Lovie Predicts “Early Success” For Mariota & Winston

March 25th, 2015


Lovie Smith took the Winston-Mariota debate to a new level this morning at the NFL Owners meetings.

As Joe wolfed down bagels and lox and bran muffins like a slob, Lovie sat before a colorful plate of fruit and talked about impact.

The Bucs head coach was clear he thinks both quarterbacks are not just good prospects, but players who will impress quickly.

“Both will have early success in the league and help their team win a lot of games,” Lovie said. “When you talk about the top of the draft, you hope that would be the case.”

Of course, Lovie’s definition of “early” is unclear. However, during an early morning chat with Lovie before the breakfast session, Joe asked Lovie for his feelings about both quarterbacks being just 21 years old when opening day comes in September.

Lovie said age is not much of a factor in today’s NFL.

“Just not right now, it’s always been to me, it’s the best guy plays right away, doesn’t matter how young they are. It’s a different athlete coming in now who’s been through an awful lot that’s more NFL-ready to play,” Lovie said. “How young was Mike Evans? 20, a kid right? So these are old vets coming in compared to Mike. So I don’t think that’s an issue. They’ve had center stage where everything has been dissected and critiqued throughout their lives. So I think they can make a quick transition.”

Joe gets what Lovie is saying, but rookies are still rookies, and the guys playing defense on the other side of the ball also are coming in more NFL-ready.

It will be a wild ride if Lovie drafts a quarterback and hands him the rock on the first day of training camp.

132 Responses to “Lovie Predicts “Early Success” For Mariota & Winston”

  1. Bill Says:

    “It will be a wild ride if Lovie drafts a quarterback and hands him the rock on the first day of training camp.”

    Yes it will. There will certainly be some mistakes made, hopefully there will be as many great plays too.

  2. 87's Cool side Says:

    After watching the combine and listening to you guys bicker about a QB constantly I have been plucked from the Trade Down crowd. I don’t care which one it is because they both look good and Im pretty sure we are taking one of em. Im just ready for a shiny new QB now.

  3. Couch Fan Says:

    If thats how he really feels then tells you all you need to know about how he felt about Glennon sitting behind McCown. Still thought it was a big mistake but at least we got the #1 pick now to use on Winston!

  4. RustyRhinos Says:

    I don’t see any belly flab in this photo of Mariota a little bit on Winston showing bulging his shirt.

    Hmmm, who showed up to their perspective job interview in shape and ready to show and do what was asked of them?
    Oh yes they both did participate in the combine interviews. While looking at this photo and the results of all the different test they both had to do, one of them is clearly more focused on getting the job.

  5. bucs4lyfe Says:

    doesn’t matter we have a quarterback on the roster right now that plays like a timid rookie

  6. RustyRhinos Says:

    What QB would not be timid behind the oline we have had the past several seasons? Rookie or veteran

  7. bucs4lyfe Says:

    past several years lol greg schiano had the same offensive line for 2 years, one year josh freeman had a career year, the next year we had mike glennon stinking up the place on root to a 4 win season. maybe the o line didn’t like glennon very much

  8. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “greg schiano had the same offensive line for 2 years”

    By “same offensive line” you mean Demar Dotson?

  9. 87's Cool side Says:

    Rhino does put up a good point tho. You can’t get paid enough money to play behind that OL. I sure hope Lovie has a plan that is better than last years. Either rookie QB will melt behind that OL

  10. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    You know what guys. I’ve been jerked back and forth between these two QB’s.

    I’m like 87’s cool side, plucked from the trade down crowd.

    The Winstonites have won me over but as a former MM guy I would still be happy with him as well.

    I think all this reading of tea leaves is getting amusing. NO NFL coach or GM is going to say anything negative about either player and so I discount most of what has been said. And of course there’s the so called smoke screen or playing it close to the vest.

    But I’m honestly starting to wonder if the Bucs really do have their draft board set. I’m not sure they don’t believe both QB’s will be solid performers. There may still be some debates going on at OBP about which one to take.

    The risks are pretty clear. What if Famis gets his 3rd suspension for off field activities? What if Fameis does eat himself out of a job. That instagram pick somebody linked yesterday was downright scary. Hopefully it was photoshopped by MM supporters!…OTOH…what if Fameis IS the real deal. BE horrible to miss out wouldn’t it.

    MM has questions about the “system” he came from. Could take him longer to develop. What if he never develops? What if he develops more slowly but ends up better than FAmeis in a few years.

