“Nonsense About Moving Down”

January 16th, 2015
A "dog-day decision" may be pending for Bucs GM< Jason Licht.

A “dog-day decision” pending for Bucs GM Jason Licht?

Bucs fans are concocting crazy scenarios that have Tampa Bay doing all sorts of stupid things with the No. 1 overall pick — from not picking a quarterback, to allowing the Eagles to fleece the Bucs with Nick Foles.

Someone help Joe out: When did this Nick Foles all of a sudden become the next Jim Kelly?

If Chip Kelly doesn’t want Foles, why should the Bucs want him?

The “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH Kaufman of The Tampa Tribune, said any hare-brained scheme that doesn’t include the Bucs drafting a quarterback is a joke. Kaufman made the remarks during his weekly visit with the one and only Chris “Mad Dog” Russo on the station that bears his name, “Mad Dog Radio,” part of the family of sports channels heard exclusively on SiriusXM Radio.

“At this point, I don’t care if it is [Marcus] Mariota or if it is [Jameis] Winston,” Kaufman said. “I don’t want to hear any nonsense about moving down to No. 20 trying to get Nick Foles. You have a chance now to get one of these two guys I think they have to do it.

“You know, sometimes you have to roll the dice, Chris, but I tell you what: When you pick that guy [Winston] at No. 1, you know that your professional future is tied up with him. It’s a dog-day decision.”

Joe simply doesn’t understand the trade-down crowd. Trade down for what? You have the rare, rare, rare, rare chance to get a QB this franchise has never had. Why on earth would you want to pass that up?

And even if one trades down, the Bucs’ quarterback position is still garbage and the position is not addressed.

When your starter is the fifth-best in the division (at best), you damned right you better draft a quarterback with that No. 1 pick.

82 Responses to ““Nonsense About Moving Down””

  1. Tom Edrington Says:

    Moving down?

    Yeah, and Rod Marinelli was coming to Tampa…

  2. JoshFreeman Says:

    Call me…

  3. BucsQcCity Says:

    L&L didn’t prove (yet) that they can score multiple valuable players in the draft so Glazers shouldn’t allow them to even think about this possibility. Maybe ASJ is a beast or maybe he’s bathtub Stocker 2.0

    Winston for me but Mariotta is good too.

  4. Matt Says:

    Did anyone else hear Lil’ John in their head when they read “Trade down for what?”

  5. bucrightoff Says:

    There’s no Andrew Luck in this draft. And of the guys generally considered the top 10 QBs in the league, there’s as many from the 6th round or later (Romo and Brady) as there as from the #1 spot (Manning and Luck). So it’s a total crapshoot, we all know this. Lovie could draft a QB he’s not even around long enough to see on the field if he doesn’t improve the record next year.

    What I keep coming back to is I don’t think Lovie will take Jameis and Mariota has to sit to ensure he succeeds. Leonard Williams is the best player in the draft, he provides instant impact, and he’s a defensive guy so Lovie can actually have some say in moulding him unlike a QB where he should be banned. And he’ll look at Williams and see his new Julius Peppers, and getting another Julius Peppers appeals to Lovie way more than a QB.

  6. Luther Says:

    Winston is the pick unless he somehow gets lost at sea between now and draft day.

  7. Bird Says:

    Matt. Touché on the lil john comment. Freaking hilarious

  8. MTM Says:

    If Lovie ties himself to Winston it maybe his last draft with the Bucs. No coach in his right mind would take Winston after going 2-14. Mariota at minimum stays out of trouble and starts mid season.

  9. Phil Says:

    They better be drafting Jameis Winston. Any other option would be stupid.

  10. Pete Says:

    Taking a Qb who has never taken a snap under center is nonsense!

  11. Kaptain Morgan Says:

    All I have to say is I hope the Bucs do their due diligence with Winston. When they bring him in for his individual workout/interview, have some of the players “offer” to take him to Ybor, Mons, 2001, and a few other of Tampa’s “fine outstanding gentlemen establishments” and let’s see how he reacts to Lovie’s conservative values testing. Damn, I hope someone else besides Mariota and Winston steps up to become worthy of becoming the top overall draft pick! Bring on the combine!

