“Nothing Could Be Further From The Truth”

February 24th, 2015


Former standout University of Colorado quarterback Joel Klatt, who also played professional baseball, is one of the more unsung analysts around. Joe’s definitely a fan of his work on FOX Sports 1.

Klatt continues to be in disbelief at what he considers a misinformation campaign when it comes to the 2015 NFL Draft.

Klatt’s latest draft “big board” was released yesterday on FOXSports.com, and he remains firmly in the Marcus Mariota Gang, claiming there’s a bunch of BS floating around about Mariota’s football skills.

2. Marcus Mariota – QB – Oregon

Knocking Marcus has become the fashionable thing to do, which has solidified my evaluation even further. Every year, the QB who is the best prospect is picked apart by every outlet trying to make a splash. Mariota has great size, weighing in at 222 pounds and standing 6-3 3/4 at the combine, the exact same height as Jameis Winston. Strong and accurate down the field, yet most will say that he didn’t make NFL throws. Nothing could be further from the truth. He made these throws every week, and he showed anticipation, velocity and accuracy while getting through his entire progression on a regular basis. Tampa Bay needs a QB, and it should look no further than Marcus.

For those wondering, Klatt ranks Jameis Winston his No. 4 overall prospect. (Joe will share more on that later.) In addition, during a recent FOX podcast, Klatt said Winston came across in his news conference as ” immature, cocky, arrogant, a lot of contradictions in his argument.”

Klatt also said Mariota is a model of consistency in every area on and off the field, which Klatt believes will serve him well at the next level when he will lose games and be treated, at times, as the worst quarterback in the league.

118 Responses to ““Nothing Could Be Further From The Truth””

  1. Yungry Says:

    We all agree its Mariota #1 so let’s discuss the fullback spot! Should we use a 6th or 7th rounder on a fullback since we are the only team without a lead blocker?

  2. jh Says:


  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    All of these Mocks are who analysts believe the Bucs will take….not who they think the Bucs should take….
    There is a big difference between the two.

  4. Skyline Crew Says:

    Tell us something we didn’t know.

  5. briandorry55 Says:


    The Bucs are the only team without a lead blocker? What are you stuck in the 80’s?

  6. Robert 9 Says:

    ” immature, cocky, arrogant, a lot of contradictions in his argument.”

    sounds about like what i been sayin!

    but to others thats “keepin it reaal” and the coaches love that stuff.

    those others have probably never interviewed a guy in their life. something I do for a living.

  7. Robert 9 Says:

    some of those others i should say.

  8. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    The Hare and the Tortoise
    An Aesop’s Fable

    The Hare was once boasting of his speed before the other animals. “I have never yet been beaten,” said he, “when I put forth my full speed. I challenge any one here to race with me.”

    The Tortoise said quietly, “I accept your challenge.”

    “That is a good joke,” said the Hare; “I could dance round you all the way.”

    “Keep your boasting till you’ve beaten,” answered the Tortoise. “Shall we race?”

    So a course was fixed and a start was made. The Hare darted almost out of sight at once, but soon stopped and, to show his contempt for the Tortoise, lay down to have a nap. The Tortoise plodded on and plodded on, and when the Hare awoke from his nap, he saw the Tortoise just near the winning-post and could not run up in time to save the race. Then said the Tortoise:

  9. Robert 9 Says:

    what did he say??????????????????

  10. bucbucbuc Says:

    I want Mariota, but I do find it ironic how he talks about other media outlets trying to make a “splash” by criticizing Mariota. By going against the now conventional opinion, he’s trying to make a “splash” himself.

  11. Luther Says:

    I’m just here so I won’t get fined.

    Klatt for me is the most untrusted “analyst” there is. He rates Mariota above Winston when just about every other scout says the opposite. I don’t trust a word of what he says. I’m surprised he hasn’t appeared on the local radio station after 3:00pm.

  12. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    You don’t need the traditional full back in the Air Coryell offense. A match up nightmare would be a H-Back/F-Back.


    Nick O’leary could=Chris Cooley

    You could run (Z,Y, Z) then put your HB back in motion-in countless sets.

  13. Charlie V Says:

    I want some of what Klatt’s been smoking.

  14. Derick Says:

    So I guess he thinks Aaron Rodgers is cocky, immature and arrogant.

  15. Nick Says:

    Jameis beat the Maryland Terrapins 63-0 last year. Turtle soup.

