“We Can’t Help A Pure Pocket Passer Be Successful”

October 28th, 2014

A call for change

The Bucs are so miserable on their offensive line right now that an immobile quarterback like Mike Glennon is the not wise choice at QB, says one prominent former Buccaneer.

And it has nothing to do with the quality of Glennon’s play.

Some ridiculously accuse former Bucs tight end Anthony Becht, who works on the Buccaneers Radio Network and the team’s official website, of being a homer. But Joe’s never found that to be the case.

Becht had several harsh takes yesterday for the Bucs’ offensive line. And Becht said it’s so shaky he would re-install Josh McCown as the starter.

“I don’t see an issue with Mike Glennon being our starter, but here’s the problem I have. You know, they’re struggling in the running game and you’re not being able to get a pure pocket passer enough time and really help him where he’s strong in play-action and delivering the football,” Becht said on WDAE-AM 620.

“The fourth quarter of this football game, I thought they played better. The offensive line protected better and he was able to stand in the pocket and make some throws. It’s just not happening for four quarters. And honestly, I would just personally say this: I would start Josh McCown at this point because I would have a more athletic quarterback, someone that can move in the pocket and do some other things at this point.

” It has nothing to do with Glennon’s play. It’s just that where we are offensively, we can’t help a pure pocket passer be successful. It was nice early [in the season], and he was able to do some good things. But right now teams are starting to tee off, get to the quarterback quicker. And we’re not able to run the football? I would actually make a change here just for that reason.”

Despite Becht’s well-reasoned plea, changing starting quarterbacks is not in the plan, Lovie Smith proclaimed yesterday. Joe agrees with Becht’s football points, but Joe sees no point in returning McCown to the starting lineup.

At 0-3, the Tampa Bay season was about making smart decisions for 2015. At 1-6, it’s surely all about next season. And we all know McCown has no future in Tampa, whereas Glennon might, if he can prove he’s a legitimate NFL starter.

Trying times for Bucs fans. … Enjoy all of Becht’s Monday interview below, via the 620wdae.com audio player.

134 Responses to ““We Can’t Help A Pure Pocket Passer Be Successful””

  1. lightningbuc Says:

    I think Becht was trying to say that the offensive line sucks.

  2. Buc1987 Says:

    Heisman Trophy (2013)
    Walter Camp Award (2013)
    Manning Award (2013)
    Archie Griffin Award (2013)
    AP Player of the Year (2013)
    Sporting News Player of the Year (2013)
    BCS National Championship (2014)
    BCS National Championship Offensive MVP (2014)
    Consensus All-American (2013)
    First-team All-ACC (2013)
    ACC Player of the Year (2013)
    ACC Offensive Player of the Year (2013)
    ACC Rookie of the Year (2013)
    ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year (2013)
    ACC Athlete of the Year (2014)
    College Football Performance National Freshman of the Year (2013)
    ACC Championship Game MVP (2013)
    2x ACC Championship (2012, 2013)
    USA Today High School All-American (2011)

    Famous Jameis Winston.

  3. RastaMon Says:

    Lovie is an idiot….

  4. Dan Says:

    “You’re not able to give a pure pocket passer enough time”

    I dislike this statement so much. The great QBs in the NFL today (Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers) they all have one thing in common…they get the ball to the receiver quickly after the snap. In fact, when you get those QBs to hold the ball for more than 3 seconds, bad things tend to happen to them. Our offensive line is garbage, but Glennon lacks the quick release and ability to read the play that elite QBs have. Which is why I’ve never been on his bandwagon.

  5. ForgotAboutDre Says:

    Apparently the Pats, Chiefs, Seahawks, and Eagles are in the mix for VJax

    Gee can’t wait to get fleeced by New England again.

  6. SeanyMac in SC Says:

    Why can’t this coaching staff call plays that suit the players they have. SMH.

  7. bucrightoff Says:

    A mobile QB wouldn’t really make much of a difference. The line isn’t collapsing from just the inside or just the outside, it’s collapsing everywhere. Its the worst offesnive line the Bucs have put out there in a while and easily the league’s worst unit. We ain’t winning much till we address it.

