“Most Investigated Player in NFL History”

April 10th, 2015

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Bucs fans concerned that Jameis Winston’s past off-field hiccups may bubble up again after if the Bucs draft him are not out of line.

Neither are antsy NFL clubs.

Good guy Mike Freeman, of BleacherReport.com, who is about as well-connected as any NFL columnist, typed a feature on the investigation of Jameis Winston and how thorough it has been by both the NFL and the Bucs. In short, Freeman got an unnamed Tampa Bay executive to suggest Winston has been the “most investigated player in NFL history.”

In short, Winston has been tailed virtually every waking minute of his life the past few months.

At various times this past season, people used by various NFL teams—a combination of team security officials, league security officials and in some cases area scouts—have followed Winston across the Florida State campus and other places.

Security officials and scouts have followed Winston after practices, around campus and even when Winston has traveled to visit friends and relatives off campus, according to numerous team officials familiar with the spying on Winston.

Freeman spoke with non-Bucs officials, including former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik, and found that NFL teams are paranoid about recent off-field developments from both current and former NFL players. In short, the NFL wanted to make sure Winston was not another Aaron Hernandez, Ray Rice or Darren Sharper.

Despite the mountains of evidence collected by both the NFL and individual teams, Freeman documents, some teams remained too spooked by Winston and removed him from their draft boards.

71 Responses to ““Most Investigated Player in NFL History””

  1. Mariota Joe Says:

    Ok, JBF….ask yourself this…..Why is Winston purportedly the most investigated player in NFL history, and why have many teams simply said “no thanks”? Not because of race. Not because he’s a Seminole, for sure. Not by chance. Not anyone else’s fault. Not Duemig’s fault. Not my fault or ANY of the pro-Mariota fans. The answer is simple……just gotta grasp that fact.

  2. Pickgrin Says:

    Daniel Jeremiah reported that NO team he spoke with had taken Winston off their board. So which is it? I tend to believe that anyone or any team that has done their homework is just fine with Winston’s “character”.

    The media’s character assassination of Winston is what has been unprecedented.

  3. Drew Says:

    Lock your daughters up.

  4. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Waaaaa cry me a freaking river you co dependent apologist!!!

    The media’s character assassination of Winston is what has been unprecedented.

    Do you guys EVER stop to use your brains before tying. WHY would the media have any need to assassinate Fameis character? There are plenty of famous black QB’s and a Samoan they could have picked on. Why didn’t they go after Hundley the same way.

    You know why? Because at minimum Fameis has TWO suspensions and one of them could have cost his team a conference title. The freaking media did NOT MAKE THAT UP!!!

    I’m on board with signing Fameis. But some of you need to get up off your knees and stop fluffing him. He MESSED UP big time. Forget the rape allegations, Forget the story from the OTHER girls who claimed she needed counseling…but don’t forget the SUSPENSIONS! Those were not ordered by the media and nobody has tried to asssassinate his character.

    The actual truth is that because of his awesome athletic skills Fameis has been given far more latitude and forgiveness than any NORMAL person.

    He’s a great football players. Leave it at that and hope to hell that he doesn’t embarrass Buc nation with another off field screw up.

    But hey if Fameis does screw up I’m sure we can come to JBF and have the usual apologists blame it on the media…the humid air in Florida….the victim…anything or anybody but Fameis who can do NO wrong as far as some of you are concerned….AS LONG as he plays great football.

  5. Tom Says:

    Actually most people believe the suspensions were in response to media outrage

  6. bucs4lyfe Says:

    lies….you removed him from your board if you have a quarterback, the rest the the high moral ground until draft day

  7. Edgewalker Says:

    I thought he had one suspension.

  8. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    No Tom YOU believe that! Not most people. Perhaps MOST FSU fans but not MOST people.

    The media did not take risks with two women who if wrong are at best then very unstable.

    The media did not do ALL THE OTHER things Fameis has done. There is a PATTERN which is what concerns MOST people.

    For people who do not understand what co-dependent means…from the dictionary…

    “Codependency. Codependent relationships are a type of dysfunctional helping relationship where one person supports or enables another person’s addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement.