  16. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I agree with Mr. Klatt’s evaluation of Mariota’s skills. I think MM is a QB that can make all the throws NFL QBs are asked to make. I think his speed and athleticism is unmatched in this draft. And I think his character and behavior is beyond reproach. But the thing I like best about him is the fact that he doesn’t make big mistakes and throw a lot of INTs. That will be crucial for a young QB in the NFL. Don’t see how a team could go wrong with Mariota and I flat out don’t believe anyone who says that MM won’t be able to “transition” or “adapt” his game from college to the pros…simply ridiculous!

  17. DWE Says:

    All I can say is Heaven only knows what Lovie will do. I want Mariota as he has class and will be respected. His football skills and athleticism are obvious. Raheem the dream would pick Winston. Need I say more?

  18. DWE Says:

    Besides just because our first throwing Samoan did not make it means the odds are with us on our second

  19. budnbeers Says:

    There’s always one who thinks he knows more than those in the NFL.

  20. Skyline Crew Says:

    His opinion holds as much water as Mayock’s does.

    Remember Mayock said this for the Bucs:

    “Boy was I wrong,” Mayock said of suggesting Richardson might get out of the Top 10. “He’s going in the Top 10. Let’s face it, if the two quarterbacks [Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III] go 1-2, and the Vikings are not in the market for a tailback at No. 3 because of Adrian Peterson, this kid is going 4, 5 or 6. He’s the best tailback I’ve seen come out since the aforementioned Adrian Peterson. He brings toughness, he brings speed, he brings pass protection.”

    Mayock said that if the Browns pass on Richardson at No. 4, he can’t see why the Bucs would pass on him at No. 5. Mayock said Richardson running behind the Buccaneers’ offensive line in Greg Schiano’s offense could have a big impact as a rookie.

    “Trent Richardson might be the best position player in this draft,” Mayock said. “I watched 150 of his carries today. I watched every catch he made on tape today. . . . I watched every pass protection I could find in about a 10-game span, and he might be the best pass-protecting running back in this draft also. So when you talk about toughness and perhaps the best positional player in the entire draft, I think if he is available at No. 5, with that offensive line, they’ve got to pull the trigger.”

    We all know Richardson isn’t worth crap.

  21. Yungry Says:


    Do we have any tight ends on the roster capable of that? I wish we could get the running backs some extra help

  22. chris k Says:

    Mike Mayock, Adam Schein, Tony Dungy, Jim Mora, Chip Kelly, Joel Klatt, Chris Landry… That’s a lot of Nfl in the know guys. Winston lovers aren’t really gonna go on record and call them all stupid are they? This pick isn’t a lock in either direction, but if you had to pick one that couldn’t embarrass our franchise yet again then you take Mariota and not run the risk of someone’s immaturity turning it’s ugly head once again.

  23. Wausa Says:

    If the Bucs are stupid enough to pass on a QB prospect like Jameis then the Bucs deserve to have continued 2-14 to 6-10 records for the next 10 years

  24. Drew Says:

    Winston… It would be great to be in TB so I could be near my immature homies painting the town red.

  25. Couch Fan Says:

    He has a right to his opinion especially if he actually did the research. I disagree with most everything he said though.

  26. ndog Says:

    Let’s see Mayock has a horrible track record picking qb’s, Schein thinks we should have stuck with Schiano, Dungy trotted out the great qbs Eric Zeir, and Shaun King, Jim Mora sucked as a coached and did not get Hundley prepared at all for the NFL, Chip Kelly has gotten every qb that played for him in the NFL hurt, Joel Klatt (what had he ever done?), and Chris Landry got busted for stealing someone’s else’s work. Yep their opinion means crap.

  27. greg Says:

    I think all of the hype coming out of One Buc about Winston is to convince the Jets that they are going to take him so they can trade down and take the guy that they really want and the one that will make their franchise proud…..Marcus Mariota!

  28. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Here is a choice…and it’s a matter of risk aversion:

    Risk aversion is the reluctance of a person to accept a bargain with an uncertain payoff rather than another bargain with a more certain, but possibly lower, expected payoff.

    Mariota:Risk that skills, even with time, don’t translate to the NFL

    Winston: Risk that his off-field behavior is not attributed solely to immaturity and is made worse by a lucrative NFL contract.

    Now….if you are Lovie….which risk do you take?
    Now….if you are the Glazers….which risk do you take?

    Fans can take either….aren’t we lucky?

  29. WS99 Says:

    @chris k

    “Adam Schefter of ESPN passed along Todd McShay’s evaluation of Winston, saying he’s the second-highest quarterback prospect over the last decade, behind only Andrew Luck.”

  30. Fishfries Says:

    I know two other great athletes that came across as cocky and arrogant. They’re names are Jordan and Kobe. Enough said.

