Bayless.

    But he is right. And the whole reason the twittersphere erupted was bc of how Bowdens comment was misrepresented in finebaum’s tweet.

  26. Tom Edrington Says:

    Probably most here can’t remember back in the early 80s when a bunch of Bobby’s players were arrested for stealing stuff off the loading docks at Maas Brothers……..

  27. Edgewalker Says:

    I form my own opinions. I don’t give a damn what Bobby thinks.

  28. Dreambig Says:

    My opinion is this: Boby expressed his opinion, nothing wrong with that. Jameis will make all this noise irrelevant. Its quietly starting already … greating rookies at the door, obsessed with the playbook. Change is coming! You can feel it! Passion … talent … obsession = Sucess every time. I just rewatched the highlights of Winstons first game against Pitt. Its Soooo Good, it gives me a woody!

  29. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    FSU fans should be really peoed. Not at Bobby Bowden but at the Finebaum producer who posted on a small section of the actual answer.

    First off to make one correction from above. Bobby has been saying this the incidents occurred.

    Second. Bobby did admit that he had players who embarrassed him and that virtually every major U football program had these kinds of players.

    This is NOT a story. This is off season filler! It’s not news! Bobby has long been on the record about being upset over the incidents. And it’s p!ss poor reporting for anybody to take things out of context. But then nobody will ever accuse Paul Finebaum of being an actual journalist and anybody who can watch Stephen the Egomaniac Smith compete with Skip the conceited Bayless in the daily battle of egos and loud mouths has taste for sh!t.

  30. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Typos…Bobby has said this since the incidents took place…he did not wait until after the draft. And his comments were twisted to try to make them look like they were newsworthy giving Finebaum undeserved publicity.

    Scrw Finebaum. If you not from Alabama why would you pay attention to this guy?

  31. Clodhopper Says:

    IMO he was. But. When they retire his jersey, or put him in the ring of honor or whatever they do at FSU. He will be publicly honored one day and next thing you know, all this other crap is completely forgotten.

    Or he will be the subject of a 30 for 30 episode like Marcus Dupree. (That was a great episode BTW)

  32. loggedontosay Says:

    Is Steven A. Smith Sambooing or Cooning?

  33. White Tiger Says:

    It seems no one from FSU wants to acknowledge “St Bobby” now that he’s told the truth. This kid was a trouble magnet in college. He was great on the field and that seemed to buy him a pass with the authorities that mattered in Tally.

    Bowden was spot on with his analysis. It’s exactly what many of us assessed after the terrible thrashing at the hands of Mariota’s Ducks in the CF playoff’s. He even alluded to trying to figure out what happened and getting prepared for NEXT season (at FSU). The university never came out and endorsed it, as a matter of fact after returning home and meeting with Jimbo…Jameis decided to turn pro.

    It’s my belief they strongly encouraged him to move along, he was a career killer of any head coach and university president. They bent a LOT of rules to keep him from being suspended…and that’s JUST for the student union incident…

    Hopefully he learned something, but he doesn’t seem to put a lot of contrition into actions…only in his words.

    Go Bucs.