    Most here have opinions but nobody can truly know and only time will tell.

    Here’s my position. I’m damn glad I’m not at OBP charged with the responsibility of pulling the trigger on one of these two.

    I’ll cheer for whichever one they pick. Don’t believe Lovie or Licht have given us the answer yet. But Lovies comment on both of them being good pretty much forces him to take one.

  11. bucs4lyfe Says:


    GREG SCHIANO!!!!!!

    joseph, penn, zuttah, carl nicks got cut after greg schiano got fired meaning he had the same o line we had for years prior to lovie blowing up the whole thing and making himself look like a fool for his history of putting together an offensive line….oh wait people say jerry angelo was in charge so lovie doesn’t get credit for gabe carimi but I will give greg schiano credit for choosing to let Michael bennet walk in free agency when he would have cost 5-6 mil a year now the entire city is at lovie’s throat because we still don’t have someone to replace him…..well we had a guy that we developed

  12. 87's Cool side Says:

    True SPBF. You and I were perhaps the founding members of the Trade down crowd from day one. Of course I went by a name then that I am no longer allowed to use. However after hearing all the evaluators and watching many games of both kids Im all for one.
    I certainly wouldn’t want to be the one to make the decision

  13. bucrightoff Says:

    Yeah neither of these guys has any shot to succeed if they have line play like we’ve seen the past few years. Mariota I guess would technically have a better shot because he can run for his life. But it really doesn’t matter who the QB is if the line play is a disaster.

  14. Celly Says:

    WalkdaPlank Says:
    March 25th, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    “greg schiano had the same offensive line for 2 years”

    By “same offensive line” you mean Demar Dotson?

    2012 OL Final Roster per Wikipedia:

    73 Roger Allen III G
    69 Demar Dotson T
    68 Derek Hardman G
    62 Ted Larsen C
    79 Jamon Meredith G
    70 Donald Penn T
    74 Cody Wallace C/G
    76 Jeremy Zuttah G

    2013 OL Final Roster per Wikipedia:

    72 Gabe Carimi T
    69 Demar Dotson T
    75 Davin Joseph G
    62 Ted Larsen C
    79 Jamon Meredith G
    77 Carl Nicks G
    66 Patrick Omameh G
    70 Donald Penn T
    76 Jeremy Zuttah C

    Looks pretty similar to me…(lets not forget Davin was on IR in 2012 and Nicks only played a few games in 2013).

  15. ColoradoBuc Says:

    Perhaps they are built differently: a pocket passer doesn’t have to run around as much so, of course, he is not going to be as “trim.”

  16. bucs4lyfe Says:

    overrated chatter……we didn’t give up the most sacks in the nfl last year, that honor goes to the team of blake bortles and he still did just fine, he’s still the guy who got bumped up ahead of the veteran because it didn’t result in wins and that will be the reason glennon is benched because he cant handle pressure

  17. Bill Says:

    As the article states, both players still have private workouts scheduled. I’d be surprised if the Bucs have their minds made up, but they might.

  18. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Oh my mistake.

  19. 87's Cool side Says:

    Not shocking
    I just looked at the top OLs in football and 6 of the top 8 OLs went to the playoffs’
    Hmmmm i wonder if there is any correlation between good QB play and a good OL?
    Side-note: The Cleveland Browns had the no. 1 OL. Johnny manziel couldn’t play behind the best OL in football.

  20. Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:

    If Lovie is convinced that Mariota can be successful immediately, then he should definitely be the pick. #nobrainer

  21. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @Celly and bucfan4lyfe

    I apologize it was my mistake. I thought he meant the same O-line AS LOVIE for two years, not just Schiano working with the same O-line. Simple misunderstanding.

  22. bucs4lyfe Says:

    it’s all good here….im the eternal optimist and to me theres just too many people thinking that no team has holes and that every position has to be addressed for this team to be good and o line is prime example. jags had more sacks than any other team in the league and more wins but no one can say they have talent anywhere close to what tampa has on the field except at quarterback. you can fill every hole this team has and if glennon is the quarterback we’ll still be a 2 win team, he doesn’t have the confidence and doesn’t play like a winner, he plays like a I don’t want to make a mistake quarterback. the o line will be fine after the draft and second free agency and possibly a trade

  23. ADown88 Says:


    What if he gets his 3rd suspension? It’s not like he is coming in with 2 strikes. He will have a completely clean slate with the NFL and with the team, just like every other player in the draft.