  9. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Lies? I’ve been on the record here for at least a month as having switched from Mariota to Winston. I’ve used the Belicheat example over and over again to AGREE with Joe’s point about having to take a QB. I feel comfortable with my record.

    No are those of you really so blind as you believe Fameis did NOTHING? The media made all of this up.

    First suspension was for baseball and the shoplifting incident. The second was for a remark made in PUBLIC while Fameis was still being investigated on RAPE accusations. Now if that isn’t immature at minimum and irresponsible to his teammates and school then you guys really do have your heads stuffed hopefully just in the sand and not some nether region of your body.

  10. WS99 Says:


    Im sorry Jameis is a immature kid with no filter and a passion for life and football. All will be forgiven we we are 12-4 or 10-6 or in the wild card hunt.

    If he mucks up I’ll be the first to call him out and myself too for fighting for him.

    Yesterday I made a comment that I am not proud of, it was dispicable. My sincerest apologizes. I get worked up by robert9 and Barry and loss my cool.

  11. WS99 Says:

    Can’t we all just get along? Lol

  12. Mariota Joe Says:

    If he mucks up, THEN you’ll call him out???? SMH

  13. bucs4lyfe Says:

    the half game suspension for jumping up on the table happened last september which you cant honestly think is serious, the crab legs happened prior to that in april, someone accused the damn dude of stealing soda from a burger king and never charged because it was stupid and insulting to even report. so he had the rape accusation in 2012 these those two incidents in april and september of 2014 and after all this fishing no one has really caught anything. no one made a big deal about mike evans getting in a bar fight, or derrick brooks stealing in college either, no one cares about warren sapp’s issues because he’s already a hall of famer. get a grip people it’s 2015 seriously and all this hunting and investigating but all people can do is generalize it as “off field issues” i think it was more idiotic to be considered a top 10 pick but come to the combine with drugs in your system but thats just me

  14. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Im sorry Jameis is a immature kid with no filter and a passion for life and football. All will be forgiven we we are 12-4 or 10-6 or in the wild card hunt.

    If he mucks up I’ll be the first to call him out and myself too for fighting for him.

    Amen brotha!!! That’s been exactly my position for about a month now. Even before I left the Mariota camp and joined the Fameis camp I’ve always said that just out of human compassion I hope Fameis get’s his life together.
    I do not hate him. He seems like a truly likeable young man so just for his sake on a compassionate level why wouldn’t we all hope he grows up. Obviously from a Bucs fan perspective we’re all rooting for that.

    I think what disturbs me most is not even Fameis actions but the general trend in society to give celebrities, not just athletes so much co dependency.

    Can you say Justin Bieber? What a little tool. But just like in Fameis case I try not to judge him too harshly because society did this to both of them.

    And the more we look the other way the more we actually harm them not help them.

  15. Pickgrin Says:

    SPBF – there’s only 1 of us that fails to use their brain before typing – and it sure as hell ain’t me. That leaves you as the idiot poster.

    I would hate to see what you would type if you were not “on board with drafting Fameis” LOL – Your stance on this kid is truly laughable.

    “TWO suspensions – and one of them could have cost his team the conference title” Hahaha – Dude your take is such a joke.

    Get something through your head dumba$$. Not one thing that Winston has ever done would have gotten him suspended from an NFL game.

    If you can’t see that Winston has been raked over the coals by numerous factions of the press in an unprecedented fashion – for things that pale in comparison to what most people have done in College – then I can’t help your sorry, old, stupid butt

    BTW – did you ever figure out what an internet meme was? It was explained to you about 20 times but you still never seemed to get it and continued to think Winston was referring to the rape charge when he yelled out FHRITP. SMH

  16. Barry Says:

    Winston’s got that rapist wit, that’s something that will never change.

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  17. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Do you understand context and pattern. IF ALL he did was yell out that internet meme at the Student Union he wouldn’t have been suspended….the bb guns…the crab legs…taken individually would be small potatoes, but again it’s a pattern.

    Have people piled on! Sure seems that way unless Fameis actually did shave points against Louisville. I btw think that is just piling on and taking advantage of a bad situation.

    But again you notice nobody is making stuff up about Mariota or Hundley or Petty or Grayson.

