Father Dungy Talk Of Lovie Trading Down

March 27th, 2015

Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy

Those with heart conditions, stomach disorders, and/or violence issues while under stress should not keep reading.

Last night on ProFootballTalk on NBC Sports Network, there was talk of Lovie Smith trading the No. 1 overall pick. But it wasn’t just idle speculation.

The banter came from ProFootballTalk.com guru Mike Florio, friend and NBC colleague of Tony Dungy, one of Lovie’s friends and mentors.

“You never know who’s going to blow you away with a trade offer that you can’t refuse,” Florio explained. “I recall Tony Dungy, who previously worked with Lovie Smith in Tampa saying, ‘You know what? Lovie may be inclined to trade down if he can get a lot of picks and address a lot of areas. Lovie may not be convinced he needs a franchise quarterback to win.'”

So is Father Dungy really communicating regularly with Lovie? The answer is, “Yes.” Lovie told Joe and media on Wednesday morning at the NFL Owners Meetings in Phoenix that “I’ve had a few conversations with Tony, to say the least.” The context was that Father Dungy has been in Lovie’s ear about the virtues of drafting QB Marcus Mariota.

Lovie also left the door open to the trade-down route, saying, “There are mega deals that have come up. So that’s why you just can’t … you have to keep your options open.”

Yes, the thought of trading down and denying destiny — aka drafting Jameis Winston — makes Joe ill. But this is not a new concept for Joe. Lovie has proven to be very unpredictable when it comes to personnel.

179 Responses to “Father Dungy Talk Of Lovie Trading Down”

  1. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Of course trading down for multiple picks is the prefered Rx for this franchise…no if ands or buts !

  2. TheDon Says:

    Can the draft hurry up and get here. These “takes” are getting tiresome. Jameis will be the pick. Time to stop the non sense.

  3. tmaxcon Says:

    Quickest way for Lovie to return to the Basement is to listen to anything dungy has to say about offense and or quarterbacks. Winston is the only choice but Lovie is stubborn and foolish enough to screw it up.

  4. The Real Malloy Says:

    I mean, if we can get a starting LT,DE,RG and maybe even a mike LB…why not? If you hit on all 3, possibly 4, you roll with Glennon and were looking at the possibility of a major turn-around with a super young nucleus of talent.

    If lovie can get the picks, he’s trading down folks…you can write it down.

  5. TheDon Says:

    Joe joes is trolling. No way you’re that mindless.

  6. TheDon Says:

    Lol! The anti Winston supporters/ mariotta guys are now jumping to the trade down group! Lmao!!!

  7. sandogbuc Says:

    buts it’s not Lovie’s call to make. I can only imagine the meeting with Bryan and Joel Glazer and saying they are passing on a franchise QB to pick up extra draft picks.

    The Glazer boys would never ok such a move, Ray Jay would be empty and we would still need a franchise QB

  8. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    I have been advocating “Trade Down Twice in the first round “…….since we locked up the 1st overall pick…..I just stopped posting it as I figured everyone here was as tired reading it as I am reading Joe pimping Jameis 1.75 times a day /average

  9. Buctebow Says:

    If the Titans gave us their whole draft plus an OT, then I would do it. Then we would still get Mariota at least and even with 50% misses on the picks, we would have to fill many of the holes we have.

  10. robert 9 Says:

    careful fungi, common sense could make some heads explode up in here!

  11. mac Says:

    If we get a deal like the Redskins offered the Rams a few years back I would be fine with trading back… We could rebuild the line and find a starting calibur defensive end and add some quality depth throughout the roster…

    Winston has tremendous upside and has the potential to be a solid franchise QB… I would say its a 50/50 chance he either shines or crashes and burns…

    I would take the draft picks rebuild this crap roster and use one of the picks on Bryce Petty… I think he has a great arm and amazing touch and accuracy… He re inds me of David Carr and he is a great guy and teammate…

  12. robert 9 Says:

    the trade down is for MM, no one wants winston. so we would be trading with philly.

  13. mac Says:


  14. robert 9 Says:

    I think at the end of the day chip kelly is smart enough to know that the bucs are stupid enough to take winston. he calls our bluff and trades with the titans and we get stuck with #thecreepycrab

  15. The Real Malloy Says:

    I love how adament and 100 percent sure you all are that we will draft Winston…..

    We have an oppurtunity to fill ALOT of holes with this 1st pick. Im not saying Winston is a bad choice…but there is risk involved. If L&L miss on this move…their days in Tampa are numbered. They’ll go with the safer pick IF, and only IF, someone goes nuts and gives up the farm to move to 1.

  16. Andrew 1 Says:

    We are drafting Winston. Just think of the fan lose if we dont at this point.

    and I’m posting this again.

    I just think its unbelievable that people willingly dive right in to Winston’s personal life and feel the need to condemn him for the wrong choices that he’s made. Just imagine if a group of people had a microscope over your life. Are you so perfect that you would have absolutely nothing to hide or be ashamed of? No! My guess is you would also want those people holding the microscope to be more concerned about there own faults, since they also are not perfect. Here’s a thought, since we are football fans, lets just be concerned about Winston the football player and let Winston the person be judged by the legal system if needed. Honestly, its gotten to a point where if someone said if you pass on the best QB in the draft, people will stop taking delight in trying to take this kid down, I would say yes!

  17. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    “and we get stuck with #thecreepycrab”
    and the Titans reap the multiple picks…and all the talking heads running the draft show fall all over themselves talking about the block buster trade and the genius Chip Kelly……L&L and Jameis @ home are left on hold as no one is interested in that lame old Bucs story…Bwhahahahahaha

  18. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    @ Andrew
    “I just think its unbelievable that people willingly dive right in to Winston’s personal life and feel the need to condemn him for the wrong choices that he’s made. ”
    it is no longer his “personal” life….this becomes his public life and legal public record…..Jameis “WILL BE” in the new once he is drafted for all the wrong reasons….his past is coming back loud and will be a massive distraction for him and any franchise that takes him !!!!

  19. robert 9 Says:

    the bucs have done a horrible job of PR if they indeed wanted to make MM the implied #1 pick.

    it’s all guess work, except for knowing #whostolemycrablegs

  20. Jim Says:

    Let the numbers speak for themselves. Winston 18 picks last season against college kids. How many picks will he throw against NFL players? Turnovers = losses.

  21. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    Somewhere 87 is chugging Pepto like Budweiser after reading this article. I’m actually good with just about any scenario that doesn’t involve is putting the pick in late (losing it) or a deal that brings Mike Vick to Tampa…only thing souring me to Winston a little is Joe’s and a few others constant mancrush comments…but I’m ok if that’s who they go with. I still prefer trade down, roll with Glennon, trade up in 2016 for Hackenberg if QB is needed, but however it plays out is good

  22. Ray Rice Says:

    Dungy is the last person to take into account when it comes to football. He couldn’t win a SB with one of the best defenses ever assembled, and only won one SB a with one of the greatest QB’s to ever play. Yes, the Patriots were good at the time but he should have won more. The only reason he has a ring is because he got put into a good situation with Manning. On the other hand if it wasn’t for Rex Grossman Lovieball would have beat him on that SB Sunday as well.

