Where’s The Disciplined Football?

October 5th, 2014

lovie smith 0919Greg Schiano blubbered about how the Bucs were the “laughingstock” of the NFL with all their discipline issues on and off the field under Raheem Morris.

But Schiano’s team was terribly undisciplined between the white lines last year, and Schiano had no answer.

In comes Lovie Smith, and the Bucs look like a toddler eating an ice cream cone in July.

Their snapping of the football was an issue for the third straight game. Fifteen penalties — 15! — for 113 yards likely cost them the game today.

And then there’s the drops. V-Drops was at it again, and Austin Seferian-Jenkins could squeeze the damn rock. And there were others.

Joe doesn’t know why this team isn’t responding to the details under Lovie Smith. It’s on the players, but it is on the head coach, too.

There is just nothing acceptable about this facet of the Bucs’ game. Five games into the season is way too long for this baloney.

The Raheem Morris era and that 10-6 mark with the youngest team in the NFL looks better and better this afternoon.

83 Responses to “Where’s The Disciplined Football?”

  1. Nick Says:

    The absolute worst defense the Buc’s have ever fielded !
    Coach Smith and Leslie Frazier should be ashamed of themselves.
    Coach Smith, the game has passed you by, Buc’s fan’s get ready for 5 years of 7-9,8-8 football. The Glazers have been hoodwinked again !
    It will be interesting to see if coach Smith is a leader enough to own this one himself, very poor coaching !
    Finally, please trade Lavonte David, this poor young man deserves to play on a real team, the true heart of a champion! Let the (self proclaimed leader) Gerald McCoy stay for this debacle!

  2. lightningbuc Says:


  3. Carpenter Fix Says:

    V-Drops hahahahaha!!! So sad but so true.

  4. lightningbuc Says:

    Did Gerald suit up today?

  5. OneLove Says:

    Whoever thought that Lovie was going to come in here and work magic with THIS roster is an IDIOT!!! SO SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHH!!!!

  6. Julian Bled Says:

    Sefarian Jenkins is a complete joke of a tight end. Just imagine if Tim Wright was still on this team. Timmy was Glennon’s go to guy and this offense would be so much more efficient with him in there.

    Anyway ASJ is a joke and has been contributed more in terms of poor play than anything remotely positive.

  7. Architek Says:

    Wow is all I can say this one falls on the HC – bottom line!!!!

  8. lightningbuc Says:

    Schiano didn’t get the benefit of blaming it on a crappy roster, so Lovie don’t get it either!


  9. bucfan2245 Says:

    Yes, they had undisciplined calls against them, but the saints should have had numerous calls against them as well. McCoy was held on probably 10 different plays. The nfl is becoming a joke of league. Time to just focus on college football only. It will be national flag football league in no time.

  10. unbelievable Says:

    The penalties absolutely costs us the game. No question about it.

    V-drops I think had less than last week at least?

    The 2nd most appalling things, after the penalties, is how soft out front 7 looks? They are getting pushed around and it’s pathetic.

  11. jdn Says:

    Why does Lovie hate timeouts? Why didn’t he challenge the “incomplete pass” to Coleston that should’ve been ruled a fumble?

  12. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Actually, Glennon’s failure to release the ball in the fourth quarter was the reason we lost. He didn’t have the calm demeanor he usually does. He looked shaken. Couldn’t handle the moment. We had the ball and could have ended the game, but Glennon couldn’t execute.

  13. Rrsrq Says:

    I agree…way too many penalties, but our db’s get pushed by the receivers, last TWO games, no calls, D-linemen get held, no calls, just want to see it both ways

  14. lightningbuc Says:

    ^^ idiot

  15. DailyRich Says:

    We squandered that late pick of Brees with that awful snap and two consecutive penalties. Just awful.

  16. lightningbuc Says:

    trubucfan is the idiot…blame glennon…never mind the defense gave up 37 points

  17. Pappa Ciste Says:

    If Schiano was allowed to continue with this team, I’m almost sure we are at least 3-2. Lovie is a joke of a coach – just listen to his pressors and youll understand why.

  18. Gus Says:

    The worse part about this is Glennon was carving them up. If he can continue to play that way and the defense comes around. We can come back in this division. None of the division opponents are any good. We could beat all three. That bye week can’t come soon enough.

  19. OneLove Says:

    your an idiot…….

  20. Gus Says:

    The worse part about this is Glennon was carving them up. If he can continue to play that way and the defense comes around. We can come back in this division. None of the division opponents are any good. We could beat all three. That bye week can’t come soon enough.