  31. MTM Says:

    This guy must be a hack if he is pointing out the obvious. Mariota just got lucky for 3 years at Oregon. Mariota got to throw to wide open receivers instead of throwing into tight windows. And then there’s that huddle thing. Mariota is too just humble to play QB in the NFL. Everybody knows alpha dogs are always cocky ego driven d-bags.

  32. chris k Says:

    Ndog. You’re killing me and embarrassing yourself. At least acknowledge that Winston could be a risk if he isn’t ready to be a mature NFL man. If you can’t at least acknowledge that then you wear Garnet and Gold glasses and discussing points and counterpoints with you is useless.

  33. ndog Says:

    First of all of those statements are facts and I want a qb who is not dependent on a system to make them good. Again see # of 4th quarter comebacks and when that is zero that means when taken out of their system they fail and that is Mariota everytime.

  34. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    @Chris K

    For the record, Mayock had Winston as his top rated QB over Mariota.

    Schein stated his first preference is Glennon and a d player drafted.

    As far as maturity, I trust the front office to look into it and not rely strictly on the media. Not worried at all.

  35. Yungry Says:

    Don’t Brady, Manning, Rogers, Wilson and Luck all run more plays out of the spread than uder center? At least, thats what the numbers say. Im just sayin…

  36. Joe and Johnny Football Forever Says:

    I liked NDog’s rebuttle. Good one!

  37. Fishfries Says:

    I honestly think both of these QBs will be good. I just think Winston is a better leader and motivator. That’s something the Bucs desperately need. It’s hard to pass up on a player with the “it” factor that is also very skilled in the pocket.

  38. ddneast Says:

    This guy has a real bias against Winston and it’s pretty obvious. Keep in mine. I favor nithr but watched Winston’s TV interview on,the NFL with a critical eye.
    I didn’t see arrogant but I did see confident. I didn’t hear immature, but I did hear a lot of yes sirs and no sirs to those on the set.
    I thought he came across real well and I was looking to find something I didn’t like about him.
    Of course I didn’t come equipped with a pick ax and a shovel like this Klatt guy did.

  39. Skyline Crew Says:

    Ndog said Moyock’s opinion doesn’t count. So him picking Winston doesn’t mean anything. He is terrible at picking QBs. So you go with the opposite of Mayock and pick Marriota.

  40. Tiny Tim Says:

    @ Yungry

    Just because a qb is in shotgun does not mean you are in a spread offense. How can some of you post the nonsense you post and call yourself educated football fans? Manning has been running his offense before the spread was even in vogue and now he runs the spread because he is in the shotgun? Brady? The patriots run the offense that is taylored to they personnel. You get moss, then you air it out. You get Gronk and Hernandez, then you kill teams with the two TE look. That does not equal the spread.

  41. Tiny Tim Says:

    tailored to their personnel.

  42. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    If he’s terrible at picking QBs I wouldn’t take his 2nd ranked guy either. Let’s go for the last guy on his list, Garret Grayson. That’s closer to opposite.

  43. Yungry Says:

    @ Tiny Tim,

    Why are you talking about Hernandez and Moss? Dude you are a trip….Why don’t you tell me about the Eagles and Seahawks system now?

  44. Bird Says:

    I hope the Bucs get this right.! I m ok with both but lean mariota.

  45. Macabee Says:

    Six weeks ago, 90% of all recognized and credible mocks had the Bucs taking Marcus Mariota. There may be more, but today I could only find 3 – Joel Klatt, Charles Davis, and SI’s Chris Burke. Now Mariota still has his supporters like Mark Dominik, Tony Dungy, Chris Mortensen, Bill Polian, Louis Riddick, Steve Duemig, Sander Phillipse – all recognized people who provide commentary on the game.

    However, the list of media analysts, writers, NFL coaches and executives who either support or believe that the Bucs will pick Jameis Winston are too numerous to list – like NFL COTY Bruce Arian who publicly proclaimed his disdain for the spread offense and the QBs it produces.

    Now what does all of this mean? Nothing more than that the consensus of folks, me included, believe that Winston will be the Bucs pick. You have probably heard of the argument in logic known as Argumentum Ad Populum – the belief that because it is the popular opinion, therefore it must be true. You also know that it is a logical fallacy.

    My advice is to take all of the mocks with a grain of salt, deafen your ears to all of the public exclamations of the experts and know this. Lovie Smith and Jason Licht will make this pick – the same Lovie Smith that said “Glennon is our QB of the future”; that has never picked a QB before the 4th round; that went to the Super Bowl with journeyman QB Rex Grossman.

    Sorry Folks! As much as I want for Winston to be the pick, you, me, and the devil in that hot place will not know for sure until the night of April 30th, 2015!

