Passive-Aggressive Marcus Mariota?

March 16th, 2015


Yes, Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota is in the building. Not your building. Not Joe’s building. But One Buc Palace.

Mariota is going through the motions of his visit, meeting with general manager Jason Licht and, per pictures and video, offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter and quarterback coach Mike Bajakian.

In an interview with multimedia maven Scott Smith, Mariota had an interesting answer to possibly being drafted No. 1 overall by the Bucs.

“Being the first pick, to me it’s not a huge thing,” he said. “I’d love to play for the Bucs. With that being said, if you find the team that wants you, that’s going to be the right team. I look forward to marketing myself and finding that team.”

This is interesting in several ways. First, Mariota — you can see the video here clearly doesn’t care if he is the No. 1 player in the draft (but twice said he’d love to play for the Bucs).

Winston all but drooled when asked the same question. Winston clearly wants that label.

Does Mariota know something we don’t? Of is that just Mariota’s care-free, laid-back Hawaiian demeanor?

113 Responses to “Passive-Aggressive Marcus Mariota?”

  1. HarlemBuc Says:

    It’s called being a p_$$¥ buds fans!!!! And our coaching staff has been infected as well… Do you want to win super bows or sportsmanship contests?!

  2. HarlemBuc Says:

    Let’s not pick Jamie’s and the kraken and then let’s re shine our one and only Super Bowl trophy

  3. jabba Says:

    honestly, to me it seemed like he didnt care one bit about being a buc…
    winston, however, seemed ecstatic about the idea of rocking red & pewter.
    on top of that i dont believe that mariota fits what we have here already one bit. he’s more of a short pass, qb keeper type of guy, which we couldnt do because we have no slot receiver and too weak an o-line. winston could utilize our big, deep-threat pass catchers to a much better degree.
    i like mariota more as a person, but winston really seems like the better fit in all areas.

  4. Buc1987 Says:

    One could say….a wuss.

  5. Brilliant Says:

    Joe’s, trying to make something out of nothing!! Jameis Winston is all about “Lamo Jamo”..

  6. Leighroy Says:

    That Aaron Rodgers guy sure sounds laid back and “passive aggressive.” And we all know how terrible he is…. good grief. Think that he worries about not being the #1 pick that year?

  7. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Jameis went up to VJax and told him he wanted to get him the rock…I can’t see Mariota doing that…..two different personalities, but I like Jameis’….he seems like he’d keep the band together better during rough waters.

  8. Joe Says:

    Think that he worries about not being the #1 pick that year?

    In retrospect, no. At the time, he sure as hell did. Ever see an interview of Rodgers talking about that day? He was PO’ed. Might still be a little bit.

    Banging Olivia Munn helps ease the pain.

  9. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Some competitor


  10. lions Says:

    Smart dude, wants to be picked by a team that supports him so if he is not #! he will be happy as well. Winston will say and do whatever sounds good at the time, as he has done time and time again to get out of whatever trouble he is in.

  11. salish_seamonster Says:

    Where the h3ll do you get passive aggressive from that Joe? I think maybe you need to look up the meaning of that term.

    As for the question about being the number 1 pick, it was apparent he was responding as if to say there’s no ego attachment to being number 1 overall and that if he’s not, it’s not going to rattle him. This is called humility and a sense of perspective. Good qualities.

  12. Couch Fan Says:

    Mariota doesn’t know anything we dont know. He’s just giving an honest answer and its clear the differences between the two. Winston wants and expects to be the best. Mariota is just happy to be there.

  13. JMan Says:

    Im not sure how can knock a guy for saying he wants to be a Buc and saying that he’s happy playing for the team that believes in him and will set him up for success.

    If the Bills had the #1 pick Jameis would drool over being a Bill and Marcus would answer the same way.

  14. budnbeers Says:

    From the pictures I’ve seen MM has great pocket presence…can’t take his hands out of his pockets.

  15. Buccfan37 Says:

    Some team will get a really good player when they draft Mariota. That much is a given.

  16. Stanglassman Says:

    Jameis grew up a Bucs fan because his Father was a Bucs/Doug Williams fan.

  17. HarlemBuc Says:

    So if we are a 10-6 team in 3 years, I’m looking at all you Mariotta stumpers????

  18. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    All of these armchair Psychiatrists….reading into every statement….labeling both QBs…, I admire your professional perspectives….

  19. iamkingsu Says:


    You’re in an interview the job is to sell yourself to the bucs. If you know the bucs have the number 1 overall pick why in the sam hell would you say I don’t care about going number 1?

  20. Eric Says:

    Seems like a great guy. Courteous and humble.

  21. Tom Edrington Says:

    Smart man, he knows Lovie has taken over Warren Sapp’s handle:

    “QB Killah”

  22. HarlemBuc Says:

    Please tell me the last time courtesy won a freaking super bowl?!

  23. TeeBeeFan Says:

    I completely agree with salish_seamonster on this one. Once you see that the question was whether being the #1 pick was something important to him, you quickly realize that this was not directed at or against becoming a Buc. He gave the best possible answer to the question posed. He shows his humility and maturity.