  18. Luther Says:

    Get it out guys…the best way to get over the rejection is to either talk about it…scream it out…or you can just root for Mariota in Tenn or whoever trades up to get him. It’s ok…we have to get over the fact that he (Winston) will be interviewed by the guy that dogged him for months.

  19. bucs4lyfe Says:


    only reason you can say stupid crap like that is because your a nobody and no one knows who you are except the few people in your small little world. for all we know you could be on the national sex offender registry. that’s why nfl teams and players don’t like you, they only like your money. social media isn’t for everybody…it sucks that your opinion is visible and I cant wait until season starts when it becomes all about football

  20. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Need to polish up your debating skills. Pretty good at name calling but actual debating…uh..not so much.

    “TWO suspensions – and one of them could have cost his team the conference title” Hahaha – Dude your take is such a joke.

    Ha ha my take is a joke. As in untrue. Was he suspended or not. Was one of them ahead of the Clemson game the contest that virtually decided the ACC title or not? Do you EVER deal in facts or not?

    Get something through your head dumba$$. Not one thing that Winston has ever done would have gotten him suspended from an NFL game.

    “Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for six games without pay Wednesday for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy and ordered to undergo behavioral evaluation.

    Commissioner Roger Goodell handed down the punishment a week after prosecutors decided not to charge Roethlisberger in a case involving a 20-year-old college student who accused him of sexually assaulting her in a Georgia nightclub in March.

    Now who is the dumba$$

    You’d be better served by responding with some facts. Name calling is easy.
    Apparently for you facts are not!

  21. WS99 Says:


    2 words for you brother.

    The Roast of Justin Beiber on Comedy Central. Martha Stewart killed it. Lmao. If that does make you feel better than idk.

  22. Idontwannahearitanymore Says:

    You idiots just don’t get it – you say the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over…your comments aren’t going to change anything. Don’t you have something better to do?

  23. Pickgrin Says:

    It’s the PATTERN. The PATTERN I tell ya. The PATTERN of despicable behavior that is such a problem. and the TWO suspensions.

    I’m board with drafting him. I switched from Mariota. But the PATTERN is sooooo concerning.


    So why are the Bucs brass all saying they have no problems with Winston being the face of the franchise?

    Perhaps because they have extensively researched and found that not one thing Winston has done (nor the PATTERN of things he has done) amounts to anything more than a few immature incidences that are no big deal. Perhaps if you had done some research of your own SPBF – instead of spending so much of your time talking out your a$$ – then you wouldn’t come off like such an idiot poster.

  24. MaHaBoNe.D Buc Says:

    you ever think that the character assassination will even be further more blown out weeks before the draft on Fameis? Of course, an NFL team would never spread even more rumors hoping he would get past the Bucs. Naaaah, that never happens….

  25. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    OK Fameis is pretty sure he can take the Bucs to the promised land. He is fearless and many here admire that trait and I get that.

    How about in posters. I’m pretty sure I can handle the vast majority of you. Call me confident of call me an egomaniac…both probably fit! 🙂

    Now here is the challenge for some, certainly not all of you.

    “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
    F. Scott Fitzgerald

    And so there are many of you with a first rate intelligence who can understand that yes I’m for drafting Fameis, that yes most importantly for his own sake as well as the Bucs I hope he gets his life together, and yes I think what he did was beyond stupid, immature and moronic and DESERVES every bit of scrutiny he has brought on himself!

    For some reason those seem to be competing ideas for some of you that you can’t seem to hold in your mind at the same time. And so it’s suggested that I go root for Mariota. Why? I’m a dumba$$ for simply pointing out facts. Why. Those are rhetorical questions btw. Just think about it.

  26. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I missed that but read a review that pretty much confirmed what you said.

    I’ll have to watch the rerun. Thanks for the tip.

  27. ColoradoBuc Says:

    I look back on the immature things I did early in college and see many similarities with Winston. I stayed in school longer, though, and by the time I was a senior, my behavior was greatly improved. I think if posters were to look at their own history, they might not see a spotless record. So why are we so anxious to throw stones at Winston if our houses are made of glass?

  28. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    instead of spending so much of your time talking out your a$$ – then you wouldn’t come off like such an idiot poster.

