Best Since Andrew Luck
April 23rd, 2015
So what kind of prospect is Jameis Winston when compared not just to Marcus Mariota, but all quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2011?
One of the NFL’s top analysts took on this subject.
He would be pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-listening, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated, NBC Sports and TheMMQB.com fame.
King found a mysterious working NFL personnel man to reveal secret evaluations. Winston got extremely high marks, ranking second to Andrew Luck.
I asked a high-ranking evaluator from an NFL team that has been in the QB market to do just that. He checked back on the final grades for each of the 12 first-rounders, added Winston and Mariota, then seeded them on the condition of anonymity.
From Luck to Ponder, Team X’s Top 14:
1. Andrew Luck
2. Jameis Winston
3. Robert Griffin III
4. Cam Newton
5. Blaine Gabbert
6. Marcus Mariota
7. Ryan Tannehill
8. Blake Bortles
9. Jake Locker
10. Teddy Bridgewater
11. EJ Manuel
12. Johnny Manziel
13. Brandon Weeden
14. Christian PonderIn case you’re wondering, this isn’t coming from the Buccaneers or the Titans. This team and this evaluator doesn’t have a horse in the Winston/Mariota race. He submitted the list in the interest of debate, with a caveat: The grades span multiple management regimes.
This illustrates why the Bucs should draft Winston. Teams can’t win Super Bowl without strong quarterbacks, and you have to take a shot at the best guy, especially when it’s all a gamble anyway.
Reading this list, Joe’s remembering all the Cam Newton doubters, and how Newton jumped into the NFL after the asinine lockout cost him valuable work in 2011. Newton, coming from a spread offense, went on to an excellent rookie season.
Of course, there are also excellent non-first-round picks from these years, such as Andy Dalton and Russell Wilson.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:39 pm
I want Winston more than the next guy, but having Gabbert that high (surprised he’s on the list anyhow) makes this list completely irrelevant
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:43 pm
Johnny made it there too. Great list.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:46 pm
Joe,
The M&Ms don’t want to know this. It has nothing to do with off field issues. Just found this little gem, winston ran a 5.0 40 right? So how was he able to catch up to a guy who ran the 3rd fastest 100m in ncaa history? Just saying.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/this-could-be-the-play-that-gets-jameis-winston-drafted-no-1
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:48 pm
What an awesome list. Lmao, might as well throw Tebow in there too. Keep dumpster diving.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:52 pm
Luck…while a great college talent…was 1st overall going to a team MUCH MUCH different than L&L Bucaneers. The Colts were a good team for years…then had 1 bad year without Manning (TANKED the season) then Luck started for a team with many established starters…Jameis is going to a BAD team with many holes and many below average talent starters
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm
I’d put Bridgewater above Mariota. The rest of the spread o guys at the bottom of the list. You notice no matter of many facts you show these kids it’s never good enough unless it has to do with crab legs.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Fungi
On offense it’s close. Luck had Hilton and an aging Wayne with no real rb. Winston has Evans with an aging vjax and no real running back. It’s going to boil down to the coaching and how they manage the game.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Ah that’s right, Tebow was drafted in 2010. Otherwise I bet he would’ve been high on this list lol.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:57 pm
Gabbert is on the list because he was drafted in the first round.
And the list is grades coming into the draft, not how they played afterwards.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:57 pm
@Erik the cleaning guy…
Away jersey size XL Men’s.
April 23rd, 2015 at 4:59 pm
That list tells you getting a QB after the 1st round is as easy, or even easier, than it is in the 1st round. Half of that list is mega busts, a few ok players, and Luck. I keep saying it, but I strongly suspect the best QB from this draft won’t be either Jameis or Mariota.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Ws99 – I forgot about that play Licht had on his phone. Awesome play! The fact Licht had it on his phone speaks volumes!
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:08 pm
So IF Winston is the pick we would have the 3rd best QB but still be the bottom of the NFC South?
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:10 pm
@fungi. I’ve had colts season tickets for the past 15 years, well my dad has. And I promise you that the only reason the colts are good is because of Luck. Their DBs played lights out for a few weeks last year. But everyone in Indy knows that the colts never have a good O or D line and the only reason they’ve been successfully was first manning then luck.
I would say the bucs skilled positions are about even to when luck came out. And the bucs D is much better.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:14 pm
Great link WS99.
Ppl you need to understand this list was compiled according to high high these players were thought of at the time of their draft. In retrospect, the list would be very different.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:20 pm
WS99,
That’s heart and hustle. Don’t think the Baby Giraffe could do that and I’m pretty sure Mariota wouldn’t even THINK about doing that.
Great video. I’d forgotten about that play.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:31 pm
Ranking any QB on this list before he has thrown one pass is ignorant..
What a stretch…
Winston Blind Followers you don’t have to troll the internet looking for a story to put him in a positive light.
The one thing you are right about is the Bucs will take him..
You got him…
But all y’all better be right or this ship is the titanic…
Really Winston caught a track guy..Ha Ha..
I saw him run the 40 twice….4.9. 4.9
You have worn out ever excuse for him. Better save some for when he starts playing
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:36 pm
^^^^^This must be the guy who walks with a cane, glasses and a dog. ^^^^
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:42 pm
ATrain is the smartest poster on JBF…
Said NO ONE EVER!
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:43 pm
2. Jameis Winston
3. Robert Griffin III
4. Cam Newton
5. Blaine Gabbert
6. Marcus Mariota
7. Ryan Tannehill
8. Blake Bortles
9. Jake Locker
10. Teddy Bridgewater
11. EJ Manuel
12. Johnny Manziel
13. Brandon Weeden
14. Christian Ponder
From 3 down Winston will be better than all of them…
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:48 pm
@Joe stop posting so much positive things about Jameis. The haters won’t believe it anyways and ALWAYS dispute whatevers said by any “expert”.