    While being picked #1 overall certainly will bring more money, fame, and a level of validation on who the team picking first believes is the best (for their team), in the end, is all of this really important to someone with a good perspective on life? I don’t think so. In fact, I think his response also shows the level of confidence that he has in himself; he doesn’t need someone else to validate his own beliefs by picking him #1. If they don’t pick him, then they didn’t want him and Marcus wants to be with a team that wants him. That is perfectly reasonable.

    Does he want the Bucs to want him enough to take him #1 overall? Marcus made it clear that he does want that and would love to play for the Bucs.

  24. HarlemBuc Says:

    We need Jamie’s and then Kraken… Everything else is bs

  25. Jacko101 Says:

    Turns out Tony Dungy was at One Buc to see Marcus too. No mention of that

  26. BucsFanInChina Says:

    Too laid back. Needs more shoplifting, suspected sexual assualt, and jackassery.

  27. Eric Says:

    Courtesy wont win squat, but its a nice trait to see in a fellow human being.

  28. Pickgrin Says:

    “I’d love to play for the Bucs”. Well at least he said it. It wasn’t very enthusiastic the way he said it – and you can also tell by his tone and full answer that he expects the Bucs to take Winston and that he will be playing elsewhere. At least he’s being realistic that his chances of being drafted #1 and playing for the Buccaneers are not very high.

    Sounds like a nice, quiet and reserved young man. The type of personality you love to see in your sister’s boyfriend – but not in your NFL quarterback.

  29. Coburn Says:

    Is it just me or does this picture always look like he’s singing? Something about the way his mouth is open and looking sideways from the mic. Always picture him having a guitar below where the picture is cut off, but missing the shoulder strap. Random thought, don’t mind me

  30. Babaloo Says:

    It’s just hid personality. He wants it bad

  31. White Tiger Says:

    One seems desperate, the other seems confident. Confidence that comes from knowing he will end up on a better, more complete team.

    Looks like Mariota refuses to fit into the haters “too passive” role.

    Speaking of messages: I wonder what message Kid Fameis is sending when he says he may not ATTEND the draft…? Sounds like Kid Fameis doesn’t want to be in the “Green Room” while he slides down the draft board….

  32. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I don’t think he was passive aggressive I just think he was honest and really doesn’t care which pick he goes to. The only additional speculation I could draw from that; is that maybe he cares more about going to a team that will use him in the right system; than going to a team #1.

    I’d like to see a guy that is a bit more cocky though honestly. All the greatest QBs seem to have that insane inner confidence to them; that they believe they are the best.

    Even classy Peyton Manning told the Colts he’d kick their a** on the field for the next X many years if they passed on him.

  33. Rob Says:

    “It’s called being a p_$$¥ buds fans!!!! And our coaching staff has been infected as well… Do you want to win super bows or sportsmanship contests?!”

    It reads more like another sign of his maturity to me. Being the 1st pick or being on a particular team isn’t what matters the most. Some team will want him, and he can’t control what team that is, so he’s focused on getting drafted and going from there.

    Being the top pick in the draft means a little bit more money in your rookie contract, other than that, it’s completely meaningless and Mariota knows it.

  34. HawaiianBuc Says:

    This is something I can speak of with quite a bit of confidence and knowledge, since I’ve spent the majority of my life in Hawaii, and I’m married to a girl who has spent her entire life in Hawaii. This is totally the culture of Hawaii. It is highly frowned upon to be anything but humble when you are off the field or court. Now I’m a Winston guy, but I would be shocked if he responded any differently. It’s just the way it is. Walking around with “swag” in Hawaii is not condoned, and a very good way to get up close and personal with an overhand right from a grouchy Samoan. Trust me on this, seen it many times growing up. I don’t see it as a bad thing or a good thing, just the way it is. I tell everyone who ever even considers moving to Hawaii that it is a totally different culture from anywhere else.

  35. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I’m a huge Winston supporter – and he even said being the #1 pick isn’t as important to him as just being picked in the exact same style interview on the Bucs website.

    He did say he’d love to be there and stay in Florida a few times though. But either way comon man lol

  36. Celly Says:


    If you grew up a Bucs fan because your father was a Bucs fan and the Bucs had the number 1 pick when it was the year for you to be drafted, do you think it would still be meaningless?

    I know I would love to be the QB of the team my father (or more specifically in my case, mother) grew up loving. and it would mean a lot to me to be picked by that team…more so than just money.

  37. Coburn Says:

    Eh I think it’s easy to get caught up in the hype of being #1 overall. I think it takes a bit of maturity or perhaps just a bit less of an impulsive (laid-back?) view to realize ‘hey, yeah it would be cool to have that label, but 15 years from now will anyone actually care whether I was #1 or #10 and will really only be looking at how my career went?’ At the end of the day it really is just a short term boost to the ego and yeah of course there is some difference in $$

  38. JMan Says:


    I get what you are saying. I think people must be themselves. His comes off as ego in check and a humility family guy. If he tried the Winston approach it would seem false

    Same goes in reverse for Winston.

    Interview, be who you are. Always

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    “Speaking of messages: I wonder what message Kid Fameis is sending when he says he may not ATTEND the draft…? Sounds like Kid Fameis doesn’t want to be in the “Green Room” while he slides down the draft board….”

    White Tiger…you don’t mind if I save this for draft day so I can repost it do you?

    Oh well either way it’s been saved. Keep your name for draft day, please don’t leave us.