  12. Architek Says:

    No one moves down that far – people are silly!

  13. JMN Says:

    There is no way the Eagles are going to jump from number 20 to the number one pick without giving copious amounts of draft picks. Definitely one of the more out there scenarios floating around right now.

  14. Joseph Mamma Says:

    Matt, that was hilarious.

  15. Dave Pear Says:

    I know I’m getting old when I had to You Tube Lil’ Jon to see what you were talking about. I saw his “Turn down for what?” video.
    Now I get it.

  16. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    Remember this time last year when Bridgewater was #1? Let’s wait two months and see whose stock falls out of the top 10 and then go from there.

  17. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Oh my god if another one of you mofos come with the whole there’s no andrew lucks in this draft I plan to push the god@$#! Button. You’re right there is no andrew luck in this draft. Mainly because this one is highlighted by the Great Jamies Winston.

  18. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    Eye-rah the greasy fat boy is just a talking head

  19. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Joe…ever year there are “rare rare rare rare” QB’s ….that mostly turn into medium to well QB’s…
    Trade down twice and let the rebuilding begin….

  20. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Don’t ef this up. Draft Winston.

  21. bucs4lyfe Says:

    trade down? as bad as the bucs have been they haven’t been in this position since 1987, have never had a franchise quarterback or even signed a quarterback to a second contract and they would trade down? the only people that say that are people who know nothing about the bucs or the history and are saying nonsense that makes me wonder why they are being asked

  22. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Trading down and letting these 2 fools make all the picks scares the CRAP out of me.

    Tell me again how well their picks did from last draft. Tell me they did a good job and I might be on board…barely.

  23. Bucfan4life Says:

    Winston is the guy! @scotty Mariota is this years version of Bridgewater. He is already sfalling down on mock draft boards. As soon as the so called experts started watching film of Oregon it dawned on them that what he is doing doesn’t translate to the NFL. If Jones had left OSU and declared for the draft I would consider him to be on par with Mariota. They are both good athletes but at this point there is really no way to know if they can play at the next level.

  24. Barry Says:

    Joe, anyway you can post Winston’s rap sheet? Just like to see what the Bucs will be looking at.

    He has no rap sheet. –Joe

  25. Dean Says:

    The final answer to the trade down question…………….The St. Louis Rams. 8 million draft picks, a semi-loaded squad, a good coach.

    What is missing?

    A QB that can win games. Where would Patriots be with out Brady? Colts without Luck? Seattle without…….you get the idea. It starts with a QB that is a leader and then you’ve got a chance.

  26. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Winston won’t be an immediate savior. It’s also very rare, rare, rare, rare that rookie QB’s do well as rookies.

    You have to take him though and let him grow.

  27. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Winston needs to play for a team on the otherside of the country…Tampa is too close to his hometown homies…his posse will be too much for him to resist…only a matter of time before he screws up or is associated with a screw up

  28. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Mariota won’t be an immediate savior. It’s also very rare, rare, rare, rare that rookie QB’s do well as rookies.

    You have to take him though and let him grow.

  29. meh Says:

    I’d trade down with the Titans if I liked both QBs, or they were taking the QB I didn’t want. That’s it though.

  30. bucrightoff Says:

    Dean Says:
    January 16th, 2015 at 9:24 am
    The final answer to the trade down question…………….The St. Louis Rams. 8 million draft picks, a semi-loaded squad, a good coach.

    What is missing?

    A QB that can win games. Where would Patriots be with out Brady? Colts without Luck? Seattle without…….you get the idea. It starts with a QB that is a leader and then you’ve got a chance.

    Right, but the Rams are so much more complete as a team then we are it isn’t even funny. They went 6-10 with Shaun Hill and Austin Davis who are at best the same as what we had at QB, and they play in the toughest division in football while we play in the suckiest. They got a ton from that trade, they made out like bandits. We should be so lucky to get such a package. That trade is why they’re in position to be a QB away from contenders. We are in no such position. Russell Wilson also went to a ready made situation, Andrew Luck is a generational talent (and no, Jameis and Mariota are not even close to that), Tom Brady a 6th rounder and Rodgers the bottom of the first round.