    Thanks! That truly made my day. LMAO

  29. Pickgrin Says:

    SPBF – the facts are that a loss to Clemson in mid September would have had no bearing whatsoever on FSU winning the ACC title. For you to suggest otherwise (not only suggest but HAMMER that point continually like it actually means something) is why your opinions are a joke.

    Winston was never arrested nor charged with the rape accusation for good reason. The accuser was lying. The police knew she was lying and there are multiple verifiable facts that prove she was lying. You think Goodell would have suspended in a situation like that? WRONG. He would have opened himself up to serious litigation in such a case.

    But I guess you wouldn’t know about that because you have never done the research. On any of it. Unless you call reading the NYT hit piece “research”.

    The Bucs HAVE done their research and they WILL be drafting Jameis Winston. If you were truly “on board” with that – then you wouldn’t continue to post such ridiculousness.

  30. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I don’t think it’s being anxious to throw stones. It’s just pointing out the obvious. Fameis was considered a risk for a reason. All of his life until this moment people have been anxious to make excuses for him. This is a large part of the reason I respond…not to pick on Fameis but the people whose attitudes helped lead him astray to begin with.

    I once worked in a career with a morals clause. If I had messed up bigtime in public I would have been canned.

    Is that a lot of pressure for a 20 year old kid, and combined with blind worship because of his athletic skills it’s hard to handle. I’m all for giving him another chance. I’m not for acting as if he did NOTHING wrong.

    Again I say draft him, and again more than even for the Bucs sake but for human compassion I hope he has learned his lesson.

    BTW this is just the beginning. Fameis is going to be dogged with this until the season starts. I’ve never originated a post describing Fameis behavior but only responded to those who wish to act like it’s nothing.

    The best move in this situation is not to defend his actions but accept them and say…yes he messed up…he’s learned from his lesson and then let it go.

    Just sayin’

  31. bucs4lyfe Says:

    some of you need to reread your posts….it may come across at hate towards glennon when I talk about him and your right, I hate his awful football skills but this nonsense people are putting out here talking about patterns and psychoanalysis is not in your field of expertise. you don’t know the kid and you don’t know who he is but I bet the bucs and a lot of people following him are 100% more informed than you. your stepping out too far. be a fan or don’t be a fan but stop talking like you know anything about the human mind other than your own because your making arguments for why you don’t like him personally which has nothing to do with facts

  32. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Are you suggesting the football pundits across the nation didn’t view Clemson as the major challenge to FSU’s ACC dominance? Especially since it was on the road?

    Are you suggesting that Winston’s accuser was lying but the 20 year old who accused B.R. was not? You realize that just like Fameis B.R. was never charged?

    And again a final question. Perhaps the most important. Where did all this supposed media hate for Fameis come from? Thin air? If that’s the case won’t he be getting more of the same as the face of the Buc’s franchise.

    Nobody here will be old enough to remember the Coasters and Charlie Brown but that song fits Fameis. It was a comedy song btw so dont’ go nucking futs.

    Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
    He’s a clown, that Charlie Brown
    He’s gonna get caught
    Just you wait and see
    (Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me)

  33. tmaxcon Says:

    There is not a single person on this site who could have withstood the scrutiny that Winston has undergone. If there was a serious issue or an “predatory” tendency has some of you scum like barry and the magic potion salesman Erik claim something would have came up by now.

    The young man has kept his nose clear almost a year now. No new incidents! Of course, Jameis is a victim of media injustice. To say otherwise, is denying the clear hack job the NYT and BSPN did not reporting the facts but reporting the liberal agenda. There is no war on women. Where are the retractions? Where are the apologizes They reported the BS point shaving crap with zero solid evidence. The news media is nothing more than a liberal propaganda machine and like all stories they rushed to judgment before getting all the facts. New York Times is not worthy to wrap mullet with much less form an objective opinion on a subject matter, after reading the garbage they publish a person has less facts than when they started reading. The media can not be defended, it’s all about being first, clicks and promoting the liberal agenda. With the internet being first has clearly surpassed being RIGHT!

  34. Yungry Says:

    I can’t wait to see Winston’s 1st picture when he discovers 7th Avenue!

