“On The Verge” Of What?

December 21st, 2014

lovie 1029“Except for three games this year, we’ve been in every one. So I think true football fans can see that we are on the verge. We have built a foundation. We’re not there yet. But in time we will win football games around here, and win a lot of football games. Going through tough times like this, going through adversity like we’re doing. It’s making us stronger.” —Lovie Smith, Monday, Dec. 15, on the Buccaneers Radio Network.

Lovie Smith proudly uttered the stunning quote above on Monday. It was painful and confusing for Joe to hear. Is Lovie seeing something Joe and Bucs fans everywhere are not?

Joe really doesn’t get the “on the verge” assessment.

The Bucs were non-competitive today for the fourth time this season, twice in the past three weeks. And it was no surprise.

That’s not “on the verge.” Perhaps Lovie really was talking about the NFL Draft?

What most disturbs Joe is the Bucs don’t look like an angry, violent, hungry football team. They don’t look they’re building anything going into next season.

At least Raheem Morris won two of his last three in the rebuilding year of 2009.

95 Responses to ““On The Verge” Of What?”

  1. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    Lovie the Liar strikes again! He and his little buddy Josh Mccown both suck and do Not deserve to be BUCS!

  2. bucrightoff Says:

    Fire him, blow it up except the young guys and get real football people in here. This team is so far away it needs to realize that Lovie can’t get us anywhere and there is no shot we’ll ever win consistently under him. He’s poor at developing players and we need someone to build this roster from the ground up. Lovie isn’t the guy, we are a miracle win away from 1-15.

  3. BucfaninMi Says:

    Fire Lovie

  4. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    How many points per game are we averaging with Mcclown at QB this year, and how does that compare to the games where Mike Glennon started? Also,.. our D-fense is better now than when Glennon was starting!

  5. Oahubuc Says:

    We’ve been on the verge for about a decade now. Expect 4 wins next year.

  6. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You guys can type fire Lovie until your hands bleed. Not gonna happen.

  7. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Verge….this is the splattered body after the cliff…….

  8. rayjay1122 Says:

    The Putrid Pirates strike again.

  9. Patrick in VA Says:

    I’ll still back Lovie in saying that we’re on the verge. The defense looked just fine. Sure, we could use a couple more talented players, along with our starters back from IR, but they did fine. We didn’t budge the football on offense. I’m surprised that the center was able to get his hand on the ball without it being slapped away. This loss was 100% on the offense, and I’d give 90% of that to the come l choke job by the qb and the line. Weak play and poor schemes all day long. Those are fixable things that this offseason can fix.

  10. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Fire Lovie !

  11. Howard Cosell Says:

    McCown: Nice guy. Below-average QB with a terrible clueless O-line.
    End Result: An abomination of an offense. A burning bag of dog-s**t.

    O-line: They look completely un-coached. They look like they have no
    plan what-so-ever. They look like they don;t practice at all. They look
    like five Michael Johnsons (like they have no heart at all).

    Michael Johnson: Pathetic soulless poser. What a bad example for kids.
    Get your payday and cash the f**k out. F**k the fans. F**k the owners.
    F**k the staff. You got yours. I really hate this guy. He should be sued
    for breach of contract.

    Owners: Only constant since 2004.

    I went out and did some shopping until about 2:30.
    I wish I had shopped until 4pm. Maybe the most dyfunctional s**t-show
    in the history of the NFL. Great job Glazers.

  12. bucrightoff Says:

    We know Lovie isn’t getting fired Hawaiian. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be getting fired.

  13. lurker Says:

    lovie has made the offensive line worse.

    he has made the team worse.

    he has made us a 2-14 team.

    in lovie we suck!

  14. P'cola Buc Says:

    “Except for three games this year, we have been in every one”. My apologies Lovie, we really should be proud of our 2-13 team. You have done wonders with our offense. Ever think that by improving the offense during the draft you would actually be helpful to your beloved defense by giving them some quality time off the field? Get a darn quarterback with the 1st pick! Give us some hope for the future…something to cheer about. What is the total story with Tedford? Does it have something to do not being able to successfully trade up to get Carr? Inquiring beloved fans want to know.