  31. MadMax Says:

    Stupid cowards….so scared to move down a few spots and pick up some real talent (plus extra picks)…smh! Scared they’re going to miss out on a Heisman winning QB (yeah, hows those translated to the NFL?)

    Oh, but extend Josh Freeman…lock him up now! Yes, I remember those blogs and posts!

    Yes, Joe did write it would be a good idea for the Bucs to lock up Freeman to a “team-friendly” contract, not the wacky money thrown around to starters we often see. –Joe

  32. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    JoeJoes Fungi Nails …Winston doesn’t have a posse despite what you’re trying to say. His 2 roommates were teammates. No homies or posse. smh

  33. BirdDoggers Says:

    There are several reasons why Lovie and Licht would consider trading down. Most notably, they just turned in a 2-14 season. They don’t have the luxury of time and won’t likely get another mulligan season. Taking a chance on a QB that needs time to develop and may never turn into an NFL caliber QB or taking a QB with character concerns is not exactly a move that will buy them time. It could hurt in the short term with hopes of the QB developing into a quality starter. If they take a QB, Lovie and Licht’s careers in Tampa will be tied to him. Would you tie your career to a character concern like Winston or a project like Mariota? Don’t know, i guess sometimes you have to take a chance.

    There are several reasons why they stay put and draft a QB. Glazers probably want a QB no matter what. A brand new, highly drafted QB will give the team and the fans an injection of hope and will sell jerseys. A defensive or offensive lineman won’t have the same result. In the end, the team owners will have final say and get what they want.

  34. David Says:

    Everyone keeps saying we are going to get a QB “this franchise has never had…”

    First off, yes we did have that caliber a QB… 3 times in history actually (Doug Williams, Steve Young, Vinny). The problem was the rest of the team was terrible and the owner was cheap.
    You get Winston or Mariota and they will spend most of the season running for their life. Because seriously….the Bucs have arguably the worst offensive line in the league. No one is going win behind this OL.

    Second, there is no guarantee either of these 2 QBs will amount to anything.

  35. greg Says:

    I would rather have the guy, Foles, who has proven that he might be able to be a great QB in this league than a couple of projects that cannot help us for a few years at best

  36. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    The trade down with Eagles crowd have no basis to go off of. It crazy to expect the Eagles to trade all the way up to #1 just for Mariota. I particularly do not want Foles as a QB. Draft a QB and let’s keep on moving.

  37. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


  38. tmaxcon Says:

    greg – problem with your logic is Foles has proven NOT to be great already. Why keep taking other teams garbage. That has not worked out.

    Lovie has no choice but to draft winston. Get your jersey’s now all you holier than thou fans… I can’t wait to Jameis wins a playoff game and you hypocrites switch sides….

    Lovie does not have time to wait for Mariota especially after the 2-14 mess that LOVIE HIMSELF created.

  39. David Says:

    tmaxcon, fans are holier than thou? Really? I never stole crab legs or raped a woman. Apparently that all good just as long as the dude can make “NFL throws.”

  40. Bucfan4life Says:

    Well @david don’t you think the Bucs will be addressing the o-line in the draft and free agency. I predict other than drafting a QB, improving that line will L&L’s primary focus this offseason. Hopefully it will be much improved next season.

    @joejoes fungi nails: try to disguise your racism a little better. Although he is black he does not have a posse and his “homies” are teammates. Although I am sure you also assume he is probably in a gang as well, I want to inform you that he is not. I am not even an FSU fan but I have read enough to know that he is a team leader and his group of friends are mostly his teammates.

  41. Soggy Says:

    If we already have the QB of the future than trading down is no so bad, I know 20 spots is not going to happen though..

  42. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    @joe no one said Foles was Jim Kelly. He is WAY better than what we have. And Chip Kelly would be getting rid of him for his QB that fits his system better. They are the only team in the league that run that type of offense. Foles is a big guy with a strong arm. Has experience and success in the NFL. JW or MM have 0 experience.