  40. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Joe, maybe you should have found out what kind of aftershave or deodarant he was wearing….that might have given us a clue as to what he’s actually thinking! Maybe we could run a vocalization stress anylization test to discover if he really meant the words he said, or if he’s simply been programmed to say the things he said? Perhaps we can reconstruct his exact path tru One Buc Place to see which areas he got closer to, and which he remained further away from? I think we need to convene a high level round table of people who have known Marcus for many years so they can break down his use of gramar and syntax!

    LOL!!!!! He’s a humble, respectful and plain spoken kid who is more interested in helping a team win, than drawing attention to himself! I’m sure there are a lot of #1 overall picks who would have gladly gone later in the draft for the opportunity to win a Championship! Mariota is just mature enough to already see it!

    But seriously, I do want to know what sneakers he was wearing???Nike, Reebok, Addidas????? Did he smell good, Joe? I’ll bet he smells like coconut!!!!

  41. Buc1987 Says:

    “It’s not really important for me to be the first pick, but it is important to me to be picked,” Winston said, adding that he was blessed during his “years at Florida State to win the national championship and just be a winning quarterback.

    “I would love to be (drafted) here.” – Jameis Winston

  42. HawaiianBuc Says:

    I personally don’t believe he doesn’t really want to be the #1 pick, he’s just not going to say so (for reasons I previously stated). Think about it this way, if you remember playing sports back in the day when you had captains picking teams, everyone wanted to be picked first. If you weren’t, you would be all pissed off. Maybe some of you can’t relate, but I sure could can. It had nothing to do with money, and everything to do with pride.

  43. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    “I’d love to play for the Bucs.”

    There, he said it.

    Here’s the thing. He’s basically seeming to have the opinion that he’ll prove himself to whichever team that picks him. He’s not blind. He’s seen the mocks. He’s not going to damage his chances of getting picked by another team early by focusing on the Buccaneers.

    And the truth of the matter is this…if the Buccaneers surprise you all and take Mariota, who would take Winston?

    No other team has even mentioned that they would want him if it came to that. No mocker, no media guy, not even Joe has mentioned another team that would have him.

    Sure, you can assume the Bucs are going to take him, but responsible journalism explores all the angles, yet this one is not being explored. Why?

    Because no one else wants Winston, not in the first round. That makes it hard to predict where he could end up.

    Mariota is playing it smart. He’s not declaring loyalty to a team until a team picks him. When that happens, then he will, because that is the team that placed their trust in him.

  44. C-rock Says:

    I was born and raised in Hawaii. That personality is normal for Mariota. Can’t have a Jameis type of personality in Hawaii cause you’d get what we call a “False Crack”. That means your face would be rearranged by a Samoan. Keep it humble and respect the people and the land and you won’t get False Cracked.

  45. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    btw, ’87, I see you changed back to your old name. Getting a little unsure of the pick?

  46. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Honestly, this is all just noise.

    I want the better QB, not the better personality. It just so happens that Jameis is both.

  47. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Celly Says
    “If you grew up a Bucs fan because your father was a Bucs fan and the Bucs had the number 1 pick when it was the year for you to be drafted, do you think it would still be meaningless?

    I know I would love to be the QB of the team my father (or more specifically in my case, mother) grew up loving. and it would mean a lot to me to be picked by that team…more so than just money.”

    Is this the case for Winston? If you say yes, please provide the proof of it.

  48. White Tiger Says:

    Clearly there’s a double standard here. I Just watched the clip of when Kid Fameis visited with the Bucs – and the EXACT same question from the interviewer illicit the EXACT SAME RESPONSE many of you fools are now blasting Mariota for uttering!?

    You tools should go back and watch that stuff before they manipulate you into answering the way they want you to…

    Interviewer: “Is being picked number one overall important to you?”

    Kid Fameis: “Being picked number one is NOT important, being picked period, is is the important thing.”

    See, almost sounds like Kid Fameis isn’t so sure he’ll even BE selected…

    Add to this comment the fact that Kid Fameis is now afraid to attend the draft…and one might draw the conclusion that he’s being prepared to slide down the draft board.

    I think that would be best for Kid Fameis, he would land on a better team, he would have better protection and he would not have 35,000 fans screaming for him to start every week – while he’s supposed to be developing.

    Meanwhile, we can get on with drafting and grooming the next Russell Wilson/Colin Kaepernick hybrid…and begin planning world domination (of football)…!

  49. Lance Says:

    Of course, their responses to the #1 question differed. Winston know he’s going #1, and Marcus knows he’s not. Duh.

  50. Jeagan1999 Says:

    C-rock…I lived in Hawaii for a couple of years (Maui) and I gotta say that Mariota’s attitude and demeanor reminds me so much of the people I knew there. Laid back, peaceful, easy going….its just not normal to find too many people in the islands that are intense, boastful or completely “me-oriented”. The great thing is that once he steps on the field, he becomes a warior, but off the field he is modest and humble! I dig that!

  51. Celly Says:


    No, I’m not saying that is the case. Not even sure if Winston, himself, was a Bucs fan growing up. But i do remember reading (or hearing) where he said that his father grew up watching Williams. I’ve been doing all I can to find that statement, but cannot (yet).

