An Eli Manning-Drew Bledsoe Comparison

April 3rd, 2015

jameis 1127A guy who coached Eli Manning and Drew Bledsoe thinks about those stud quarterbacks when he watches Jameis Winston.

Joe is talking about longtime offensive guru Kevin Gilbride, now retired after many years calling plays for Manning in New York.

Gilbride voiced plenty of pros and cons on Winston after his Tuesday pro day in Tallahassee.

“The things that I kind of expected to see, the strength, the size, even the leadership the way he handled his teammate were all positive, all good things,” Gilbride said on NBC Sports Network, via “I don’t think the accuracy necessarily was the greatest accuracy I’ve ever seen. The things that would have caused me to pause a little bit, those 5 to 10 yard throws, those swing passes to the back, those throws that have to be so perfect so that the player that catches it can do something with it after he catches it, were not nearly as accurate as he needs to be on a consistent basis.”

Gilbride also said that Winston could improve his footwork in the pocket, and that he has “a little bit of a pitcher’s motion,” and will need to quicken his release at the professional level.

“What bothered me a little bit was when he moved, broke the pocket, he looked very awkward, very uncomfortable, which I was very surprised,” Gilbride said.

He went on to say Winston is “kind of in between” Manning and Bledsoe, citing an arm like Manning’s but accuracy that does not yet compare.

Obviously, those QBs, both No. 1 overall picks, had excellent careers. People forget Bledsoe made four Pro Bowls and went to the Super Bowl leading a pass-happy team.

Bucs fans would be giddy if Winston was as good as either one of those guys.

As for Winston’s shaky passes out of the backfield Gilbride referenced, that should be easily fixable with coaching and repetition. That will be an important part of the Bucs offense, especially if the offensive line returns to its train wreck form of 2014.

190 Responses to “An Eli Manning-Drew Bledsoe Comparison”

  1. Ray Rice Says:

    He reminds me of Big Ben Roethlisberger.

  2. Supersam Says:


  3. WS99 Says:

    No one looks more awkward than Eli yet 2 SB mvps go figure.

  4. Buccfan37 Says:

    I haven’t seen Winston play enough to say what I think about his style of play, but I can’t wait to see him QB the Bucs.

  5. Bucfan4life Says:

    I think Eli is highly overrated. Bledsoe comparison is good but I’m hoping for even better. I’m hoping for a Warren Moon or Big Ben type of QB.

  6. WS99 Says:

    Winner can’t do it by himself we need a defense and a running game.

  7. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Manning blows. A great QB to have in the playoffs, but not one to get you there. Without the 2 rings he would be considered a bust for how bad he has been outside of those two games.

  8. jody Says:

    That second rape allegation is the nail in the coffin. Welcome Mariota with open arms you holes fans.

  9. BigMacAttack Says:

    A QB drated number 1 shouldn’t need to be fixed.

  10. WS99 Says:

    Yea except for those TWO Super Bowls.

  11. TheShaz Says:

    Another Jaboo article Joe?

    Me thinks Joe has the “Winston Bug” worse than the “Johnny Football” bug of last year.

    I don’t mind. I am sold on Jameis Winston as the 1st pick of the 2015 NFL Draft.

    How soon before I can order my #5 Bucs jersey with “CRAB LEGS” on the back?

  12. danati74 Says:

    F*ck Mariota

  13. David Says:

    Report: Jameis Winston expected to face second rape-related accusation!

    BOOOM! Winston Lovers!

  14. David Says:


  15. Sam Says:

    Uh oh….somebody watch out for joe on the skyway….Hope it’s not true…if so no team will touch him

  16. David Says:

    Hey I like Mariota but danati74 wants to F*ck Him lol.

  17. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Reminds me of Jack Thompson….he’ll remind everyone playing behind the “Red Headed Stepchildren” offensive line !

  18. delson Says:

    Eli without the accuracy?

  19. Clint Says:

    He’s going to be a lot better than Bledsoe lol

  20. danati74 Says:

    @ David, Are you 12? Nice one. Nice switching my works around. Your smart for a 12 year old.

  21. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    2nd accuser.

    Not worried, nothing’s changed, and Winston will STILL be the pick.

    Carry on in your reveling…

    If you idiots think this is something L&L have just learned about, then you’re bigger idiots then I first thought.

  22. Joe Says:

    If you idiots think this is something L&L have just learned about, then you’re bigger idiots then I first thought.


    Jimbo Fisher said this week that the ex-CIA/FBI agents NFL teams employ, they can (and do) dig up more than the cops. Wanna know why the Bucs haven’t talked to the original accuser? No need to.

  23. Bird Says:

    Joe. Stand up for your boy. U know its not true. It can’t be true. Winston is everything to you. Please get to the bottom of this and write that this is farce, there are no red flags out there. And I hope you up your Jameis articles tomorrow. Can u write 10 articles just about him. Awesome.

  24. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    BigMacAttack Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    “A QB drated number 1 shouldn’t need to be fixed.”

    A QB drafted #1 shouldn’t be a project either, such as… Mariota comes to mind.

  25. Destinjohnny Says:

    Accurate assessment> i think Mariota is a cross between Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers.

  26. Stanglassman Says:

    Clearly the media machine out to smear the guy realized him image was improving after everyone was getting to know him and this is just a attempt to smear his image again. Haters love to hate and someone people are chasing the ‘ol mighty dollar.
    Welcome to Tampa Jameis, true Buc fans have done their home work and welcome you with open arms!

  27. Bucfan4life Says:

    Wow, where have you guys been. That is something that has been out there for a loooong time and L&L are very aware of this and have been. Just google it guys…Jameis Wimston News. It’s very unclear what happened with her and what she actually says happened. They have done their due diligence on this and you can bet that if they take Winston they are comfortable with everything.