It has to be negative in order for them to agree…
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:51 pm
You are!!!!
But dance for the next few months…
I am dying to see your excuses in the middle of the year..
Oh coaches…The line sucks….He’s a rookie needs a year to grow…
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:53 pm
At least he’ll be on the field rather than getting splinters on his but.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:55 pm
It’s scary to see so many complete misses on that list (even scarier to see two of the busts were Florida St QB’s). Take Marioyta and Winston out since they haven’t taken an NFL snap yet and you have 5 confirmed busts (probably two more if you add Manziel and RG III), Bortles struggled a lot as a rookie, and both Newton and Tannehill are statistically mediocre/mid pack guys. Almost looks like the list was compiled by some random football fan who never scouted professionally but did stay at a motel 6 last night.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:56 pm
This is actually Robert Klemko’s work, not Peter King’s. Klemko is a writer for mmqbsi.com
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:56 pm
ATrain,
All rookies need time to grow.
Are you really just a total hater of a Jameis?
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:57 pm
Btw rotf over the “you are!” Im childish too glad to see you don’t have a problem with his maturity.
April 23rd, 2015 at 5:58 pm
“Oh coaches…The line sucks”
ATrain…as of right now. Those aren’t excuses. They’re facts. You’ll have to do a lot better than that for examples…
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:00 pm
List makes sense from a pre draft perspective of course….but ive been wondering…how far back do you have to go (other than luck of course) to find a higher rated pre draft qb prospect?…..i was thinking, maybe stafford?(even then im guessing it would be close)…but if not stafford, then who? Seems like we have to go pretty far back…if anyone has the answer to this id be curious
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:02 pm
lmao at you pessimistic haters. The Colts that Luck inherented were an all star team compared to the Bucs? Are you f*cking kdding me?
Do you know that the Colts may have had a worse O-line than the Bucs last year? They shuffled more starters than any other team.
Who were the all -stars on the 2012 Colts? Aging Reggie Wayne? Aging DEs?
That team is honestly still not much different in talent than the current Bucs on paper. Outside of Luck. THey had no run game last year; bad O-line; limited weapons. Far from elite defense. You people are freaking crazy
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:03 pm
For the 80th time on this site I state it again. Ponder and Manuel SUCKED while at FSU. Yes sucked!
Did Jameis? Nope.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:06 pm
Yes but your beloved Winston will fix it alll
Dave you are a Tool…Please scan all posts for the correct grammar… haha..Tool
Toes on the line you maybe the only one who is not blind…
Follow boys Follow..
Make sure you stay here don’t get lost when Winston head explodes..
87 those examples are as good as this list of QB on here..They are all jokes
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:07 pm
ATrain…so the O-line is stellar huh?
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:08 pm
The Winston supporters will be rooting for the team to do well and succeed while the Mariota fans will hope and cheer for failure. I much rather be a real fan and enjoy the successes understanding there will be growing pains. He’s a good kid, great leader with a huge heart, get on board now & don’t compound your misery.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Actually with any QB from this draft we will still have the 4th best QB in the division. Joe lives that argument. We probably will until Brees retires.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:09 pm
The coaches are great?
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:11 pm
Hey ATrain,
Take my grammar with a long warm sip of STFU!
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:14 pm
Atrain and SuperSam WANT him to fail.
Atrain and SuperSam NEED him to fail.
Atrain and SuperSam will be HAPPY if he fails.
The posts don’t lie…
2 of the best fans Tampa could have. We 1000’s more like them.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:16 pm
In fact they need to sit right behind our bench and tell Winston how much he sucks at every game..
Yes we need 1000’s of more fans like them…
Rooting for failure of their rookie QB so they can be right.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Im of the opinion we should draft winston…but of course its a huge gamble, unfortunately its near impossible to get a good long term franchise w o taking a gamble, i very well know he could be (and far more likely than the next manning or luck) the next weeden, geno, or manuel on the field, but hes worth that gamble if y.ou consider the huge upside….qbs like mariota simply DO NOT make it in the nfl, except for maybe a decent year or 2, and if we havejust a 1/3 chance of getting that next top 10 qb in a bucs uniform until the mid 2020s you ecstaticly turn in that draft card and laugh at the gm who offered you 3 1st round picks…but its a lot easier to sit here as a fan and say it (specially when you dads from spain and the only other team you care about in the only other sport you ever played or watched ever week you watch is fc barcona whos kiiiiiiillllllliiing it! Visca barca!) and hopefully visca bucs franchise qb winston
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:22 pm
I thought the Winstonites said we had to draft Winston because we need to win NOW and can’t wait the year to develop Mariota. Lately, all I see are preparatory statements that suggest, like all rookies, Winston the Savior will have trouble and need time to develop.
Do you even believe any of what you say anymore?
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:23 pm
Tortured,
Dude. A$$Train is going to kill you for your grammatical errors.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:32 pm
Actually that your Boy WS99 job.
Wank Spank 99….
Will change his name to WinstonWLove
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:34 pm
WantstaStayaBuc Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:22 pm
“I thought the Winstonites said we had to draft Winston because we need to win NOW and can’t wait the year to develop Mariota.”
Well you either thought wrong or a have a piss poor memory.
Lovie needs to “win NOW” and can’t afford to wait for Mariota. Winston might not win enough for him, but Mariota sure as hell won;t win anyt games for him while he’s sitting on the bench…
Why does what we have to say matter anymore, when Winston is GOING to BE the pick?