    So if you choose to discredit it, then by all means, feel free to.

  52. Couch Fan Says:

    No other team has even mentioned that they would want him if it came to that

    Thats because most teams know Winston wont get past Tampa and Marcus will, so therefore no reason to talk about it. Buy aye, lets play the nieve roll and pretend that only the Bucs are interested in Winston…

  53. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    “I’d love to play for the Bucs.”

    Hahaha are you happy now 87? Or are you going to keep bitching?

    Joe, I used to hope for more Mariota articles, but now realize (or maybe have known all the while) that they are pointless. In Jameis jock riders eyes, Winston can do nothing wrong. Nothing is ever his fault. And Mariota could cure cancer, end world hunger, say and do all the right things, and not be good enough. I really, really like both QB’s, but the fanboys ruin this place, on both sides. To some Jameis can do no right either.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai Says:
    March 16th, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    “btw, ’87, I see you changed back to your old name. Getting a little unsure of the pick?”

    Nope just confident and see no need for the name anymore. Since in my mind Winston’s the lock.

  55. Lord Cornelius Says:


    Winston would likely go #2 to Tennessee if the Bucs pass on him. He interviewed with multiple teams at the Combine and was impressive in all those meetings according to accounts. It’s not like other teams aren’t interested… but the media / everyone seems to have the sense that he is going #1 to the Bucs. At this point literally every single mock draft I can find has Winston going #1.

    There is just simply no story worth writing at this point when it comes to Winston going to any other team; because litereally every single media outlet thinks he’s going to Tampa.

    Kind of insane logic to think that a guy who the entire internet community has as the #1 pick would fall out of the first round lol.

  56. lurker Says:

    with the #12 pick you do not take the second-best qb prospect in mariota. you take winston. it is an easy decision, people.

  57. lurker Says:

    #12 should be #1…lol

  58. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Celly Says

    No, I’m not saying that is the case. Not even sure if Winston, himself, was a Bucs fan growing up. But i do remember reading (or hearing) where he said that his father grew up watching Williams. I’ve been doing all I can to find that statement, but cannot (yet).

    So if you choose to discredit it, then by all means, feel free to.”

    I wasn’t planning to discredit it. It would have added a green flag to him for me. But, it would have had to be clear evidence. For example, my kids grew up watching Peyton Manning, but that doesn’t mean they are Colts fans.

  59. Buc1987 Says:

    Couch Fan…It’s like they never heard that most people at the combine were saying the Bucs are taking Winston. It was like a given at the combine to most people there…

    There’s so many signs that point towards Winston being the pick…

    Yet people come up with “red flags” for Winston out of thin air.

  60. Celly Says:


    No worries. I might not care for most of what you say, but you don’t usually come across as an ass, so I can at least respect you.

    If I happen to find the statement, I’ll be sure to find some way to post it.

  61. Buc1987 Says:

    On the other hand if signs were pointing towards Mariota, Mariota fans would be letting us know about it.

    For now all they got is…..

    Mariota’s going to be the pick and I just know it.

  62. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Lord Cornelius Says
    “There is just simply no story worth writing at this point when it comes to Winston going to any other team; because literally every single media outlet thinks he’s going to Tampa.”

    I beg to differ.

    There is still every chance that the Bucs will not take Winston. They might take Mariota. Or…they might take another position and take quarterback in the second round. Or…Dirk might convince them that Mike Glennon is the franchise QB they envisioned.

    Anything can happen. While the odds seem to be with Winston, they are not 100%, and that means the media should be covering other possibilities. It’s lazy journalism.

    Casserly’s mock? Who is number one? Winston.

    “You don’t even have to explain that one. Let’s move on to number two.”

    Lazy. And it has all the ear markings of catching a lot of people by surprise.

  63. Couch Fan Says:

    I agree BF7. It’s only getting more silly by the day. Now choosing to spend the greatest moment of his life with his family is a “red flag”… The hate is real.

  64. P'cola Buc Says:

    I think that he is a fine gentleman. I think it’s great that he naturally has the “laid back” Samoan culture within him. I would be honored to have him as a friend. But….perhaps the Buccaneers need a good quarterback who is more vocal and outwardly passionate. Someone who can “motivate” the troops. A spark, someone who without a doubt can take charge of the men. Mariota is a great quarterback however the laid back Samoanian culture combined with the Geman reserveness (maternal side of his family)….may result in the “quieter” type of quarterback. Just prefer at this time a little “injection” of that positive outward confidence that Winston would bring. I would be happy with either but I am leaning Winston here.

  65. lurker Says:

    (in case you missed my earlier post in another thread)
    breakdown of marcus mariota’s rosebowl game. done by brett kollmann.

  66. Lord Cornelius Says:

    That’s fine if you want to disagree Bonzai but I’m just putting it into the context that you are disagreeing with every NFL talking head out there basically..

    At this point if Mariota goes #1 it would be one of the bigger surprises in any draft of recent memory.

    I am honestly surprised at the lack of media covering the idea of Mariota going #1; or making this more of a debate (which it was a month or so ago – before the scouting combine). The only thing that makes sense to me is that everyone is extremely confident to like a 99% surity that Winston goes #1

  67. Stanglassman Says:

    Bonzai- Check out the Dan Patrick interview after he won the Heisman and National Championship game. I can tell you all the players on FSU football (1991 to present) who grew up a Bucs fan because a lot of us talk. James Colzie (Neil’s Son) hit me up on FB over a year ago and told me “Your boy Jameis Luvs the Bucs like we do”.