  15. Another J Says:

    On the verge of needing new drywall.

  16. BlakeJohnson Says:

    He’s obviously talking about the defense. And he’s not totally wrong. Today our defense, sans Gerald McCoy, held the most explosive offensive attack to 20 points. And had an Impressive goal line stand. We would’ve had a chance to win, if not for the incompetent, man-child, crybaby, dipstick of quarterback. And the sieve of an O-line. We are on the verge, if we draft a franchise next year, and get some more meat up front, we will win more games, simple as that.

  17. OB Says:

    Just fire Lovie next Monday, or today for that matter, and we will be fine. Don’t fire him and I doubt any season ticket holders will exist.

  18. Soggy Says:

    Our winning season was not going 0-16.. Ya baby..

  19. T REX Says:

    Lovie is worthless

  20. blackmagic00 Says:

    I disagree with the non competitive statement. Yes the offense was quite offensive. The defense however was something to be proud of. What else can you ask of them when they’re on the field for two thirds of the game against a team like the Packers? If anything we need a true offensive coach to come in and be granted the ability he needs to change the offense without Lovies input. Probably won’t happen.

  21. lightningbuc Says:


    The defense looked fine? They gave up 430 yards to a team that appeared to be, at the least, disinterested and bored. I wish I could wear the same rose colored glasses you watch the games with week after week.

  22. CAN'T FIX IT Says:

    FIRE,fire , FIRE, fire, FIRE, fire ,FIRE……………

  23. Oahubuc Says:

    The defense did look very decent against a monster of a QB. I’m really starting to believe in Frazier. We need a strong and competent character for an OC. Lovie is going to need to be truly hands-off on that side of the ball. We do NOT need a yes man in that position, and if Lovie refuses to loosen his grip, then yes, he should be fired.

  24. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    If you know something isn’t going to happen, then why type it? It’s like the Bucs putting 2014 playoff tickets up for sale.

  25. LargoBuc Says:

    Lovie just needs to worry about the defense and coaching on gameday. The bucs need to bring in an offensive mind who can be to this team what monte kiffin was for thr defense when gruden took over. Lovie has way too much control.

  26. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Lightning, they gave up points, but they did NOT play like a team that had given up on winning.

    I still trust Lovie, depending on the draft this year.

  27. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I will defend the defense a little. Our defensive scheme is going to give up a lot of yards. It’s designed to bend but not break. Also, they are missing a bunch of key cogs. I was pretty impressed with them, considering.

  28. Jack Says:

    I have no confidence in Lovie or the general manager and I do not understand why he continues to start Mcown and you cannot tell me he gives you the best chance to win.

    This message goes out to the Glazers, how are you going to instill confidence to the fans that they will be better. I supported Lovie at the beginning of the year but now he is a horrible coach and has effectively made a very bad Schiano team even worse and has shown that neither him nor the gm cannot evaluate talent at all. I do not put the blame for the bad offense on Tedford leaving because Lovie could have easily brought in an interim offense coordinator to help run things. So this 2 win season is on Lovie.

  29. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Lovie has MADE THIS TEAM WORSE !!!!!!

  30. bucrightoff Says:

    Then why come on here and say anything Hawaiian? Beat the drum for a QB doesn’t mean they’ll draft one. Lovie can’t build a team, look at the offensive line for proof. He inherited most of the defensive players and turned over most of the offense. Says a lot doesn’t it?

  31. T REX Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    Why type it? Because Lovie is a loser who has only been to he postseason 3 out of 10 seasons. What a crap hire. Someone needs to clean house from the Glazers on down.

  32. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Hawaiian Buc Says
    “You guys can type fire Lovie until your hands bleed. Not gonna happen.”


    In fact, by insisting he be fired, they are setting themselves up for a stressful future. Come next year, from the start, they will be whining.