Does it really matter at this point what I think about the kid or what the Bucs think about him?
smh.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:36 pm
Let me throw a snake on the table…and I’m certainly not MGM.
But Mike Glennon is better than some of the QBs on that list.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:37 pm
AssTrain….ooooh name calling now from one of the best Buc fans the team could ever have.
You’re so special you ought to enter yourself in that Olympics thingy they have for special kids like you…
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:38 pm
A$$Train,
“Actually that your Boy WS99 job.”
Pretty sure that is a grammatically incorrect sentence.
You TOOL.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:39 pm
TBBF…I agree and was thinking the same thing about 10 minutes ago.
Certainly better than Manuel, Ponder, Gabbert and Weeden.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:42 pm
Honestly, thats a list i made up and emailed it to Peter King. I told him I was some high powered evaluator for the Colts, but I expect complete anonymity.
My un-named source says….. that’s BS
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:45 pm
The “expert” in this article that ranked RG3 over Cam Instantly lost ALL credibility by ranking RG3 over Cam and Im not a Cam lover
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:53 pm
RGIII was a boss in his rookie year. People seem to forget that. The problem is his head got too big and his knees couldn’t support the weight.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Charlie Campbell at WalterFootball has been saying for months that the Bucs have Winston rated behind Luck…but ahead of Newton, Stafford, and Bradford…and any other prospect in recent memory. I’m not sure if those span multiple managements or if that’s a list of Licht’s rankings or someone else in the front office.
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Dave you are funny..
Not funny haha..
Yes 87 I’ve jump on the Winston train…Since name calling is in the Winston Followers posts …
Pro Ready now Winston..I mean not Now now like now years later..But he is great..
You call yourself a fan and even look at a QB list with two QBs who have never thrown a pro pass….HAHA..
Confirmed Winston is posting on here under 87…
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:58 pm
jfat
Lol, it wasn’t his head. He took off running and got bent and twisted, bye bye career. My fear is that the same will happen to Mariota. I’m watching highlights of him getting sacked and the kid is being manhandled by college players what do you think is going to happen in the NFL. All these scrambling qb have short careers.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:01 pm
Hoping for success for both of these guys. The more I look in to both, the more I like them both. I think at this point I’ll truly be happy with either one and be genuinely excited about the years to come.
I think both of these guys will play this year, and play well, unless they land on a team with an established starting QB or Cleveland. Rookie QBs have excelled recently, regardless of their college system, if they have a coach that works with their strengths.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:04 pm
87
Anyone that’s followed this site has read how Winstonites have repeatedly said we must pick him because he will win now and we can’t wait.
True, the Bucs can wait even if Lovie can’t. Don’t you think the Glazers know that?
What we as fans think matters as much now as it ever has, but that hasn’t stopped your repeated odes of man love to Winston. If you think no one should state their opinion, then lead by example and log off for good.
Again, try to be somewhat logically consistent sometime.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:06 pm
@davepear…grammatical errors are the side effect of posting from a cell phone while running around, sorry!
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:07 pm
@WS99
Hah, yeah, that’s a legit concern. But, RGIII was flat out reckless in his rookie year, the Shannahan boys really ran him in to the dirt in the playoffs too.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:07 pm
ATrain… This is how a specific team graded out the qb prospects since 2011 before any of them played an NFL snap. Fun to read if your a Winston fan, but meaningless in the long run.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:09 pm
A$$Train,
What do you mean I’m funny?
What do you mean?
You mean the way I talk?
What?
Funny how?
What’s funny about it?
I mean funny like a clown?
I amuse you?
I make you laugh?
I’m here to fcking amuse you?
What do you mean?
Funny, funny how?
How am I funny?
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:10 pm
Evening DB. I am not afraid of any of that happening to Mariota unless We take him and start him behind this horrid OL. As long as he goes to a team that will give him 2.5 secs to throw the ball he will be fine. Diff between him and JW was that he only had four plays that he was allowed to call pre-snap. That means he only has three possible audibles. His team was handcuffed to only four possible plays. Im totally ok with JW if he is our pick but MM will be far better than RG3 imo.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Tortured,
I wasn’t being critical of your grammar.
There just happens to be a new Grammar Nazi in our midst.
He goes by the name…A$$Train.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:12 pm
LOLOLOLOL….Thanks for the laugh Dave!! I just had the full picture in my mind.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:14 pm
You know Dave funny
I don’t know funny.
Get the F$%% out of here..
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Joe, I’m really surprised that you didn’t mention Joey Johnston’s article (‘Fire and Ice’) that was in today’s Tampa Tribune. Article was quite good and insightful about both Jameis and Marcus.
There was one quote in there that I couldn’t stop laughing over. Hueytown, Alabama resident Pam Miller doesn’t sound like she’s very high on Winston. To quote her from the article:
“It’s like a runaway train. You know it’s going to wreck, but all you can do is watch. It’s terrible and it’s tragic.”
Obviously Pam’s not Jameis’ #1 fan.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:17 pm
Hey A$$Train,
Blow me!
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:21 pm
No thank you!!!
But Winston may take you up on it. And now we have proof it will be consensual…
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Gatrbuc,
You’re welcome. This A$$Train guy is becoming my new Barry.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:24 pm
-sees fight between Dave Pear and ATrain-
-grabs popcorn-
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:25 pm
A$$Train,
You going to Joe’s party?
Because if you are I might make the trip to meet you in person.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:28 pm
I’m not meeting another man in a bar…Not my thing Sorry
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:34 pm
Pu$$y!
Internet tough guy.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:35 pm
Football wise when you account for the knowledge of the game and arm talent coming out of college, Luck, Manning, and Winston are probably all in the same ball park. This is purely as a prospect coming out of college.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:48 pm
OK Your the Tough Guy you win..