  46. StRicKn Says:

    Soon Mariota will be the pick and we can look to Bucs outside the argument of who should be picked #1. All who doubt Marcus will be converted very quickly. Finally Tampa will have a GunSlinger who we will be proud to take to battle every Sunday!! Go Bucs!!

  47. Senor Mofo Says:

    Winston should be rated higher by mock-drafters and lazy media analysts, because he is the more “pro-ready” QB right now.

    But we are not in a plug-and-play situation. We have no system that we have to drop a guy in to. We are crafting a whole new offense, and we will choose our QB based on that vision.

    The season doesn’t start the day after the draft. We are making a very long-term decision here.

    People who authoritatively announce that the Bucs will draft Winston are simply taking the easy way out, and are not doing their homework.

  48. kevin Says:

    I am confident koetter really sill run his system to all of our players strengths. You didnt see him jamming it down the throat of an average TE last season with no Tony Gonzalez. You saw him using harry douglas and devin hester to create first downs while everyone worried about jones and white. I think we will have a good offense this year as I did last season before tedford was lost…..then all hope for me was lost2

  49. Tiny Tim Says:

    @ Yungry

    Obviously you can’t comprehend. Basically I was informing you that the patriots do not run the spread as you suggested just so you can make a case for Mariotta. The point is the patriots and every QB you mentioned do not play the spread. I hope you understand, but you probably do not because you thought Rogers, Manning, Brady, and Luck all run the spread so I know you are confused at what I said.

  50. Fishfries Says:

    Is it just me or do the Joes sound scared to debate with Big Dog. I wouldn’t know your fans of winston.

  51. Yeah It's me! Says:

    Soon the Mariota (delusional)lovers will see the Bucs draft Winston and than they’ll see why we went with the best QB in college football who already has had lots of success in a PRO STYLE OFFENSE. You’ll see why when we start going to the playoffs every year while Mariota is still trying to learn the PRO OFFENSE that he has no clue how to run. (Hell he cant even read his 2nd option and than complete a pass. Huge Red Flag.LOL) And than maybe, just maybe you will start to really learn about NFL Football and what’s called a POCKET PASSER and why that’s what NFL teams want over a spread QB. Teams draft spread QBs only because there’s not enough pocket passing QBs to choose from.

  52. Yungry Says:

    @ Tiny Tim

    I stopped reading your comments last year when you were barking for Manziel. I tried to warn you but you wouldn’t listen. Don’t get mad at me because I told you so.

  53. Skyline Crew Says:

    Lol..cant read 2nd option. Lost all credit with that one.

  54. Skyline Crew Says:

    By the way Brady has run a spread in New England. No, they didn’t this year. Manning does run a spread as they often have 4 receiver formations. Also, Mariota can run an offense from the shotgun whether or not it is spread. He is very intelligent and will have no problems.

  55. MGM#8 Says:

    Just draft Winston!!!

  56. 87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:

    Nice job Joe. You have to throw them a bone every once and awhile to calm down the Mariota Mob…all 5 of them.

  57. Yungry Says:

    Every team has spread plays in their playbook but the amount its used varies amongst teams. For example, the Eagles and Seahawks use it more frequently than others do. Also watch the Packers, Rogers ran a spread scheme under Tedford at California and has been seen using it now more than ever in the pros

  58. Brett Says:

    Here are questions nobody has asked. Which of the two will be able to adjust to getting their ass chased around the field and then ground into the dirt on a consistent basis better? Which of the two will better handle loosing up to 8 games in a row and being under .500? Both of these guys have had nothing but success. Football is a TEAM game, maybe the game that is most dependent upon a TEAM out of all professional sports. The team they are going to be drafted by (I still have hope for Williams, Fowler, or Gregory being #1) is still going to be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and our head coach is still Lovie Smith. Which of the two is least likely to implode, a la Josh Freeman, when the Losses start piling up.

  59. SuperSam Says:

    “I don’t know yet,” Mayock said. “I take (Winston) No. 1 from a talent perspective. I’m all over it from a talent perspective, but I would have to do more homework off the field because, right now, he scares me. He was the face of Florida State football, and he continued to make bad decisions off the field.”

    Winston — whose Pro Day is March 31 — threw for 3,907 yards and 25 TDs during the 2014 season. But he also tossed 18 interceptions, tied for second-most in the nation, and that also gives Mayock pause.