  33. Tye Says:

    Lovie is NOT the HC the owners or some fans thought he was… 1 of the worst of the 32 HC… The Bucs are as hard to watch today as they were at the 1st of the season… No coaching, NONE, 0…. Keeping Lovie will do more harm than good to this organization going forward… Worst team in the worst division…

    Give all the bogus excuses you can come up with to save a losing HC but it want change his 2-13 record… Only 3 points in this game…

    Losing w/Lovie will continue on!

  34. RCH Says:

    If they actually had some what of an offense without a turn over prone QB they would be on the verge of something.

  35. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    McCown just cannot make eye contact with the camera.

  36. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I agree with Patrick’s take in terms of talent. But the coaching will still hold us back.

    Let’s take a best case scenarioi. We take one of the Heismans first. Our 2nd will be like a late 1st round and we pick up a stud OT to match with Dotson whichever side they line up. We pick up a pass rusher. Then we draft a couple of guards in the hope that at least one of them works out.

    The sticking point is still Lovie/Dungy. Lovie wants to play Dungy ball. That was freaking boring enough in the late 90’s and early oughts. It’s just not smart anymore. The NFL wants an offensive game and have changed the rules making the defense first, pound the rock coaches dinosaurs.

    As many of you have said…what self respecting OC would want to work for Dungy or Lovie…that’s why you get jokes like Clyde Christiansen and Marcus Arroyo. And why do we give Tedford so much benefit of the doubt. I’m sorry for his illness, no personal ill will on my part, but I suspect Tedford would have sucked as well. If he and Lovie agreed on so much then Tedford has to suck at offense.

    Lovie IS the problem. At least for now. He’s a class act. Players like and respect him. If he could change with the times and rules and get an actual NFL quality OC and give him one of the Heiman’s to work with we could become good very quickly.

    it’s not out of the realm of reality to at least reach the playoffs next year with either Jameis or Marcus. Remember we’re talking the NFC South. The Falcons are in shambles and ready to fire their GM and coach. The Saints have run aground and there’s even talk Sean Payton is ready to move on.
    That leaves the stinking Panthers. We can beat them even with a rookie QB if we had an OC that could game plan and call a decent game and our defense continues it’s obvious improvement.

  37. CB Buc Says:

    The Head Coach is responsible for the entire team, not just half of it. Yes, the defense is improving, but in 16 weeks Lovie has sat by and let the offense get worse.

    16 weeks of ignoring the biggest problem on the team. This man has to go next Monday. There is no justification for keeping him.

  38. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Lovie Smith
    (Aug 4, 2014)

    “We’ve been together for a while now. I don’t think you have to play together five years to get that chemistry,” he said. “We’ve had a lot of practices together, a lot of time together in the meeting rooms.

    Bucs Offensive Line Has Time to Jell

  39. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Lovie Says “Don’t Overreact”
    August 9th, 2014

  40. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I hate to break it to you, but Tampa will never have winning football if they keep firing coaches after 1-2 years. You have to be willing to sit through the hard times and gain stability.

    Otherwise, players will NEVER buy into a head coach, because they will figure he’ll be gone in a year or so.

    So there you have it, people. KEEP LOVIE.

  41. Buccin cane Says:

    Any chance Leslie Frazier gets fired too?

  42. mdsbuc Says:

    I can’t say it enough. Fire this coach….. yesterday!

  43. Another J Says:

    The Defense has played lights out considering how long they stay on the field,and The poor field position that McCown leaves them with his fumbles or picks.

  44. lightningbuc Says:


    I agree the defense looked OK at times. But you have to admit, it appeared the Packers brought some pretty vanilla offense to this game knowing they were playing a far inferior opponent.

  45. BucFan20 Says:

    BUT WE WERE A 4 AND 12 TEAM ! Would someone please post this on his office door!!!!

  46. SAMCRO Says:

    It was painful and confusing for Joe to hear.