Now your life is complete..
Oh wait it will be complete after the draft.
Relax. It’s a blog…
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:49 pm
@Dick
Do you always find racial denigration so funny? Maybe you didn’t understand the ‘Hueytown resident’s’ motivation of why she didn’t like Winston. Racial tension in AL is nothing new. You should read the article again and notice all the positive things people said who actually worked with the guy.
Like his HS FB coach Scott & Stephens, “He was the most intelligent and talented quarterback I’ve ever been around, I’ve never seen anyone with that kind of football IQ,” Example they gave; Winston began football at age 4, competing against players twice his age. His helmet and pants were too large, but he had no fear. He called his first audible at 7, in a Pop Warner game. At 12, Winston’s handwritten notebook described how to attack a Cover 2 defense.
Another quote from his coaches “His parents held him to an extremely high standard, both athletically and academically,I have no doubts this guy will do what it takes to a great pro.”
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:51 pm
No way should Rg3 be ahead of Cam or even Tanehille or Bridgewater. I knew Rg went way too high. Had he been developed and not thrust in expected to be a superstar, he could’ve been pretty good. And Ponder is no stud but I would take him over Gabbert or Weeden.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Lmao. I love me some JBF!!
Jfat you right shanahan killed that kid by having him run around all day.
Buc what other line will he be behind. Did we get an oline and no one told me? At least with JW the receiver can come back to the huddle and say “hey I see this and that” and JW is knowledgeable enough to understand the chess game and make adjustments. Case in point last year Evans came back to the huddle and told mclown “yo they got a lb covering me” boom next play touchdown.
And some say the huddle don’t matter. Mariota would be like “but there’s a picture of SpongeBob I have to throw the bubble route”. He’d be like “I have to wait for the picture of Kim kardasian to score.” Ha get Kim score , cuz she’s a hoe. Nvrmind.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:58 pm
another opinion from an non expert that is a reporter/writer not a former player. a writer knows how to type on a keyboard.
the former players/coaches are true experts and know how to break down the film. there is an extreme bias on this website to people that only like one player. not fair and unbiased reporting.
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Where is StPete? Haven’t seen him all day. I hope everything’s alright.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:10 pm
A$$Train,
“OK Your the Tough Guy you win..”
Could this possibly another grammatical error by the Grammar Nazi?
Say it ain’t so, Joe.
A$$Clown=TOOL.
It’s as simple as that.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:14 pm
^^^
Possibly be another
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:18 pm
Hey DB you were basically saying the same thing I said. MM only had 4 Choices to call. He was COMPLETELY hamstrung and still excelled. What if he could call his own? Im all for EITHER QB but even Joe’s contact said.
“The NFL executive used the term “ignorant” to describe anyone who doesn’t think Mariota has the skills, smarts and experience to transition very quickly to any NFL offense.”
I want A QB. Whichever the professionals decide is our pick I am ok with.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:25 pm
WantstaStayaBuc Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:04 pm
“87
Anyone that’s followed this site has read how Winstonites have repeatedly said we must pick him because he will win now and we can’t wait.”
I’ve been here loooooong before you I know what’s been said. No one has said we need to win now. Last night you accused me of saying this such thing and you’re full of shyte. I never said that. I said Lovie has no time to wait for Mariota to develop. You can find it yourself to prove me wrong if you like just use google and go and find it until then stop making up BS.
This team is 2-3 years away from being competitive with or with out Rivers or Winston or Mariota.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:27 pm
Look at how pissy these Mariota fans have become….
Whiny little babies.
WantstaStayaBuc <—-made this screen name up so he could come in here and whine about if they take Winston he'll no longer be a fan.
Yep he's one of those fans..
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:34 pm
Which one of you “Winstonites” thinks that will “win now” if we draft Jameis?
Say I. or Nay.
This clown seems to think it’s been said all the time in here….surely some of you will come out the woodwork and tell him that it was never said.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:48 pm
I look forward to this. Never said, right?
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:51 pm
And your name (Buc1987) and your statements suggest that because you have been around sooooooo loooong that your opinion is somehow more important or correct than others.
I bet you posted on this message board in the snow and had to type uphill both ways, but were grateful.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:55 pm
I guess I’m a Winstonite and I say Nay. He’s ahead of mariota in translating to the NFL game but that doesn’t mean he won’t struggle. Both guys will. Winston will have the easier time though. I’m not a huge Mariota fan, but with the right coaches I can see him doing well. Lovie needs to win now, not me. I’m ok with another bad season if it means we’re developing either QB this year for the long haul.GO BUCS!!!
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:58 pm
So now it’s down to this from MM supporters:
Mariota is winning the popularity contest on polls.
Winston is dividing the fans.
Winston fans think he may win games sooner than is realistic.
*My Favorite
A resident in Winston’s hometown doesn’t like him because of his off the field press.
If the Bucs draft JW I’m taking my ball and going home.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:59 pm
Buc1987 Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 6:14 pm
Atrain and SuperSam WANT him to fail.
Atrain and SuperSam NEED him to fail.
Atrain and SuperSam will be HAPPY if he fails.
The posts don’t lie…
2 of the best fans Tampa could have. We 1000’s more like them.
————-
You do realize this is exactly how you and many posters here feel about Glennon, right? You all wished and wanted Glennon to fail rather then see the bucs win. So when and if Winston sucks it up will he get a pass for this because of the oline and coaches failures? You don’t even need to respond cause we all know the answer.