    Also, no QBs in this draft are clear cut Franchise QBs. That said, if we can pick up some extra picks and still get a good player in the 1st round. We would be stupid to not make the trade. We have too many holes on our team. 1 QB will not fix us right away. Adding a QB and multiple high draft picks builds a team up faster than anything else possible. Get off Winston’s D***…

  43. Stanglassman Says:

    Bucrightoff- Stats don’t prove your theory out re: QB crap shoot at any round. I won’t post a link but check out (use the google) ‘football outsiders QB 1st round’ article and you will see the best chance of getting a quality QB is to pick one early 1st round.

  44. SuperSam Says:

    If Lovie and Jason take Winston and he ends up getting into trouble again, that would be career suicide for both of them. I don’t see anyway they would be willing to risk it. To much is at stake to invest in a Jamarcus Russell 2.0

  45. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:
    January 16th, 2015 at 10:46 am

    “Also, no QBs in this draft are clear cut Franchise QBs.”

    Should read : In my opinion there are no clear cut Franchise QB’s in this draft.

    It was stated as a fact.

  46. Montana was the best Says:

    I know you are hoping for a new quarterback but believe me Lovie is going to work in Glennon with the new OC. Lovie will not start a rookie anyway so it would be a waste for him…..

  47. Montana was the best Says:

    Not to mention new OC said Glennon reminds him of Matt Ryan!

  48. John Says:

    We could also trade a number 1 for Revis….now that will get you fired.

  49. MadMax Says:

    Slam dunk home run picks:

    -Leonard Williams with our first

    -Trade down and get Andrus Peat or Amari Cooper (how many drops did V-drops have again?)

  50. Warthog Says:

    The draft is a crapshoot but the
    Bucs have been on a losing streak. Only way to win the franchise qb crapshoot is to keep rolling the dice.

  51. BucIt941 Says:

    I don’t understand where people come off wanting Foles so bad either. I would much much rather have someone like Andy Dalton if I was gonna take a sot on a mid lvl talented QB.

    Also I am getting sick and tired of hearing people say there is no Andrew Luck in this draft. Are you serious? Andrew Luck was a once in a generation draft. I was actually appalled when anyone even compared RG3 to him, bottom line there are NEVER Andrew Luck’s in these drafts. Does that for one second mean there isn’t a good future QB sitting in this draft somewhere? I wont mind having a Matthew Stafford, Andy Dalton, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, or Cam Newton QB production

  52. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Winston is nothing more than a cross between Ryan Leaf and Byron Leftwich with a little bit of Pacman Jones mixed in. Do you think that the Glazers want somebody like that as the face of their franchise? NOPE. Plus Lovie and Licht know they can’t miss on this pick. Look for them to pick the safest pick possible. They will either pick Williams at #1 or trade down a little and pick Peat. Just watch

  53. Jeagan1999 Says:

    “Joe simply doesn’t understand the trade-down crowd….” OK, Joe…let me explain it to you. The Bucs need MANY players….not JUST a QB! Trading down gives Tampa the extra picks to strengthen the O-Line, pass rush, middle LB spot, etc… If a team wants our #1 pick and is willing to give us a handful (or more) of top round picks over the next 2-3 years to get it, it gives the Bucs that much more ammunition to get the players we need….including a QB….to become competitive again. NOW I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE BUCS SHOULD TRADE DOWN, I’m merely saying that it is a viable option SHOULD THE RIGHT DEAL PRESENT ITSELF! Good QB’s are not always found in the top half of the 1st round of the draft….sometimes you find them at pick #17, or 32, or even in rounds 2 or 3. All I’m saying is imagine if we had 2#1’s and 2 #2’s next year and the year after that….that’s a lot of ammunition to rebuild our team with.

  54. BucIt941 Says:

    Picking a QB at the top of the draft this year will actually buy L&L one more guaranteed year! The first year is going to be chucked up as it was. His first year and a bumpy one but showed promise towards the end. Grabbing a talented QB like Winston or Mariota will buy them a little more breathing room because it is his rookie year.