    “I think Jameis throws way too many interceptions,” Mayock said on the show. “Obviously, he has the ability to close games. … He was at his best when the best was needed and I give him credit for that. But he threw (a combined) seven interceptions vs. Louisville and Florida, and it could have been 14 if the other team could catch the ball. He throws the ball up for grabs, in my opinion, way too often. That’s my big issue with him on the field.” PASS ON WINSTON!!!

  60. Brett Says:


  61. 87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:

    Mayock’s current rankings after the combine.

    1. Jameis Winston, Florida State
    2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon
    3. Bryce Petty, Baylor
    4. Brett Hundley, UCLA
    5. Garrett Grayson, Colorado State

  62. Luther Says:

    @Brett if we choose a DL instead of a QB, we are almost guaranteed to lose even more games. You can’t win without a QB. Houston has 2 stud DL from the draft and JJ Watt is in highlight reels every week but he sat at home…because he has no QB.

  63. 87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:

    Brett Says:
    February 24th, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    “Here are questions nobody has asked. Which of the two will be able to adjust to getting their ass chased around the field and then ground into the dirt on a consistent basis better? ”

    That’s easy. Jameis Winston of course.

  64. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    If you quote Mayock, then you must agree with the rankings that 87 posted.

  65. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:


    Wouldn’t be so sure. We don’t want Jameis running around getting strip-sacked by ghosts (and NOT Michael Johnson), now do we?

  66. Posey99 Says:


  67. 98PickJameis Says:

    I’m not going against mariotas skills because j think he can and will be a good QB in the NFL. But we don’t have the speed around him to make him successful with the spread stuff that he wants to do. Now with Jameis, he knows how to play with tall receivers that aren’t as fast. He had Benjamin and now can have 2 of them. And I believe that it was a throw to Benjamin that won the championship two years ago and I guarantee if he had another Benjamin last year he would’ve came a little closer to beating Oregon and the offense would’ve made a bigger splash in the points differential. Just think of Winston playing with what he had two years ago and double that with Evans and Jackson. We could be deadly. You know I get a little pissed when some of you guys say we NEED a QB now even though we all know that we won’t see Mariota until next year if we do draft him. If you want to see a QB now then go for Jameis. And if you don’t want Jameis it better be a better reason than “he’s a rapist” I’m really tired of that s***.

  68. Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:

    ‘Mariota is a model of consistency on & off-the field’….. Some puerile might take this as him being mediocre or boring, but when you consistently perform at a very high level, that is what employers look for. #MariotaiscomingtoTampa

  69. Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:

    Some *people

  70. Skyline Crew Says:

    I’m tired of people saying Mariota needs a year. He doesn’t.

  71. 87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:

    MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank…it’s not even debatable anymore.

    Like I’ve said in the past. I’m GLAD Winston went through adversity(on the field) in his final season at FSU rather than blowing every team out of the water by halftime like they did the previous season. It was a much needed experience.

  72. 87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:

    “I think with Jameis Winston, even though there are all the off-the-field issues and all of the concerns that you have there — there are so few concerns when you put on the tape and so few concerns when you talk to him from a football I.Q. standpoint,” ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said Monday. “I just don’t think you pass.”

  73. BoJim Says:

    Robert 9 Says:

    those others have probably never interviewed a guy in their life. something I do for a living.

    Sesame Street doesn’t count. I really don’t care what Big Bird has to say.

  74. greg Says:

    for anyone to think that either of these guys is a slam dunk has nothing to lose but their cred as an internet troll…what you or I think does not matter

  75. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    Both are Day 1 starters. Mariota doesn’t need an offense tailored to fit HIM, he needs to fit the offense. That’s the risk with taking him. Winston’s risk is not learning the offense, but staying out of trouble with millions of dollars and character issues.

  76. Stanglassman Says:

    If Winston (Wins-a-Ton) had to throw to freshman WR not breaking off or just plain running the wrong route I’d be concerned about it. But I watched the games and know he will be playing with pros like VJax next year and Int won’t be a problem just like his freshman year.

    If you think Tedford ran a spread Offense at Cal that says it all. Understand that you are known and call the Off or Def what your base/common packages you run. Not what you maybe pull out few times a year to make sure the other team prepped for everything.

    ” Take a look at this year’s premier NFL quarterbacks: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford and Eli Manning. They all share two things in common. Each has a significant history of working under center — and for each, his arm separates him, not his legs.

    The NFL is a quarterback-driven league, with smart signal-callers who win by throwing the ball accurately and on time. But at the college and high school levels, there’s more of a willingness to accept a less-than-ideal passer who is an extraordinary athlete.
    Prior to the explosion of the spread offense in the past 10-15 years, the core foundation of the quarterback position was learning to play under center. You dropped back from under center, read coverages from under center, made pre-snap assessments from under center. Everything you learned was about footwork, timing and reading defenses on the move” ESPN Article

  77. knuckledragger Says:

    budnbeers Says:
    February 24th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
    There’s always one who thinks he knows more than those in the NFL
    There are Alot of those and most of ’em reside right here.