  68. lurker Says:

    breakdown of jameis winston’s rosebowl game. done by brett kollmann.

    see, not that hard of a decision. winston is the best qb in this draft and recent years.

  69. Tackleblockwin Says:

    Talk of 1st pick being a QB is smoke. I’m going with DE Williams as my guess for now.

  70. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    You act like people should ignore red flags.

    When considering ANY pick, all the angles should be reviewed. All of them. And none should be ignored.

    For example, you and your ilk point at Mariota being quiet and shy as being a red flag. You point at his inexperience under cent as a red flag. You point at other things.

    But…when people point at Winston’s red flags, you suddenly wish to pretend they do not matter. Why is that?

    Is it because there are so very many and they would overwhelm? Is it because while the red flags for Mariota remain the same, more are added to Winston on an almost weekly basis?

    But hey, we should ignore all of that. Just like the Browns ignored the red flags on Quinn (who ended up holding out on his rookie deal). Or the Raiders ignored them with Russell.

    In 1998, the quarterback viewed to have the greater potential and that had the stronger arm (sound familiar?) was Ryan Leaf, while the media deemed Manning the more mature player and the safer pick. Leaf even had weight issues (sound familiar?).

    I know, those are different circumstances. But the red flags were there. And teams ignored them. Fans ignored them. Media ignored them.

  71. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    lurker, those Kollman videos are amazing. I came across them a week or so ago and it’s what has me 100% certain that not only are the Bucs going to take Winston, but it’s the right pick.

    The way he breaks down that film just makes it crystal clear who the better QB is.

    Now, one game is not the end all be all, but Kollman has a way to put into context what those of us that know Winston is the pick already know to be true. Jameis is the better QB.

    It’s also the way that Bucs player personnel people and scouts are going to be watchign the film. Posters on this site look at the INT’s and criticize. Kollman actually points to one of Jameis’ INT’s as an example of a perfect read and perfect throw. They are fascinating watches and even if you don’t agree with Kollman I highly recommend watching the videos.

  72. Curtis Gatorboy Says:

    Just face it winston heads! Mariotta is going to be a BUC! Embrace it you losers!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Bonzai, the reason why your red flags are ignored is because they are largely made up.

    Weight issues? Come on man….based off of one picture you compare Jameis to Ryan Leaf.

    People that compare Jameis to Ryan Leaf, Johnny Manziel, and JaMarcus Russell deserve to be ignored.

    And you complain about people ignoring Jameis’ interceptions and throwing mechanics. But then you ignore Jimbo saying that MAYBE 8 of those picks are on Jameis. You ignore that Jameis’ delivery was vastly improved at the combine and that this is the first offseason he’s ever had to work on mechanics.

    People point to the rape allegation as a red flag, but then they ignore the overwhelming evidence that the accuser is making up her story as part of a money grab. They say that Jameis was never punished for anything then ignore that he was suspended for the remainder of the baseball season after the crab legs and was suspended for the biggest conference game of the year for saying a naughty word.

    If you’re honest with yourself then you have to admit that the Jameis HATERS are doing an awful lot more ignoring than the Jameis supporters.

  74. ddneast Says:

    Sorry,but all it means is more money for the No. 1’pick chosen. As the No.1 selection and the No. 1 QB chosen it means more money that say a QB chosen 8th and is the second QB selected.
    All this means is money isn’t as important to Mariotta as it is to Winston.

  75. Couch Fan Says:

    But…when people point at Winston’s red flags, you suddenly wish to pretend they do not matter. Why is that?

    Is it because there are so very many and they would overwhelm? Is it because while the red flags for Mariota remain the same, more are added to Winston on an almost weekly basis?

    There is nothing wrong with be concerned about red flags. Winston has them. Just about every draftee does. Winstons red flags are well known. The issue is when people like you make everything into a red flag on a weekly basis.

    Winston has done nothing that would warrant a new red flag every week, its only the people like you that turn things like not attending the draft into a red flag…

    Just sayin…

  76. Bucsfanman Says:

    Yawn! Tbbf has this pegged,”armchair psychiatrists”!
    For those not paying attention, there is no CLEAR #1 pick in this year’s draft. That’s why we’re all speculating. In years past, there were “no-brainers” at #1. Let’s try not to delve too far into the psyche of a few words uttered by young men.
    Speaking of “armchair psychiatrists”, did I just see a survey where Buc fans want Greg I beat my girlfriend up, was convicted, but paid her off so that they would drop the case, Hardy?! Why don’t we bring back Michael Pittman, trade for Big Ben, and sign Hardy! That should keep the female population of Tampa Bay safe!!!
    I know that we don’t necessarily want choir boys, but how about just a little moral character! I wonder how many fathers would like to see Greg Hardy in their living room!
    I digress!

  77. Stanglassman Says:

    Dan Patrick’s Winston interview. He talks about knowing the history of the NFL QBs and goes into detail about Doug Williams’s achievements.

  78. JFat Says:

    Mariota’s “All about that action, boss.”.