    This team desperately needs a QB above all else. Trading down and stock piling trades may be in the best interest of the franchise but not Lovie Smith. He doesn’t have the luxury of time to invest in building a team from the ground up. Picking a DT or DE with the top overall pick is also a bigger risk with less pay out than one of the QB’s IE Jadevon Cloweny. Plus please tell me how many playoffs Texans have got to simply because of JJ Watt? All I am saying is don’t loose focus on the biggest single most important position we need to address. We have no real choice but between which QB to take a risk on and pray he can take us to the promise land!

  55. MadMax Says:

    @Bucit941, Clowney had “bust” written all over him if you paid enough attention….so does Winston and Mariota (IMO)

    Williams, Peat, Scherff, Cooper, Petty….I dont see bust in those picks.

  56. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    If you don’t see bust in Petty, you aren’t looking.

  57. BucIt941 Says:


    St. Louis tried that. How did it work out for them? Oh yeah, still not in the play offs because they don’t have a QB. You can fix a whole team but no QB you’ll be sitting at home every January, Now if you Have a QB you can build a team around him.

    And honestly I don’t think we have nearly as many holes as people think! I feel people are in panic mode, yes our record says we are the worst team. But outside of a few games the Bucs were highly competitive and lost games by a single score or less. We are on the verge of a turn a around we are not in rebuild mode still. All our Offense needs is 2 solid O-Lineman, a QB, and possibly someone to replace V-Jacks soon. Our Defense needs a DE, MLB, and CB (add a TRUE FS to that). that’s 8 spots out of 22. Easily able to fill these needs via FA and Draft this year. Take a breathe, the sky is NOT falling.

  58. MadMax Says:

    @sky, for a 3rd or 4th, nope.

  59. BucIt941 Says:


    My only point was saying we should get a DE/DT over a QB is NOT gonna help us win games and get into the playoffs.

    And so did Cam Newton, Everyone was worried about Carolina taking him #1 overall he wasn’t considered a Franchise QB and had character concerns, actually thinking about it Cam is a combo of both Winston and Mariota. Anyways seems it turned out alright for Carolina. Sometimes you just need to take the risk.

    Whether you like it or not we don’t have many choices. You can try to get Foles or Dalton, you can try for a 3rd time to see if Glennon actually has what it takes to be successful in the NFL or you take your shot on 1 of the 2 promising young QB’s coming out. Yes both have bust potential so does every other draftable player. But they both have potential to be a huge success also.

  60. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:


    So any pick in the 3rd or after isn’t a bust?

  61. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    I might take Petty in the late 4th or 5th round, but not for a 3rd.

  62. Jeagan1999 Says:

    @ BucIt941

    “St. Louis tried that. How did it work out for them?” ….It didn’t because their hand picked, #1 overall QB (Sam Bradford) has been injured so many times, he can’t stay on the field! But the players they chose with those extra picks have done very well for the Rams!

    Thanks for PROVING MY POINT!

  63. Barry Says:

    “Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown”.

    Joe, you need to add in these to give people who don’t know all of Winston’s flaws (redflags).

    He allegedly walked into a Burger King and drank soda out of the fountain without purchasing it or any food to go with it. The restaurant declined to press charges.

    A female FSU student accused him of rape.

    We should know the character of the QB that some want us to draft number one overall. To be fair I tried to find alleged crimes against Mariota, but didn’t find any.

  64. Aubpierce Says:

    Did you guys forget Steve Young? He was a franchise QB and we gave him away. The Duck and Seminole might become a franchise QB,but the Bucs must replace ten starters to be super. If someone is willing to give a couple of first round picks over the next two years and some second and third round picks take it and run. There are other very good QBS in this draft that may very well end better then the above mentioned.

  65. Buccfan37 Says:

    I wonder if Lovie is on board with Winston as the Bucs top pick. He doesn’t seem to fit Lovie’s squeaky clean personna. Maybe if he was ordered to from on high. Perhaps Lovie will bite his tongue and risk the I told you so.