  35. papadoc Says:

    WHAT IF – Say the Bucs do draft Winston and even before the regular season starts one or more civil suits are filed with him as a party, needless to say what the publicity world wide will be for the Bucs. WHAT IF – During the civil actions evidence is revealed that shows the Tallahassee folks have kept hidden for quite sometime evidence that would previously have proved Winston’s guilt. WHAT IF – Suddenly the Bucs #1 draft pick is cuffed and hauled away with his mugshot making the front page of practically every paper in the country. WHAT IF – More women come forward with similar allegations. WHAT IF – Many folks have to visit the emergency room after eating a full coarse meal of crow because we drafted Winston and then the bottom fell out.

  36. tmaxcon Says:

    And before the cry babies get going with the standard rebuttals.. No I do not watch foxnews either. I prefer to get my news sources from reputable foreign publications. I have found its far more accurate looking from the outside in. There is no media in America just made for TV drama

  37. Pickgrin Says:

    papadoc – WHAT IF you were intelligent enough to know the difference between a civil suit and criminal charges – and what the ramifications of losing either would mean….

    And WHAT IF you were familiar enough with the circumstances in the false rape accusation case of Jameis Winston to know that there will be NO CIVIL SUIT against him.

  38. Brawndo, The Thirst Mutilator Says:


    I hope you dropped the mic after that accurate beatdown of the media. It was beautiful and brought a tear to my eye!!

  39. I Get It Says:

    This isn’t a debate about which quarterback is better. This is a morality play and my viewpoint is better than yours!

  40. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    “Most Investigated Player in NFL History”
    it is called smoke….
    as in
    where there is smoke there is fire….
    and when is Jameis going to
    Combust and again

  41. I'm a great person Says:

    Jameis’ own attorney said he was a great person and was ready for the off the field NFL! Oh, wait… He didn’t say that did he?? His own attorney Winston lovers! Go ahead and defend that. You guys are suckers!

  42. Pickgrin Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:

    “TWO suspensions – and one of them could have cost his team the conference title”

    “the Clemson game the contest that virtually decided the ACC title”

    SPBF – Winston was only suspended once in football. Coach Fisher and the school felt extreme outside pressure to “do something” because of all the negative media publicity that was hanging all over Winston at that time (based mostly on the false rape accusation -no less). Winston would NOT have been suspended for yelling out some bad words in public if the media had not already assassinated his character regarding the “rape”. You say TWO times to make it sound worse even though the other incident had nothing to do with football.

    A loss to Clemson in September because Winston didn’t play – would NOT have effected what happened regarding the conference title. FSU with 1 conference loss would have still played Ga Tech with 2 conference losses in the ACC title game.

    So will you Cease with your continually repeated – yet inaccurate statement now? – probably not.

  43. Buccfan37 Says:

    StPeteBucsFan… The Coasters also sang a song everybody here gets to do daily. Yackity Yack, don’t talk back.

  44. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Good one! Either you’re an old dude like me or have a great memory for oldies.

  45. papadoc Says:

    To my friend Pickgrin – If my memory serves me correct as does also the memory of millions of others, Didn’t OJ Simpson get sued in civil court following his not guilty verdict??????? And by the way, many criminal charges are filed as a result of evidence attained from a civil proceeding.

  46. lurker Says:

    for the haters via cbssports:
    Jameis Winston’s attorney: He’s not ready to be an NFL player off-the-field


    as ian beckles said, fire the man if he doesn’t believe in you.

  47. lurker Says:

    he will still be our pick, and then correct pick, at #1.

  48. tmaxcon Says:


    The big difference is the lying b**ch took money to be in a documentary cough cough cough liberal propaganda film. That was her civil lawsuit payday

    You are obviously an attorney, so help me with this. Which one of the 4 stories under oath should she use to file the civil lawsuit with??? Pick a story pick any of the 4 or 5 documented lies she has told. Anyone can file a suite against anyone for any reason.

    Again which of the 4 lies will Winston have to defend himself against?

  49. I'm a great person Says:

    Yes lurker. You’re probably right about Winston being our pick, but let’s all be clear and honest. 1) FSU fanbase carries a lot of weight with the Glazers 2) Winston being immature is something that even his defenders have to admit is very concerning going forward (dont get offended please, we’re all Bucs fans 1st) 3) if this situation with having the #1 was being played out in a Westcoast NFL city it would be overwhelmingly anti-Winston. The only reason he has fanbase that wants him as their franchise QB is because a Florida has the 1st pick. In this case Winston actually lucked out.