    What do you actually expect him to say? Yeah, ..ok, sometimes the truth will set you free, but in this case Joe, being brutally honest, could get him fired. I think he’s smarter than that.

  47. Walter White Says:

    If we could score points we could win every game. But even a good OC & QB don’t guarantee that every week. What we are guaranteed next year, Buc fans, is that if a game or crucial decision of any consequence comes down to the head coach, we are guaranteed to lose that battle. I’m sorry, I don’t believe in things that aren’t real! The defense looks much improved, yes, but it’s the whole philosophy of Tampa2. Our team sucks so bad and any excuse you want to make can’t change the fact that it all falls on Lovie. He has been a complete and total FAIL this year. Major, big time, FAIL.

  48. mark2001 Says:

    Am I wrong at thinking the worst we can do in the draft now is #2?

  49. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    If Lovie was a life long surgeon,as he has been a football coach,….would you let him operate on you…..

  50. Walter White Says:


    Math (or reading, comprehension, cognitive thinking, etc.) is not one of Lovie’s strong suits…

  51. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    “Am I wrong at thinking the worst we can do in the draft now is #2?”…the worst we can do is have L&L in the draft room……

  52. mark2001 Says:

    Meaning we are guaranteed one of the top two QB? Looking at strength of schedule of the 3 win teams, seems we would have the weakest percentage.

  53. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Lovie Smith-Doesn’t believe in offensive line continuity

    Per Mr. Smith
    Aug 29th 2014

    “It’s been talked an awful lot about “the offensive line, they have to play together’’,’’ Smith said. “I don’t buy that at all. I think you get the best possible guys you can, and you make moves when you have to.’’

    “He knows how to get himself ready. He’ll have to change a little bit of terminology but not as much as you would assume. He’ll fit in right away and I don’t think that will be a big issue. Some of our other offensive linemen haven’t played a lot together. But these three preseason games, they’ve come together. Based on the way they played the last time they were together [in the third preseason game], we like where we’re at going into the Carolina game [to open the regular season].’’

  54. Deacon Blues Says:

    Saints have nothing to play for next week… We better not win a meaningless game!!

  55. bucs4lyfe Says:

    I don’t know why the hell anyone listens to Joe. A team can’t do anything until a foundation is built, media has no clue how to do it either do they just hang on to a persons every word and exploit it because next year they can pretend as if they never said all the things they said. Talk about forgetful so if the team comes out fast and furious you won’t have to answer that on the verge post…. As if you expected the offense to do anything different than it has all year, that would make you the idiot wouldn’t it?

  56. CB Buc Says:

    BB, that’s nonsense when it comes to this coach. There is no future here especially if you consider he’s had no prior history of sustained success.

    And, btw, 10 games ago you defended MJ90 because he “runs the arc”…. WTF!

  57. mark2001 Says:

    Or do we have to hope for an Oakland victory over Buffalo?

  58. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    If Lovie was your Doctor would you go back ?
    Hell no
    Fire Lovie

  59. JJV Says:

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here, but the Lovie Lover’s are right. Through my beer glass goggles, we are looking up. Only problem is we are circling the drain. Mighty fine job coach. We couldn’t have done it without you this season.

  60. Deacon Blues Says:

    If it was up to this fan base… You would have wanted Tom Landry; Chuck Noll; Bill Walsh etc… all fired. Change for the sake of change is ridiculous. Stability and a Qb is the key to success.

  61. andres Says:

    Mcown loses another one. This guy thinks he can hold the ball forever. He doesnt even know his protections to keep himself upright and doesnt audible out of obvious blitzes. When he lucks out with a decent fit then he overthrows wide open receivers. The defense is very legit.

    If you dont see progress then you have to trust the coaches and stop whining all the time or learn the game at least.

  62. Tom Edrington Says:

    Simple as that………..

  63. the verge Says:

    Not only is no one on me, there ain’t a single buccaneer within eyesight of me.