    Kinda funny, people calling this kid a pu$$y cause he doesn’t talk much, but, I bet he’d whip Jameis’ fat ass in a fist fight. The guy was raised to be humble, standing in front of cameras and talking about how great he is obviously isn’t something he is comfortable with. Doesn’t mean $hit in terms of how he gets along with the guys in the locker room though.

  79. Buc1987 Says:

    Curtis Gatorboy Says:
    March 16th, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    “Just face it winston heads! Mariotta is going to be a BUC! Embrace it you losers!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Are you the same Curtis Gatorboy that said in the Winston thread that you have family that works at One Buc and they told you the pick was Mariota.

    Then went onto to say that this “latest stunt” by the Bucs bringing in Mariota only proves that Mariota is the pick.

    How come you were the last one to know that Mariota was coming in for a visit if you have a family member at One Buc? We all knew he was coming in for a visit 2 weeks ago. I would think you have the inside track.


  80. Buc1987 Says:

    Bucsfanman …I’d love to see Hardy in my living room on my flat screen sacking Drew Brees.

  81. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    lurker Says
    “breakdown of jameis winston’s rosebowl game. done by brett kollmann.”

    So, I decided to go watch the videos this guy posted. I watched both the Mariota and the Winston videos.

    I have to say, he makes it sound like he knows his stuff.

    That said, he also points to imaginary things. Like Winston’s eyes staring away from his target. Didn’t happen. Believe me…I TIRED to see it. That ball went right where he was looking.

    And then the ball placement. He mentioned how Winston “placed the ball where only the WR could catch it.” Also not true. It was behind and inside…right where a pro defender can pick it off VERY EASILY.

    Brett Kollmann admitted that he had not reviewed any other games of Mariota. NONE.

    And then he went on to point out how Oregon ran the same lineup 29 times out of 70+ plays (with different plays run out of that lineup). And he acts like that is a lot.

    Take a good look at Pro Football. You see the same lineups countless times each game. Remember, it WASN’T the same lineup for 41+ plays, but that doesn’t serve his agenda, so he ignores that.

    And with Winston, he breezes over the windup, mentioning it only briefly at the start…and then that is the only negative he mentions on Winston.

    Ironically, the only plays he covered were out of the shotgun. And yet, Winston is supposed to be great under center?

    But the most ridiculous thing he said…was how Winston never gave up, how he was always trying to encourage his team and lead them to victory in that game.

    He completely ignored the breakdown, where Winston screamed at his teammates, blaming them, went to his coach, blaming them, and the coach had to threaten to bench him because of it.

    Instead, Brett Kollmann showed to video of 10-15 minutes later, after Winston had been scolded and had time to calm down, and THEN went to talk to his teammates. And…to top it off, he neglected to show the shots of their facial reactions, which read like “Screw you, dude, you showed us who you really are…let’s see you do this on your own.”

    Because he had already done the damage.

  82. allIwantiswins Says:

    What is wrong with all you Mariota fans? You all sound like a bunch of sissies. This is football, not church. Your the same people watching your fellow Bucs fans getting beat up in our own stadium. We need a winner on our team, a type-A personality to bring some fire to Tampa. Winston has the “IT” factor, Mariota doesn’t. If we take mariota we are going to waste sundays watching boring Buc football and continue to lose.

  83. Bill Says:

    @Celly and Bonzai,

    For what it’s worth, I remember reading the Winston, Dad, Williams, Bucs love story too…recently. I think it was in some piece around the time Winston had his visit.

  84. Bill Says:

    As a Winston supporter, I wish some of you guys would stop attacking MM. He’s a class act and a great prospect. He’s not my pick…but he would be if Jameis had returned to school. That’s probably true for most of us…let’s keep it classy San Diego.

  85. Bill Says:


    You’re misunderstanding what Kollman said about the 29 times the play was called. It was the SAME exact play (not just formation)…but the play has 4 different options which make it look like it is different when a different option is dictated by the defense.

  86. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Bonzai, Jameis never blamed his teammates…always put all the blame on himself.

  87. Stanglassman Says:

    If you can’t see Winston freezing that safety over and over again in the Rose Bowl you need some glasses. My brother text me during the game “Jameis is moving the safety where ever he wants” or something to that effect. BTW He went into the game a MM fan and came out saying Winston will be the better pro. I respect your takes usually Bonzai but on this one you’re on the wrong side.

  88. ADown88 Says:


    Attacking MM?? All I ever see is people bashing Winston, and people defending Winston. Rarely do you rogue negativity pointed towards MM.