  21. Nic Says:

    1000% on the offensive line. Holding penalties on big plays, hell they can’t even line up on the line of scrimmage right!! The defense is gassed because the line can’t get their Sh*t together. Mike Glennon is the real deal though folks, very very impressed with his play! I’m tired of moral victories though. This one hurt bad, real bad.

  22. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Funny everyone blames Lovie, when it was obviously Glennons poor forth quarter performance that lost us the game.

  23. Curv Says:

    This is honestly one of the worst defenses I have ever seen from a Bucs team. How many yards did the Saints have through the air. I know there were 3 interceptions but seriously this is awful football defensively…

  24. Boomer33 Says:

    The only good thing about this game is that I took the Bucs and the points. We lost, I won.

  25. Curv Says:

    TruBucFan22, you are the biggest idiot on this planet. If it wasnt for Glennon we wouldnt even be in this game you tool…

  26. Bucs Says:

    The lost was bad but damn y’all are some negative fans. I hate the lost as big as anyone but really?! It was a good game none of the commenters could coach their way out of a paper bag but are quick to point out bad coaching. Love this site but I swear some of you guys take it way too serious.

  27. unbelievable Says:

    It’s true we have been getting absolutely f*cked by the officials the last 2 weeks!

    So many no-calls on blatant penalties, and then we are called for the most minute things. Seems like the whole world is against this franchise year in and year out.

    On the positive, Glennon played pretty damn well.

    Defense showed up at times, but let them convert too many 3rd downs. Front 7 got pathetic at the end.

    Do we only have 2 run plays in our entire playbook? WTF is up with that damn 1st down run over and over?

  28. Trubucfan22 Says:

    You really expect the bucs d to shut out Brees and their offense?

    The bucs had the ball with 2 minutes left and a chance to out the game away and Glennon failed. The defense was on the field when they lost but it was Glennons terrible play in the 4th quarter. Idiot

  29. RealityCheck Says:

    Trubucfan22 is just a trolling dudes. He says the same dumb things on repeat.

  30. Frank Pillow Says:

    Hands to the face penalty on Banks 3rd and long in OT was a killer. A bit tricky- tacky in that situation. The lead-up to the safety was pathetic. We lost the game b/c we had no discipline and lacked killer instinct.

  31. Morgan 42 Says:

    I think Trubucfan22 is a certain late afternoon radio MG hating talking head…

  32. OneLove Says:

    Mike Glennon sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Why was that an awful snap? It hit Glennon right in the hands. Lol

  34. Morgan 42 Says:

    ^^ it’s U

  35. SteveK Says:


    Glennon played well. Lol you’re wrong as hell.

  36. Tye Says:

    The cold-hard truth ~ A good HC doesn’t need excuses to keep his job, to be well respected and to be a winner….

    Lovie Smith is NOT a good HC!

    Some Fans excuse these loses as on the players…. This is true only in small part…. It is up to the coach to put in the right players… If the guys who are playing aren’t playing well then replace them…. This coaching is as bad as those uniforms…

    Those uniforms are hands down the ugliest in the league! Hard to take them seriously looking like a college team…. {UGH!}

  37. SteveK Says:


    You’re 100% full of sh!t.

    Good day, sir.

  38. Tackleblockwin Says:

    Can’t run the ball on O. Can’t stop screens and sweeps on D. This loss is mostly on D play calling though. We are not playing to our players strengths on D consistently. Made some plays on D, but like I said all week, we need to run the ball well to win…and right now…our rushing attack is a joke.

  39. lightningbuc Says:


    I hope your love affair with Austin Sefarian Jenkins is over – guy was awful today. Personal fouls, drops – horrible.

  40. Trubucfan22 Says:

    No I’m giving my opinion of why we lost. You can’t really expect the bucs defense to stop the saints offense. Reality check, the defense hasn’t been good all year. Can’t expect them to do something they’ve never done. It was up to the offense to win the shoot out. And Glennon did an excellent job in the second and third quarter. But late in the forth quarter he was horrible. I don’t care if you love or hate Glennon, the fact is that he sucked late in the forth quarter.

  41. Stranger Says:

    “Their snapping of the football was an issue for the third straight game. Fifteen penalties — 15! — for 113 yards likely cost them the game today.”

    Was some great homecooking. I mean the Bucs totally deserved some calls. But the Saints could have given Murphy braces with the amount of contact they had with his face. Not to mention that all of that hugging on McCoy wont be enough to comfort him.

  42. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Did Gerald suit up today?”


    Did you watch the game? Stupidest comment yet.

  43. Trubucfan22 Says:

    On a side note, mark baron was a beast on defense today. He took a huge step forward with his pass defense today.