  28. delson Says:

    Hide ur kids hide ur wife n hide ur husbands too cuz everybody gettin raped out here

  29. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Bucfan4life…as well both L&L and the Glazers have said they are comfortable with Jameis being the face of our beloved franchise…

    That was of course AFTER they had already dug into his past…

  30. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    Funny how we always have to compare QBs from college to Pro QBs. I think the labels we give them we give them are extraneous or directly related to what team said Pro QB went to. Big Ben went to a pretty good team. Eli went to an alright team as well. Winston, or Mariota will be coming to a bad team. QB’s rarely look better than their OL plays

  31. danati74 Says:

    @Destinjohnny….so your saying Mariota should be picked in the 2nd round? Probably right. I mean Teddy Bridgewater was picked around last pick in 1st.

  32. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    danati74 …the further Mariota falls the better it is for his career. If I were him and nor concerned about the money aspect, I’d want to fall as far as possible in the 1st round.

    I predict he will fall to at least number 6. If the Jets don’t take him at that point I think it will be a long day for the Mariota. It will be quite telling if he’s still on the board when the Eagles pick and Chip passes on him… some would call it the shock of the draft…but not this someone.

  33. crazy Says:

    I hope he’s fantastic but I fear with expectations as high as they are he’s likely to find himself continually falling short as McNabb did in Philly.

  34. Skyline Crew Says:

    Hahahhahahahahahahh You actually think the would talk to an accuser. Hahahahahahahha. Talk about re-victimization. Wow. That was hilarious. No team is going to talk to an accuser/rape victim.

  35. Skyline Crew Says:

    Eli is overrated. Please no Eli otherwise you can look forward to mediocre QB play.

  36. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Clearly the media machine out to smear the guy realized him image was improving after everyone was getting to know him and this is just a attempt to smear his image again.

    Do you guys understand what a persecution complex is? WHY would they be out to smear him. What is their motivation. Why would they pick out one QB and not another?

    I agree that this is part and parcel of the original story but it’s surely not comforting for those of us who simply refuse to close our eyes and stick out heads in the sand.

    Fameis is on pretty thin ice. Even if he is as pure as the driven snow if there is even one more woman…even a liar…who comes forward it will be a PR disaster.

    I’ve bought the Winstonite view of his talent and so I’m comfortable there. I’ve accepted the EXCUSES for his off field messups. But I gotta be honest I’m kinda scared. Basically poor Fameis has ZERO margin or error and nobody will give him anymore benefit of the doubt. Let’s hope this quiets down. Let’s hope neither of the

  37. danati74 Says:

    @ 87SizeXLCreamsicle! I think he is a great QB/Athlete. He just isn’t worthy of the #1 pick. Maybe last year. Most experts believe he will drop. If he did make to Chip. Chip would grab him. I just don’t think the Bucs grab him #1. Even if Winston had more issues and the Bucs somehow traded out of the #1 spot and picked up Mariota somewhere down the line I would be happy. I won’t lie…I like WINston. I think with the talent we have,..Winston would be perfect. Mariota to the Jets or #6 sounds good. Ideal, but if it didn’t happen your right…he could slip. A lot of DE/OLB early. They go early every draft. Even WR now.

  38. Skyline Crew Says:

    Mariota in top 5. No way he would fall out.

  39. jfat Says:

    Mariota wont get past Houston @16 in the unlikely event he slips out of the top 10.

  40. HarlemBuc Says:

    Man, the more I come here the more I dig you guys… So we’re talking about the 2nd “accusation” already? you guys are on it! I’m gonna wait for the joe post. Not sure of the veracity of the claim or what it possibly means for is going forward…
    And was it Joe who said we get him unless he sticks a knife in his thigh? Please don’t let this be that knife!!!!

  41. Skyline Crew Says:

    You can read an article at BucsNation about it.

  42. danati74 Says:

    Why wouldn’t Mariota drop out of Top 5? Last year Carr, Manziel, and Bridgewater were all highly touted QBs, but all got drafted after 21. Mariota doesn’t come from a pro style offense. Has leadership issues. Calling plays from a huddle. Guy doesn’t have the IT factor. Most teams wouldn’t start him this season. Why would you choose a QB in Top 5, that may not start? Sure take a chance on him…After Top 10.

  43. Skyline Crew Says:

    You’re the first to say leadership issues. Teams love him. High IQ, was rated to go #1 last year had he entered the draft. Skins have said they would take him. Titans seem to like him. Someone will trade up if he doesn’t go #1.

  44. Ricky Bobby Says:

    I just heard from a very reliable source ( Robert 9) that he heard from his people inside OBP that Mariota and Michael Sam are dating.

  45. Ricky Bobby Says:

    I’m just reporting the news that robert 9 told me and as far as I know he has never lied.

  46. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    SPBF, its quite simple. Jameis Winston generates clicks. Clicks generate money. Period.

    There is no second accuser. This is a story concocted by Erica Kinsman when she spoke to an FSU counselor. The counselor then told the story to the NYT. There is no second accuser. There will be no civil trial. No lawyer on the planet would risk their bar license on a cleat chaser who has changed nearly every aspect of her story numerous times.

    Read my lips – there is no second accuser and there will be no civil trial

  47. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @ St Pete.

    There are real motivations to running a negative press campaign on an athlete. It creates drama and gets clicks and serves as a story during the offseason or times when there aren’t many stories. If you haven’t noticed the internet is full of people who gravitate towards negative headlines excited to apply their judgement to other human beings.

    You can also notice a lot of these stories get pushed when there isn’t much else to talk about.

    I trust the front office on their character assessment more than a piece by Sander Phillips. That guy is the one writing for Bucsnation about this 2nd accusor and his narrative is very misleading. For one; there is no second accusor. There is a woman who sought counceling after she had sex with Winston – but we have no idea what for or why. She never suggested she was raped or sexually assaulted. We have no idea outside of that fact why she sought counceling. Philips has also been vocally anti-Winston since the beginning. In general I am dissapointed in a lot of his offseason takes this year.

    None of this changes the fact that the real accusor has been proven incredibly untrustworthy. We’ve already walked through the evidence a lot here so no need to do it again. Proven liar on multiple accounts.

    I’m not saying I know 100% about everything Jameis Winston. I just know that the front offices of NFL teams have been doing insane research and so far nothing has come up.

