“It Sucks”
December 28th, 2014
Lavonte David was not a happy guy in the Bucs’ locker room.
David was looking to make a rare early exit after the loss to the Saints but Joe and a couple of other reporters caught up to him as he was headed for the exit.
David appeared frustrated when asked about how Buccaneers starters were pulled late in the game, including himself.
“Oh, man. Ain’t nothing to say. Ain’t nothing really to say. I guess it was just the coach’s call to take the guys out,” David said. “So we just played with the cards that was dealt to us.
The Bucs’ top linebacker asked about going winless at home.
“It’s disappointing. It sucks,” David said.
David wasn’t angry or rude or anything like that. But it was a different postgame demeanor for David, major league frustration.
Joe suspects David will be happier next season, when the Bucs have an offense that’s not an embarrassment.
December 28th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
@JOE
Joe suspects David will be happier next season, when the Bucs have an offense that’s not an embarrassment.
What makes you think the Bucs will have an offense that’s not an embarrassment. I’m being serious not snarky. Personally I think the ONLY chance the Bucs have is for the Glazers to realize their huge mistake. No I do not expect them to fire Lovie, but they could clip his wings including hiring an OC with lots of autonomy including the right to make that first QB pick.
Give Licht powerful GM authority not just a title. Tell Lovie he’s still in charge of the defense but he’s not qualified to run the offense and so he’s out of those decisions.
Aside from taking the Offensive duties and draft totally from Lovie I see no reason to be optimistic. Maybe you can help.
December 28th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Glad the coaches did pull the starters and secure the #1 pick in this meaningless game.
December 28th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
Look at the upside… Now no one can steal Mariota from us…. Someone else will have to babysit Winston…
December 28th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
He’ll be happy on draft day like the rest of us.
December 28th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
What sucks is Lovie Smith as a Head Coach in the NFL. I would much rather have Rex Ryan as our HC. I understand the chances of Lovie getting fired is basically 0. He doesn’t deserve the option of deciding who to draft with the 1st pick imo.
I would call Philly and see what they want for Nick Foles. He would match up well with Evans, V Jax, and Murphy. ASJ should improve next season I hope too. That would allow us to either trade down out of the #1 pick (adding assets in the process) and still get a player like Leonard Williams, Shane Ray, or Amari Cooper. An extra #1 next year and maybe a #2 this year would be worth more to our future IMO than Jameis or Mariotta. If we could add Foles for our 3rd rounder or possibly 2nd if we make a trade to recoup that pick I would do it in an instant.
Since there is only 2 QB’s in this draft that deserve to be drafted in the first 2 days. Teams will be willing to give up more to go get them. The signs are aligning to make all this possible. Great year to have the #1 pick!!! I am so tired of losing…
December 28th, 2014 at 7:48 pm
Ballers don’t play that chit. Lovie is going to lose his best defensive players. LVD is a real solider not just self-proclaimed.
December 28th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
If we can’t pick up a real QB via free agency or by trading for him, more than likely trading for one, then we obviously have to stay there and take whichever qb does better in the fbs playoffs and the workouts leading up to the draft. Jameis almost certainly has to be the pick unless he gets into more trouble between now and the draft. I hope for his sake he doesn’t, but knowing him, nothing would surprise me!
December 28th, 2014 at 7:50 pm
LVD should ask for 2yr 100mil and walk if he doesn’t get it.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:06 pm
Winston is the pick. Goes through ALL progressions, can run with the ball, and is 27-0 as a starter. He might be a little loopy between the ears, but he is also a college kid (in the spotlight).