  23. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ JoeJoes Fungi Nails

    No matter how much media attention someone gets thrust upon them, everyone deserves a personal life.

  24. bucco brice Says:

    Yahoooo! thank god for Father Dungy…makes total sense…”deny destiny”?…the so called savior is a gamble and crap shoot…sustainable franchise success is not built with one lonely player…add Petty or Grayson as a QB later is a better route and fill the roster with high draft picks…

  25. Andrew 1 Says:

    And I’m not going to defend what I said. I believe it and no one is going to change my mind about it.

  26. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Stop gripping. Neither of these QB’s is like Andrew Luck or John Elway.

    BOTH have questions surrounding them. Toss in the Heisman jinx and you have to realize there are some serious fears about selecting EITHER one of them.

    But that’s what should comfort you Winstonites. NOBODY in the league is going to spend that much to trade up. We DON’T have the choice about trading down because there will be no dance partners!!!

    The ONLY way Lovie could get away at this point without selecting one of the “franchise QB’s” would be to score mega picks like the Rams did with RGIII.

    Teams learned from that experience. The Rams already had their franchise QB in Bradford, this was before all the injuries. They could afford to accept the skins deal because they didn’t need a QB.

    Nobody is as stupid as Snyder and the Bucs clearly DO need a franchise QB.

    I’m going with 80% Fameis 15% MM 5% or less we trade down.

    The other issue is that there is no Clowney or Mario Williams in this draft. Quite honestly I don’t see a true #1 player at any position which means we’re not going to have any option other than deciding between Fameis and MM.

  27. bucs4lyfe Says:

    doesn’t seem like lovie or the bucs agree with dungy about drafting mariota and just because someone is in your ear or talking to you it doesn’t mean you have to listen. lovie’s name is not glazer and he is not making that pick without telling the glazers who that pick is. having said that if someone blows lovie away with a ridiculous you cant refuse chances are you’ll be able to get a franchise quarterback next year:

    Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
    Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State

    I want the quarterback but more than that I want wins

  28. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    @Andrews..of he deserves a personal life….please give me one example of the media or this site discussing Jameis personal life….I really can’t recall any examples

  29. fastclipper4444 Says:

    Neither school has provided an NFL calibre QB.

    Secondly, look at the QBs who have won the Heisman and been successful.

    Why over react? You never know what some other team may offer that’s too good to pass up.

    Wait and see; show some patience.

  30. TheDon Says:

    I can’t keep up with the idiocy of some of these posters. They have to be trolling.

  31. Clint Says:

    How many times does it need to be said that it’s not truly Lovie’s call. It isn’t. Not on something this big. It’s just not his call. It is ownership and GM, but especially ownership. Too many dollars riding on the line. It is not a matter of Lovie Smith who is not a QB Guru deciding he doesn’t want a franchise QB. It’s just not that simple.

  32. rayjay1122 Says:

    Every time someone brings up the mega deal that the Rams received in the RG III
    deal, I ask myself, how many championships have the Rams won since that deal??? Answer: none. Enough said!!!

  33. Lev in Philly Says:

    The Glazers are making the pick.

  34. robert 9 Says:

    stpete is right

    the pick will almost certainly be jameis cosby

  35. robert 9 Says:

    winston i mean

  36. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I want one of the quarterbacks…..but there is always a price…..if enough picks/players are offered….who is to say it’s a bad deal….everytbing has it’s price.

    I think a very interested trading partner could be the Jets….@ 6 they still have a high enough pick to select an impact player…..I don’t like the prospect of Phil @ 20…..they would have to pay too much.

    For those who say don’t trade no matter what……how about the Browns both first rounders, 2nd, 3rd….and next year’s 1st, 2nd & 3rd?……seriously now….you would turn that down?

  37. Clint Says:

    Lol! The anti Winston supporters/ mariotta guys are now jumping to the trade down group! Lmao!!!

    Only place for them to go. It’s really pathetic.

  38. MarshallU Says:

    As much as I like Mariota (Winston not so much) I really do think trading down would be the smartest thing to do if the right deal came along. Bucs just have too many holes to fill and one player will not make a difference

  39. rayjay1122 Says:

    Here is an excerpt from Pro Football Talk which I fully agree with. Trading down is a raw deal if the #1 pick turns out to be a franchise QB.

    “So in the end, Washington got Robert Griffin III while St. Louis got Greg Robinson, Alec Ogletree, Stedman Bailey, Zac Stacy, Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Isaiah Pead and Rokevious Watkins. That looks like quite a haul for the Rams, but if Griffin can stay healthy and look like the franchise quarterback he seemed on his way to being as a rookie, it’s entirely possible that in the future, Rams fans will wish their team had just stayed put and drafted RG3. PFT Planet, tell us who you think won this trade.”

  40. JTHV Says:

    If Jameis wasn’t in this draft, I’d be on board with trading down for a ransom of picks.

    Outside of Jameis, there’s no clear cut franchise changer but there are a number of solid football players. Many of whom will fall into 2nd-4th rounds.

  41. robert 9 Says:

    @st pete

    philly already moved to the #10 spot, their going after MM

  42. lurker Says:

    we didn’t tank the last quarter to not pick a qb. the number 2 pick position would have been better if they wanted to trade.

  43. WS99 Says:

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. No garuntee were going to hit on any of the extra picks. Last I checked every playoff team with the exception of 2 had a first round qb leading the team.

  44. Celly Says:

    robert 9 Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    @st pete

    philly already moved to the #10 spot, their going after MM

    You see, its FOOLISHNESS like this why you drive me (and others) crazy. You just spew nonsense and act like its truth. Please provide me some, ANY information that says that is true, because on the website owned by the NFL, the Rams still have the 10th pick.

    That was one quick simple google search.

    Lord have mercy.

  45. lurker Says:

    “philly already moved to the #10 spot, their going after MM”

    and you continually show that you do not know what you are talking about! smh

    just do yourself a favor and keep quiet.

  46. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “robert 9 Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    @st pete

    philly already moved to the #10 spot”

    No, they didn’t. They are still at 20.

  47. BirdDoggers Says:

    Lovie’s commitment/non-commitment to Glennon speaks volumes. The Bucs have no QB unless Glennon is their guy. If Glennon was the guy, Lovie could just reaffirm his commitment from last year. He hasn’t.

    The Glazers are a big factor. Taking a QB with the first pick would have the largest positive impact on their bottom line. The Glazers might leave their hired staff to make the football decisions, but Lovie and Licht will be influenced by ownership, one way or another.

  48. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    ^^Perfect example of why his opinion of Jameis is so uninformed. Doesn’t even try to look for the answer.

  49. OAR Says:

    “The Glazers are making the pick.”

    Now that will give you heart conditions and stomach disorders!!

  50. bucrightoff Says:

    Bad team, years away, needs to fill lots of holes. Of course you trade down if someone makes a superior offer. This isn’t a young team either (they are a middle aged team, NFL age wise). Don’t know how anyone can be against acquiring 4-6 premium picks if someone offers it.

  51. Nick2 Says:

    Lovie may not have a job if Lovie thinks like that.