    Trench mob folks. Join it now and get in on the ground floor, it’s how the Bucs can become a consistent winner.

  8. drdneast Says:

    The Raaaaaaaaiiiiiideerrrrrrrrrrrs, will pick a head of us and they will trade the pick away for the house. Good luck.

  9. Buccfan37 Says:

    1987… Sure sounds like a can’t miss pro prospect with all those awards. Tell me again just how phenomenal that player will be in the pros. Don’t know do ya? Neither does anybody else.

  10. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Glennon could be a great QB if he faced our defensive front…..I agree that a mobile QB would be better to make up for an awful Oline.

    I know its very boring….but we should draft a LT & DE 1 & 2…..and if we can, trade down to get extra picks….I’m sure we can improve things for our “Future QB”

    I know Glennon looks funny to many and doesn’t fit the QB mold….but he is a very tough, smart guy with a great attitude and we are lucky to have him as either a starter or backup….however that unfolds.

  11. Zam Says:

    okay so who’s your backup next season? Because we are drafting a franchise QB, that’s a certainty.

  12. D-Rome Says:

    Becht’s comments were reasonable. I believe Glennon has the skills and talent to be a starting QB in the NFL….just not with the Buccaneers.

  13. Buccfan37 Says:

    Wow, the Redskins, just call them the Red Potato’s not to upset the native American’s, beat the Cowpokes last night. Scratch them off as a possible Bucs win.

  14. Skyline Crew Says:

    Tell us something we don’t know. O-Line sucks.

  15. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Good thing we drafted johnny 8ball or teddy bridgewater or …….LOVIE and LICHT should be canned if they do not draft a qb in 2015 draft, the bucs will be 1-15, maybe 2-14 because they will win the last game of the season because the saints wont play, they dont have a win on the schedule for last 9 games…..rastamon might be right

  16. Mark Says:

    I know our line was consistently getting whooped, but Glennon could’ve avoided pressure several times by stepping up in the pocket. Instead, he stands still and gets hit as he throws. Good QBs move in the pocket and help their blockers.

    Check the throw he tried to make getting hit on third down before the 2nd FG. All sorts of room in front of him, but he throws while getting hit from the side.

  17. Skyline Crew Says:

    Also, I’m tired of seeing people post we are drafting a franchise QB next year. No we aren’t. We will probably draft a QB, but whether or not they are franchise material we will see. I remember not to long ago everyone was calling Freeman our franchise QB.

  18. RastaMon Says:

    AS things stand now with only 3 picks in 2015….I don’t count Rnds 6& 7….No way should,or would it make any difference, drafting anything other than
    with the first 3 picks

  19. DB55 Says:

    Dan Says:
    October 28th, 2014 at 11:38 am
    “You’re not able to give a pure pocket passer enough time”

    I dislike this statement so much. The great QBs in the NFL today (Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers) they all have one thing in common…they get the ball to the receiver quickly after the snap. In fact, when you get those QBs to hold the ball for more than 3 seconds, bad things tend to happen to them. Our offensive line is garbage, but Glennon lacks the quick release and ability to read the play that elite QBs have. Which is why I’ve never been on his bandwagon.
    Glennon rarely gets 3 secs to throw the ball. Yesterday I actually watched the game with a stopwatch in hand. On avg glennon got 1.5 secs to throw the ball. I think only Rodgers who has the quickest release at 1.7sec or something like that can be successful with 1.5secs. In contrast, bridewater threw the ball after 3sec with no pressure in his face.

  20. Mike Glennon Mob Says:

    Glennon has played better than any rookie QB that came out of last year’s draft or this year’s draft.

  21. Paul Says:

    Does this site believe that pocket passer is dead in the NFL and read-option running QB is the only good option? Thats what it looks like you’re saying.

  22. RastaMon Says:

    no threat of a running game
    no threat of a passing game
    no coaching threat
    a HC that hired his own GM
    hit reset ASAP
    everyone can see,especially the players, this IS NOT WORKING…..
    sens a message….FIRE all the off field check cashers

  23. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Dan – All the QBs that you listed are people who have been in the same system for lots and lots of years (aside from Manning who is essentially his own OC and is pretty much doing his own thing regardless of what uniform he has). Conversely, we have a QB in a new system where the coaching staff is flying by the seat of his pants and an O line that ensures that he has someone in his face immediately.