  64. Noel Says:

    Continuity is something the Bucs has not seen since Gruden, so with that said I really think the Bucs made a bad choice with Lovie, do we again need to search for a head coach that is relavent or is this the way?

  65. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    “Change for the sake of change is ridiculous”…this is not change for change sake….my freak’n Gawd !!!!!
    is for Failure…incompetence…ineptitude and pigheadedness….

  66. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    You are correct. We are guaranteed at least a 2nd IF we lose to New Orleans next week.

    Yes if you asking are we guaranteed a shot at a Heisman trophy winner you are correct.

    Miami just came back to beat Minnesota!!! Thank you Dophins! That just improved our strenght or actually our lack of strength of schedule since Minnesota was a team that beat us.

  67. Joe Says:

    What do you actually expect him to say? Yeah, ..ok, sometimes the truth will set you free, but in this case Joe, being brutally honest, could get him fired. I think he’s smarter than that.

    Joe would fire the guy for lying.

  68. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “Then why come on here and say anything Hawaiian? Beat the drum for a QB doesn’t mean they’ll draft one.”


    Because us drafting a QB has a chance of happening. Firing Lovie isn’t going to happen, period. It’s great to write about what could or should happen, but there has to at least have a possibility of it happening. Lovie isn’t going to get fired, period. Does he deserve to based off of this year – absolutely. However, this is obviously a long term project. There’s no point in playing coaching carousel. Vince Lombardi couldn’t take this team anywhere.

  69. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    All is not lost yet. Yes the season has been a total disaster.

    Depends on what the Glazers do next. If they bring in L&L and tell them they’ve lost confidence in Lovie and they FORCE him to draft one of the Heismans and then tell Licht to shop for the best OC they can find to develop him and the rest of the offense I can honestly see this team getting to the playoffs next year.

    Depends on how much power the Glazers are willing to take from Lovie. They should tell him he’s not in charge of this years draft, and he’s not going to be calling the offensive shots at all. FORCE him to accept an OC with the authority to run an exciting open offense, not an offense designed not so much to win but simply to avoid losing.

    What could Lovie do if the Glazers did that behind closed door without embarrassing him publicly. Quit? That works for everybody. We could use the money he’d give up to hire a coach who doesn’t consider offense a four letter word.

  70. BirdDoggers Says:

    The Bucs were in the game for three + quarters. The offense is the big problem. The team needs an offensive coordinator, QB and an offensive line. The team absolutely needs a QB but it won’t do much good without a line. It’s time to spend early round draft picks to shore up the line.

  71. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    BTW When I say I can see us reaching the playoffs next year with one of the Heisman’s I’m not talking about our team being world beaters. We’d be one and done but it’s a start.

    Atlanta is in shambles ready to fire GM and Coach and start over.
    New Orleans has deteriorated to the point rumors are swirling about whether Payton even wants to stay. Perhaps he’s just bored.
    Carolina? Sorry I’m not a believer in Cam Newton. Great talent but inconsistent. When he’s good he’s great but when he’s bad he’s really bad.

  72. JJV Says:

    We need to defend Lovie. He brings stability, continuity, and future success. Without him there is no hope. Hail to our leader. Guide us true fans to enlightenment. We shall see the phoenix rise from the ashes and deliver us from irrelevance.

  73. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I know lot of season ticket holders begging for reimbursements. After being told a bold face lie. No one of can say what will.. and will not happen. Only the owners can make that decision. We’ll all know soon enough

  74. T REX Says:

    Too bad Lovie won’t quit. That would be the best case scenario. He’s terrible.

  75. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    *We’ll know soon enough

  76. bucrightoff Says:

    But Hawaiian you’ll notice almost all our best players this season were here last year and most of the players Lovie has brought in have not been all that great. It was that way in Chicago, he made the playoffs two of the first three years and missed five of the last six, which is no coincidence as the team has more Lovie drafted and developed players. I just don’t see him being a guy who will build us to be competitive for the long term. If it’s all about QB Lovie has nothing to do with it. I’d rather have an offensive coach developing a #1 pick QB.