April 23rd, 2015 at 8:59 pm
“port richey george Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 7:58 pm
another opinion from an non expert that is a reporter”
:sigh:
Did you even try to read it before you attack anything that happens to support Winston? Or just because it’s pro Winston, do you just start swinging blindly? The list was made by a high ranking PROFESSIONAL personnel scout. For a quarterback needy NFL team. But not TB or Tennessee.
That’s like….what they get paid to do….for a living. God forbid, he gives the next QB for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers high marks.
Talk about extreme bias.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:00 pm
Hell about a month ago we had gaggles of fans coming in here proclaiming the pick was going to be Mariota and that anyone that thought different was a moron.
They also proclaimed that the Glazers would NEVER make this kid the face of this franchise. Those people slowly disappeared. Perhaps it dawned on their pea brains that it’s going to happen.
2 months ago it was even worse than that. People were claiming that Joe’s too biased towards Winston and it needed to stop. Although it was his site and they had a choice to stay here or leave. Joe repeatedly said he doesn’t like spread option QB’s as his defense for all the Winston love he was giving us, but that wasn’t good enough for them. They thought is was just another Joe loves Johnny situation. I tried to tell them that this has nothing to do with Manziel and Joe. That Manziel was never mocked by any analyst saying that the Bucs were going to take him. Where as Jameis was and by many. I never understood Johnny Watch, but I sure as hell understood Jameis Watch.
3 months ago it was Mr Patrick and I battling back and forth all day long and night. He was so convinced that Winston’s past would prevent them from taking him with first overall pick. Now it appears I was right and he was dead wrong. He went on and on with these long drawn out paragraphs of Winston’s past and all the off the field crap. Like someone we have here now that lives in St Pete. That was 3 months AGO!
What’s changed since then? Well nothing. I said Winston was going to be the pick back then, and I’m still saying it. That doesn’t stop some knucklheads coming in here still claiming that Winston is the scum of the earth or the next Jamarcus, thug, rapist, the next Johnny rehab or whatever…
In the end in 6 days Winston WILL be a Buc. Come to grips with it or jump off the boat. Your opinions about MM will be meaningless, just as they are now. So get them all in while you still can.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:06 pm
I love it when people act like learning the huddle is some monumental hurdle that can’t be overcome by the time pre-season is over. Or learning to hear a call in a helmet instead of looking at a card. By all accounts Mariota is smart, and he’s aware of what he needs to work on and has been working on it.
Same thing as Winston with his throwing mechanics, locking on targets and public image. He gets it.
Neither guy is denying they have work to do and that is what’s important. You can’t improve without acknowledging your weaknesses.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:06 pm
Buc 1987 I beg to differ. I believe the Buccs are poise to win now. My reasoning is my utter belief that last season was a tank job for the WINSton sweepstakes. Much like it has already been reported this teams defence ranked in the top ten in all defensive categories after the bye week last season. Couple that with the fact that they will have a winner with a winners pedigree as the trigger man. The new OC calling plays to attack defenses. Currently their is no film to study of this up coming seasons offense. With the size of his targets along with suspect division along with the fourth easiest schedule in the league. I see no reason why the Buccs don’t compete for the division next season. Sure the O line needs a piece or two both of which I feel will be added before week one. I’m curious as to this notion that the turn around has to take 2 or three years. This team has probowl caliber talent on both sides of the ball. Purple say we have holes,has anyone looked at the holes on other teams in our division? We looking good in comparison.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:09 pm
1st off nobody rooted for Glennon to Fail! They may have thought Freeman or whoever playing would have given the team the best chance to win. Much different than rooting for your team’s QB to fail so you can say I told you so. Do you see the difference?
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:13 pm
“Your opinions about MM will be meaningless, just as they are now. So get them all in while you still can.”
That’s what we’re doing. Unfortunately, I think you’re right 87; the Buc’s are going to take Winston. I am expressing my displeasure.
Rick Stroud summed it up for many of us the other day when he said, at the end of the day there are people who need to like the people that they cheer for. I am one of those people. I think that this is a bad guy. Even if you don’t think any of the things he’s accused of happened, his lying rubs me the wrong way big time. It’s worse for me when I hear Buc’s (Nole?) fans try to somehow explain his behavior away or in some cases pretend that his actions are noble. I don’t want to hear that for the next five years.
As for his game, I hear legitimate criticisms of his play frequently enough that I cannot comprehend the “draft him no matter what because I just want to win” viewpoint.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Jfat, the difference is that mariota didn’t look at the card and call the play. The whole team looked to the cards to get the play. That’s how they can snap the ball so fast. That being said, I’m sure he’ll be able to learn to call plays.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Firethecannons Says:
“You do realize this is exactly how you and many posters here feel about Glennon, right? You all wished and wanted Glennon to fail rather then see the bucs win.”
Wrong. I rooted for Glennon the second he became the starter. I even joined the MGM last season. Why do you people just make stuff up about me?
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:18 pm
I was also the one that wanted Freeman benched after the 3rd week of the season in 2013 no matter how much I liked him.
I said “put the kid in I’ve seen enough”. I was at Glennon’s first start at home and hollered his name from the stands. Saying come on Mikey or let’s go Mikey. I did this at every home game as I had season tickets that year with very good seats close to the field.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Let me make a comparison between the big disappointment the Lightning have been in the playoffs and why we want Winston as Bucs fans. Ben Bishop = Not Clutch. Jameis Winston = Clutch. He’s a regular season hero but disappeared when it matters. Bucs get Winston and let’s see what it’s like to have a closer. A guy that does the opposite of Bishop. That 2nd goal he gave up was absurd. Any goalie in the league makes that stop. Absolutely terrible.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Stamkos…. Not clutch
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:25 pm
Buc you right I did my bad.