  48. danati74 Says:

    Definitely not the 1st to talk about his leadership issues. Who said he has a high football IQ? Yes,I also said he could go first overall last year(scroll up). How may QB’s messed up their draft stock staying an extra year? Ofcourse the Skins said they would draft him. They would also take Jameis too. Although I don’t see a big difference in RG3 and Mariota. Titans seem to like him, or could be smoke screen. They also like Mettenberger. If they say they like Mariota, maybe someone would trade to #2, so they can stockpile draft picks. That also makes sense. I like Mariota, I just don’t put him right next to Winston. Someone will trade up if he doesn’t go #1???…. And that is what the Titans would hope for. A lot of teams need a QB, but a lot of experts say this year of QBs isn’t as good as last year, or maybe next year. I guess we will find out soon.

  49. Skyline Crew Says:


    Not sure where you got that Erica concoted the story.

    “A month before the rape accusation became public, the university’s victim advocate learned that a second woman had sought counseling after a sexual encounter with Mr. Winston, according to the prosecutor’s office. The woman did not call it rape — she did not say “no.” But the encounter, not previously reported, “was of such a nature that she felt violated or felt that she needed to seek some type of counseling for her emotions about the experience,” according to Georgia Cappleman, the chief assistant state attorney, who said she had spoken with the advocate but not with the woman.”

    I didn’t see Erica’s name in that. Unless she is the University’s victim advocate.

  50. Skyline Crew Says:

    Mariota is better passer than RG3. also, completely different attitudes. RG3 is all about himself and has had what, 3 knee surgeries now.

    Several people have said Mariota has a high football IQ and were surprised by how much he knew about the teams, their systems, how well he knew the grease board, etc.

    Seriously, I haven’t heard anyone say he has leadership issues. I’ve heard people say they aren’t sure if he’ll be vocal enough, but the people that worked with him and played with him said it isn’t a problem and he is vocal. I wouldn’t call that a leadership issue. If anything I’ve seen him being praised for his leadership. Especially, after we saw a late hit on him in the FSU or OSU game and his o-line almost got in a fight with the defense over it.

  51. Skyline Crew Says:

    So if this year’s QB crop isn’t as good as last year then someone is going to go for Mariota in the Top 5 think they will risk letting him fall so someone can take him. Winston and Mariota aren’t that far apart talent wise.

  52. danati74 Says:

    Ya RG3 had several surgeries from being a running QB in the NFL. Something that may happen to Mariota. As far as leadership. No Mariota won’t get in the face of a receiver who ran the wrong route, or a lineman that didn’t make the block. He is not known as that kind of leader. In the game against OSU, he wasn’t much of a leader as to when he was behind, to rally the troops to try to come back. Once it was over,…it was over. As for being a Buc fan, I rather have Winston under center than Mariota. I would take either at this point. I have heard way much more about Winston having a high football IQ, as Im sure you have too. I do agree thou RG3 is more about himself.

  53. ATrain Says:

    Winston is Coming to Tampa!!!

    Buy his jersey….The Bucs will need the money to move the team. When Winston fails so will this team..only half the stadium was full this year. All the Winston Lovers will run away when he goes down faster than Johnny in a game

  54. Joe Says:

    You can read an article at BucsNation about it.

    Did Jason Cole offer up anything new? Of course he didn’t/couldn’t.

    “Several sources” LOL Couldn’t even get one on the record.

  55. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    “only half the stadium was full this year.”

    1/2 are kidding me? More like 1/4th.

  56. danati74 Says:

    Im glad Skyline that your saying its only because this years crop isn’t as good as last years crop. Thats what I’m thinking. If a team is smart and not reaching….then he would drop….he may drop. Talent wise, they are two different talents.

  57. MM Says:

    Yep no civil trial coming….keep living in the dark cave…

  58. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    It is slightly disturbing how much conjecture and projection many of you participate in and defend every day

  59. Bucfan4life Says:

    So I really am curious about guys like Atrain. I assume you’re a Bucs fan right? Unless so,etching crazy happens in the next 26 days Winston will be a Buc. Will you support him at that time or will you just sit back and hope that he fails? While I don’t want Mariota and think the Bucs would take a defensive player before they would take him, if they did draft him I would cross my fingers and hope for the best.

  60. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Yea, MM the Title IX has absolutely nothing to do with Winston.

    The second she appeared in a movie telling a 20th version, and alleging that she was drugged for the first time ever, a civil suit went out the freaking window.

    There will be no civil trial. Period.

  61. Skyline Crew Says:

    They definitely have two different styles of leadership. One is not better than the other. You obviously prefer the more in your face and yelling one versus the calm reserved approach. I could say Winston didn’t look like much of a leader in the Oregon game by the way he acted on the sidelines. Wasn’t impressed with that. If that is how he handles getting curb stomped in a game he isn’t going to like it much as a Buc then.

    I’ve heard the high IQ thing about both QBs about the same. Winston has a lot of articles about it, but it is typically just about the Manning comparison. Not different people actually saying it.

  62. Dewey Selmon Says:

    I hope folks aren’t looking for a savior. Jameis needs to be just good enuff to compliment Lovie’s defense. 2 years from now look out though.

  63. MadMax Says:

    I could be wrong, but I see bust when watching Mariota. Maybe he can grow into the NFL level. But for now I just dont see it. We’ll see in a few years.

  64. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Skyline Crew Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    “Mariota is better passer than RG3. also, completely different attitudes. RG3 is all about himself and has had what, 3 knee surgeries now.”

    Stay tuned those surgeries are coming Mariota’s way as well…

  65. PRBucFan Says:

    Plain and simple

    BucNation will finally have something to truly be excited about despite whatever things he still has yet to work out in his game.

  66. Skyline Crew Says:


    A lot of us feel that way about Winston as well. Cross our fingers and hope for the best.

  67. ATrain Says:

    I support the Bucs…I am a Bucs Fan…

    Even if they pick Winston.

    But unlike a lot of fans I look at the whole player.
    Winston is not the savior QB they make him out to be.
    No QB can come in with this O line.

    I know a lot of Bucs fans have no patience. The owners made a big mistake starting with firing Gurden ..

    Fans want that fixed today..That won’t happen..

    I am not a Winston fan too many ? With him and too many building him up too high.