  24. ADown88 Says:

    Also, I only remember 1 suspension in college, and that was a half of a game (initially a quarter). Is there another I’m missing?

  25. Buc1987 Says:

    XL Creamsicle, or the old red jersey will do just fine thank you.

  26. Skyline Crew Says:

    Baseball suspension.

  27. White Tiger Says:

    I have my preference for a QB – I can become comfortable with either – so long as it’s one of them.

    What I cannot conceive is the folks who still think there is some magic to “trading down”?!

    The ONLY time you should trade down is if you’re in the middle to lower part of the draft. That means you’ve won 8 or more games, and therefore have a solid roster. Then, you can trade down with little impact to your future.

    The overall number one pick in ANY draft is NOT an award…it’s a penalty. It’s the league’s way of saying “in an effort to help you get your act together, you are commanded to pick the highest paid player at a position of greatest need”.


    It is a penalty for making your fans endure a 2-14 schedule, it is meant to extract a commitment from ownership to do better – and for them this commitment is made in the form of cash…for several years.

    The ownership then puts pressure on the GM and coaching staff to “get it right, and don’t waste our time or our money”. The fallout of a bad pick may cost in terms of careers…some NFL GM’s don’t get another shot, or the pressure is so great they don’t WANT another shot…and instead occupy a seat on XM Radio or any number of analyst positions that BSPN/Fox/CBS utilize, ONE TIME per season…

    Additionally, all eyes of the staff of every NFL team are on the GM & Head Coach, the motivation NOT to screw up is HUGE.

    In this context maybe you will begin to understand that there is absolutely NO WAY the Bucs are going to trade down to “get more picks”…the number one overall pick means you’re pretty much on short notice. There is ONE major problem with this team, the play of the QB. If they don’t get it right THIS year, they may not be around ..no additional picks are going to improve the play of the QB already on this team – that means in the context of SHORT TERM THINKING…obtaining additional picks really aren’t going to help the play of the QB, there is NO reason to gamble on additional picks.

    If this were a deep QB draft…maybe, but it’s NOT. There are a number of QB’s, it’s just that the rest of the options at QB pretty much suck right now and will need to go back into the microwave for a few more years just to become decent back-up’s.

    So, please, FINALLY…CEASE & DESIST from posting inane, foolish, thoughtless, goofy, complicated trade down scenarios.

    There’s a reason we’re drafting where we are – it’s because our QB play SUCKED.

    Deal with it.

  28. Buccfan37 Says:

    Glennon played like he did not have enough time with no blocking and no receivers were open either, McCown also. Next one up is going to be pressured heavily. The weakest link.

  29. Buctebow Says:

    I predict that I will drive home from work in a thunderstorm in June. That is a solid prediction. Not so sure about Lovie’s prediction…early success and help their team win a lot of games. I think this is hopeful/wishful thinking. Maybe with a miracle fix to the oline it could happen….

  30. rayjay1122 Says:

    We absolutely must use our 1st overall pick on a QB. We earned that pick and I will be crushed if we pawn it off. I use the term pawn because that is what it would be, taking something of value and accepting less for it out of desperation. I don’t care if we take Winston or Mariota but we had better take one of them. I am leaning in the direction of it being Winston however. I think Winston is still a little raw and will have to grow up a little both physically and mentally but I do believe he has the football IQ and skill set to be the best QB we have ever had. I wasn’t sure about his personality at first but I think it is growing on me. He is a park plug and a competitor who will light a fire under the rest of the offense. I like Mariota as well but his monotone demeanor is pretty boring. I just want us to have a dynamic offense with a franchise QB. Let the best guy win!!! If you stop and think about it, it is as though we have both right now and we have to cut one on April 30th.

  31. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Sorry but Fameis comes into the league on “probation”. No not a technical RG probation but just as real. Two suspensions from two different teams in two years have used up any “grace period” for Fameis. Nobody will have much patience with him at this point because that’s the big question hanging over his head. Can he stay on the field?

  32. ADown88 Says:


    That’s completely false. Will it be overly publicized? Sure it will. More than any other player coming out? Of course. But if he screws up, the punishment wouldn’t be any more than that of any other player coming out, from the team or league. What are we going to start going back to middle school and elementary school too? “I saw Jameis hit a girl on the playground in 1st grade” Well automatic lifetime ban then if he hits a girl in the NFL!