Jfat calling plays is a big deal, miss one word and the play is dead or you throw an int. not too mention the kid talks so low you are going to have a head time hearing him in an opposing stadium. Learning the playbook is not easy and it’s not as simple as repeating what they tell you in your ear, I would image.
As for Glennon if people were not rooting for him to fail they certainly weren’t rooting for him to win. Remember the giraffe didn’t get a first down, he’s a serviceable back up. And the while trying to prove that mccown was better. Come on man!!!
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:25 pm
@Buccaneric, yeah Im aware of that. You hit on my point though, these are things that are learnable and it really shouldn’t take that long to pick it up.. The pre-snap is where he needs to focus, its not rocket surgery.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun…I’m in that group too though. In fact I was one of the first ones to say that they are losing on purpose mid-way through the season.
The regulars in here will tell you about how I kept posting the term.
Tanketh for Jameth.
Fans denied that they were tanking, but I wouldn’t listen to them. I saw too many things in games that were dead giveaways. I also don’t think Koenan sucks as much as he did last season…hint hint (cough tank job cough) I alos saw missed tackles that should have never been missed tackles…(cough tank job cough)
What I don’t agree with you on is that all we need is Jameis and the wins will start coming. As much as I believe in this kid, I’m keeping my expectations low for now. He is afterall going to be a just a rookie. I’ve also gotten too excited in too many off seasons only to be let down during the season. I won’t let myself do that anymore.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:32 pm
WS99…I rooted for Glennon last season.
I went so far as to quote a line from Revenge of the Nerds saying : “I think I’m in love with a nerd.”
I never root for any Buc to fail, or I might as well root for the team to fail.
Perhaps there was some fans doing it, I was not one of them though.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:34 pm
I’m not a Jameis Winston fan or a “Winstonite” I’m a Bucs fan.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:37 pm
This is quite a show.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:41 pm
Remember this… he is not a Buc…it’s all in your mind….insane in the membrane!
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:42 pm
I forgot to add the one to the list
I don’t like him (JW) because hes a bad guy because he lied once when he was 19.
My nephew was killed by a young man who was driving recklessly driving fast, 60mph in a 35. So you tell me which of the 2 QBs hold the high moral ground?
I think a lot of these people just don’t like JW because he too uppity. Too many fried chicken, and thug type commits for it not to be true. I remember the same things were said when Doug Williams was here. “We need a ‘real’ QB. It wasn’t just some fans even Culverhouse refuse to pay him more than a starting white NFL QB, 600K.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Here I was back in October…
Buc1987 Says:
October 9th, 2014 at 11:20 am
When you’re constantly staring down 2nd & long, third & long, and it’s not by your own doing…
When you pull the team out of those stupid situations that your team put you in…
I give him a B.
“And a geek shall lead them to the promised land”
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:45 pm
*This illustrates why the Bucs should draft Winston
Yes! A no doubt, solid, concrete, etch-it-in-stone simple decision based on one person’s opinion! An anonymous person to boot! Glazers, Lovie, Licht…have you read this? You’d be fools not to draft Winston based on this “information”.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:45 pm
All I’m saying is last year we argued back and fourth about who’s the better qb. I think the MGM won that battle. I think this year will be no different.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Wow, what a total frikin joke this list is. So who was that high ranking NFL executive, Barney Fife?
Winston couldn’t even carry Luck’s jock. He may sniff it or try to steal it, but couldn’t even carry it
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:46 pm
Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.
We’re so glad you could attend.
Come inside.
Come inside.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:46 pm
Oh yes! I like that one. You and I are no different…we are all sinners. Got it!
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:47 pm
“uppity”? lol. I’m not familiar with the term. But if you mean that race has soemthing to do with it, I wont correct you.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Buc1987 Says:
October 9th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Gibert: “I just wanted to say that I’m a nerd, and I’m here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds. I mean uh, all our lives we’ve been laughed at and made to feel inferior. And tonight, those bastards, they trashed our house. Why? Cause we’re smart? Cause we look different? Well, we’re not. I’m a nerd, and uh, I’m pretty proud of it.”
Nerd power. Go Glennon!
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:52 pm
So I see on NFL.com that Mike Mayock is smashing Winston again
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:52 pm
WS99…I hear what you’re saying man. Because I was part of those battles. First it was Freeman, then it was Glennon. With me always taking the side of who was the starter.
That’s how I’ve always been. I root for whoever’s behind center at the time, not the back up…
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:53 pm
So I see on NFL.com that Mike Mayock is smashing Winston again. Winston doesn’t have him fooled like he does so many others
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Soon the Gypsy Queen.
In a glaze of Vaseline.
Will perform on guillotine.
What a scene.
What a scene.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Film don’t lie.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:56 pm
…so Jameis is behind center…really? And I see dead people…
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:56 pm
I just hope we hit on our Offensive line picks. I think we should go Tackle and Guard in rounds 2 and 3. If one of those is a DE I’ll be ok.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Smart1 Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:52 pm
“So I see on NFL.com that Mike Mayock is smashing Winston again”
Anyway, NFL Network’s Mike Mayock said he didn’t
need to see Gabbert throw in Indianapolis. Based on the tape, he’s a huge fan. Mayock sees four quarterbacks with first-round ability: Gabbert, Auburn’s Cam Newton, Washington’s Jake Locker and Arkansas’ Ryan Mallet, but Gabbert is the only one he viewed as a top-10 pick coming out of the combine.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:58 pm
Not me 87 imma root for the best player period. I’m still in denial that Barron is gone. You can’t sell me that mcdougle or wright is better don’t care lalalalalala.