    I hope he is great but I don’t think so

  68. Waterboy Says:

    “It’s worth noting that at this point, none of that is the case: there is no second accusation, at least not publicly. But if there does turn out to be a second accusation of rape against Winston, that would be a major problem.”

    So are they hypothetically speaking in that article?

  69. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    Dewey Selmon Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 8:13 pm
    I hope folks aren’t looking for a savior. Jameis needs to be just good enuff to compliment Lovie’s defense. 2 years from now look out though.
    Dewey, judging by your name I would think you have been a fan as long as I have maybe. You should know that most of the fans on this site are too impatient to draft Winston and wait three years to be a contender. Some of em even think that just drafting Winston with our current roster make us an Immediate contender. Im all for Winston but I have been a Bucs fan TOO long to not understand what ‘smoke and mirrors’ means.

  70. Skyline Crew Says:

    87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 8:17 pm
    Skyline Crew Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    “Mariota is better passer than RG3. also, completely different attitudes. RG3 is all about himself and has had what, 3 knee surgeries now.”

    Stay tuned those surgeries are coming Mariota’s way as well…
    Extremely unlikely. Mariota knows how to slide and Mariota never had surgery in college like RG3 did. Also, Manziel and RG3 ran more than Mariota ever did in college.

  71. Skyline Crew Says:

    The 2nd person didn’t claim rape. However, she said that she may testify in a civil suit or be part of one.

  72. cmurda Says:

    We just signed Emmanuel Ogbuehi. Boooooy!! Not familiar with this guy? Neither am I but what a cool ass name.

  73. BoJim Says:

    I think Bucs fans will embrace JW.

  74. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    Even though I’m leaning Winston, Skyline is right. Mariota is Way ahead of Anything Anyone thought RG3 ever was

  75. Waterboy Says:

    Is there even really a second person at all? I looked deep into that a few months back and the source of that information was the NY Times article where they were claiming negligence on the part of the Tallahassee police department. I couldn’t find it anywhere else.

  76. Skyline Crew Says:

    Why did we sign another TE? I guess on the chance that ASJ sits another season.

  77. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Who here thinks the Bucs will be saved by just Winston alone?

    I’ve yet to see anyone say anything remotely close to that over the last 3 months. ANYONE.

    I have seen people saying that many Winston fans think this way though…but none of us do….

    EVERYONE knows the O-line needs fixing….yet somehow we have people on here saying we think Winston is the savior and he’s all we need. I wish they point to someone saying it, instead of making up such BS lies…

  78. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Skyline Crew Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    “Why did we sign another TE? I guess on the chance that ASJ sits another season.”

    Because Winston LOVES his TE’s.

  79. Skyline Crew Says:

    I don’t know how people can think that the #1 draft pick last year if he would have came out would drop to the 20’s this year. That is crazy. He was considered the #1 pick this drafy back in December and now all the sudden he is dropping? Something is wrong there. Nothing changed from December to now. Mariota got better this year and Winston got worse. Yet, for some reason just because Winston played in a so called pro style system that holds more weight? I feel we are going to be in for a big disappointment with this guy. Kind of like riding a bull, cross your fingers and hold on tight.

  80. Skyline Crew Says:

    Waterboy, I posted it up above.

    “A month before the rape accusation became public, the university’s victim advocate learned that a second woman had sought counseling after a sexual encounter with Mr. Winston, according to the prosecutor’s office. The woman did not call it rape — she did not say “no.” But the encounter, not previously reported, “was of such a nature that she felt violated or felt that she needed to seek some type of counseling for her emotions about the experience,” according to Georgia Cappleman, the chief assistant state attorney, who said she had spoken with the advocate but not with the woman.”

  81. jfat Says:

    I guess since Brady, Bradford and Palmer have blown their knees out Winston is a lock for injuries too…RGIII lit the league on fire but he was reckless and tried to do too much, Shanahan didn’t help things either.

  82. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    87, why are you lashing out at what I said? Do you know how many times I have heard ‘paraphrase’ ” Draft JW and we win a SB this or next yr?” Im not even going to go into the other Absurd proclamations made, but you should get the drift. There are alot of misguided people that think that all we need is a QB

  83. Dreambig Says:

    Skyline – exactly what is your point? “she did not say no”? Where is the second victum here? There is nothing in that paragragh you wrote that is indicative of a crime. Maybe he was an ass, maybe he shoplifted the booty when she thought he would call her the next day. Are you insinuating there is a crime here when she said “I didn’t say no”? And what does this Jameis being an insensitive jerk have to do with being an NFL quarterback. In case your clueless …. NOTHING!

  84. Joe Says:

    The woman did not call it rape — she did not say “no.”

    Then there’s no story.

  85. WalkdaPlank Says:

    A lot of people have been calling Winston a savior. A LOT.

  86. Waterboy Says:


    That looks like the quote from the NY Times article.

  87. PRBucFan Says:

    Anyone watch that documentary?

    And any news on Dan C?

  88. Pickgrin Says:

    I can’t believe BucsNation gets away with publishing a hatchet job of a story like that – The headline is so far out of bounds its not even funny. There’s nothing new. There’s no new info – its all 2 years old – yet less than 4 weeks before the draft – someone decides to drag that headline out?

    “Report: Jameis Winston expected to face second rape-related accusation”

    Man that is just the height of irresponsible and negative sensationalistic journalism – right there. and of course the headline once published get picked up by reddit, Yahoo etc etc..

    Pretty Unbelievable. Another round of character assassination just for good measure – based on absolutely nothing.

  89. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I think this is a fair assessment of Winston. It’s also why I prefer Mariota….quicker relase, more athletic, more accurate and fewer turnovers. I think there is room for Winston to get better, but I think Mariota fits better on this team right now.

  90. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    GatorBuc…If I was lashing out at you. I would put your name in front of it.

    Since you’re are one of the ones saying that then. Prove your case. When and who said such silly things?

    What fool thinks all we need is Jameis Winston?

    Who was it, seeing how you say it happens all the time. I live on these pages and have yet to see anyone predicting SB for next season or that he’s the only missing link.