  89. ADown88 Says:


  90. buddha Says:

    Let’s get over all the bs. These are the two best quarterbacks in the draft. They are very likely to go 1-2 in the draft due to the needs of the Buccaneers and titans or teams below that want to trade for one of them. Both have question marks. neither can make the Buccaneers a playoff team next year. Mariota is the safer choice for the long term. He is a gifted athlete, a coachable player, highly intelligent, and a team-first guy. He is a Heisman Trophy winner and a record-setting quarterback. He will have a learning curve. Nobody knows for sure how long it will take. Winston is a pro-set ready guy. In his first year, he showed few flaws. In his second year, with fewer star athletes on offense, he showed noticeable flaws in his game. These flaws are correctable, but will take time and patience. The degree to which he is coachable is a question, though his talent, like Mariota’s, is not. He has an outgoing personality and is well-liked by teammates. His off-field behavior raises questions about his maturity, his susceptibility to outside influence, and his moral character. He is, without doubt, higher risk long-term for suspensions due to outside behavior. Both have risks and rewards. Nobody is an expert on gauging these. Last year’s can’t miss, consensus number one pick had question marks as well and he played hardly a down. The 2013 consensus number one pick, Eric Fisher has been decent but not a pro bowl player. In fact, since 2001, only Eli Manning and Andrew Luck have proved to have the kind of careers one expects of number one draft picks. So it is foolish for anyone to get on this board and act as if he or she knows for sure what kind of a career either of these guys will have. It’s an educated crap shoot.

  91. Bill Says:


    I’m not going to point the instances out, just making a general statement. It probably doesn’t apply to most.

  92. Bucenya42 Says:

    Rg3-13 refused to meet with Colts after their obvious adoration for Luck. This is more of the same, maybe more so fueled by bye media this time though.

  93. Mord Says:

    Hard not to see this as an expression of respect for the fact that he’s not widely considered the front-runner for the pick.

    This kid is known to be positive and respectful, and shows confidence through humility… This seems like a more likely fit than passive aggression.. Occam’s razor

  94. lurker Says:


    appreciate you watchin the vids. i guess people are going to see what they want. some of your comments have been addressed by other posters.

    also, in my posting of the links i stated it was for the rosebowl game. and, as you stated, kollmann says, in that video, that he has only looked at that one game of mariota’s.

  95. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Yes TBBF does have it pegged with his “armchair psychiatrist” post.

    What virtually all of you fail to recognize is that this is cultural! Samoans are not loudmouth braggarts something many of you seem to demand in your athletes.

    I love Richard Sherman off the field. He’s as smart and articulate as can be. On the field he puts me off though.

    It’s a generational thing with me. I was always taught to let my actions speak for me and any compliments I gave MYSELF were a waste of breath. Compliments only count when somebody else makes the observation. But I get it…I’m an old dude and most younger guys appreciate loudmouthed athletes especially on the football field.

    Now as to calling Mariota a p#ssy. You embarrass yourself. I put Mariota in a dark alley with any of you guys and he’d kicked all of your butts. Puhleeze you keyboard tough guys.

    Yes Samoans have a rep as quiet, earnest and modest. Yet they are some of the baddest assses to play in the NFL. Samoans are NOT p#ssies.

    You Winstonites have me leaning heavily to selecting Fameis. But does that mean I have to be a jerk to root for him? Again no matter how much you put down MM you do NOT make Fameis look any better. And think about it. He doesn’t NEED any help his achievements stand on their own as do MM’s.

    BTW as a hockey fan I can tell you they are the meanest toughest guys around.
    Very few of them are loud mouths and they all disdain bragging.

    Being a fired up loudmouth doesn’t prevent you from being a great athlete or competitor But it doesn’t prevent it either. Anybody here wanna go ten rounds with those p#ssies GMC or DB55 or Warrick Dunn or MIke Alstott.

    Fameis deserves to be the #1 pick because of HIS talent, not because of any lack of talent on MM’s part. In fact you Winstonites are slamming Fameis too when you low rent MM. Wouldn’t you want Fameis to beat out another stud rather than a p#ssy?

  96. Bill Says:


    Kullman made a very interesting point when discussing the Oregon system. It’s a numbers system and heavily relies on winning (or not losing) 1 on 1 blocking assignments…..but it doesn’t work when a JJ Watt is on the field, or a GMC, or any “professional” athlete who is regularly dominant.

    This is why Philly (in Kelly’s first year) looked really good, or really bad. One dominant defensive player can blow the entire system up.

  97. Bill Says:


    I couldn’t agree more.

  98. AussieBucco Says:

    Firstly, I’m not in either camp with regard to which QB (if any) is drafted – they both have enormous potential, and I’ll support the Bucs no matter which choice they make. This comment is more about the style of certain Winston barrackers (and there are plenty of Mariotta barrackers who deserve a bit of stick too – looking at you, Barry).

    There’s plenty of Winston sycophants here who keep proclaiming that Mariotta’s a ‘pussy’ because he’s humble (off the field, at least). Since when did being a loudmouthed, egotistical gobshite (on and off the field) automatically equate to being a ‘winner’? Who says that vain, arrogant narcissists are more driven, or determined, or have better ‘leadership qualities’? I’ve read the views of the Hawaiian posters here who speak of how being laid-back and modest is the culture in Hawaii, and it seems to be the similar to here in Australia – we’re a bit wary of lairy, breast-beating posers over here and, because of their vanity and arrogance, would rather see them fail than succeed. ‘Talk softly but carry a big stick’ is much more respected.

  99. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    People/Players have distinctly different personalities…..what you want is them being themselves….l think we are getting that out of both candidates.

    Imagine the differences between Sapp & GMC if they were competing for the #1 spot together?

    Posters are foolish to read anything else into these sessions…..they are essentially job interviews made public. None of us has any idea what Licht, Lovie & the Glazer’s impressions of them really are.