  24. Paul Says:

    I wish we would get a read-option running qb,then watch him get destroyed behind our line so that this talk will finally cease.

  25. Skyline Crew Says:


    A lot of them do. Sad really.

  26. Paul Says:

    I think we should upgrade o line instead

  27. Skyline Crew Says:

    A lot of people do. It worked for the Cowboys and it has worked for every team in the NFL. A good foundation is something that we don’t have nor have had for a while.

    P.S. Thanks Dominik

  28. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “Glennon has played better than any rookie QB that came out of last year’s draft or this year’s draft.”


    Which means absolutely nothing. How does he stack up with the rest of the QB’s of the NFL. There are at least 25 starting QB’s that I would take over Glennon in a heartbeat.

  29. ForgotAboutDre Says:

    @Mike Glennon Mob

    That’s like saying a rock is valuable because it’s not a turd.

    I’m terrible at analogies, but he doesn’t really have any decent competition to compare to.

  30. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    i know the spread would get glennon killed but why not show some empty sets and make the other team cover it, if they blitz there will be an open WR glennon needs to make that read…..i think that if this regime remains, then as stated above there needs to be a new OC, a proven winner

    and weird the tampa 2 guy tomlin went with dick lebeaus defense

    lovie cant be this stubborn can he?

  31. passthebuc` Says:

    Connor Shaw off the cleveland browns practice squad.

    try a good QB that can scramble

  32. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – So you’re comparing them to more experienced QBs and finding him lacking when the fact that QBs take time to develop is beat into our heads over and over and over again. Do you compare your 3 year old kid’s development to your 10 year old and then say that your 3 year old is a loser because he can’t do what your 10 year old does?

  33. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    and lovie licht got rid of 3-4 better olinemen than what we have out there now, which is a fireable offense on evaluating talent at the least keep the 3 that are starting elesehwere

  34. Skyline Crew Says:

    Here is a list of QBs I would take over Glennon. It is only 16 for me.

    Andrew Luck
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Matt Ryan
    Drew Brees
    Matthew Stafford
    Philip Rivers
    Peyton Manning
    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Joe Flacco
    Tony Romo
    Colin Kaepernick
    Cam Newton
    Andy Dalton
    Russell Wilson
    Carson Palmer

  35. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    I don’t agree with anyone calling for lovie’s head after this season. Especially when you complained about some of these same players last year and are mad that L&L could not turn chicken sh!? into chicken salad. But I do agree with everyone that says that both L&L should be fired if they don’t draft Winston. To put McCown back in means that you r try’in to win but to keep Glennon means that you want a top 5 pick and that is what they should do.

  36. CC Says:

    This franchise is in shambles and years away from becoming a legitimate contender. Depressing to be a Bucs fan.

  37. Skyline Crew Says:

    If you want a mobile QB you don’t go with Winston you go with Mariotta or Prescott. A QB that can actually run. Prescott and Mariotta are both big guys that run for yardage and pass very well. Prescott looks good throwing the ball.

  38. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    Skylinecrew I would also add:
    Nick Foles
    Teddy Bridgewater
    Alex Smith
    Kyle Orton
    EJ Manuel
    Mark Sanchez
    Michael Vick
    Geno Smith

  39. Patrick in VA Says:

    I’d like a QB that’s standing upright when he’s in the pocket. I don’t want a QB that can scramble because you’re essentially saying that we’re planning on him having to run away and that the majority of our offense is going to come from broken plays. I prefer to have some protection for a future QB so that we can have a guy that runs when a lot of green opens up in front of him because of a stud o line bowling folks over or because of the occasional broken play. Not because that’s what our offense is predicated upon.

  40. Matts17 Says:

    McCown is not the present and Glennon is not the future. Unfortunatlely, that’s all this team has on the roster at the moment. Nothing againt Glennon but he’s not the guy, maybe a backup but not a starter. With that said, I’d go back to McCown for the rest of the year. God, this team is a mess.