  66. Cascade Says:

    OK Joe, here’s the explanation for why some would want a trade down… If you’re not convinced that Winston or Mariota are going to be franchise QBs, then you get out of that slot. As Lovie would say, “simple as that.”

    If your research into Winston leads you to believe that there’s a good chance his personal behavior might derail him, especially with all the money and opportunities for misbehavior, then he’s not your franchise QB.

    If you think Mariota has not shown enough skills as an NFL passer to be effective, or his transition is a multi-year project, then he’s not your franchise QB either.

    Furthermore, if you knew there was a Derek Carr type of QB to be had later in round 1 or early round 2, and you had a strong conviction that he would be an above-average NFL starter, possible Pro-Bowler even, you could reduce your overall risk by trading out of #1, getting a boatload of picks to bolster your roster, and still draft a quality QB.

    I don’t know what the Bucs’ personnel department thinks, but both these QBs scare me a little as #1 overall. Neither of them are totally safe picks. I’m not saying which way is the right way to go, especially since I waver between Mariota, Winston, or trade down almost daily.

    One can’t deny there are reasonable arguments (at least in theory) for a trade down.

    Simple as that.

  67. Cristian lara Says:

    It’s funny that nobody wants to trade down. Mark my words Joe. Both of these guys will be irrelevant in a few years. Due to the fact that they are Heisman winners. For example Matt Leinart Tim Tebow rg3 Sam Bradford troy smith Jason white. Heck you can throw cam newton in their the only reason he’s been to the playoffs the past two seasons have been because of his defense and a crappy nfc south. We need a qb that has all the tools their and under the radar type like when Russell Wilson, drew Brees, Tom Brady came out of the draft.

  68. Buctebow Says:

    Bucit941, you make some good points. They have an opportunity in FA and the draft to fill holes and will be more competitive regardless of the QB situation.

  69. Celly Says:

    The trade down crew is also collectively known as the fire Lovie crew.

  70. Bill Says:

    Cascade, I’d say that’s a fair assessment of the situation.

    Personally I think the interview process will help Winston quite a bit, not hurt him as so many people believe. I can understand why some people have the opinion they do, but as an FSU fan I also understand how twisted some of those stories became. I suspect the Bucs and any other team that looks into him will see that when the time comes.

    He’s made two errors since the rape accusation, the student union twitter incident and the crab leg “theft”. The twitter thing is somewhat new and several athletes and celebrities have been caught off guard in similar ways. Riley Cooper dropping the N-word comes to mind. Society as a whole is still adjusting to the new (lower) level of privacy technology has imposed on us. The crab leg incident comes with some questions as to whether it was actually a theft to begin with, but regardless, he turned himself in and paid his fine. Not to different from Mariottas speeding ticket a month ago, and far less significant than the 6 figure extortion scheme that was associated with Newton.

    All the other stuff happened “3” years ago before he was even the face of FSU, much less thinking about being the face of an NFL franchise. People say he needs to mature, that’s probably true, but I’d contend that the maturing process is already farther along than people think.

  71. Pickgrin Says:

    Aubpierce Says:
    January 16th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
    There are other very good QBS in this draft that may very well end better then the above mentioned.

    Oh really? Name one.

  72. MadMax Says:


    Brett Hundley and Bryce Petty

    coming out next year maybe? Cardale Jones and TCU’s Trevone Boykin

  73. MadMax Says:

    @Celly, if thats true that we are the fire Lovie crew, then stand up and pay attention because we ARE in the majority!

  74. MadMax Says:

    Like I said a while back, this is the first draft where Im ok with pretty much whatever we do. Do I want a rookie QB right now? Not really, but Im good with either Winston or Mariota. Just hope the O line can get some much needed patch work before they’re running for their lives.

    Of course like 99% here, Im NOT ok with this Oline, but they will address it….exactly how is left to be seen.

    Am I good with our D, in particular the pass rush where its at? Not really, especially if GMC gets injured again, then there will be absolutely NO pass rush! At least Williams gives us a nice backup option in that scenario. But picturing him beside McCoy just blows my mind imagining the HAVOC they could be creating!