    He wasn’t employed by the NFL, he has a clean slate. Of course, the media would blow it up insanely if he did something though.

    When it comes down to it, I have absolutely ZERO fear of Jameis getting in any more trouble though. Zero.

  33. bucrightoff Says:

    Trading down is not necessarily out of “desperation”. If someone wants to give up the RGIII package, you say “Thanks, I’ll take 6 starters for one bust”. Bucs have lots of holes that can filled quicker with more picks. If we get 3 firsts and a could 2nds, and end up with a great offensive line out of it, is that really the end of the world? Conversely, if we draft a QB and the line doesn’t get fixed, isn’t that likely to be a total waste of the #1 overall pick?

  34. ADown88 Says:

    On another note, did anyone hear Lovie talking about how they are fielding offers “specifically for Mike Glennon”. An extra 3rd rounder sure would help.

  35. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    @A Down

    With all due respect you do not post like somebody who has NO fear Fameis will screw up again. You post very defensively. If you’re absolutely CERTAIN he won’t screw up then my post is a moot point.

    Yet you still try and downplay what EVERY NFL executive has been talking about…Fameis off field behavior. I guarantee you ALL of them are aware of his two suspensions and that one almost cost his team a conference championship. Those are simply facts. NO other player in the draft has that kind of baggage.

  36. ADown88 Says:


    I’m not sure you fully understand the point of a message board. At least to me, it is used to post my opinions and defend my opinions (key word defend). You could even call it arguing in a sense. So if I disagree with a post you make, I will typically tell you why I disagree with your post, not just ignore it.

    Executives talking about his past is research they are doing for the draft. This in no way shape or form effects (affects?) his discipline moving forward.

    I still don’t know what you mean by “I post like I am scared Jameis will do something in the future” (paraphrase). Because I defend my stance on a message board? Lol. Ok…

  37. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ll say it….

    Jameis Winston won’t screw up again off the field….

    That’s right I said. Mark it down.

  38. ADown88 Says:


    Stop it you are being too defensive.

  39. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    @A Down

    I hope you notice I prefaced my response with “all due respect”. I’m not trying to attack you but like you I enjoy the debate.

    Your response was exactly as you said a defense of your position with facts until the very last line.

    When it comes down to it, I have absolutely ZERO fear of Jameis getting in any more trouble though. Zero.

    Again if you’re absolutely certain then that renders the discussion moot because we won’t have to ever find out which of us was correct.

    BTW. While I can’t honestly say I share your “certainty” let me assure you I HOPE you’re right. IE I’m rooting for you!

  40. rayjay1122 Says:

    Trading down will equate to getting 6 starters in return for one bust??? LMAO!!! Can I get some of whatever you just smoked??? There is a much greater likely hood of getting busts over starters by trading down. Do not forget the track record of our scouting. The higher the pick the better the success rate. I am just thankful that we did not have the first pick last year and get stuck with Clowney. I know there is no guarantees that both QB prospects will become stars, but likewise, there is no guarantee that they will be busts and quite honestly, no guarantees that we would pick future stars by trading down and gaining picks. I would take one franchise QB over 3 to 5 solid or average starters at other positions. QB is the toughest position to obtain a great player, so if you are in this position now, you have to pounce on it. Sorry you feel differently because you are most likely going to be disappointed after the draft concludes. Now, how about that smoke???

  41. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Adown88


  42. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Breaking News

    Another site saying Lovie “leaning” Winston….but process still has a way to go….

    News at 11……

  43. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ St. Pete

    Watching this unfold is like being an alternate on a jury but not hearing any of the evidence….
    Winston’s character issues apparently have passed muster with the Bucs and I’m sure he was heavily scrutinized….we have none or very little of the evidence they have…..
    We have to respect their upcoming decision. Sure, I’m uneasy about it but I’m letting it go…..If Winston is our guy….as long as he deserves it….I’ll fight to defend him.

  44. rayjay1122 Says:

    I would wager that the pick will be Winston. What would be the big advantage of being deceptive about it at this point. It is protocol to play out the process and perform all due diligence however it is normal to have a front runner. Trading down makes no sense and nothing the Bucs have stated leads anyone to believe they will trade down. They of course will listen to offers but I think the price would be too steep. I actually think the Titans are in the better position to trade down if they are not sold on the other QB on the board after we pick.

  45. ADown88 Says:


    Thanks, hate that one.


    What are you Ricky Bobby now?