December 28th, 2014 at 8:14 pm
Curious to see how the locker room will react next year to a staff that clearly tanked in the second half. The ones with pride might be thinking “how can we trust them.” Glad they did but hope tanking doesn’t come back to haunt them.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
Hopefully the “3 Stooges” (Glazer Boys) do what Indy did to Father Dungy by not allowing him to tinker with the Manning offense he inherited and Tom Moore as OC. Get the best OC/QB Guru and a solid stop-gap QB like Hasselbeck or Hoyer and draft Mariotta. Then build the rest through sound drafting and advantageous free agent deals. By the way, they need to rework VJax deal to a more cap friendly number but definitely keep him. Having a stable of solid RB’s and 2 of the better WR in the league will make for an easier transition to the pro’s for a new QB or an old stop-gap one to be effective. Concentrate on the O-line and patching up our D. Can’t wait to see how it all plays out in the next couple of weeks. Maybe Joe could do a story on available OC’s to replace the “In Over His Head” Arroyo.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
Play angry Lavonte get some sacks, ints and strips to actually stop teams.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Every acts like trading down is as easy as picking your nose. In order to trade down you have to find someone who wants to trade up and the cost to a team to trade up to the first pick is HUGE. Pick the player and move on.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
I just stopped by to see if anyone was fired.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:26 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says
“What makes you think the Bucs will have an offense that’s not an embarrassment.”
Perhaps the fact that we’ll have a QB, better Oline players and an actual Offensive Coordinators? I know, you hate Lovie Smith. But most of you complainers have no patience for being a football fan.
FuNkYxMuNkEy Says
“What sucks is Lovie Smith as a Head Coach in the NFL. I would much rather have Rex Ryan as our HC.”
The only hc worse than ryan would be frazier.
December 28th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
I have to respect teams like the lions and bengals who give their teams a chance to develop…….you cant just keep firing people
December 28th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
@tom,
Lovie was given 10yrs to develop a team in Chicago. He was fired because he developed a Superbowl caliber defense and nothing else. Football is a team sport with 3 integral phases. Offense, defense, and special teams. No team is winning a Superbowl without all 3. Lovie has never had all 3 and he was given 10yrs in Chi. Why should I believe that he will do any different here? He has already shown that he is just as inept at picking an OC and QB as he was in Chicago. What is going to change next year or the year after that?
December 28th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
I agree w a lot of you on here that the ineptitude of joe wanting to draft Manziel is being substantiated more each day. As it stands right now Manziels future is questionable in Cleveland.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
I just did some research and Lovie only had a top 10 defense 3 out of 10yrs. He isn’t even a “defensive genius”. Also out of 60 NFL coaches to coach for more than 10yrs 35 of them won a championship. That is over half. Lovie is towards the bottom of that list. So tenure does matter, but so does being a good head coach.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
“I have to respect teams like the lions and bengals who give their teams a chance to develop” Ya maybe into dirty Lion players
December 28th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
I’m glad we didn’t sign Manziel looks like Clevelands sorry.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Lions just fired their coach last year.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
maybe the glazers whispered a hint to lovie to pull starters to get the number one pick in the draft. the glazers will need a gimmick to sell season tickets next year. look at Cleveland since manziel was drafted. whenever I see highlights on espn the stadium looks full. a first for Cleveland stadium. a top draft pick QB will sell tickets in tampa.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
If I were the NFL i would be looking into lovie. I think his coaching was designed to lose the last 4 weeks. If so I would Pete Rose him.
Funny, he can never play Glennon again. If he does and glennon shines, Lovie would be run out of football. Personally I think Lovie should be run out of town and I could care less if he wins 10 games next year.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
In a perfect world, Lovie would make the right decisions and his actions will result in success. But in reality, he will do what he has done since he got here. He will keep all his coaches including Arroyo as OC. McCown will remain the starting QB. He will draft a defensive player #1. He will remain stubborn, arrogant, and unwilling to change to adapt to the evolving NFL. The Glazers will praise, support, and give him continued full control. The media will continue to give him useless time and a free pass. We are assuming everything will change for the better but are heading for a big disappointment with him remaining leader of this team. At least we can hope for another #1 pick after the 2015 season again.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
LOL
December 28th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
years ago we had a no1 pick called Bo. and when Bo was calledm Bo said No.
It would serve Lovie if he took Winston and he said I think I like Pin Stripes.
December 28th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
I’m just so tanked up that the Bucs have the top overall pick in the draft. This new kind of Bucs sucking seems different than the old days of Bucs sucking. Modern, yet familiar.