  50. Pickgrin Says:

    tmaxcon Says:
    April 10th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
    You are obviously an attorney, so help me with this.

    LOL tmax

  51. Johnny Dejay Says:

    If you guys think the sexual assault allegations are going to fade away after the draft, you’re in for a big surprise. I believe the accusers are just biding their time until Jameis gets his big payday, then they will file civil lawsuits to get their pound of flesh. Jameis isn’t even halfway through dealing with the allegations yet.

    He may be 100% Juicy Juice now, but he’ll be lucky to be 50% Juicy Juice after the spate of lawsuits.

  52. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Bingo !! Johnny Dejay
    and the franchise and town will suffer as a result of the national media barrage….Jameis could buckle under the pressure….and I can only imagine the stuff opposing defenses and fans in the stands will have to say….this ain’t Tallahassee anymore… Jameis

  53. tmaxcon Says:

    JoeJoes Fungi Nails & Johnny Delay

    Please answer the simple question which of the 4 documented lies should she use for lawsuit or should she use the additional lie in the propaganda film. She can only pick one lie for civil suit. Which is your favorite lie.

    Now get a room you fools.

  54. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Winston’s 8=======D in Joe’s mouth = Joe’s Heaven

  55. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    ^^^ LOL…..that ain’t gonna last long ^^^^

  56. tval Says:

    Thats easy st. Peter..”why did they assassinate jameis’s character, instead of other black qbs, or a Samoan?” as only you, im sure, could put it. I think i know why you ignore the character assassination, because you love and breathe it..you are a tmz twitter fan, not a sports fan..heres the answer, if you really want the truth
    because they werent UNDEFEATED, like jameis, ya goofball….the other point is it was easy to pile-on to the obvious proven lies by kinsmann, putting him on the off field radar, after jameis did some silly, immature, but totally harmless things..jameis is going #1, so its best to just get over it or change teams..make sure you get your daughter a jersey after you swallow your pride, or prejudice..:)

  57. papadoc Says:

    Really, she took money for being in the film. Just what hat did you pull that one from. I stand by my original post “WHAT IF” as I’ve seen to many lives hurt over the years because of people resorting back to their old ways following a short stretch of good behavior.

  58. tval Says:

    Sure, jameis didnt have ANY pressure at fsu..does the bottle say every 4, or 6 hours? Hahaha!!

  59. tmaxcon Says:

    It’s a simple question yet no one has answered what lie does she pick for civil suit. With so many to choose I get the difficult choice

  60. tval Says:

    Stop, papadoc..this entire oj comparison, really? Have some d.amn dignity, for once..you guys are pathetic..smdh..do you guys sit at home conjuring up ways to make your dumb jort-wearing friends fall for more of your ridiculous ramblings? Nothing you’ve said is intelligent, groundbreaking, insightful, intuitive or anything remotely worthy of more discussion.. Why do mariota folks, or just anti-jameis gatorboys, go back 2 years on a proven liars 8th version of events, and tell everybody OOOOHHH hes still in twubble? You are worse than females with your bitchy gossip girl nonsense.. after mariota is rumored as drastically sliding down the board, huh??? …hmmmmmmmmm…ill get banned..lol!! forget you maniac racists “what if your daughter” hypothetical bs, if it were my son, and this were his case, id dare one of you sissies to say something to me, at raymond jameis stadium..:) Id load you in a cannon. Hahaha! Enjoy your anonymous exacting, while biting your pickled tongues in public.

  61. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    So they attacked Jameis because his team was undefeated? Does that mean he’s safe now because the odd of the Bucs going undefeated are pretty slim even with St. Jameis at the helm. LMAO

    What a lameass excuse. But perhaps you can google and show us all how QB’s that go undefeated are the targets of media conspiracies to assassinate their character. Boy after you get past the name calling some of you guys really have nothing.

  62. Mariota Joe Says:

    Even his freakin own attorney is throwing red flags now!!! Sheesh people!!! Take your freakin blinders off and look at this person for who he is off the field. HIS OWN ATTORNEY!!!! Now that’s a first in the history of the NFL !!