  52. robert 9 Says:

    OH NO. Robert 9 was wrong once and forgot to google something.


    lick my nuts lurker, love, celly

  53. Luther Says:

    @robert…the Eagles did NOT move up and they are stuck with Bradford. Some of these posts today are just crazy. I think you get more useful stuff digging in the back of your underwear.

  54. Celly Says:

    Its not that you were “wrong for once”, the amount of level you were wrong on. You spew BS like it’s gospel without ANY knowledge or research.

    Rather than take 2 seconds to look something up and verify yourself, you’d rather just write something and hope someone believes you without verifying your wrongness.

    LOL at “wrong for once”.

  55. robert 9 Says:

    trailer park boys, season 9, just out!!!!!!!!!!

  56. Chef Paul Says:

    Pick Winston. Pick Williams. Trade down. I’d be a happy camper if we do any of those. The only thing that would bother me is if we draft Mariota. We already have a Qb that’s better than Mariota

  57. rayjay1122 Says:

    Here is the full article I referenced earlier for all of you trade down supporters. There is no way I would endorse trading down. Just look at how clouded it got for the Rams and they did not get a franchise QB. Now they do not have Bradford and have the Eagles scraps in Foles. Take the franchise QB and don’t look back!!!!


    Posted by Michael David Smith on May 12, 2014, 9:09 AM EDT
    Robert Griffin III
    The Rams sent the pick that became Robert Griffin III to Washington and received a first-round pick in 2012, a second-round pick in 2012, a first-round pick in 2013 and a first-round pick in 2014. Now that the 2014 NFL draft is over, we can examine what the Rams got.

    That first-round pick this year was No. 2 overall, and the Rams spent it on Greg Robinson, an offensive tackle from Auburn. He’s the final piece of the Griffin trade.

    In the 2013 draft, the Rams traded Washington’s first-round pick to Atlanta and received Atlanta’s 2013 first-, third-, and sixth-round picks. With the Falcons’ first-round pick, the Rams took linebacker Alec Ogletree. With the Falcons’ third-round pick, the Rams took receiver Stedman Bailey. The Rams later packaged their own sixth-round pick and the Falcons’ sixth-round pick to move up and take running back Zac Stacy.

    In the 2012 draft, the Rams used Washington’s second-round pick on cornerback Janoris Jenkins. The Rams sent Washington’s first-round pick to Dallas for the Cowboys’ first- and second-round picks. With the Cowboys’ first-round pick, the Rams drafted defensive tackle Michael Brockers. With the Cowboys’ second-round pick, the Rams made another trade with the Bears, getting Chicago’s second- and fifth-round picks. With the Bears’ second-round pick, the Rams drafted running back Isaiah Pead. With the Bears’ fifth-round pick, the Rams drafted guard Rokevious Watkins.

    So in the end, Washington got Robert Griffin III while St. Louis got Greg Robinson, Alec Ogletree, Stedman Bailey, Zac Stacy, Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Isaiah Pead and Rokevious Watkins. That looks like quite a haul for the Rams, but if Griffin can stay healthy and look like the franchise quarterback he seemed on his way to being as a rookie, it’s entirely possible that in the future, Rams fans will wish their team had just stayed put and drafted RG3. PFT Planet, tell us who you think won this trade.

  58. Bucsfanman Says:

    I’m convinced that the Bucs will not take a QB with the 1st pick. Besides, I don’t know what many of you are smoking but whatever QB the Bucs may or may not pick does not equal W’s. ONE guy is not going to make that much difference. This team has more holes than swiss cheese!
    The pick is in…DE from USC

  59. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “robert 9 Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    wrong once”

    If only…..

  60. Buccfan37 Says:

    The tide has washed in, there is Winston beached off the causeway in inner Tampa bay. He is waving from a boat. Might as well take the chance, if he is good that takes a lot of pressure off the owners and coaches, not to mention the fans desire for a good team that wins more than what has been stinking up the place regularly. If Winston does not work out according to the majorities opinion, no big deal. Hit or miss involves a gamble. Trading down for extra help is tempting. Take the QB.

  61. WS99 Says:

    Is williams a 4-3 DE? He looks like a 3tech to me. We might as well had kept clayborn if we wanted a big slow DE.

    Qb, de, ol, ol, pr, ol, ol

  62. Erik the WiseMMan Says:

    #Mariotasteamismynewfavoriteteam #BucsdeservetosuckiftheypickWinstonassonMariota

  63. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol of course Robert 9 would be all over this section.

    1. Everyone has a consensus opinion that there is a HUGE dropoff at QB after Winston/Mariota. If we trade down we might as well say f*ck the QB position.

    2. A franchise QB is more valuable than 3-4 probowlers at other positions. That’s assuming you even get those calibur players with your draft picks. Would you rather start a team with JJ Watt/ Russel Okung / Luke Keuckly or would you feel better if someone said you could start your team with Andrew Luck? Give me Luck 100 out of 100 times. Those other elite players would have their talents go to waste on teams with Mike Glennons and Josh McCowns or Matt Cassels or Matt Schaubs / etc /etc.

    3. The Bucs are talking as if they are fielding Glennon offers. Why the f*ck would they field offers for Glennon if they weren’t planning on taking a QB? They’d be left with nobody at the most important position.

    4. This is all stupid in the end. They have quotes of Lovie literally saying that it would not be an incorrect assumption to think they are going to take Winston at this point. Light has said they have to take a franchise QB if they believe the opportunity to get one exists.

    We are taking Winston; and he will dramatically improve this team. Just be happy 🙂

  64. Jeagan1999 Says:

    ALL options are on the table. Anybody who says they “know” for sure the Bucs are taking this guy or that guy is full of crap! We will find out more in the final few days leading up to the Draft. If the BUCS were absolutely sold on a particular guy, there would be no reason to hide it or pretend otherwise…..we can take anyone we want with the #1 pick!

  65. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Erik the WiseMMan Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    #Mariotasteamismynewfavoriteteam #BucsdeservetosuckiftheypickWinstonassonMariota”

    Your confidence in waning.

  66. Celly Says:

    Bucsfanman Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    I’m convinced that the Bucs will not take a QB with the 1st pick. Besides, I don’t know what many of you are smoking but whatever QB the Bucs may or may not pick does not equal W’s. ONE guy is not going to make that much difference. This team has more holes than swiss cheese!

    The Colts drafted one guy and they went from 1 win to 11 wins.

    I GUARANTEE that if the Bucs take [insert whichever rookie QB you prefer here], he’ll lead us to more wins than we had this season and even more wins that Glennon has had his entire Bucs career.

    WS99 Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    Is williams a 4-3 DE? He looks like a 3tech to me. We might as well had kept clayborn if we wanted a big slow DE.

    Per Walterfootball.com – Charlie Campbell:

    -Adept at shedding blocks
    -Tough at the point of attack
    -Can use hands and feet at the same time
    -Quick feet
    -Can beat tackles and guards in the pass rush
    -Good run-defender
    Ideal length for a 3-4 end
    -Closes well for a heavy end
    -Has speed around the corner
    -Can play with good leverage
    -Uses bull rush to push the pocket
    Perfect fit as a 3-4 end
    -Can play 4-3 end and tackle
    -Experienced 3-year starter
    -Toughness; plays banged up

    That’s not to say he couldn’t play DE in a 4-3, as stated by Campbell’s assessment, but if he is drafted here and doesn’t succeed, everyone will complain that Lovie is trying to force him into playing a position that he’s not comfortable playing. I’d much rather go after a prototypical 4-3 DE…

    Erik the WiseMMan Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    #Mariotasteamismynewfavoriteteam #BucsdeservetosuckiftheypickWinstonassonMariota

    I think I speak for everyone when i say you won’t be missed.