December 28th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
I was at the game, and it was by far the weirdest game I’ve ever attended. It felt like a preseason game. Maybe even louder. You could literally see the fans groan every time we made a good play. The place was downright cheerful as everyone was exiting. Funny thing was, the players seemed happy too. Very odd to say the least.
December 28th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
“If I were the NFL i would be looking into lovie. I think his coaching was designed to lose the last 4 weeks. If so I would Pete Rose him.”
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I’ve read a lot of funny, ridiculous comments on this here site. This, my friend, may just be the greatest one of them all. I feel like you deserve a trophy of some sort. The funniest thing is, I have a feeling you are serious.
December 28th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
@Hawaiian Buc, Was not at this game but we could hear some of that on the tv..Strange day indeed but we need that first pick..
December 28th, 2014 at 11:23 pm
Ken Whisenhunt has now lost 11 straight. What do you do with him?
December 28th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
My heart bleeds for #54….we need more Lavonte David’s on our team. One day this ship will get turned around and Mr. David will be a huge reason why. It will make winning that much sweeter with all the losing ala 2002.
December 28th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Foles trade is just dumb talk people need to stop that. If foles was so good why would they trade him? Draft Mariota
December 29th, 2014 at 12:08 am
Thank you. His numbers are too close to Mark Sanchez for Joe’s liking.
December 29th, 2014 at 12:22 am
JJV Wins this thread.
“He will draft a defensive player #1. He will remain stubborn, arrogant, and unwilling to change to adapt to the evolving NFL. The Glazers will praise, support, and give him continued full control. The media will continue to give him useless time and a free pass. We are assuming everything will change for the better but are heading for a big disappointment with him remaining leader of this team.
At least we can hope for another #1 pick after the 2015 season again.”
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^^^this^^^^
December 29th, 2014 at 12:23 am
OH yes Joe A new rookie QB will change everything just like your precious Johnny did in Cleveland…maybe get a few teammates suspended as well. Geez
December 29th, 2014 at 12:43 am
When a player who is fighting every down trying to get a win like David I don’t blame him feeling that way. His coach quit on him today. Let me say that again. His coach quit on him today. Very sad.
Lovie lost the respect of some veteran players today. If I were David I would want out of Tampa ASAP.
We may secured a 1st round pick, but we will look back at today when Lovie lost the locker room.
Does anyone think Derrick or Warren would have accepted this?? Dungy would have never done this.
Very sad. Let’s be honest this whole season has been a joke and the coach finished the season as he has coached all year. A loser.
December 29th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
They are obviously going for Mariota, why else would they tank by pulling starters when they had a good lead and pride actually meant something. The Bucs haven’t had the first pick in decades if I am not mistaken… So if they don’t go for the first pick in a position they need and things get worse, would not bode well for the confidence in any decision making skills running the team. Then after all that and you hire new coaching staff the previous picks you made become a risk at being a good fit for the new coach’s scheme. Not a good time to need a good o-line… The team is not that bad but has plenty of need luck with as many games as they lost by so few points.
December 29th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
Foles is a way better QB than we have on our roster. It would also allow us to consider drafting Williams. Pairing him with GMC would give us a dominate DL. Especially if we were to break the bank for a certain “dirty” DT that is a free agent now. Even if we don’t look into Suh at all, adding Williams would be huge. Foles is good for around a 4:1 td to int ratio. He is 6’6″ and weighs 240 lbs. He can make every throw in the game. Broke all the QB records at Arizona and put up the 3rd best season ever by a qb in 2013. Chip Kelly likes Sanchez more for his “system” so we should take advantage of it. It gives us way more options in FA and the draft if we were to do something like this.
December 29th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
@bucbonzai
Rex Ryan is actually a great HC if his GM doesn’t try to sabotage him like Idzik did. I am def glad he got fired as well. The best thing about Rex is simple. His focus is on the D and he lets his OC and other coaches run the offense. Ryan didn’t want Geno, and he even publicly pleaded for DB help and got none. I would take him all day everyday over Lovie. Lovie has done nothing during his time as HC except underachieve and never having a real offense. His stoic nature on the sidelines is another issue for me. He just stands there with that same look of discontent and disassociation with the game. It kills me to watch him on the sidelines