    And Lavonte David is the best open field tackler in the league. Numerous times he has squared up a defender running full speed at him and he stops them and drives them backward. The hit on graham was a thing of beauty.

  44. RealityCheck Says:

    Ya and your opinion is retarded. Repeating it doesn’t make it accurate. By your logic, if the defense gives up 100 points, Glennon should score 101 or he “lost us the game”. You’re trolling.

  45. Trubucfan22 Says:

    I’m still waiting for someone to dispute what I said with an actual football answer. Raise your hand if you thought the bucs would shut down Drew Brees. My point exactly.

  46. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Did Glennon not have like 4 possessions in the forth quarter that resulted in nothing? Did he not hold on to the ball too long numerous time in the forth? Including the safety? Exactly. Take off your mgm shaded glasses and just watch the game.

  47. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Did Glennon not have like 4 possessions in the forth quarter that resulted in nothing? Did he not hold on to the ball too long numerous time in the forth? Including the safety? Exactly. Take off your mgm shaded glasses and just watch the game.

  48. RealityCheck Says:

    I see you trolllllin, you hatin…

  49. Mike Says:

    How they put that offense on the field? Do you guys ask what is going on? They looked more terrible when bad than good when actually executing. I’m mil OS and wake at 3am to watch live, how long will this continue?

  50. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Glennon played great…..we continue to run on 1st down with no success…..Late in the game we run on 1st from the 20 and get a holding from Dotson on a running play….that along with the Mankins hold and the Banks hand to the face cost us the game.
    Glennon played great in spite of all the penalties on his offense.

  51. Please Says:

    You people that say the game has passed Lovie by are the worst. You’re worse than laughable. Your football knowledge compared to Lovie Smith’s is like a pile of warm turds trying to out-calculate Stephen Hawking. I’m starting an online bullying campaign to completely rip a new one of any blog commenter who says anything remotely close to implying they’re football brains are better than an NFL head coach’s.

  52. Espo Says:

    ASJ will figure it out. Hopefully he does so soon.

  53. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Thanks reality check, you proved my point. You can’t sit back and critique your home boy Glennon, without the lover boy glasses on.

  54. lurker Says:

    the disciplined football left with schiano…lol

    bet we wish we had “toes on the line” now.

  55. buc4lyfe Says:

    Talk about how bad the defense is but they did more than Glennon did today. If not for a pick 6 there wouldn’t have been an overtime period so forget the fact that a sack allowed the saints to tie the score up, no need to blame Glennon for that

  56. lightningbuc Says:

    ^^^^Yeah, the defense had one great play, so they get a pass for sucking the rest of the game

  57. lurker Says:

    maybe the defense should wear nail polish or drink pepto-bismol. i heard either stops runs.

  58. buc4lyfe Says:

    Yes it’s 7 points the quarterback didn’t put on the board. I guess Glennon didn’t get enough chances to score with 3 int’s. Yea I really made more sense to you the bucs would shut down that offense as if they ever have.

    Lol wanna give Glennon all the credit fine because we lost. A real quarterback takes credit and blame, maybe he doesn’t feel like it’s his team yet

  59. Oahubuc Says:

    I can’t believe people are asking why Lovie didn’t challenge the bad calls in the last two minutes. Is this the first football game you’ve ever watched?

  60. JBuc Says:

    I haven’t even had a chance to watch the game yet but I can tell the usual suspects are at it again. Most of the clowns on this site were ready to run Lovie out of town after the Atlanta game. Then the beat Pittsburgh at Pitt and everyone starts singing a different song. If I had told you after the Atlanta game that they would beat Pittsburgh and then take New Orleans to overtime in New Orleans the same clowns would have called me crazy. Now they want to run him again.

    That’s cool. I’d have more respect with some of these idiots if they would just take a position and stick with it. As the Bucs get better and become a winner, please continue to call for his head so we remember who you are.

  61. lurker Says:

    i couldn’t believe the dropped pass/fumble wasn’t automatically reviewed, either.

  62. GO 1976 BUCS Says:

    I don’t see the fire in the team! I think the team is feeding off Lovies demeanor, am I wrong?

  63. lurker Says:

    lovie decimated the offensive line for this?

  64. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “I can’t believe people are asking why Lovie didn’t challenge the bad calls in the last two minutes. Is this the first football game you’ve ever watched?”


    I was screaming that at my TV. We had 3 timeouts and hadn’t used a challenge yet, why not? Watching it again in real time I don’t think it would have been overturned, but why not try? What’s the harm?

  65. RealityCheck Says:

    @Hawaiian you can’t challenge a play inside of two minutes.