    “You can’t just say with all due respect and then say whatever you want”

    “That idea isn’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on”

  46. WS99 Says:

    My biggest worry is that L&L run out of time to make their selection. If the clock runs out before the pick is that would blow all our minds. Kinda like 12 men on the field – two plays in a row – after a timeout – taken immediate after halftime

  47. bucrightoff Says:

    The Rams got 6 starters for RGIII. If we’re lucky, we might too. Now they draft really well which helps, but it can be done. And if you say our track record of scouting is awful, isn’t having more picks better? If they suck, wouldn’t you rather have 5-10 tries instead of 1? Unless you’re suggesting the #1 pick is guaranteed to succeed (and the last 15 or so #1 picks strongly suggests otherwise)

  48. rayjay1122 Says:

    Your trade down points are actually coherent, but I will not be swayed. I would rather have a Queen than a Bishop, a couple of Knights and a Rook.

  49. Time Says:

    Steve D reporting that the 2nd accuser will now join the lawsuit and testify against Winston. That’s big folks. I’m sure the Winston slurpers will downplay it and disparage another innocent girl.

    This isn’t going away and Winston could be a serial rapist.

  50. Buc1987 Says:

    Oooh Time …I’m trembling!

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    Do us a favor Mr Patrick….give up already, surrender. No one cares anymore.

  52. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    @TBBF I’ve moved beyond the “character” questions and refined it down to a simple fact. Two suspensions from two different teams in two years with one jeopardizing his teams shot at a conference title.

    There are plenty here who truly do not really care IF Fameis raped her or not. They simply want to win. I totally agree with you we’ll never know about that. I’m will past it because we MUST presume innocence. I’m cool with that. But suspensions are real.


    Hey if you wish to choose to feel insulted rock on dude. Sorry I can’t help you with some ad hom or name calling but that’s just not my style.

  53. Time Says:

    I’m not Patrick and Joe can check my IP. They won’t match.

    87, you’re a big fan of the alleged serial rapist, are you not? You make excuse after excuse for him? Yes?

    The bottom line is that this will be a distraction for years and the Bucs don’t need this cloud hanging over them.

    How many girls have to come forward before you start doubting your boy?

  54. bucrightoff Says:

    I mean I’m not advocating trading down just to trade down, just if someone wants to give up a boatload of picks how can we say no? If we really wanna build through the draft, accumulating many premium picks is a good way to do it.

  55. Buc1987 Says:

    Time…I DON’T CARE.

    Thee end.

  56. ADown88 Says:


    I don’t feel insulted at all, and I wasn’t name calling, just quoting a movie. A comedy at that.

    Feeling a little sensitive today or what?

  57. ADown88 Says:


    3 people I ignore on this site, Barry, Curtis and Time.

  58. Buc1987 Says:

    Time….BUT just for shytes and giggles….why don’t you point me in the direction of where you heard this from?

    I’ll humor you. Show me where I can find this tidbit, nonsense.

  59. Time Says:

    @ Adown – Ignore? I picture you sitting there in front of your computer with your fingers in your ears screaming “I can’t hear you!!! Nanny-nanny boo-boo!!!”. LOL!

  60. Buc1987 Says:

    Tick tick tick tick tick…

    Do do do doo…doo doo doo…(theme from Jeopardy)

    What Time is it? Time for time to show me where he heard this nonsense.

  61. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    WS99 Says:
    March 25th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
    My biggest worry is that L&L run out of time to make their selection. If the clock runs out before the pick is that would blow all our minds. Kinda like 12 men on the field – two plays in a row – after a timeout – taken immediate after halftime

    No worry…..Winston will be there at 2…..

  62. Buc1987 Says:

    Did BD give you a place to find this supposed second accuser…or is he just spouting off at the mouth again.

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    Go to google. Punch in Jameis Winston second accuser. You get nothing…nada….zilch….zero…zip about some second accuser testifying.

    “Don’t go away mad….just go away.” Motley Crue

  64. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Sorry for misunderstanding you.

  65. Time Says:

    @ 1987 – the 2nd accuser had always been there but she wanted to remain anonymous. My guess is the way FSU fans treated Erica Kinsman.

    Duimeg talked about it on his show on my ride home from work.

    You can downplay it, cry about it, hope it goes away but the bottom line is that the Bucs don’t need this black cloud over them.

    Feel free to listen to the podcast and draw your own conclusions. I have a feeling the guy could be found covered in blood next to a dead body and some of you would spin as him trying to perform emergency surgery.