  63. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Never seen so much defending of a persons character ,or lack of, than all those turning a blind eye to Jameis’s obvious troubled history. We are talking about spending/investing the very FIRST pick in the draft on Jameis and his character is like swiss cheese….and Oh….his has on field question marks too….

  64. jfat Says:

    I want Mariota but the off-field stuff for Jameis is overblown in these parts. The main concern for me is the continual media circus that surrounds the guy. I don’t want to draft a new MRSA basically.

  65. charactermatters Says:

    I keep hearing the New York Times article being labeled as a hit piece. What makes it so? The fact that it brings up points that are inconvenient to the Winston apologists? Is there anything in that article that has been proven to be the fictional imaginations of the writer? The truth is the facts do not prove his innocence or his guilt because not enough facts were collected in a timely manner. If he is innocent a timely investigation could have helped prove that, but the facts are that this was not the case.

    Here’s the most popular counter. –Joe http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/12/24/7446549/patrick-nohe-what-the-new-york-times-isnt-telling-you

  66. lurker Says:

    Joe doesn’t do links. Sorry. Joe stuck the Times counter in the previous comment.–Joe

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    tval… do you see why I’m taking a break now?

    Some these fans are going to come unglued soon if they haven’t already.

    See ya Tuesday everyone!

  68. bucrightoff Says:

    Good guy Mike Freeman lol. You mean the biggest hack in the industry?

  69. Senor Mofo Says:

    I hope that the Bucs’ investigation took a hard look at Winston’s friends. A lot of young athletes make bank, buy a mansion, and then move their entourage steadily closer to them.

    Will Winston surround himself with hangers-on? Or will he have the maturity and fortitude to keep an acceptable distance between old friends and extended family members who, while they might be well-meaning, might ultimately create conflict and drama in his life and drag him down? Is Tampa far enough from Tallahassee, or from Bessemer, AL?

    Chris Casher was with Winston the night of the alleged sexual assault. Chris Casher was with Winston for the pellet gun incident(s). Where will Casher be in the future?

    I don’t personally know Jameis Winston, so I can’t personally judge his character. I don’t even personally know anyone who personally knows Jameis Winston, so I won’t even attempt to judge his character second-hand.

    But his red flags are very public, so you don’t have to know him personally to be concerned. However, all information suggests that Winston is a very focused young man. My big concern is whether he’s the type of person who will answer first and foremost to himself and stay focused on his goals, or whether he will let past loyalties distract him from his focus.

    I trust the Bucs to make that call. Not that I should, but I do, because I have no say in the matter, and because I’m no more qualified to make that call than they are.


  70. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Caught up on some of the threads from last night and Senior Mofo made some excellent points and asked a very pertinent question.

    Will Winston surround himself with hangers-on? Or will he have the maturity and fortitude to keep an acceptable distance between old friends and extended family members who, while they might be well-meaning, might ultimately create conflict and drama in his life and drag him down? Is Tampa far enough from Tallahassee, or from Bessemer, AL?

    Chris Casher was with Winston the night of the alleged sexual assault. Chris Casher was with Winston for the pellet gun incident(s). Where will Casher be in the future?

    And that is critical! Will Casher be in town to take Fameis all Mike Williams like?

    I would add that Fameis father has done him no favors. I’ve never compared Fameis to Cam Newton because I think Fameis is far more talented. But I would compare his father problems.

    Hopefully DB55 and others will be there to reign in any posse that follows Fameis to town. Don’t know who can handle his father but this is a recurring problem with young male celebrities…again read Justin Bieber or Cam Newton, who also have fathers that haven’t done them any favors.

  71. Jack Says:

    Here’s the deal: no one knows if Winston or Mariota will be successful.

    The BUCS will spend about $5m to find out and that is the same price as a backup QB in the league.

    If they pick a QB at #1, and the BUCS suck next year, then you ‘rinse, wash and repeat’. You keep Glennon to take some of the beating if the rookie goes mental.

    The BUCS are not going to climb out of this hole in one year folks….no matter which player is chosen……

    Hopefully, the BUCS ownership is ready for rebuilding drama….and patient…