    Now I am lashing out at you, not at first, but you put yourself into the mix, so fire away.

  91. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Doesn’t really sound like potential #1 draft pick characteristics to me, but I guess I just have high standards. Mariota seems like a way better modern-day QB to me, but I guess all u Winstonites like semi-outdated QB styles. SMH.

  92. Skyline Crew Says:

    Dreambig aka idiot,

    I understand reading comprehension is difficult for you. I didn’t write the so called paragraph, that is why there are quotation marks around it. They look like this “”, in case you were wondering. So I have no point. Someone asked about it and I gave them the information.

  93. Erik the WiseMMan Says:


    U can pretty much go ahead and purchase my Mariota jersey now.

  94. Skyline Crew Says:

    Waterboy, the website does reference the NYtimes when posting the article so maybe it is. From reading it I would agree probably not rape, but the part about her getting counseling over the fact is what seems troubling. So she just may be there to testify about her interaction with Winston in order to help out Erica. Then again she could be part of a civil suit as well. Don’t know. The media could do better by not posting a headline like “2nd accuser comes forward” type thing, but as we all know from being here sensational headlines get the clicks, right Joe.

  95. MadMax Says:


    The #1 last year, Clowney, blew up all over tv and utube because of a TE who missed his assignment (blocking Clowney because they figured it out that a TE could block him since he gets winded so quickly).

    Im a Gamecock and I loved watching Clowney in that play, and seeing it played over and over again (especially after that BS ref call beforehand). But I knew he would be a bust as #1 overall status.

  96. MadMax Says:

    @”Erik the guy with no life”


  97. Luther Says:

    Mariota will need to cut his teeth in QB Romper Room…dude’s not ready yet and will need another 2 years to put some bass in his huddle voice. Lovie and Licht may fired by that time. No way they draft Mariota.

  98. Pickgrin Says:

    Comparing Winston to Eli is actually a bit of an insult. Payton – I can see that. Bledsoe? I hadn’t thought of that – but I guess so – he was Big and strong and an accurate pocket passer. I think Winston moves better than Bledsoe did though.

    I still think Roethlisberger is the best comparison.

  99. Skyline Crew Says:

    They were predicting that Houston would have taken Mariota #1 last year.

    Agreed on Clowney, never thought he was anything special. Was always just one play and then the whole I don’t want to play because I could get hurt rubbed me the wrong way as well.

  100. MadMax Says:


    Yup, and dont be surprised if the Cowboys move up for Mariota. Im just feeling that could happen. As long as we have Winston though, its all good.

  101. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    Hey bro, I am not here to fight with you. Ive been chatting with you for a couple yrs now. I am merely stating fact and you are asking me to back up my statements by going back in to posts and Proving it?
    Just take a couple of your statements in paraphrase:
    “Jameis Winston is better than Andrew Luck, Yup that’s right I said it”
    I Guarantee JW will not get in trouble ever again!”
    I am all for Winston, I for one think his INTs are merely a by-product of his confidence and that he will be better at the Pro Level but SOME people knock me when I bring up a Rational thought process that might expose a negative…..smh

  102. charactermatters Says:

    several people over the last couple of months have made statements like draft Winston = playoffs next year. Maybe not you, but several others have.

  103. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    And why would you put me in the ” mix” and lash out at me man.? Im a lover not a fighter anymore.

  104. unbelievable Says:

    I’m guessing he prob had his buddies videotaping it, and when she found out she felt violated, so she went to talk to someone.

  105. charactermatters Says:

    And Andrew Luck’s college coach says MM is a combination of Luck and RG3.

  106. grafikdetail Says:

    @skyline almost every year highly rated QBs drop at the draft for whatever reason… every team in the top 15 except the bucs has a viable option at QB and/or high round QB investment that they may not be ready to scrap yet or have bigger immediate needs… if the Titans are really OK with Mettenberger (which i doubt) and can’t find a trade partner… he could drop! J’ville & Oakland are out; Wash & NYJ: are they really ready to trash their top picks this soon? chicago should think hard about it! MM & Trestman could be a dangerous marriage plus he could sit behind cutler & learn before being thrown into the fire; i hope for his sake Cle passes on him twice; ATL & NYG out of the question; STL could be an option; Minn, KC, Cincy, N.O., Mia, SF, GB, Car, Indy, Bal, N.E., Den, Sea aren’t in the market for a QB… i’d love to see MM land in Chicago, Houston, or Philly! scary!!

    you’re uncomfortable with winston but totally fine with a guy with who didn’t play in a pro style system at all that isn’t as accurate or demonstrated he can throw with the anticipation or touch as well as winston has… um… ok just go ahead admit you don’t like JW personally lol

  107. charactermatters Says:

    stop repeating what you have heard others say and investigate for yourself. Adding hyperbole to a second hand argument only perpetuates falsehoods.

  108. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    I agree with Andrew Luck’s college coach that Mariota is a combination of Luck & RGIII…. That seems like a much stronger comparison than Eli & Bledsoe.

  109. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    charactermatters….none have. Find them in the archives. It’s easy to find if you try instead of just saying people have been saying, when they have not.

    @Erik…keep dreaming. He’s already been vetted and they already know about the 2nd person while they said we feel comfortable with him being the face of the franchise. This is not some new revelation. Perhaps for you it is, but not the Glazers, Lovie or Licht or me for that matter.

  110. Pickgrin Says:

    grafikdetail Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 9:48 pm
    “@skyline just go ahead admit you don’t like JW personally”

    Yea – that’s a given in case you are new here….

  111. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    charactermatters Says:
    April 3rd, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    several people over the last couple of months have made statements like draft Winston = playoffs next year. Maybe not you, but several others have.”

    Find them or stfu.

  112. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    If there is “several” others. They won’t be hard to find. Remember research for yourself…that’s one of YOUR favorite lines. So go for it.

  113. Skyline Crew Says:

    I think Mariota is just as accurate as Winston. Touch is about the same. Anticipation may not be the same, but I wouldn’t chose a QB just because of that. The whole pro style thing doesn’t bother me at well. Mariota’s high IQ and ability to adjust and learn quickly negates all that.