  66. ADown88 Says:


    Think there was some misunderstanding both ways.

  67. WS99 Says:

    Oh look it’s master time.

  68. ADown88 Says:

    Lol @ WS99

  69. Stanglassman Says:

    I am much more concerned with Mike Evans off the field behavior before I am with Jameis. In the past, present and going forward. My money would be on having trouble with him off the field before Jameis. Nobody seemed that overly concerned with him going into the draft.

  70. WalkdaPlank Says:

    What has Mike Evans done to warrant that concern, might I ask?

  71. Skyline Crew Says:

    Lovie also said that Winston needs to work on conditioning and mentioned if he were drafted by the Bucs they would have to get a nutritionist.

  72. Stanglassman Says:

    I thought we were all going to continue to Ignore the 2nd accuser crap. It’s been debunked repeatedly.

  73. Buc1987 Says:

    Stanglassman…we were but this fool comes on here saying that it’s breaking news and the the 2nd accuser is going to testify…and it will be a distraction….

  74. Stanglassman Says:

    The guy never has had a problem with his weight and still doesn’t. He had a high ankle sprain and he kept re aggravating by playing on it last season and is just recently getting it healthy. Can you think of any QBs in the NFL that had weight issues that effected their game? You don’t have to be ripped to be a great QB.

  75. Luther Says:

    rayjay1122 Says:
    March 25th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
    Your trade down points are actually coherent, but I will not be swayed. I would rather have a Queen than a Bishop, a couple of Knights and a Rook.


    I would take a Bishop, 2 Knights and a Rook against Magnus Carlsen and his queen and beat him into the ground. 🙂

    Trading down is still stupid though

  76. ADown88 Says:


    That they would have to get a nutritionist?? I would think the Bucs already have a nutritionist…

    By the way, just watched the entire hour long breakfast conference, lotta good stuff in there. If you watch that and don’t think Winston is the pick, you are lying to yourself.

  77. WS99 Says:

    I’m laughing at these weight comments. I’d like to see Mariota post a pic with his shirt off (not really) just to compare the two but Mariota too scared to post anything. So what are you comparing it to? Your own perception of how he should look? Wash board abs, etc. yet tebow had too many muscles. Can’t win for nothing. Get over it!

  78. Skyline Crew Says:

    I just said what Lovie said. Obviously, he thinks it could be a problem. Sorry you guys don’t like what he said.

  79. Bucfan4life Says:

    Hey skyline whatever you do don’t look on bucsnation.com. You won’t want to read what a less biased site has concluded after listening to Lovie, Licht, and the owner’s comments this week. You really need to stop criticizing our soon to be shiny new toy! Jameis will be a Buc!

  80. Buc1987 Says:

    ADown88 …some of them will bury their head in the sand until the bitter end I guess. They’ll come around.

  81. ADown88 Says:

    He actually said:

    Reporter: “Do you think you could improve his conditioning? What do you think he can improve on?”

    “That’s one part, you say, ‘What can improve?’ Us getting him on proper nutrition. Lifting. Getting him in the weight room,” Smith said. “When I say he’s an immature athlete, he hasn’t a chance to really develop his body. You say, ‘Jameis, what are you least proud of?’ He’ll say, ‘The 40-yard dash. I was embarrassed.'”

    That’s far from “we will have to hire a nutritionist.”

  82. Skyline Crew Says:

    Thanks for repeating what I said.

  83. ADown88 Says:

    Then he went on discussing how he will end up being a much better athlete then he currently is.

  84. Buc1987 Says:

    Yahoo sports as well. It’s been over for about 10 days now for me. I wasn’t just spouting off when I said, I have never been more confident about anything in my 44 years on this earth.

    Anything else that gets said the rest of the way, is just frosting on the cake.

  85. ADown88 Says:

    Then he went on discussing how he will end up being a much better athlete then people think.

  86. Mike10 Says:

    Funny how the best player plays now, but when he brought in a journeyman that he himself had cut in the past, he gave McCown the keys to the kingdom before the ink dried on the contract…

  87. Skyline Crew Says:

    Us getting him on proper nutrition implies they’ll use their team nutritionist. Some of you guys are ridiculous.

  88. Buc1987 Says:

    Mike10….YUP…that’s exactly what I was thinking when I read that.