    Also, when you DO come back (cause we all know you will) with a different username, don’t forget to change the link or else we’ll all know its you…

  67. Ed Says:

    It is all in theory. If someone came with a mike Ditka/Ricky Williams deal,hell why not? The reality is there is NO ONE in the NFL that is that stupid. If The new OC likes Glennon over the top two qb’s load up on other talent . Get another project QB and pray you have the amo to trade up next year. There are so many wholes, I’d rather see more picks than just 7. So if they take jameis turn everything you can for multiple picks and players. Take a 5 and 6 for Glennon instead of a 3 or 4. Try to Trade all picks in rounds 2-7 for additional picks and or players. For example Mankins is a better deal for patriots because they got a pick AND a player.

  68. rayjay1122 Says:

    Everyone who thinks that we can win with a back up QB, remember back to our Super Bowl winning season. Brad Johnson was a starting caliber QB and when he was playing, the team won. When he was injured and Rob Johnson stepped in, it looked like an entirely different team. The QB is the field general and is therefore the most critical position to have a starting caliber player and even better if you can obtain a franchise level, perennial Pro Bowl caliber QB. If the Bucs view either Winston or Mariota as a very possible franchise QB if not at the very least a solid starter, then we would be crazy to pass on this rare opportunity. Come on people, pull your heads out!!!

  69. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    3. The Bucs are talking as if they are fielding Glennon offers. Why the f*ck would they field offers for Glennon if they weren’t planning on taking a QB? They’d be left with nobody at the most important position.

    Pretty simple answer…if someone gives them a deal they can’t refuse they’ll trade ANY player on the roster. Same logic that is fueling the trade down argument…any pick is tradeable for the right compensation

  70. Ed Says:

    Wholes not holes. ( but our whole o-line sucks, our whole backfield is impotent, and our whole qb room is lacking)

  71. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    That trade has done wonders for the Rams! They are considered on of the real rising teams in the NFL. Their biggest problem at this point is the lack of a QB unless you think Nick Foles is the answer.

    That’s not on the Rams. They had invested the top pick in the draft on a QB just a couple of years earlier. Sound familiar?

  72. bucrightoff Says:

    The Rams are so far ahead of the Bucs. That trade was exceptional for them. Rams were a few plays away from going 9-7 with Shaun Hill and Austin Davis. Yes having a good QB is nice, having a great team is better. Baltimore has made the playoffs 6 of 7 seasons with Flacco, but that has maybe 10% to do with him. They have a great team, that is why they keep competing. Bucs are a loooooong way away from being good.

  73. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @ St Pete. The Rams still have 0 playoff appearances to show while the Redskins made the playoffs with RG3. They are going to continue to be mediocre until they get good QB play.

    If RG3 never got hurt and went to St Louis; they could have made multiple playoffs for all we know.

    The point is; that even in a HUGE haul of a trade; it is still even debatable that it was worth it. That’s how important QBs are.

    A lot of teams in the NFL are up and coming now adays. There is a ton of parity; and a ton of turnaround year to year with teams going from bad to good or good to bad. The ONLY consistent thing with winning teams is QB play. It is literally the ONLY variable that is extremely consistent in this sport.

  74. Keepitreal Says:

    You need a franchise QB. The teams that have one are always in the hunt. You people that want to trade down are true dumb a**es!!

  75. rayjay1122 Says:

    At the end of the day we all have our opinions but mine just happen to be the right ones!!! LOL No really, I respect everyone’s takes and I agree with the argument that we have a lot of holes to fill so trading down would help in that regards IF we hit some home-runs in those picks. I do not trust the Bucs scouting enough to think we would score many home-runs though and since the QB position is so critical and very hard to address outside of the draft, I really think the Bucs have to take one of these QB’s if they are sold on him in all areas. Now weather they are sold on one of these guys in reality remains to be seen. Is it April 30th yet???

  76. WS99 Says:

    Ty celly

  77. rayjay1122 Says:

    @Lord Cornelius


  78. lurker Says:

    “OH NO. Robert 9 was wrong once and forgot to google something.


    of the horror, indeed!

    it is not about just not researching something. this is just another example in a multitude that shows your incompetence and ignorance in talking about football in general, and buccaneer’s football in particular.

  79. Keepitreal Says:

    If you trade down you are extremely lucky to hit on 50%. Franchise QB or a couple backups… Got to have some balls and go QB. Talking to bunch of ladies on here.

  80. Pickgrin Says:

    “Father Dungy has been in Lovie’s ear about the virtues of drafting QB Marcus Mariota”

    New Rule – Lovie and Dungy are ONLY allowed to talk about defense.

  81. Bucsqb12 Says:

    Normally I wouldn’t agree. But the way MG8 was handled last year made no sense. It was almost like Louvie was protecting Glennon once the season was lost with no O line and no OC. He just let McCown take the beating for the rest of the year and saved his QB of the future. Which is now. Can’t wait for the draft party!!!!

  82. bucrightoff Says:

    Lord Cornelius Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
    @ St Pete. The Rams still have 0 playoff appearances to show while the Redskins made the playoffs with RG3. They are going to continue to be mediocre until they get good QB play.

    If RG3 never got hurt and went to St Louis; they could have made multiple playoffs for all we know.

    The point is; that even in a HUGE haul of a trade; it is still even debatable that it was worth it. That’s how important QBs are.

    Sorry, but if you still think the trade is debatable, you’re just being biased against trading down. It’s universally viewed as one of the 5 worst trades in NFL history for Washington. There is no debate about that trade. The Rams hit a walk off grandslam, the Redskins struck out looking.

  83. Keepitreal Says:

    Build around QB. Have you enjoyed our offens for the past 40 years? Teams with top QB always in it!!! Colts, patriots, steelers, Green Bay!!!! Get it through your head. Don’t trade down for any offer. I’m living in Mayberry!

  84. Lord Cornelius Says:

    bucrightoff – As it stands today yes I agree. Redskins are in a terrible spot now and worse off after trade as a whole. Rams are better off talent wise. It’s really easy to hindsight 20/20 that.

    However – what if the Rams drafted RG3 and used him like Seattle uses Russel Wilson? That is what I’m trying to say. We don’t know what could have been with them taking Griffin. He played amazingly before his injury.

    That’s what I’m saying is debatable – because we really don’t know what would have happened if:
    A) Griffin never got hurt
    B) The Rams took Griffin
    C) The front office / coaches of the Redskins handled RG3 and tailored the offense to his skills

    That’s why I’m saying it almost is debatable. RG3 took that team to the playoffs. Hell he still might rebound.

    I blame that trade working out terribly for the Skins moreso on the injury combined with the Redskins front office & coaching.