  100. Bucsfan4lyf Says:

    It’s funny how a humble, genuine guy is considered a pussy, but a rah rah guy, I want the spotlight, it’s all about me is liked and embraced. Never see Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck doing things like that. Show’s what is wrong with society.

    Can’t wait to see Mariota in pewter and red leading us to TD’s (best in college history) and WINS!!!


  101. Joe Says:

    Never see Peyton Manning

    Would that be the same Manning who does idiotic jumping jacks and jumps up and down needlessly before each snap, running up and down the line of scrimmage? No, he shies away from attention. Sure enough.

    His little brother has won twice as many Super Bowls with none of the histrionics.

    Same guy that does how many dozens of commercials? A regular wallflower this guy.

  102. Bill Says:


    Personalities vary, and it’s not the case that one is “better” than the other. A football team (as teams in general do) needs a balance, or better worded, a diversity of attitude. Sometimes a team needs calm calculated leadership, sometimes ethical guidance, and other times it needs pure intensity.

    We had this covered in the past with Brooks, Rhonde, Lynch, and finally Sapp. We’ve got GMC, VJax, David, and…… We’ve got no Sapp. No fire. No attitude. No swag….

    I like MM, I love Winston, and one of the reasons is because he has the thing this team needs. Fire, attitude, swag. He oozes it, and this Bucs team desperately needs it.

  103. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Agree completely. It takes all kinds and if one of those types is missing from a team then I understand a desire to search for that missing ingredient.

    Your Sapp analogy scares me though. 🙂 I NEVER liked Sapp. But I think an individual also needs balance. Sapp never demonstrated that. He was a jerk off the field as well as on where it was ok. I’ve posted my concerns about Fameis but it’s not so much he’s a jerk as entitled and immature. He can grow out of those things with any luck.

  104. WS99 Says:


    Anybody here wanna go ten rounds with those p#ssies GMC or DB55 or Warrick Dunn or MIke Alstott.

    I don’t recall anyone EVER calling DB55, Dunn or Alstott p*ssies. You know why? Bc neither of them are.

  105. WS99 Says:

    Sapp was so bad he knocked out 2 HOF’ers in one game. He was so bad he didn’t need any “help” on the dline. He was so bad he never avg 5 wins a yr for his career. He was so bad prostitutes paid him to have s e x. Oh wait ….

  106. Zam Says:

    Do you really think Winston would be so Bucs-happy if they were the #2 pick of the draft?

    He just wants to “win” the draft and be picked #1. It’s all about his own greatness. I’m surprised his ego fit in the door.

    Meanwhile, Mariota doesn’t care if his ego is stroked. He’s just grateful to be playing.

  107. HawaiianBuc Says:


    Have you seriously not seen all the posts which have said that Winston said the EXACT same thing? Get off of your bias for 2 seconds and open your eyes! You are clearly against Winston – fine, but don’t be so stupid about it that you have to make stuff up to feed your bias.

    He wants to stay in Florida and you are upset? You are mad because he wants to be the first pick? Really? You must have been a cheerleader or something, because any man who played real sports wants to be the #1 guy. It’s not about ego, it’s about being competitive. Michael Jordan used being picked #3 as motivation throughout his career. I guess you wouldn’t want him either. Peyton Manning told the Colts if they didn’t draft him first, he was going to beat their arses for the next 15 years. In fact, you name me one great player that isn’t an ultra competitor. Go ahead, I’ll wait. I don’t want anyone who TRULY doesn’t care if he’s picked #1. I don’t give a damn what they say, but the damn sure better want to be first. But you just want a guy that’s happy to be playing!? Go back to practicing your pyramid while the rest of us discuss.

  108. White Tiger Says:

    If you don’t think Mariota has fire, then you were watching too many FSU games – he demolished the Seminoles and Kid Fameis could NOT catch him.

    ’nuff said.

  109. Oahubuc Says:

    Yep. He’s being Hawaiian. End of story.

  110. Bill Says:


    On an individual basis Sapp was a jerk, I don’t think anybody who encountered him would disagree. I’m talking about football attitude, and I’m pretty sure you realize that. I live in Tallahassee, my sister is an intern at the private school Jimbo’s kid(s) attend. She’s seen JW dozens of times, he’s not a jerk.

    This is my 2nd hand knowledge of how he acts when no cameras are around. Conduct at a school might not be truly indicative of a persons true self, but I’m sharing the truth as best I know it. I have no concerns about JW the person.

  111. Bill Says:

    @White Tiger,

    The Ducks stomped my Noles. The Ducks crushed the Noles. The Ducks OBLITERATED the Seminole program! I think FSU cancelled the football program. — maybe not, get back with me on that.

    Did you see MM doing anything during the OSU loss that a Duck fan would be proud of?

    As a Nole, I expect the team leaders to be pissed when they are getting beat. There’s no joy in losing. Shake hands when the game is over…fight like hell until it is.

  112. Jack Says:

    Gruden on Mariota: “Mariota is special in a lot of ways. He’s a dynamic dual-threat on the field and he is humble – no-nonsense, full of character off the field – 4.52 is what he ran [at the Combine]. He competes like crazy. I just think he has a lot of ‘can’t miss’ qualities.”

  113. BoJim Says:

    I’ll just go ahead and skip reading the comments on this article. SOS.

    Winston will make us feared again.