  89. Skyline Crew Says:


    I actually go to Bucsnation most of the time to get unbiased articles. I don’t trust Joe to give the truth. He usually only gives half a story to fit his agenda. Yeah, i Know Joe has made us fully aware he doesn’t care what we think and he only post what he wants to post. No Journalistic integrity here.

  90. ADown88 Says:

    No, your first post made it sound like we would have to bring in some outside help to get him in shape because he needs so much help. Every rook gets nutrition and strength training. Every team if different on that… So of course they would go through the protocol. I don’t think Jameis is in perfect shape by any means, but you try to make it sound like he is some fat blob that eats nothing but burgers all day and can’t run 30 yards without being gassed.

  91. Bucfan4life Says:

    Yeah ’87 I am reading the posts for entertainment purposes only at this point. I really like to read the trade down posts the best. Guys are so passionate about it even though Licht is now on record saying we are not going to trade away a shot at a franchise QB. Geez! Why are they still acting like that is a possibility.

  92. Buc1987 Says:

    Every day for the last 2 months I Google the name Jameis Winston. Even before I come onto JBF. Just so I can read what others are saying out there.

    Google it right now. Then click on more news. It’s littered with different sites all saying just about the same thing. They all point to Winston. It’s in their headlines as well.

    It’s ovah.

  93. Skyline Crew Says:

    I don’t know why you thought they would go outside to get him one. Maybe all that hate in you Winston lovers gets to you sometimes. He does like fast food. Went an ate burgers after the National Championship game. He did gain a lot of weight. Lost a little bit before the combine and appears to have gained some of it back. The fact that he can’t outrun some linemen should be a concern. If he had posted a 4.7 or 4.75 I don’t think it would bas big of an issue, but 4.9. SLOW. Glennon posted a 4.9 and everyone talks about how slow he is.

  94. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ve googled Jameis Winston every day for the last 2 months. Today was a monumental day. Go for a search yourself…

    And Joe what’s with this awaiting moderation thingy you keep hitting me with.

    I see no wrong in what I just posted. I can’t find the bad word.

  95. Luther Says:

    Skyline Crew Says:
    March 25th, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    I actually go to Bucsnation most of the time to get unbiased articles.


    Sander is NOT unbiased. He has stated many times that he prefers Mariota. Maybe you want to read more articles about Mariota but he is not unbiased. You may want to try the Titans websites since they may draft him.

  96. Buc1987 Says:

    And Brady’s was what over 5 in the 40….

    Where I’m from, they call that nitpicking.

  97. ADown88 Says:

    Your exact words, not mine.

    “if he were drafted by the Bucs they would have to get a nutritionist.”

  98. Skyline Crew Says:

    @Luther You must not have been there lately. Sanders wrote an article about Lovie leaning Winston.

    @Buc1987 Brady wasn’t drafted #1 either.

  99. Skyline Crew Says:

    Sorry ADown88, meant to say “they would have to get HIM a nutritionist”.

  100. ADown88 Says:

    Understandable mistake. Then I agree, they would have him on a diet and workout routine. But I would think they would do that with everyone. Like Lovie said though, I think he will be a much better athlete than he is now. Jameis is a hard worker, he will be where he needs to be when he gets in OBP.

  101. Buc1987 Says:

    Skyline…that’s irrelevant can Brady play QB with such a high 40 time?

  102. Bucfan4life Says:

    So skyline are you happy that Winston is coming to tampa? They have all basically stated now that they will be taking Winston number 1. Joe was biased because he knew early on what many of us did. Jameis had to be the guy. Now that the decision makers at one Buc place have confirmed it we can just be happy that the debate is over. I am focused on rounds 2-7 and free agency because we need to protect the franchise with good offensive linemen.

  103. Skyline Crew Says:

    I hope he does.

  104. ADown88 Says:

    Jameis man not have had a good 40 time, but he is elusive as hell. I’d even say more elusive than Mariota. Go watch his highlights.

  105. Mike10 Says:

    87 + Adown, Brady is slow and Big Ben is fat – what makes them good isn’t just their intangibles but being students of the game… I hope he’s got what it takes between the ears

  106. Luther Says:

    @Skyline I go there everyday. The point is he’s not unbiased. He has stated that he writes Winston articles because he thinks that’s what is going to happen.

  107. Buc1987 Says:

    Phillip Rivers ran a 5.08 at the combine.

    Tom Brady ran a 5.26 at the combine.

    Eli Mannng ran a 4.92 at the combine.