    Either way if Rams fail to make the playoffs AGAIN; with Foles; then who cares about how many draft picks they got because it’ll have been 4 years of worthless mediocrity and no excitement.

  85. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Also – what do you guys think the Redskins would have done with those picks? They have a terrible front office.

    They likely would have sucked still. At least they had one magical season haha

  86. bucrightoff Says:

    RGIII is a walking IR risk. He can’t read from the pocket, that much is clear from him missing 5 (!!!!) wide open receivers against the Bucs last year. But, he can’t be an outside the pocket guy either because he’s going to get hurt. They can’t use him like Wilson, because he’s not as smart a player. Wilson is simply smarter, so the comparison ends right there. RGIII is finished in this league, he’ll at best be Mike Vick redux but even that seems highly unlikely at this point. He’s actually way more fragile than Vick is.

    The Rams got a chance to get a lot, and in the end after trading back some more and getting more picks, they got 6 starters for 1 QB. Remember: there is NO guarantee a QB works out, unless he’s named Andrew Luck. And Andrew Luck ain’t in this draft. There’s also no guarantee more picks work out either, but in the crapshoot that is the draft, having more chances to hit 7 or 11 never hurts.

    Yes, the Rams still need a QB, but that’s literally all they need. If the Bucs draft a QB at #1 they still need….4 OLineman at least, 2 more receivers (VJax is gone after this year one way or another based on the cap number), 2-4 more DLineman, at least another LB, at least another corner, at least another safety. You sort of notice the difference now right?

    Yes, the Rams could have taken a QB, but their team would be much worse overall not making the trade. Teams win the SB, not QBs. You’ll notice besides Rodgers in 2011 and Brees in 2009, every SB champ of late was a great team, not a marginal team taken over the top by a QB. Bucs have 4 wins or less in 3 of the last 4 years. This is a very bad team with a lot of building to go. Getting a lot of picks to trade back expedites the process.

  87. Keepitreal Says:

    RG3 can’t hold Winston’s jockstrap!! Get off it!

  88. Keepitreal Says:

    Really?? Patriots are great because of Brady…what great receivers does he have. Manning was great with Colts, then went to Denver= Super Bowl ! You can have a good team with a mediocre QB and have a good season or two, but. Great QB YOUR ALWAYS IN IT!

  89. Lord Cornelius Says:

    The thing is; Winston may not be Luck but he has graded out as the closest prospect to him in awhile. So when people keep saying “There is no luck in this draft” they might as well say “Never draft a QB again for 100 years”. it’s just a freaking rediculous thing to wait for in terms of feeling safe to take a QB.

    Winston would have gone #1 in last years draft if he was eligible; and is still considered the best prospect in the following year draft. If that isn’t enough of a postiive assessment I have no idea wtf you guys are waiting for.

    The Rams are not that much more talented than the Bucs. You guys simply are not only overthinking this but weirdly-thinking this. I don’t even know what to call it other than weird.

    Rams have bad WRs; no TEs worth anything; a mediocre secondary. They essentially have a very very good D-line; decent O-line; some mediocre RBs; and now a potentially capable starting QB finally.

    The Bucs have a terrible O-line but really aren’t much worse than any other teams when it comes to other positions. Look up and down NFL rosters and give yourself a reality check. No team is complete at every position. If you think so you’re crazy. Even Seattle has some weaknesses that it has to mask.

    We have 2 stud WRs, a potential stud TE with another capable pass catcher and capable blocker behind him.
    We have a stable of decent backs with pretty good potential in Sims and hopeful bounce back from Martin.
    We have the best DT in the league and one of the best OLB in the league.
    We have some of the best DT depth in the league with our top 3.
    We have decent LBs.
    We have a deep secondary of capable starters.

    This amazingly skilled and deep Rams team barely beat us last year. And if you look at the game their QB outplayed ours; and had a game winning FG drive.

    Yes you need a talented team as a whole to win a SB. But you aren’t even sniffing the playoffs if you have bad QB play. If I remember, Brad Johnson went to the probowl the year we won the SB.

  90. Keepitreal Says:

    Amen brother!!

  91. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Williams or trade down

  92. Keepitreal Says:

    Funk your an idiot

  93. Luther Says:

    @Lord Cornelius it amazes me that some of these people are able to breath on their own. You have a franchise QB staring you in the face and people want to trade down. Worse is trade down and pick Petty who is more of a project than Mariota.

  94. Sapp, STFU Says:

    April 1st is coming up. Prepare for Joe to Rick Roll us

  95. Barry Says:


    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  96. lurker Says:

    “Funk your an idiot”

    ummmm, ahhhhhhhhhh, ummmmmm…really? funky expressed a simple, non-trolling opinion, and that is what you state. irony at its best.

  97. Sapp, STFU Says:

    Very well said, Lord

    Everyone, stop acting like the out first round draft pick has to be a guaranteed winer. You’re setting you’re edpectations too high. Jameis can produce. But back off the pressure and let these people do what they do. If it fails, we’ll try again. Just stop taking all of this so personal.

    This is the Glaser’s team and they have yet to prove they can best their Daddy’s run in the driver’s seat. They’re going for a home run and not trading down

  98. SuperSam Says:

    Mariota or trade down. Simple as that.

  99. Sapp, STFU Says:

    Heck, their dad traded the farm to get a ring. They’ll gamble on Jameis

  100. Buc1987 Says:

    Jameis Winston is coming Tampa!

    “You’re gonna have fun, and I’m gonna have fun… We’re all gonna have so much fng fun we’re gonna need plastic surgery to remove our GD smiles! You’ll be whistling ‘Zip-A-Dee Doo-Dah’ out of your a-holes! – Clark W Griswold

  101. danati74 Says:

    Lets just fire the clown before he blows this draft. Sets us back again.

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    Lovie trading down…HOGWASH!

    “You say you want a revolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    You tell me that it’s evolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world” – The Beatles

  103. SuperSam Says:

    Great article http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/60251/marcus-mariotas-disadvantage-might-not-be-so-big

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    Irrelevant article : http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/60251/marcus-mariotas-disadvantage-might-not-be-so-big

  105. Buc1987 Says:

    First of all Yasinkas is wrong. No one knows what kind of offense Koetter is going to run yet…

    Yes I already read the article earlier…

    Mariota is soooooo irrelevant right now when it comes to the Bucs…that he just doesn’t matter.

  106. SteveK Says:

    Man, I can’t wait for the draft. By and large the Bucs have sucked since Chucky left.

    What will Lovie do?

    If you’re holding a gun to my head and ask me to:

    Pick a QB: Winston
    Pick BPA: Leonard Williams
    Preferential pick: trade back for a king’s ransom.

  107. ChrisBuc23 Says:

    This is a quarterback driven league so forget that trading down non sense, it’s obvious Glennon ain’t the answer and Jameis is the more pro ready qb in the draft that can make all the throws and has the necessary competitive fire that us BUCS fans really haven’t seen at our QB position ever… Look at what Jameis did with Benjamin when he was in college, and can you imagine what he can do with Mike Evans, VJax, and ASJ??? Nuff said

  108. Pickgrin Says:

    But when Sam and barry say things about Winston with minds that hate
    All I can tell you (’87) is brother you have to wait (34 more days)
    Cause you know its gonna be….
    All right
    All right

  109. Chef Paul Says:


    We are also going to have the hap hap happiest Christmas since Dean Martin tap-danced with Danny f*ckin Kaye!!