  78. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    My wife just asked me “Have you solved the QB question yet?”…..I said….sure, we solved it weeks ago…..87 issued a decree that Jameis Winston was coming to Tampa….
    She said who is 87?….I said, he is the son of “The Amazing Kreskin”

  79. Bucfan4life Says:

    Lol, I have to give it to Joe, he wants the debate to continue even though he knows it’s really over now. He (they) probably won’t put up a story about Ian Rappaport’s report on NFL.com stating that he can’t find not one exec who thinks the Bucs aren’t taking Winston. Again, not one!

  80. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Sort of a quadruple negative there….

  81. knuckledragger Says:

    Hey TBBF what does Pablo have to say about 87’s change as of late?

  82. WS99 Says:


    I would like a qb like tom Brady who hates to lose. I want my qb to get pissed on the field like Brady. I want him yelling at his rcvs like Brady. I want him to yell at the refs like Brady does. I want a qb that will NOT accept losing. I guess what I trying to say is when Brady does it he’s a leader and when Winston does it he’s immature and unprofessional. This kid just can’t do anything right except win win win no matter what.

    As for the interceptions, granted he threw 18 last year but in 2 years he threw for 65tds and 32 Ints? 2-1 ratio works for me. Let’s not forget his comebacks in the second half yet another thing I would love our QB to be able to acccomplish.

    There’s one more point I wanted to address but I forgot was it was.

  83. knuckledragger Says:

    He has a right to his opinion especially if he actually did the research. I disagree with most everything he said though.
    This is how I wish people would always be able to respond to things. Kudos Couch

  84. jody Says:

    Can any of the holes fans see the bucs with a similar offense like the Seahawks? Mariota!!!!!

  85. Yungry Says:

    WS99 Says: I want him to yell at the refs like Brady does.
    How about pushing a ref?

  86. jody Says:

    Granted all those interceptions? Are you stupid?

  87. Barry Says:

    You don’t wanna be around #TheCreepyCrab when he gets that sexual feeling.

  88. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    Brady is just a b!tch.

  89. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo is confused….Pablo thought this was Joe Bucs Fan….but when Pablo starts to read, Pablo is pounded by posts from 87ForWinstonNOMariota…..now Pablo gets headaches every time he reads these posts. Pablo has taken heroin,meth,crack,demorol,percocet,oxycontin,quaaludes,opium,vicodin,morphine,valium,xanax…..Pablo doesn’t count the massive amounts of canibus Pablo has smoked for decades….and Pablo makes a mean canibus chimichanga.
    but….none of this gets rid of Pablo’s headaches after reading 87’s posts…Pablo will try prayer next”

  90. Bucfan4life Says:

    True tbbf. I will say it a better way. Every NFL exec that Ian Rappaport has talked to believes that the Bucs will be selecting Winston with the number 1 pick.

  91. WS99 Says:

    I remember now. I was watching the gator FSU game with a gator fan. He talking smack cuz we were losing. The entire time I’m like “it’s a 4 qrt game”. At no point was I worried about losing that game. Wouldn’t it be awesome if we could feel that way about the bucs? No matter how bleak the situation our team can comeback n win.

    It’s almost like the feeling we had when Peyton dropped like 24 points in like 5 mins to beat us at home. Argh, it’s like that but the exact opposite. I think some people call that feeling elation, ecstasy, or how my boys at the range say “Fck Yea, Murica!”

  92. WS99 Says:

    I nudged him out the way. He was trying to run a play. He didn’t assualt the ref. and yes I agree Brady is a bitch but i needed a good example.

  93. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Bucfan4life Says:
    February 24th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
    True tbbf. I will say it a better way. Every NFL exec that Ian Rappaport has talked to believes that the Bucs will be selecting Winston with the number 1 pick.

    Thanks for warning me about this….It will be easier on me when I read it again tomorrow on JBF.

    Actually, I am one of the few Mariota supporters who is prepared and quite OK if it doesn’t go Mariota…..I’ll be so happy its a QB that it won’t matter at that point…

  94. knuckledragger Says:

    Just got done reading all the comments after a long day of work trying to get this building done on schedule and busting my ass. I must say that this is why I came here. I didn’t even read the article. I just wanted to smile a bunch as I cracked my first beer on Poker night. I have 30 minutes to chat now, before Poker.