    Also, to say that N.O. and DEN aren’t in the market is crazy. Manning has maybe a year left. Also, N.O. has talked extensively about finding someone to replace Brees later on. Also not sure about Carolina as they can’t agree on a new contract for Newton.

    I prefer Mariota’s skill set over Winston’s. Personally I don’t know Winston so I can’t say don’t like Jaboo personally. I don’t like his character or his leadership style.

  114. grafikdetail Says:

    i actually had NO & Denver in my possible list but didn’t want bore you with my stupid list LOL

    1. Arizona Cardinals
    2. Buffalo Bills
    3. Houston Texans
    4. Tampa

    1. Atlanta Falcons
    2. Baltimore Ravens
    3. San Francisco 49ers
    4. Seattle Seahawks
    5. Pittsburgh Steelers
    6. New York Giants
    7. Indianapolis Colts
    8. Jacksonville Jaguars
    9. Kansas City Chiefs
    10. Miami Dolphins
    11. Oakland Raiders
    12. Cincinnati Bengals
    13. Carolina Panthers
    14. Detroit Lions
    15. Green Bay Packers
    16. Dallas Cowboys
    17. Minnesota Vikings

    1. New England Patriots
    2. New Orleans Saints
    3. Denver Broncos
    4. Cleveland Browns
    5. Chicago Bears
    6. Philadelphia Eagles
    7. New York Jets
    8. Washington Redskins

  115. grafikdetail Says:

    also denver has a 2nd round pick invested in QB Brock Osweiler & are high on him

  116. danati74 Says:

    @ Erik the WiseMMan, I guess I can agree with Chris Simms when he says that Jameis Winston made more WOW throws in college than Andrew Luck. I guess that makes him better than all of them. Most experts say Winston is the best QB to come out since Andrew Luck. Hmm give me Winston.

  117. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    It’s not very hard ya know…just use google and you should find “several” fans saying Winston will lead us to playoffs next year..

    But you won’t find any…

  118. Joe Says:

    The media could do better by not posting a headline like “2nd accuser comes forward” type thing, but as we all know from being here sensational headlines get the clicks, right Joe.

    Tread lightly, pal.

  119. MadMax Says:

    I’ll go ahead and say it now….as long as we improve our O line and get an effective DE pass rush, and get a speedy tackiling Safety…and get a returner….Winston SAVES us! LOL!

    And Reality!!! Alrighty then, this Winstonite (me) knows better.

    But the slow train is coming, and its building speed 😉

  120. grafikdetail Says:

    if JW can do for the Bucs what Newton did for the Panthers we’re in a lot better shape as far a relevance & contending for the playoffs again…but that’s a dream that’s very dependent on L&L fielding a top notch defense

  121. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Max…see that’s what I’m talking about. You listed several other things that have to happen for Winston to lead us to the playoffs next season. O-line is a major problem. DE’s is a major problem.

  122. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    “Jameis Winston is better than Andrew Luck, Yup that’s right I said it”

    “I Guarantee JW will not get in trouble ever again!”

    GatorBuc…this has noting to do with saying Winston will lead us to playoffs next year or that he is all this team needs…

    I googled for it. I can’t find ANYONE that has said anything remotely close to saying Winston is all we need.

    I can however find plenty of people saying us Winston fans think he’s going to be our savior next season. Which simply is not true.

    I live on this site, do I not? If I saw someone saying it, I think I’d remember it.

  123. grafikdetail Says:

    but Andrew Luck’s former college coach actually offered Winston a scholarship… LOL he missed on MM… and i will say this about MM coming out of high school he was only a 3-star prospect… that says a lot about him to work his way into a potential #1 draft pick… Winston was a 5-star prospect & was expected to perform well & projected be a NFL prospect

  124. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Second accused? Do you even care where you get your news. Why would you even click on those links unless your hunting for rumors and speculation. Get back to me when there’s a real source

  125. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Yet Mariota will be sitting on some teams bench next season while Winston is starting….and some people on this site think Mariota is the better QB.

    If that scenario plays out…then how the hell is Mariota the better QB if he needs more time to learn than Winston.

    I know Skyline thinks Mariota can start right away. So if he does so be it, if he doesn’t though….Winston is clearly the better QB and you can’t debate that.

  126. MadMax Says:

    @87, Man I cant tell you how much Im loving Light’s decision making lately. He’s no Duminik! Im impressed! He’s actually doing it….cutting the dead weight! And its about friggin time.

    It’ll take a year or two, but things are looking up.

    a slow train

  127. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Damn you people are going to give me another ulcer I just know it!

  128. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Ok. I will bet anyone anything they can come up with that MM gets more wins Year 1 than Winston.

  129. WS99 Says:

    maybe he’s sticking it in the wrong hole and they’re like no don’t stop. #disturbed

  130. MadMax Says:

    Just let it slide 87……its gonna be egg on their face when Jameis is announced as our #1 overall.

    I just hope we draft some O line with our 2nd to help protect him.

  131. MadMax Says:

    @Erik, he’ll probably go to the Jets……LOL you’re on!

  132. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Deep breathing helps Max.

  133. danati74 Says:

    Erik the WiseMMan $100

  134. MadMax Says:

    The bet is you have to dress up in a pink tutu and sing “you make me feel like a natural woman”


  135. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Ironically, the things Winston sucks at? They are the things Mariota does to perfection.

    But, it doesn’t matter, because everyone wants the bust.

  136. Dreambig Says:

    skyline – at least have the balls to stand up for the posts that you make. You keep posting like there is a second victim. your are implying that Winston raped a second victim and you know you are. You posted in your response that you were just copying another artical and that you had no point. What a fricking worthless coward you are. You are obviously trying to a point that there is controversy to come. Man up and own up to it.

  137. danati74 Says:

    Mariota is the bust. That is why he was a #1 pick consideration, than dropping down mock drafts. Mariota makes fast accurate passes to his first read. That is all he had to do. Unless he scrambled. Winston knew how to stay in the pocket and go thru all his reads.