  110. Buc1987 Says:

    ChrisBuc23…Jameis Winston has a bonfire…

    Mariota has a Bic lighter….

  111. keithv Says:

    A FRANCHISE QB! Which beat Lovie’s bears D!
    This is more dumb speculation to keep
    fans interested in the draft.
    it’s all “Hype”
    3 1st rd picks is minimum for trade
    which ain’t gonna happen.
    So take Winston and move on

  112. BK Says:

    I could see us trading down with the Jets at spot (6) and for a 2-3 rnder and 1st pick of Jets next year. It has to be a lot of value to do the trade down IMO. PFT reporting Jets send 6 to work out MM.

    This is Lovie….one thing rang true in what Joe said….he is “unpredictable”…

  113. ChrisBuc23 Says:

    amen @Buc1987….

  114. JFat Says:

    I’ll take Mariota. Bic lighters are more functional/useful than bonfires.

  115. JFat Says:

    Look what Mariota did with virtually 0 NFL caliber receivers his entire career. You can say the system made Mariota but you can also say Benjamin made Winston.

  116. Buc1987 Says:

    Jfat…ha ha ha ha ha ha

    I guess you weren’t around when someone posted Benjamin’s stats prior to Jameis vs having Jameis throwing him the ball….

    It was night and day.

  117. Wally Says:

    Love can win without a franchise quarterback. Eight games maybe.

  118. ChrisBuc23 Says:

    But you can also say that mariota ain’t more pro ready than winston.. There’s a reason why mariota is slipping on a lot of draft boards. Winston would have been 1st overall last year easily and I don’t see why that will change this year, forget that off the field crap, I’m sure the kid will grow up and is learning from his mistakes and he’s better than what we’ve had so far…

  119. Keepitreal Says:

    So lurker you want williams or trade as well…. That sais it all!

  120. Buc1987 Says:

    I’d take Glennon OVER Mariota!

  121. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @JoeJoes Fungi Nails

    I’ve been an advocate for trading down for months. This roster needs an infusion of talent to be taken seriously as a perennial contender. Though I’ve never been opposed trading down multiple times. Until my son sent me to this NFL DRAFT GAME site. Check it out http://www.first-pick.com

  122. WalkdaPlank Says:

    You know it’s actually kind of funny to sit back and watch the implosion in the comments section rather than contribute to it. Most of the regulars here (including myself) have already made complete asses of themselves at one time or another. All I need is chips and dip, maybe some popcorn, and a beer.

    Still can’t wait for this madness to end though. Between Bucs fans ripping each other new ones and Joe milking the Jameis articles this is getting way too asinine.

  123. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    It seems to me that this top pick has been debated to death.

    Afraid to lose control
    And caught up in this world
    I’ve wasted time, I’ve wasted breath
    I think I’ve thought myself to death

    Kongos “Come With Me Now”.

    Ok so lets move to the real action. Pick #34 and our 3rd round pick. Plus there’s the possibility of a trade for more picks or perhaps giving up a pick to move that #34 back into the first round. That’s where the excitement is at this point.

  124. Buccfan37 Says:

    WalkdaPlank… I agree with that comment. If I could go back and erase some of my previous comments I would. By the way, I think your name here is the best of them all.

  125. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo traded down once….Pablo traded his 2010 F150 for a 2008 Tundra….it was the worst mistake in Pablo’s life. The Tundra had a used condom in the rear ashtray, and an awful smell in the trunk (reminded Pablo of Casey Anthony’s child dead in her trunk). Pablo spent two years trying to get rid of that smell. Pablo finally lit the Tundra on fire and collected the insurance money (good thing Pablo is anonymous).”

  126. tval Says:

    Dont be confused going in..there is an enormous dropoff after jameis, this season, and no jameis in the next 3 drafts..no trading out of that pick

  127. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Thank you.

  128. tval Says:

    Kelvin ‘dropsie’ benjamin made jameis now? Lmao!! Wow…maybe 1 catch, the florida over the shoulder (hargreaves stare down) wasnt placed perfectly..cant compare an entire gimmick system to 1 playmaker..good lord

  129. SuperSam Says:

    @buc1987 id take your mom over Winston

  130. SuperSam Says:

    Mariota irrelevant? Please, there already calling this the Leaf/Manning draft all over again, and you can guess who they think will be the Ryan Leaf out of the 2, COUGH COUGH WINSTON! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2407974-winston-mariota-could-be-the-next-manning-leaf

  131. Sick of the debate Says:

    Every one of you guys that bring up the Washington and St Louis trade for Griffin keep leaving out one huge detail.

    St Louis already had Bradford and at that time (before all the injuries), Bradford was considered to be the future of the franchise. Hence, no need for Griffin with the 1st over all pick. That little fact made the gamble easier.

    Not so much here in Tampa, where we dont have shiz at QB.

  132. lurker Says:

    “So lurker you want williams or trade as well…. That sais it all!”

    wow, you must be new here. smh.

  133. lurker Says:

    one article says it is leaf/manning 2.0. and the implication from the author is that it will be winston to succeed.

  134. lurker Says:

    also, winston plays from the huddle, shotgun, and can from the pistol. he was one of the top, if not the top, qb prospect coming out of high school, where he ran a spread type offense. hmmmmmmmmmmm

    winston can do it all.

    win, it’s in his name.
    #winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby

    jameis christ is coming to resurrect our franchise.

  135. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Jameis Christ

    That’s a new one.

  136. Sick of the debate Says:

    Man I couldnt log on earlier so im just catching up. I read all posts on this thread and guess what I noticed?

    There were hardly any people calling Winston a rapist. So, either we are ALL getting used to the idea of Winston sporting pewter, or the haters just forgot to bang the drum today. Either way, its a step forward. Keep up the good work fellers.

  137. Buc1987 Says:

    For those that are new here or haven’t been here all that much…

    Welcome to the Nuthouse!

    Taint nuttin’ betta than JBFa.

  138. Sick of the debate Says:

    “robert 9 Says: 
    March 27th, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    careful fungi, common sense could make some heads explode up in here!”

    Dont worry Rob. Your head is in no danger.

  139. JBuc Says:

    SuperSam: nfunny thing about the comparison of Leaf/Manning. One came from a gimmicky offense from out west and the other came from a pro style offense in the South with a sexual assault accusation. Can you guess who?

  140. Buc1987 Says:

    JBuc….Sam is hanging off a cliff by one hand right now….yet he still thinks he’s on solid ground…

  141. Moving The Chains Did a Mock Draft Friday | Buccaneers Bay Says:

    […] It also had me wondering if it had anything to do with the whispers that Tony Dungy thinks the Bucs need to trade down. […]

  142. Rick Says:

    In our metrics driven world even the NFL Draft has numbers attached to it. Check out this website listing the relative value for every pick in the draft. http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

    So, Tampa’s #1 is worth 3,000 points. If someone could trade the #2 and #3 picks in the draft to Tampa for its #1, the math says go for it. The #2 and #3 added together are worth 4,800 points (2,600 for the #2 and 2,200 for the #3) which is greater than the value of your #1.