    And V-Drops? Well, could we have won some of those close games if he hadnt dropped some of those? Thats why Im good if we trade down and go with Amari Cooper.

  75. Celly Says:

    MadMax Says:
    January 16th, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    @Celly, if thats true that we are the fire Lovie crew, then stand up and pay attention because we ARE in the majority!


    Being in the majority doesn’t make you right.

  76. Jason Licht Says:

    CALL BRETT FAVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  77. MadMax Says:

    Celly, I dont care to battle about being right. Im very humble, have been wrong a few times in life and have learned. Im offering my “opinion”…..right or wrong, you’re getting what you pay for it friend 🙂

  78. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    Yep, I would trade down,.. play Glennon, and sit back and laugh as he turns out to be better than either of the two QBs in this draft! 🙂

  79. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    BucIt941 Says:
    January 16th, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    St. Louis tried that. How did it work out for them? Oh yeah, still not in the play offs because they don’t have a QB. You can fix a whole team but no QB you’ll be sitting at home every January, Now if you Have a QB you can build a team around him.

    Actually without even realizing it you made the best case for drafting down of any poster here. In fact St. Louis DID draft a QB #1!!! Perhaps you’ve heard of Sam Bradford the top pick in his draft.

    That is why Bobby Beathard disagree so TOTALLY with Joe. He was the king of trading down because the odds on ANY draft pick are a crap shoot. The more picks the better the odds.

    I’m not against drafting a QB. But everybody who says we MUST draft a QB make me very nervous. We have a need at QB. We all agree except for the MGM. Just because we have a need doesn’t mean we have a solution.

    It’s not about drafting a QB…it’s about drafting the right QB. If neither of these two guys are worth a top pick I’ll trust L&L and Koetter to figure that out. If they pick one I’ll trust that decision as well.

    Sorry but for some silly reason I trust the professionals whose careers are riding on the choice more than a bunch of bloggers, myself included.

  80. Bill Says:

    The interesting thing to note here is that after the highly viewed and publicized NC game, the average fan has come to realize that Winston is the better football player.

    Now the issue has turned to: trust Winston or trade down.

    The idea of Leonard Johnson lining up next to McCoy is a sweet one, I’ll acknowledge that….but at the end of the day, this league is powered by QB’s, not tackles. Not OT’s or DT’s….but QB’s.

    We need a QB, and at this point most people realize MM isn’t a fit for the bucs.

    Winston is an incredible leader. Not good, not great, but incredible. What you see as “spoiled” or “bratty”, his teammates see as “passionate” and “uncompromising”.

    McCown cried at press conferences….Jameis rallies the troops. There’s no crying in football. If you want players who accept losing, don’t support Jameis. I assure you, he won’t stand for it, and that’s the kind of player I want in a Bucs uni.

  81. MadMax Says:

    @Bill, the trenches, what is it you dont understand about the TRENCHES? Pick your choice of the top NFL QB’s and put them behind our O line.

    Furthermore, the trenches on D! We lost 8 games by 6 points or less, and most were in the 4th quarter after we had the lead.

    While Im ok with Winston if we go there, the trenches on O line and D line MUST be improved unless we want to be picking #1 (or top 5) again next year! We also need a Wideout who doesnt have stone hands 30% of the time.

  82. Jeagan1999 Says:

    @StPeteBucsFan…..you and I are thinking alike. I also brought up the whole Sam Bradford fiasco and the Rams as an example of taking a QB at #1 and of trading down.

    I’m sure the Rams never figured Bradford to be injured all the time. If they had they never would have drafted him so high. On the other hand, the trade back with Washington a couple years ago (the RGIII deal) has helped the Rams a lot because they turned those picks into some very good players that allowed them to rebuild their defense, RB and Oline.

    This just goes to show that we would be crazy not to at least consider trading down if another team offers us a great deal. QB’s are not always taken in the top of the first round….sometimes good QB’s are available at the end of round 1, or even in rounds 2-6!