  138. vancity bucs fan Says:

    Have Eli Manning and Drew Bledsoe been raping women? This guys a disaster, red flag central

  139. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:


    Look everyone stop betting with Erik…..he’s not going to have enough money to buy me my jersey…

    Stop it, I’m getting nervous here.

  140. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    MadMax Says
    “@87, Man I cant tell you how much Im loving Light’s decision making lately. He’s no Duminik! Im impressed! He’s actually doing it….cutting the dead weight! And its about friggin time.

    It’ll take a year or two, but things are looking up.”

    Because his record with late round picks (which is all he ever acquires because he SUCKS at trades) is so freaking fantastic.

    Get this straight people…only ONE pick from last year out of six has worked out so far. 1 of 6.

    Rounds 5-7 were wasted picks.
    Round 3 was one a position we did not need and he was injured most of the year.
    Round 2 was a TE who under performed.
    Round 1 was on a WR that seems to have worked out, but may still turn out to be the one year wonder we are used to seeing in Tampa. But we’ll count him as the one success so far.

    Or maybe it was his Free Agency, where he spent a fortune, but only the CB and a WR really worked out, and the WR was not even a starter.

    Yeah, it’ll take a lot longer than a “couple” years, pal.

  141. vancity bucs fan Says:

    Its not rape if she moans, right??? This Winston guys gonna be a disaster

  142. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Yes Bonzai and Mariota will excel so much he will be riding the pine all season in NY behind Geno.

  143. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    at one good draft pick a year, it will only take us 11 more years to fill the holes he’s created.

  144. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Licht hasn’t done anything yet. Nothing but addition by subtraction (Johnson, Collins, Clayborn, Hawk) and depth signings (Conte, Melton, that new TE, etc.). Carter is the only one that will probably get a starting job, and he’s no slam dunk.

    No starters signed, no trades for starting quality, nothing. The worst O-line in the game and not a single move. Only so many draft picks. And yes I know there will be the 2nd free agency dinner bell after the draft but who the hell wants sloppy seconds?

  145. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Carter is injury prone, don’t forget that. I was fine with him as a backup because he might actually make it through a season as a backup.

    But not as a starter.

  146. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai …how is it that you have the ability to grade Licht’s first draft after only one season of play?

    How do you know those players will be busts after only one season?

  147. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    And Winston may well be wearing a trustee uniform for part of the season.

  148. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Bonzai…on what charges?

  149. WalkdaPlank Says:

    So far Licht has gotten fleeced on just about every trade made.

    Barron (jury still out)
    And now Hawk (you seriously had to give up a player AND a draft pick for a lousy 6th round pick that’s not even for THIS YEAR???)

  150. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Bonzai …how is it that you have the ability to grade Licht’s first draft after only one season of play?

    How do you know those players will be busts after only one season?

  151. J Says:

    I remember another guy to wear #5 to struggle with those 5-10 yard passes….

    Also, his leadership when the game is lost leaves much to be desired.

    “Calm the F**K down or I’m going to bench you.

  152. MadMax Says:

    @Bonzai, hey catch up buddy 😉 I was talking about his willingness to cut the current slag. He’s had 1 year only. Lets give him at least a little time.

  153. J Says:

    The Bucs would be right to sit Jameis too. Or he’ll wind up like David Carr

  154. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock

    Bonzai….How do you know those players that were drafted by Licht will be busts after only one season?

  155. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    Nevermind you answered this way on the poll thread when I ask you the same question this afternoon.

    “Only 1 of 6 of his picks as of right now, have proven anything, so after the one year mark, his grade is a FREAKING F. That might change in the next year or so, but until it does change for his 2014 picks, that’s what he gets.”

  156. 87SizeXLCreamsicle! Says:

    MadMax…give Licht more time? No way Bonzai was railing about him 2-3 months into his job….1 year is surely enough time to him.

  157. RealkillersmoveinSilence Says:

    Leadership issues that mariota supposedly has don’t exist no way in hell if he couldn’t lead he would have been the starter for 3 seasons

  158. J Says:

    Winston’s Favorite Dessert?


  159. Andrew 1 Says:

    Unfortunately it looks like Winston will have to get a signature for permission from whoever he wants to sleep with from now on. A second accuser? this is getting ridicules.

  160. MadMax Says:

    Its a Bucs life!

    We cant even land a #1 overall pick w/o a bunch of NEGATIVE BS!!

    Oh well, haters gonna hate. ……more tasty while we’re winning and they’re choking!

  161. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    Thanks, but I can afford it (in the slim chance that I’m wrong).

    You’re on. $100 it is…..

    And my personal contact info is on my website, so u know I’m not bullspitting….

    For the record, I NEVER skip out on bets.

    I believe Mariota will be the Bucs QB and we will win more than whoever picks Winston the bust waiting to happen.

  162. MadMax Says:

    Aww! no pink tutu videos?

  163. danati74 Says:

    Sounds good Erik. I believe the Bucs will pick Winston and win more games than Mariota. Who will be drafted and sit behind someone, and won’t win any games due to sitting. Unless they throw him in at the end of the season, by then it will be too late.

  164. delson Says:

    Mariota has gotten comparisons to aaron rogers. Hey wtf do u want roethlisberger? Or aaron rogers? Let mariota develop into a pro style qb. Dirk koetter could prove his worth as a top offensive guy that he was in atl. Jameis’ baggage is insane! U think a cleat chaser from college is bad wait till gets that fat diamond earing in his ear. When mariota is ready a year or maybe 2 years from now we will have a competent o line plus an experienced defense. Glennon has 2 years left I believe. Even if we sit winston so he can learn how to be a leader that would be the better for the franchise.

  165. Luther Says:

    Wow, I want a jersey too…now I’m feeling left out.

  166. Dreambig Says:

    J – holly crap that was funny.

  167. WS99 Says:

    Mariota = Alex Smith

  168. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    Hey DB, Alex Smith had 6 different HC’s in his first 7 yrs.
    Why would you wish that on Mariota?

  169. UF Alum that likes a few Noles here. Says:

    Sorry……..Meant OC’s

  170. PRBucFan Says:

    Lol smh

  171. Luther Says:

    Alex Smith had 7 coaches because he sucked. Alex Smith is not the victim,his coaches were.