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:59 pm
I’ll just say this right now, If you dislike Winston, its not because he isn’t a great QB, its for other reasons. That includes you Mayock.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:00 pm
Pat Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 9:56 pm
“…so Jameis is behind center…really? And I see dead people…”
I don’t even know what the hell you mean by that. It has nothing to do with the discussion that we were having at the time. Firethecannons suggested that no one including me supported Glennon and hoped for him to fail. So he sees no problem with rooting for Freeman to fail.
Are we on the same page now? Because I think your in a whole nother book.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:00 pm
So he sees no problem with rooting for WINSTON* to fail.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:01 pm
cmurda
The only time that Winston was ever clutch was when he had to dig the Noles out of a hole that he himself had put them into
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:02 pm
Btw Patsy…your the one that keeps telling us the pick is going to be Mariota anyways…
So I see clueless people….
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Smart1…wrong again….
Winston was clutch against Auburn to win the National Championship or does that escape your mind…
Go back and listen to Mayock explain how great Blaine Gabbert was going to be in the NFL. Then when your done, check who Mayock as mocked to the Bucs.
Jameis Winston.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Performing on a stool.
We’ve a sight to make you drool.
Seven virgins and a mule.
Keep it cool.
Keep it cool.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:05 pm
It may go that way, and what are you going to do if it is true?
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:05 pm
Of course I talk trash about the Blots and they pull off an epic come back win. Suweeeeeeet
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:07 pm
It’s really funny here on JBF that when Mayock says something good about Winston then folks on here say he’a a genius, but when he says something bad about Winston those exact same people say that he’s an idiot. Funny
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:07 pm
Let’s say it together…3…2…1..Go Mariota!
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:08 pm
Bottom line here is, if Winston is our starter and you’re rooting for him to fail, then you’re rooting for the Bucs to fail as well.
It’s as simple as that.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:09 pm
cmurda, Johnson is clutch!
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Smart1 Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:07 pm
“It’s really funny here on JBF that when Mayock says something good about Winston then folks on here say he’a a genius, but when he says something bad about Winston those exact same people say that he’s an idiot. Funny”
You know what’s even more funny? Joe posting positive articles here and there about who said this and that about Jameis. Then people come in here and bash the person that said it or disregard it as meaningless.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:12 pm
87, truer words have never been spoken
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:12 pm
Okay, once the #1 pick is in…we will shake hands…deal?
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:13 pm
If Mariota’s the pick (not going to happen, no way in hell) I’ll root for him to succeed just as much as I would Jameis.
That’s not so with the Winston haters. They’ll root for him to fail.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:14 pm
Wrong. Mayock said that he doesn’t trust Winston ON or OFF the field
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:15 pm
There you go again with the Invisible Man already on the Bucs. (smh).. Good nite!
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:16 pm
Enough fun for me for one night going to watch Vikings. By the way everyone should check out “blackish” on abc Tuesday nights. By far the funniest show on TV.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:17 pm
Ok 87, I was wrong. Those words are truer.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:21 pm
Smart1…yes and Mayock also said about Blaine Gabbert
“The thing I like about the kid is I charted every throw he made in at least six games and (Missouri did) have an intermediate throwing attack,” Mayock said Sunday at the NFL Combine. “So it’s not just under 10 yards like a lot of spreads. He throws the ball in that 11- to 20-yard zone, which, to me, defines an NFL quarterback. I don’t care about the 10-yard throws. I don’t care about the 50-yard throws. Arm strength, to me, is not a 50-yard throw. Arm, strength, to me, is the 18-yard comeback. The 20-yard-dig. In between a window. Anticipating all those linebackers and safeties.”
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:22 pm
We would like it to be known.
That the exhibits that were shown.
Were exclusively are own.
All our own.
All our own.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Like Mayock and all of the other draft experts, they get paid to talk…Don’t believe everything you see on TV. Goodnight fellow Bucs fans.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:25 pm
Has Mayock even put out his mock draft yet or just position rankings where he has been wrong in the past?
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:25 pm
Buc1987
Most of your so called Winston Haters are actually just Buc Lovers who just think that they deserve better than him.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:28 pm
Smart1…you’re wrong.
How does someone have a screen name that starts off with Smart, be so wrong?
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Smart1 Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:14 pm
“Wrong. Mayock said that he doesn’t trust Winston ON or OFF the field”
BTW he’s been saying this for 2 months now this is not some new revelation.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:32 pm
And who was Gabbert’s offensive coordinator who couldn’t turn him into anything? Dirk Koetter. Kind of scary
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:34 pm
Buc1987
Agreed, because he has seen nothing to change his mind
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:38 pm
You’ve got 30 plus mock drafts saying the pick is going to be Winston. All 30 of them are not going to be wrong. They may be wrong about the 4th pick or the 10th pick, but they won’t be wrong about the #1 overall pick. Not when it’s a landslide amongst them. Not going to happen. The writing is on the wall for all to see. If they were all saying it was Mariota this place would be bouncing off the walls with MM supporters. It doesn’t matter what Mayock or Jesus Christ himself says about Winston. He’s going to BE the pick. He was gong to BE the pick 3 months ago. He’ll BE the pick 6 days from now. Nothing’s changed, we still have the same posters in here calling him thug rapist scum bag. Yet nothing’s changed. He’s STILL going to BE the pick.
Will it change after he’ll be the pick and be a Buc. I highly doubt it.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:40 pm
After an exausting night of dinner and socializing with the in-laws it’s time for bed.
Goodnight fellow Bucs fans
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:44 pm
There is strong hatred for this kid on this site and it has very little to do with being a Bucs fan. I’m not one of those race card posters, so that’s not what I’m talking about.
Some of them are Gator fans.
Some of them are dead set that he’s a rapist.
Some of them are actual racists.