  108. Skyline Crew Says:

    I told you all from the beginning that I was prepared for 4 scenarioa if they came. Mariota, Winston, Williams/Fowler, trade down. I”m fine. I’m not thrilled with the Winston pick because I prefer Mariota and still do, but I don’t get paid to make the pick.

  109. ADown88 Says:

    Never seen Tom Brady do this… And there are plenty more.


  110. Skyline Crew Says:


  111. Buc1987 Says:

    Mike10 Says:
    March 25th, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    “87 + Adown, Brady is slow and Big Ben is fat – what makes them good isn’t just their intangibles but being students of the game… I hope he’s got what it takes between the ears”

    Have you not heard people comparing his football IQ to Peyton Manning’s?

  112. Skyline Crew Says:

    Great video of poor tackling.

  113. Skyline Crew Says:

    Eli Manning is a mediocre QB. Tom Brady has a great line we do not.

  114. ADown88 Says:

    Oh come on… Lol. Nobody could even touch him. Followed blocks, hiked the crap outta the next guy, blew through the end zone line… And he plays faster than you would think.

  115. Buc1987 Says:

    He ran a 4.65 in high school and that wasn’t that long ago…

    I like most of the analysts out there don;t care about what his 40 time is. He’s a QB. The 40 means nada to me.

  116. ADown88 Says:

    Juked *

  117. Skyline Crew Says:

    Sure he is good on a white board. So is Mariota. It is when you are on the field where it counts. Winston has problems with underneath coverage. That will be a big hurdle for him. Hopefully he can do it in the game. Same for his throwing motion. Hopefully it will improve. Don’t tell me about the combine either. I’m talking in a game.

  118. Mike10 Says:

    Ya that excites the hell out of me; i’ve heard the smartest football IQ in the last decade.

  119. Bucfan4life Says:

    Lol. He’s still in denial adown. He won’t give him any credit even though he is going to be out there at Ray Jay on Sundays next fall.

  120. Buc1987 Says:

    If you read The Legend of Jameis Winston. It details as to why he’s so smart.

    It’s almost Tiger Woods like. This kid learned how to draw up plays at a every young age. He had personal trainer at a very young age.

    One could say he was bred to play QB at every young age.

  121. Buc1987 Says:

    Typos galore….

  122. ADown88 Says:

    Complete denial.

    Going to bed. Night fellas.

  123. Skyline Crew Says:

    He also weighed 200 lbs in HS. gained 40 lbs in three years.

  124. Buc1987 Says:

    Eh…leave Skyline alone. He’s not a penis like the rest of them.

    He just wants what we all want, and that’s to start winning.

  125. WS99 Says:


    My bad I didn’t even read the comments before I ran my mouth. My bad brother.

  126. WS99 Says:

    Btw I wrote that before reading what 87 wrote. Lol

  127. WS99 Says:


    If we can get AD we are playoff bound. Take a screenshot, picture, write it down. Idgaf

  128. Stanglassman Says:

    There are a lot of people on here who are slowly softening their dislike for Jameis. I don’t know if it’s because they see the writing on the wall or they finally educated themselves about who Jameis actually is instead of the horrible media perception he had as recently as a month ago. I’m sure there will always be a few (Bonzai) but I don’t think it will be nearly as bad a PR move as the fans & the organization once thought.

  129. todd Says:

    who cares give the rookie the rock we are pretty much starting over this is year 2 of a long rebuild coming

  130. RealkillersmoveinSilence Says:

    But Winston can’t and won’t do this

    Marcus Mariota 42 yard TD run vs Oregon St. 2012: https://youtu.be/sSaeVsBQCHM

  131. Bucfan4life Says:

    Unfortunately Todd I would consider this year one of the rebuild. The majority of last years additions were epic failures and outside of a Evans they are basically starting from scratch. Unless they pick up some linemen I would almost prefer Jameis to stay on the bench until next year. No need to get him killed. Having said that man do I hope they find a way to protect him. It may be a little bumpy his rookie season but excited to see him out there at RayJay. We finally have a chance at having one of the top QBs in the league.

    Duemig said something yesterday that I agree with. This pick is the most important decision in the history of the franchise.

  132. Buc1987 Says:

    Bucfan4life Says:

    “BD said something yesterday that I agree with. This pick is the most important decision in the history of the franchise.”

    For once I agree with that radio guy. I wouldn’t want have to be the one to make this pick. All Buc fans are counting on them to choose the right one.