  77. Patrick in VA Says:

    @LightningBuc – the defense bent but didn’t break. Look at the time of possession. The defense was on the field the whole game. They had an bunch of big stops. They gave upa td to eddie lacey, which I’d like to not have happen of course, and they gave one up when the offense gave the pack the ball on a super short field. That’s against the best qb in the game who is being talked about as the mvp this year. Yes, that’s a fine day. They can give up all the yards they want. They kept a high octane offense out of the end zone pretty well, considering how many chances the pack had to score

  78. ihateloviesmith Says:

    lovie is a veteran coach, and if he is as good as the media, and analysts say, well with his veteran defensive coordinator you would have think they could have, should have, at least won 5 games in a rebuilding year, but he promised us that it wasn’t a rebuilding year, and can only manage 2 wins in 15 games. with his experience I would have to say that is unacceptable. it would do no harm at all to fire this whole group, because after totally gutting the offensive line, as well as all the other hand picked players he signed on, they actually are going to have to do the same next season, because this group is not cutting it. and thus here we go again on another rebuild year. where we have to have new lineman on both sides of the ball. as well as another QB throwing the ball, so really what is the point to keep L&L . other than saving money there is not going to be any continuity anyway. and the glazers can write these checks everyday no problem. so with the first pick i would have a competent coach to go along with him because it is going to be a long rebuild without one. by the way can anyone on the bucs count past eleven

  79. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    Sad to say, but I am finding myself more interested in what the Bucs news will look like next Monday than I am about Bucs news next Sunday. Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye (Lovie, Leslie, Mark, etc)

  80. Biff Barker Says:

    Did anybody else the Packers offense was coasting today?

    Rogers wasn’t 100% but there was no sense of urgency to score. They knew we couldn’t.

  81. lightningbuc Says:


    My point exactly. The Packers offense was just toying with the Bucs D.

  82. Brandon Says:

    Patrick in VA Says:
    December 21st, 2014 at 4:59 pm
    I’ll still back Lovie in saying that we’re on the verge. The defense looked just fine. Sure, we could use a couple more talented players, along with our starters back from IR, but they did fine. We didn’t budge the football on offense. I’m surprised that the center was able to get his hand on the ball without it being slapped away. This loss was 100% on the offense, and I’d give 90% of that to the come l choke job by the qb and the line. Weak play and poor schemes all day long. Those are fixable things that this offseason can fix.

    Nice to see at least one voice of reason. It is absurd to fire a coach and GM after one single season, especially considering the Tedford mess. This team is fighting and playing hard, they haven’t quit, something you can’t say the team didn’t do with Schiano, Morris, and even Gruden those last 4 games.

    I think the knee jerk reactions to these losses is ridiculous. Their offense is terrible, an offseason with a new OC and more talent will make a world of a difference. Considering what we did on defense to one of the best offenses in the league, without our top defensive player (think about how we looked last time we didn’t have McCoy), and the fact that adding additional talent is inevitable, they will only improve.

    Mariota at QB and Philbin or Lazor or Trestman or Carl Smith (QB coach of the Seahawks) or Ben McAdoo (OC for the Giants) or maybe even Pete Carmichael (he’s the OC for the Saints but doesn’t call plays) and suddenly this offense becomes formidable.

    On a less depressing note, Mike Evans is 3 yards away from 100 and Jackson is only 9. When was the last time the Bucs had 2 1000 yard seasons at receiver? My guess is ZERO.

  83. Brandon Says:

    mark2001 Says:
    December 21st, 2014 at 5:16 pm
    Am I wrong at thinking the worst we can do in the draft now is #2?

    No, the worst we can be if we win next week is #3. That being said, if we manage to lose to the Saints, our strength of schedule advantage is significant enough that we are pretty much locked into #1 overall.