    Right now the only team with two picks in the first round is Cleveland at #12 (1,200 points) and #19 (875 points) totaling 2,075 points. So if Cleveland offered to trade its #12 and #19 for Tampa’s #1, the Browns would need to sweeten the pot to raise the value of the deal by at least 925 points for the Bucs to break even. To do that the Browns would need to acquire San Diego’s #17 pick (950 points) or cobble together 950 points worth of later round picks.

    Any deal for Tampa’s #1 would of necessity be huge involving at least three players, if someone could acquire three first round picks, if not more. I doubt we’ll see it, because of the immensity of the deal, but it has happened e.g. Washington’s deal for RGIII. But, if someone can come up with the value it has to be considered just because of the number of blue chip players potentially involved.

    For example, if Tampa could get the #2 pick and two more picks in the first round, they could grab Mariota at #2 and a first round DE and OT.

    Of course, most of you on here won’t be happy unless they grab Winston. But, given the pickle Tampa’s in right now, Mariota would be good enough with a huge upside and coupling him with a first round DE and OT fixes a lot of woes. That’s a deal L&L would be stupid to pass up.

  143. Stanglassman Says:

    Either Sam didn’t read the article he posted or his reading comprehension is as bad as his QB talent evaluation.

  144. jfat Says:

    @87 What were Winston’s stats with and without Benjamin again? Just keep riding the wave from Winston’s freshman year and ignore the regression, whatever helps you sleep better.

  145. JBuc Says:

    Jfat: stats are for losers. Guess who had a worse TD/Int ration than Winston as a senior (Winstins a sophomore)? Mr All American Tom Brady. Oh, and guess what, he regressed vs prior year. Good thing the Pats didn’t talk to you first.

  146. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    My thoughts exactly. Thats why its imperative for us increase the value of the Top 3 prospects. Forcing Tennessee to move up to number one.

    • Round 1 Pick 2 (2)
    • Round 2 Pick 1 (33)
    • Round 3 Pick 2 (66)

  147. JBuc Says:

    Jfat: my bad, bad stats. Ha ha. That’s what I get for being impatient. Though Brady did not regress his stats were not much better than Winstons.

  148. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “jfat Says:
    March 27th, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    @87 What were Winston’s stats with and without Benjamin again?”

    Kelvin Benjamin
    G Rec Yds Avg T
    14 30 495 16.5 4
    14 54 1011 18.7 15

    Year 1 is with Senior EJ Manuel passing to KB.
    Year 2 is with Freshman Jameis Winston passing to KB.
    Who made who?

  149. Broy34WontArgueWithStupidity Says:

    If Tampa had a franchise QB the last 10 years after the superbowl would they have been irrelevant the last ten years? No. So draft the QB. You know the Guy that is so important he determines how many primetime games you get.

  150. Buc1987 Says:

    jfat..spin it however you want. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say Benjamin made Winston when Benjamin’s stats increased dramatically from Manuel to Winston. Then say well look at Winston’s stats after Benjamin. There was a reason WHY Winston was one of the highest recruited players coming out of high school and the #1 QB prospect coming out of high school. In your world it’s because of Benjamin, and that’s simply not factual.

    FSU recruits highly talented players, Benjamin AND Winston are among them.
    You and every other Buc fan will soon find out just how talented Winston is. This kid has nowhere near peaked yet….

    Since you wanted me to look at his stats from one year to the next even though I think it’s irrelevant and your grasping at straws I did. Not much changed as far as yards thrown 4057 to 3907. Completion % 66.9 to 65.3 yet he threw the ball 100 more times in 2014 than he did in 2013. His TD’s went down and that’s because FSU’s D in 2013 kept giving him the ball back…a lot.

    There really is no need to look up all these silly assed stats. Being that they played different teams from one year to the other with a great deal of different players. That’s why I don’t give a crap about stats. The scouts have spoken, the analysts have spoken, the mock drafts have spoken, Lovie Smith has spoken…and on and on.

    I don’t have to defend the QB that will be picked by our team anymore, but I get bored…

  151. Buc1987 Says:

    Besides I have my Seminole posse to back me up….

  152. Buc1987 Says:

    ODB…can you make it to the draft party?

  153. BoltIsle Says:

    Why is it whenever I read Barry, Sam or Erik’s comments, it always brings a visual of the three stooges white water rafting in West Virginia with a loud banjo serenading them the entire way? Great entertainment

    WalkdaPlank, spot on. These threads are only going to get A LOT better as draft day approaches.

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadBarry

  154. Mr. T Says:

    It all depends on what is being offered in any potential trade. If an established QB is included in the deal then things become more unpredictable as to what will happen. Draft day will be quite interesting.

  155. Bucfan4life Says:

    Sam, did you post that bleacher report to embarrass yourself??? Dude are you unable to read and comprehend?? You read that article and thought they were saying Winston was the next Leaf??? Seriously??? Wow! You might want to read that again. You must be blinded by your Winston hatred. For fck sake dude the writer even states that he believes Winston is he better QB. He is saying that Winston is the equivalent of Manning and that all the nitpicking people have done is similar to what they did to Manning leading up to that draft. That if looks me that you couldn’t figure that out. Go back and get your GED so that you can figure out how to read a basic sports article.

  156. Buc1987 Says:

    @SuperSam…I read the article you posted…twice. I still don’t see wth you are saying about the author implicating that Winston would be the next Leaf.

    Then again it’s hard to take anything you say seriously after you told us all that Koetter and Bajagagagoo QB coach are working on “special plays” for Mariota. That little tidbit spoke volumes about your way of thinking on this QB conundrum that you seem to think we still have. It tells me that you comb over every little detail of an article to find anyway you can shape it, or bend it to your thinking of Mariota. Fast forward to tonight and your saying this guy who wrote an article thinks Winston is the next Leaf. That’s called bending and shaping.

  157. Bucfan4life Says:

    Floors me

  158. Buc1987 Says:

    Bucfan4life…LOL it seems were on the same page. This is what he does. Now you know WHY he still thinks the pick will be Mariota. It all makes sense now…

  159. Bucfan4life Says:

    Lol ’87 I read it twice myself. I’m reading and the whole time I’m thinking did he post the wrong link?

  160. the real Bucobruce Says:

    The pic will be Marcus Mariota.Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning have nothing to do with these two quarterbacks, at least in the way they perform in the NFL.Ryan Leaf was no Scrambler he was a pocket passer I don’t give a s*** what they say about him and his mobility.

  161. the real Bucobruce Says:

    not everything compared Winston to be manning.they said Peyton Manning was a product of the system just like Marcus Mariota.everything else went in Winston’s favor though.but if you ask me Manning or leaf was nothing like Marcus Mariota but Ryan Leaf reminds me a lot of Jameis Winston.

  162. Sarcastro Says:

    I was born and raised a Bucs fan in the 70s, and I totally understand why this QB or not QBS debate is so confounding for so many of you …

    It’s because we’ve NEVER had a successful franchise QB, so how would anyone know what one looks like?