  95. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Your poker buddies are like mine…(2 groups)…..none of them think we should take Winston….last time I tried even to sell them on it and no one changed their mind….I know its a small sample…but when you get away from JBF…it’s quite enlightiening.

    I do know that most NFL types are predicting Winston and…I think the public will start to come around when they read & hear about his positives….but the Bucs still have a huge PR issue on their hands if they pick him.

  96. knuckledragger Says:

    LOLOLOLOL !!!!!!
    TBBF keeping Pablo alive. I miss that pendejo.

  97. knuckledragger Says:

    Hey DB…… The ONLY reason you maybe weren’t worried in that Gators game is because you knew we had no QB. If we had a Shred of Offense FSU never sees the playoffs. I was so pissed, lol

  98. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo has someone pounding on his front door….Pablo doesn’t think it’s pizza delivery or a hooker….Pablo probably shouldn’t have admitted to ingesting all of those drugs on JBF…..Pablo wishes he was at TBBF’s house where there are drugs no longer”

  99. WS99 Says:


    It felt good man. No worries at all. And that Louisville game was similar although without the running game we could have lost. Even Miami game was awesome.

  100. knuckledragger Says:

    Im in West Yellowstone MT TBBF. 2.5 million people a yr pass through here and most everyone that lives here is from somewhere else. Im the only Bucs fan and one of two Gators fans in the whole town. Most of em are Packers, Seahawks, Broncos, Cowboys, with a few Jets and Steelers fans sprinkled in. I got pounded one day for sharing the fact that I talk to hundreds of football fans a week in which none of em are Bucs fans and Not One thinks we should pick Winston. This was when I was in the Super HardCore Trade down Crowd and I still got relentlessly attacked. SMH

  101. Skyline Crew Says:

    Brady is a bad example. Nobody likes him except his own fans. He is a diva. I don’t want a diva as a QB. I would rather have Luck or Aaron Rodgers or Wilson. They get it done without all the theatrics.

  102. Posey99 Says:

    “I’m not going against mariotas skills because j think he can and will be a good QB in the NFL. But we don’t have the speed around him to make him successful”

    Not disagreeing with you, but think for a second about our team. #1 the glazers wanted chip Kelly (bad). #2 The team wanted players that had “speed in space” and “backs with great hands” #3 we kept hearing “uptempo” this past offseason before tedford went down. #4 Ask a Falcons fan about Koetter and they’ll tell you “hope you like bubble screens” they ran a ton of them. #5 Charles sims in the 3rd round…? #6 Louis Murphy resigning and Robert Herron. I know I’m connect the dots here a little but the team has a plan and I think they are going for a more exciting brand of football and the NFL is a copy cat league. I try to stay open minded about it but I think the glazers and L&L are up to more than we know.

  103. knuckledragger Says:

    Man was Dante Fowler Jr. impressive at the Combine. They are now putting him at 2 to 4 overall pick. A dude that mean running a 1.53 in the first 10 yards of a 4.61 40? Dude is gonna be scary for a long time.

  104. PanthersSuck Says:

    What a loser.

  105. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Adding to your points……Lovie said he liked the SF & Seattle offenses….the hiring of Bajakian and the interviews with Sims & Holliday….2 spread late round QBs….potential backups to Mariota….

    There could be some major smokescreens or more likely trial balloons being floated by the Bucs right now…..only to pull a surprise on draft day.

  106. WS99 Says:

    I was impressed by Vic Beasley too.

  107. Brett Says:

    @ Luther

    J.J. got to walk off the field nine times with a win. Also Tom Brady didn’t win his superbowls by scoring 50pts. He won only when he had a DEFENSE.

  108. knuckledragger Says:

    Yeah DB, Beasley was awesome. Im on another site with some other Ebuds and they are Saints fans. They are foaming at the mouth for Beasley cause they know Fowler will be gone.
    Anyways I gotta cruise. Poker time.
    Peace out guys. Go Bucs!

  109. tbaybuc Says:

    I’m almost more OK with taking the shot at Winston and it failing than taking Marriota and it failing for some odd reason. Its like we’ve been so bad so long as Bucs fans that Winston instills some type of hope that i just don’t think Marriota gives us. Marriota may be a pro-bowler and Winston suck, or the opposite or some combo in between, you simply NEVER know for sure despite what the casual fan or hard core critic says. But Winston gets me pumped up to play and for better or worse, i haven’t felt that in our team for a while. I’m tired of being in full blown draft mode in November every year. Worst yet is my second team is the Jags. For the love of God please L&L pick the right guy.

  110. Luther Says:

    @Brett Brady is the QB. Once he got rolling, the team got rolling. J.J. Watt was rolling at All-Pro level, yet he was still home.