  172. White Tiger Says:

    I’ve said it before, I;ll say it again…

    Drafting Fameis Jameis will be talking our team: “Back, to the Future”…

    (I don’t think it means what you think it means…)

  173. MadMax Says:

    Yo, lay off the white stuff there tiger…, maybe stick to yellow pepsi instead 😉

  174. tval Says:

    These aaron rodgers, even russell comparisons to mariota are hysterical..russell is literally a shorter, weaker armed, crappier pitcher (accuracy?) with more quickness. Pete and mike wouldnt miss a beat with jameis but they may never make the playoffs again with mariota..aaron and russell could only be compared to jameis, from the two. Any other reach is just that, a reach. Mariota never played in their styles, ran play action under center, made adjustments, called audibles, went through more than 1 guys seriously have no idea do you? Wow!!! Go slobber over a misinformed mayock article. 🙂

  175. tval Says:

    And this skyline and eric are both absolutely insane..former cia and fbi investigators clear jameis (x32) but lets trust an anonymous source from proven biased outlet like nytimes outlet..they lost their credibility in this case, like you two….take your lithium, guys, really..i mean, 20 anti-winston posts on every jameis article shows you’re obsessive compulsive amongst other worrisome real ‘red flags’..funny, you criticize jameis off the field, but id be more worried about your family when he wins a super bowl..thats not a joke, sir.

  176. Skyline Crew Says:

    Dream big, reading comprehension. That’s all I got to say.

  177. RustyRhinos Says:

    Hey 87….. “Yet Mariota will be sitting on some teams bench next season while Winston is starting”
    Are you clairvoyant? How do claim to know the future? Just so you know where I am coming from. Exactly how many NFL players get injured every season? Exactly how many NFL rookies need a period of time adjusting to playing in the NFL?

    You have changed your name her so many times it makes me laugh. I’ve been using the same name here since I first found Joes big slice of buc news heaven. Been commenting for good causes and bad ones. I try to never predict the future of any new player in the NFL. Because NFL stands for Not For Long Just like Mr Glanville said. Not for long like your name here if we do not draft who you think we will.

    By the way can you help a brother out and use your clairvclairvoyance skills to hook me up with the next 5 sets of winning lottery numbers. I will buy you as many XL jerseys of whom ever you want. That’s a promise.

    Go Bucs!

  178. P'cola Buc Says:

    I believe that Mariota is the better athlete….however other considerations are necessary to translate into being a successful NFL quarterback. I honesty feel he will be uncomfortable leading an NFL team. He is not only introverted….but excessively so. There will pressure on him to be at least a little more outgoing to confidently lead the huddle, call audibles. Many gifted athletes are encouraged as children to get into organized sports to help them be more confident, social and less shy…some succeed others stay very introverted. I believe the learning curve will be very challenging …..It really is a shame that he is seen with Winston where the personalities could be compared/contrasted…Maybe the biggest shame would be if he has to make these adjustments in NYC as a Jet. NYC may not be the best fit for this gifted athlete. Best case scenario would be of course for him to land with Chip Kelly, who will undoubtably be able to get the most out this man.

  179. P'cola Buc Says:

    @ RustyRhinos

    No one who posts here knows for sure what will happen. It seems that the wait for draft day is so long…we all try to fill in the blanks.Who knows…the Bucs might end up drafting Mariota, or trading down or drafting Williams. As for 87, he may change his name a lot on here but chooses names that we still know it is him. Often his play on his chosen name is very clever, trying to be humorous or make his point. I for one enjoy reading his posts often for this reason alone. (Of course it helps that I agree with his point of view a lot)

  180. Skyline Crew Says:

    Tval, your thoughts on Mariota are laughable. Everything you said was false or a straight out lie.

  181. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    Winston is nothing like Big Ben. Heck, the very same thing was said of Josh Freeman. The only similarity is the rape charges between Winston and Ben. Winston is nowhere near as mobile as Ben either…and Ben isn’t even that mobile anymore.

    Jameis Winston should be nothing like any QB who every played. He should be unique so that other QBs are compared to a good way.

  182. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Tval, that has got to be the most ignorant claim I have ever seen here, and with 87 around, that’s saying a lot.

    (gotcha 87!) 😉

  183. BoltIsle Says:

    Skyline Crew says “I prefer Mariota’s skill set over Winston’s. Personally I don’t know Winston so I can’t say don’t like Jaboo personally. I don’t like his character or his leadership style.”
    Kudos for at least admitting you’re judgmental without gathering all the facts. More than a lot of judges posting on here will admit.

  184. JFF Says:

    Winston’s closest comparison is Byron Leftwich.

    It’s gonna get ugly when people finally realize all the (on-field) flaws this kid has as they get exposed at the pro level.

  185. Dreambig Says:

    Skyline, your right. Somehow my reading comprehension must be compromised. I thought Joe wrote an artical comparing Eli, Bledsoe and Winston. You would expect rational readers to comment on the topic at hand. I guess that’s just me. Maybe it’s better when a few trolls hijack the thread to start implying people are guilty of crimes that we never committed.

  186. Dreambig Says:


  187. Skyline Crew Says:

    Dream big,

    I’m not implying anything. In fact I even said she didn’t claim rape. I was answering another person question about a possible second accuser. So again reading comprehension. Or at least read everything before you post ignorant crap.

  188. Skyline Crew Says:

    Bolt. I have all the facts I need. Don’t like his character. Sure he could mature, but right now…nope.

  189. MM Says:

    SInce none of you are working in the legal community and dont quite understand how civil lawsuits are started and settled, let me inform you that Jameis Winston will be served to have a civil trial this Summer and it will conclude with him settling the case for an undisclosed amount before the season starts. His attorney will tell him it will be in the best interest of his career.

    Banana hammock title 9 has nothing to do with civil court. Your talking apples and bananas. In your case Creamsicle colored.

  190. FreeTheHardMolly Says:

    Why do my comments need moderation blow? Id worry more about your ever dying viewer content and lack of readers than my screen name and comments..chances are the public wont see this comment because youre so draconian like your best friend in the white house.

    I said blow lmao