Some of them just want Mariota so bad.
Some of them are over the hill and don’t like his character.
Either way there has been some vile stuff hurled at this kid on this site over the past 3 months. It was all pure hatred.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:49 pm
“I’m not a Jameis Winston fan or a “Winstonite”
Ho ho, I beg to differ brother.
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:51 pm
Cry me a river!
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:51 pm
Smart1 Says:
April 23rd, 2015 at 10:01 pm
cmurda
The only time that Winston was ever clutch was when he had to dig the Noles out of a hole that he himself had put them into
So whats the problem with that? Ive been watching Bucs QBs put the whole team in bad situations for a long time now. Are you trying to argue that by putting the team on your back when needed and making the plays necessary for the win, that that is a bad thing?
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:00 pm
Pre-draft i honestly have jameis, rodgers, luck. I was with my buddy, huge gb and favre fan, during the rodgers draft..from 15-22 every pick i kept repeating “no freaking way” we still laugh about this. I told him “you just upgraded at qb” everyone said i was crazy..fast forward now its same with jameis over luck..He also says i was only person to say “i dont care if I have jerry rice in his prime im trading up to #1 for randy moss”. I said same for aaron after watching his game vs uscs great defense at time (clay matthews sitting bench behind maualuga cushing and rivers? iirc) going 24-24 and having last 2 drops that shldve both been tds to win bring him to 24-26 and a loss.”id take aaron #1 overall” .best single college pocket qb performance ive seen alongside jameis debut vs pitt in 20 yrs. My elite radar is pretty good, must say. Warren sapp was probably my next closest prospect last 20 yrs. Now that i think about it i havent been a bad judge of character, either..and imo jameis has less questions, honestly. But sapp and Randy are 1st ballot, or should be
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:01 pm
87,
I’m a Gator alum.
I’m all in for Winston.
It’s as simple as that.
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:11 pm
Saturday August 15, 2015 8:00pm mark it on your calendar.
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:13 pm
Jameis put fsu in a hole vs auburn? Thats just false..or was it jimbo not using towels to cover playcalling? :)..jameis put that team on his shoulders..9-10, 1 rashad drop, 2 tds in 4th quarter, goof troop. What else does a 20 year old, that day, need to do to prove his worth?thats rhetorical, its nothing, and why should any of us care anymore? You winston bashers have 1 week, then im taking the gloves off..:).gonna be so fun though …in all seriousness, id watch that sea level from all of atrain and salty sams salty tears running downstream..roflmao!!
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Bad boys bad boys.
Whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Bad boys bad boys.
Whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:29 pm
Ask yourselves this question noles, canes, and gators..why dont you take more pride in your home state football overall and not just one team? You have 3 juggernauts of the sport, literally, in one state..thats incredible in itself. and whichever is at the top at that time should be praised. As an outsider, from arguably the most historic football state, ive always envied the athleticism of your bigs and the electricity of your playmakers. If you valued this and those teams achievements more in such a competitive state the bucks and tide may not be able to steal so much quality from your backyard. The players rarely have a scuffle in these tense rivalries but ignorant fans have little other than hatred for their in state rivals? Where is the respect? The players dont seem to have a problem in this area, why do you so-called adults? These guys were probably a pen-stroke from being your favorite player and now you must hate a kid for some stupid allegiance to a university you probably didnt even attend. If jameis were a cane or gator id be tickled for him..fyi, kaaya looked very impressive for an absolute child.. If his receivers made a couple catches he cldve been made a cane legend that day.
April 23rd, 2015 at 11:36 pm
If mariota were the pick theyd be negotiating, no question…and testing the jameis camp for leaks early on means this could literally be done deal by now..sorry, haters! . After all theyve done they cant seem insensitive in the last week, even when everyone knows its already jameis..i mean heaven forbid someone gives him an extra cheddar biscuit at red lobster before next thursday. 🙂
April 24th, 2015 at 12:28 am
Lol he has off field issues so it’s just impossible he’s as good as he’s shown everyone he is. Be smarter than that
April 24th, 2015 at 7:16 am
So someone I know posted on FB last night bashing JW regarding the crab leg incident. He seems to hate JW and for whatever reason JW admitting that he had a “hookup” at Publix infuriated him. Soon after that all his friends and especially women were going off on all things Winston. This will be a very large PR battle the Bucs will have to wage. Of course most of the vitriol was regarding the rape accusation. Casual fans have never and will never look deeply into these allegations. They focus on the headlines and they have already tried and convicted him in their own minds.
I wonder if this will give the Bucs pause. They know more about him than all of us and they seem god to go with him. Most of the informed fans on here have done enoug research to know he is not nearly the villain he is painted out to be. My only concern is, will the Bucs worry about all the uninformed fans that will never care to learn the truth about this guy or even assume for a second that npmaybe he didn’t roar this girl.
April 24th, 2015 at 7:18 am
Rape (not roar)
April 24th, 2015 at 7:45 am
Okay personally I am all in on Winston! However, a friend of mine posted on Facebook last night bashing Winston for the crab legs hook up. Soon after there were a bunch of comments from many, including lots of women stating how much they hated Winston. I wonder if all of the vitiol from uninformed fans will give the Bucs pause? Many of these people have already tried and convicted Winston in their own minds. It will be a huge uphill PR battle that the bucs Will have to wage. I don’t think the stain from this accusation will ever go away. I am just curious to see at this point if they are considering going in a different direction. I Think there is a big difference between the two quarterbacks. However, if I was a Glazer it would be a tough decision. Many people will never change their minds on the guy!
April 24th, 2015 at 8:09 am
I have thought that the pick was Winston, but it may have been Mariota the whole time.