  66. Mike10 Says:

    I haven’t see anything from Lovie. I don’t see any coaching up, I don’t see any fire, I don’t see any interaction w his players.. If they do good or bad. I’m just not seeing anything from Lovie. All I see is the same fundamentally poor, undisciplined football team I saw before he got here. And that same smug, emotionless face on the sidelines. IM not going to demand grabbing face masks or chest bumps, but does he even want to be here?…

    Please tell me if I’m missing something?

  67. Soggy Says:

    @Trubucfan22, You are not a true buc fan so change your name, you are more like blindboy22..

  68. lurker Says:

    soggy, why can’t people express their differing opinion? he is as much a fan as yourself. i don’t think glennon is the answer at qb. we shoulda drafted one last year and need to this year.

  69. lightningbuc Says:


    Now i know why you are such a shill for the Bucs – you don’t watch the games! LOL! I’d have a grandiose outlook on the Bucs if I hadn’t seen them play, too!

  70. Soggy Says:

    @lurker well that is a different story, I get it if we had better, but even though glennon was not perfect today he is doing his job very well, remember the offseason he was more or less benched for mccown, now he has stepped in as a backup and doing his job, not perfect but who is.. ,Really impressed with glennon but I always have been..for the most part.. People always bring up freeman, he was good but he did not improve he went down and down, glennon is going up and up and we do not no his limits if given the chance.. Today was just sad with blame to go all around but glennon did his job very well.. I will stop here.. peace

  71. lurker Says:

    “Today was just sad with blame to go all around…”

    i agree.

  72. JBuc Says:

    LightningBuc- I have the game DVR’d as I had another commitment today. I rarely if ever miss a game. I’ll see it later on this evening but it doesn’t matter though, I don’t need to watch to know you don’t know what you are talking about.

  73. John Sapp Says:

    I would really like to know what went into the thought process on our last defensive series. No Jimmy Graham, Brees already threw 3 INT’s, the screen and run game was effective so why did’nt Leslie / Lovie load the box? It was surreal watching the Saints drive right down the field for the winning touchdown. What the hell happened? THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE!?!?!?!? Where was the aggressiviness? Where was the play calling?

  74. "that guy" Says:

    Trubucfan22 Says:
    October 5th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
    Funny everyone blames Lovie, when it was obviously Glennons poor forth quarter performance that lost us the game.
    did you even watch the game ? or are you just close minded.

  75. Tomcin Says:

    The Glazers bought this on themselves. Firing Schiano & then in a panic sign Dovie to a friggin 5 year contract with complete control. Those idiots should sell the team to someone who knows what there doing. Get rid of Dovie and that idiot Frazier. Unfortunetly its the fans who suffer. Dovie doesn’t care, he’ll get paid the next five years no matter what.

  76. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    lurker Says:
    “bet we wish we had “toes on the line” now.”

    Hey man I’m still here 🙂 Unfortunately I’m still waiting to be proven wrong in my statements that Schiano was a better Buccaneers HC than Lovie. The product is sloppy, but at least the team is playing better overall with Glennon as QB. Maybe there’s hope?

  77. lightningbuc Says:

    JBuc – you’re on here telling us we dont know what we’re talking about when you haven’t even seen the game. How do you know? I know, I know. It takes time, right?

  78. Buccfan37 Says:

    Watching this game was mentally exhausting. Where is that Amendment 2 vote yes herb to placate the anguish?

  79. JBuc Says:

    LightningBuc: yep, it takes time and they are further along than I thought they would be especially with all that they have been thru this far (OC health problems, injuries, etc.). Good news is that this division looks bad as a whole and they could still do some damage. They have a beatable Ravens team and a bye week coming up and I thing Lovie will be doing a lot of teaching over the next couple of weeks. Just be patient…you’ll be proven wrong.

  80. Mike10 Says:

    Comeon San Fran, give up on your boy. I’ll take Harbaugh in a second… At least I’d know we would get the best out of our QB because of our coach and not in spite of him.

  81. Gt40bear Says:

    Yes but at least they can laugh in the building this year!

  82. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    @ Mike10

    We are definitely in agreement on Harbaugh. I only wish the Glazer sons would channel the essence of Malcolm and swing a deal to get Harbaugh in Tampa regardless of what it took (ala Gruden). Dude has proven he is an excellent HC in the current NFL landscape…I doubt he’ll be sitting around in his basement anytime soon. Regardless of what Lovie did back in 2006 he hasn’t looked all that good a HC so far in Tampa. Glazers could have kept Schiano another year, saved a few million dollars to send over to ManU, and probably have still fielded as good or better a team this year.

  83. BoJim Says:

    Glennon lost the game? lol. Couple guys on here are real dumb ass’s.