  111. Brandon Says:

    Robert 9 Says:
    February 24th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
    ” immature, cocky, arrogant, a lot of contradictions in his argument.”

    sounds about like what i been sayin!

    but to others thats “keepin it reaal” and the coaches love that stuff.

    those others have probably never interviewed a guy in their life. something I do for a living.


    Asking people how they plan on using the shoes they’re looking to buy from you isn’t really considered an interview.

  112. Bill Says:

    Winston’s college performance is in good company when compared to similar QB’s. Compare his college career to either Manning, Rivers, Stafford, Ryan, Brady, Brees, Ben, or Palmer. He had as good (or better) a career than all of these guys. These are elite/good NFL pocket passers. This is what everybody sees in Winston. Is 18 INTs a lot? Sure. Drew Brees threw 20 as a Sophmore. Eli threw 15 as a Junior. Palmer threw 18 as a Sophmore. Ryan threw 19 as a Senior. Red flags everywhere right?

    There’s only one guy since Peyton Manning who was clearly a better prospect, and that’s Andrew Luck.

  113. Daniel Says:

    Well said Bill. I think both QBs are amazing and would be happy with either. I didn’t have a favorite until recently watching the combine. and reading all the reports. I thought Winston did great in his interviews, well poised and showed Alpha like confidence. No offense to Mariota but I don’t want some humble quite QB. I want someone who believes they can take on anyone at anytime, clearly Winston proved that with all of his late game heroics.

    I like when people say ‘Someone to make our franchise proud,’ Warren Sapp was dick but he made us proud by helping us win. If winning doesn’t make you proud I think you are watching the wrong program, pretty sure the WE network has a few programs up your alley. Stealing crab legs and shouting a phrase that had gone viral doesn’t concern me. If you think that’s immature I have one question, did you ever go to college?

    There is no denying Winston has better mechanics(watch combine videos to see footwork) and has proven to consistently throw in tighter windows. I can’t wait to see both prospects in Gruden’s QB Camp, I want to see Winston’s “high football IQ” because these scouts and analyst are all over his nuts about how genius he is.

    It’s definitely not a no brainier but Winston should have the edge.

  114. Pickgrin Says:

    WS99 Says:
    February 24th, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    As for the interceptions, granted he threw 18 last year but in 2 years he threw for 65tds and 32 Ints?

    Winston in 2 years at FSU – 65 TD – 28 Int

    2013 – 40 TD – 10 Int
    2014 – 25 TD – 18 Int

    Big difference in both TDs and Ints between those 2 years. His surrounding cast had a LOT to do with that. 2013 FSU team was practically unbeatable. 2014 FSU team? They would have gone 7-5 or 8-4 if Winston was not the QB.

    Winston orchestrated FIVE 4th quarter come from behind victories in 2014.
    Winston is 7-0 in games that were decided by 7 points or less. (Mariota is 2-3)

    BTW – regarding the 18 Interceptions in 2014 – Coach Jimbo Fisher said only 8 of the 18 Ints were the fault of the QB.

  115. SkiBusFan Says:

    Glazers are business people. Mariota is from Hawaii via Oregon. Winston is from Alabama via Florida State in Tallahassee. Winston won a Championship. Mariota lost his chance to Ohio State.

    The Glazers want to build up the Season Ticket Base once again and get back to contention for Playoffs and the Super Bowl.

    Once Winston is selected as the #1 Pick Bucs will sell Season Tickets. Fans in the seats. Mariota won’t sell tickets in Tampa, he’s a west coast kid not even close to being a local.
    That’s my take!!

  116. lurker Says:

    win, it’s in his name

    #winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby

  117. Walter White Says:

    What good are fans in the stands if your QB is in the slammer?

    As an earlier post stated, it’s simple risk assessment. Ryan Leaf looked good too at one point, so did Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell, but if you feel one guy presents a bigger risk than the other, well, there ya go. To think some people wanted RG3 over Luck! HA HA HA!!!

  118. Johnny Dejay Says:

    @SkiBusFan I completely disagree that Jameis will sell tickets in Tampa better than Mariota. Being from a Florida school, he’s naturally a polarizing figure. College Football fans in Florida are very true to their allegiances, and I believe very few fans of southern teams other than FSU will be stirred to buy tickets to see Jameis play. The few FSU fans I know personally are all in favor of the Bucs drafting Jameis, but none of them intend to buy tickets either way. Selecting Mariota, from neutral Oregon, will likely attract fans from all the major southern schools. Mariota is the better player, the better person, and the better selling point for the Bucs.