    Listen, I’ve worked in an around college and pro football for the last 25 years. I know what I’m looking at (despite having watched Bucs football since ’76). Trust me when I tell you that Jameis Winston is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. He’s clearly the best player available and plays the most important position in the entire world of sports.

    You don’t trade this pick. You thank your lucky stars you got a guy worthy of No. 1 overall. You daft Jameis and don’t think twice about it. And I think that’s exactly what the Bucs are planning to do.

  163. Mike10 Says:

    On one side, I think it was Gary Shelton on 620 today that said, even with Winston on this team we won’t be close to success with all the holes we have. Using this logic, we should increase our odds of guessing right with more draft picks to fill all the holes we have and trade back. RGIII appeared to be much more of a slam dunk than Winston coming out, but I bet Washington would like to have those picks (traded away) back.

    On the other side, the hardest of all our voids to fill, is QB. We’re in prime position to have a shot at what could be a franchise QB…

  164. Charlie7 Says:

    I can’t believe some of the comments on here. It’s hard to believe some of you have ever watched a football game!!!! I think Jameis is the better pick and you never trade the #1 pick. How often do you get one????

  165. PocketPirates Says:

    I didn’t know a lot about either quarterback so I watched all the highlight videos. Mariota looked like an even faster Colin Kapernick and maybe a somewhat better passer. Winston did a lot of 1> hitting receivers perfectly in stride. 2> throwing into small windows and completing passes – an extremely important NFL caliber QB trait and 3> anticipating breaks and leading receivers open – yet another hugely important NFL quarterback characteristic. I was completely sold on Winston after watching those videos. As long as he is coming into the NFL ready to WORK, he is undoubtedly the guy.
    Do you want an advanced Colin Kapernick or a mobile Tom Brady? I’ll take the latter, thanks. All the way to the playoffs. Plus our outside and inside weapons are excellent!

  166. PocketPirates Says:

    Joe, I constantly have trouble with your site because my iPhone keeps kicking me to the app store. Do you think that could get fixed? It’s driving me nuts! It took me about 15 attempts just to get back to the end of this thread! This is the only site where that happens…

  167. BoltIsle Says:

    I get there are lots of holes to fill, but when you have the overall #1 pick, unless you get a ridiculous offer with multiple 1’s, you don’t trade it or draft a DE. Not when you have a chance at getting a franchise QB which OBP has never known. You build through the draft, but a franchise QB will attract stop gap players (OL) while the youth develop. Being in FL, great stadium playing surface and OBP can also be great draws.
    Watching Oregon the past few years, they were an exciting team. That said, you also had the feeling that if they were down a couple TD’s to a good defensive team, they weren’t coming back. If they got up a couple TD’s, they would smoke the opponent. As for the argument that since Oregon beat FSU he’s the better QB, that shows a clear lack of football acumen. Neither plays defense. Ohio State shut down Marcus pretty effectively.and it was clear they were not coming back. Early. Jameis, with multiple FSU TO’s still rolled over 500 yds in offense. Marcus’ TEAM played better and they deserved to win. Not saying he played great, but Jameis wasn’t the source of all the TO’s and he wasn’t playing poor defense.
    I realize there are a lot of bitter gator fans who can’t acknowledge he’s the better QB. I didn’t believe that the moral police would swoop in attempting to dictate their moral judgment as to what was best for us as a whole. If you say your sick of JBF pushing for him, why do you keep reading the articles that are clearly labeled about the topic? Start you own site and best of luck to you and your family since they will be the only ones who read it.
    I’ll support Marcus if he is the pick, but I’m not a judgmental moralist either. It’s clear Marcus is the better athlete, but JW is the better QB. If Dungy has as much influence over Lovie that some of you believe, and I don’t believe this, then I am glad Licht is in place. Dungy was fired here because he couldn’t put together a halfway decent offense and select a half decent O coordinator. If Lovie can handle Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler at the same time, and they could be cancers in the locker room, he’ll be fine with JW.

  168. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    I have not heard anything…….did Jameis screw up last night ?

  169. alanbucs Says:

    No need to panic folks, The Bucs are drafting Jameis Winston. Joe, I don’t care how unpredictable Lovie Smith may be with personnel there are circumstances and forces that are working beyond his control. 1. His bosses the GLAZERS have wanted a franchise QB and exciting offense for years now. 2. All of there end of season and off season moves have strongly pointed towards drafting a quarterback. 3.The fans have spoken (they have an opinion poll on there website)and have chosen Jameis as the pick. 4. Every NFL insider in the world has predicted Jameis as the pick. Should I go on? I like Tony Dungy but Lovie Smith’s Bosses have more pull trust me!

  170. Bucfan4life Says:

    Sorry Joe Joe he did not. I am sure you are praying that he does though In the next 30 some days but he won’t. You wanna carpool to the airport so that we can greet Jameis on May 1st?

  171. TheDon Says:

    I can’t wait to see you Winston haters jump off the skyway on April 30th. It will be glorious.

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  173. PocketPirates Says:

    Thank you Joe! My apple device seems to work fine now! 🙂

  174. 87LikesFreeJerseys Says:

    Bucfan4life Says:
    March 28th, 2015 at 8:03 am

    “Sorry Joe Joe he did not. I am sure you are praying that he does though In the next 30 some days but he won’t. You wanna carpool to the airport so that we can greet Jameis on May 1st?”

    I’m making a sign for the draft party in Tampa. I’ll keep it rolled up until I hear his name called…yes I believe in jinxes.

    The sign will say : “We Got Jameis”

    Look for me on TV or in the paper the next day. I tend to get spotted by TV crews a lot.

  175. PocketPirates Says:

    I’m just sitting here idly imagining Winston picking defenses apart with VJax, Evans and ASJ. Let’s draft a slot receiver/kick returner, 1 defensive end, and all the rest O linemen. If you pick up enough, somebody is gonna win the jobs!

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  177. SSG Mike Says:

    I like Mariotta, with that being said if some team comes a knocking with a boat load of picks this year and next you HAVE to take it and load up on talent in all the holes. Hell, take a QB prospect that could be the next Brady in the later rounds and roll with Glennon. If he had some help on the O-Line he would probably quite a bit better. Don’t think he is ever going to be the franchise QB we so desire but effective in the right system with some help and time behind a solid line and a defense that keeps the game close. If McCown would have been reasonable or say just above mediocre, we wouldn’t give either of these QB’s a look. Just Saying!

  178. Caleb Says:

    Man, it’s tough to read what most of you have to say. Until Jamies puts a uniform on in the NFL and plays a fucking game none of you dumbasses know if he’s going to be good. So let’s just stop right there with how great of a QB Winston is going to be. None of you can answer that question until he play a game, so all of you just shut the fuck up about it, seriously, it’s fucking old already. We all know the Winston supporters think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread but him alone can’t fix this franchise in one year. Even if he is really good (Peyton Manning first year was terrible).

    QB may be a great place to start but without upgrades to the O-line, even if Winston is all he’s cracked up to be, his performance can’t and won’t be much better than the QBS we had before him.

    I know we’re going to draft Winston, but don’t be discouraged when he struggles because from what I know about any rookie QBS is that they struggle in there first year without a good supporting cast, and until I see some serious changes on the o-line we won’t be no better than last year, Winston or not!

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