  84. Brandon Says:

    T REX Says:
    December 21st, 2014 at 5:08 pm
    @ Hawaiian

    Why type it? Because Lovie is a loser who has only been to he postseason 3 out of 10 seasons. What a crap hire. Someone needs to clean house from the Glazers on down.

    Which is one more time to the postseason than the Bucs have been to in the past 10 seasons.

  85. tgreg Says:

    Somewhere…for yet another week, Schiano is doubled over laughing that he was fired for this moron. Say the 4-12 football team again Lovie

  86. Brandon Says:

    The dumpster fires known as the Browns and Redskins tell us it a GREAT idea to skip QB and go straight for the franchise LT.

    BTW, quick, name Peyton Manning’s starting LT for the majority of last season… it wasn’t Ryan Clady…. Ken Clarke…yeah…who’s Brady’s LT right now? don’t pass on a possible franchise QB for OL..EVER!

  87. Java Says:

    Real football fans know Lovie is a moron and the captain of mediocrity

  88. bucrightoff Says:

    Peyton and Brady have never had lines that come within a mile of this garbage. We can’t run so teams don’t even have to consider it. Teams don’t have to blitz because the line is so easy to beat straight up or with stunts. We have to draft Mariota simply because he can run as we can’t actually protect him. You’ll notice none of the best QBs are the running ones.

  89. Hawk Says:

    While I agree with HawaiianBuc, that firing Lovie (after one year) might unsettle some HC prospects, I won’t go so far as to say the Glazers “won’t” do it. They have done some very bold and unexpected things, in the past. After all the money Lovie asked them to spend, the high expectations that Lovie preached, and the results of this season, I believe the release of Lovie has (at the very least) crossed their minds.
    When Lovie said “Except for three games this year, we’ve been in every one. So I think true football fans can see that we are on the verge.”, I believe he thinks that next year we will be ‘in’ all 16 games. We might even win a few of them. Even a blind squirrel…

  90. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I certainly take your points and used to feel like you. But now I’m willing to roll the dice on a Heisman at #!. My preference is Mariota because he doesn’t scare me off the field and I think he has more upside than Jameis. But I’m now ok with Jameis as well.

    There are at least three franchise tackles in this draft if Peat comes out. Our second round pick is only one pick removed from the first round. If we take the Heisman we can still have our cake and eat it too. It’s not that big of a leap for us to trade the #33 pick for a mid round first rounder. Probably cost us another pick or two and we may have to give up a high pick in next year’s draft depending on how high we need to go.

    But with Peat/Sherf/Duncan all considered franchise tackles we don’t have to use that #1 or even a #2 to get one of those three.

    Many mock drafts have Leonard Williams going first or well up the board. That takes up a spot. I forget which LB but I remember one of them projected in the 1st round.

    And so while I agree with your train of thought I think our high draft position and some clever dealing means we could get one of the Heismans AND a franchise LT in the same draft.

  91. Architek Says:

    If I were the Glazers, after hearing that press conference, I would have called Lovie on his mobile and asked him to explain every statement he made in this presser.

    Lovie has no answers – he says nothing and does nothing –

    I hope you Lovie lovers are loving this loveless team!

    Can’t wait to see the empty seats next year! If j were Mariota or Jameis I would pull a Eli and avoid this team…

  92. SteveK Says:


    It’s a trench war.

  93. Nybucsfan424 Says:

    Were is the, should lovie be fired poll??

  94. Pruritus Ani Says:

    Lovie is full of crap and he’s gotta go. Apathy doesn’t equate to winning. Does anyone really believe it will be different next year if he stays? They brought him in because they want to recreate the thrilling days of yesteryear. The Days of Dungy. Lovie is not Dungy.. he can never be Dungy and that’s fine. Let Lovie be Lovie, but be Lovie somewhere else. He can leave with his whole cast of characters and go back to the friggin Island of Misfit Toys.

  95. mando playr Says:

    At least Schiano and Glennon won 4 of the last 8 last year. Oh wait, we fired that coach and benched that quarterback. Doh.