  41. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    Mariota is not good under pressure but he is better than Glennon but I agree that Winston has made some bone headed decisions but he is the best QB to come out since Luck. To say otherwise is just to ignore the obvious.
    While Sunday might have been the final straw for some Bucs fans, one has to wonder when the final straw will come for Bucs owners Brian and Joel Glazer. The Bucs are not only one of the worst teams in the NFL, again, but also one of the most boring teams in the league as well. When will it be time for this franchise to finally bring some legit star power in? It’s way too early for draft talk, but right now I prefer Winston over Mariota. Mariota is an elite athlete with size and speed, but in that Oregon offense, he rarely throws into tight windows. Also, Mariota struggled mightily when pressure finally got in his face earlier this season with some of his lineman injured.

  42. Skyline Crew Says:

    You can add them Newbucsfan, but I wouldn’t take any of them over Glennon. RG3 can’t play for a season. Nick Foles throws as many interceptions as McCown so like 2-3 a game. Bridgewater is awful. Alex Smith is ok, I might take him, but he only gets about 150-200 yds a game. Kyle Orton is getting old, but playing well for Buffalo right now. EJ sucks, which is why Kyle is playing. Sanchez is awful, which is why they draft Geno. Michael Vick is starting this week, but not as good as he was. Geno sucks, which is why Vick is starting.

  43. Kevin422 Says:

    Been a long time loyal fan. Even in past bad years you can often get excited about the team showing promise.

    At this point, I’m starting to really just not care because I don’t see anything on the field that gives us promise …. I see no passion from any player other than Lavonte David.

    I’m not going to guess what the solution is but since Gruden, it seems to just be bad.

  44. Bucs1976 Says:

    Draft the felon. He’ll solve all our problems, including our jumpsuit orange uniform dilemma. How many sacks has he gotten? He is a good blocker though, right? Fans are so short-sighted.

  45. Skyline Crew Says:

    I’d rather have Prescott honestly. He will probably win the Heisman this year.

  46. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    No, I’m saying I don’t see much upside in Glennon, and comparing him to last year’s miserable QB class is silly. Aside from making throws when he has great protection (which every QB in the NFL can do), what is it exactly that you think is so great about Glennon? What does he do great? What are his strengths? Does he have a great arm? Uh, did you see the deep ball he threw to Evans? Is he accurate? Not really. Does he check out of bad plays? Not that I have ever seen? Does he have great pocket presence? Not by a longshot. Is he consistent? Yes. He’s consistently bad in the first half, and decent in the second.

    He is not the only one to blame for this season. Far from it. He’s not even our biggest problem. He is, however, the most important problem because he plays QB. A QB can make up for deficiencies around him (which we obviously have a ton of). Glennon doesn’t do that. He is at best at 4th tier starting QB. That’s not good enough, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why it would be for anyone else. But I know, he is still young and doesn’t have an offensive line. You just keep on waiting for him to become the next great QB.

  47. NewTampaChris Says:

    Glennon IS helpless as the pocket collapses. He looks like a wildebeest stuck in water as the crocodiles close in.

  48. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – Don’t mistake me for someone that is defending Glennon as though he’s a great QB. He’s not that. He’s serviceable. Great QBs underthrow sometimes. He’s not the first one to do it and it’s not indicative of him being bad. it was one bad throw. What I’m saying is that he is a decent stop gap while we fix the other positions on the team where we have players that are not even NFL caliber who are starting for our team. That is a more pressing need.

  49. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Skyline Crew,

    So you would rather have Glennon over Eli? Really? A two-time champion and perennial pro-bowler?! And Nick Foles? The guy who went 27-2 Td to INT last year? He’s thrown 9 picks in 7 games, which no matter where you learned math isn’t 2-3 a game. You are literally the only person outside of Glennon’s family that would rather have Glennon than Foles. That’s crazy. I’d take Tannehill over Glennon every day of the week. I’d take Hoyer over him too. You’d be nuts to not take Bortles over him as well. Same applies for Carr.

  50. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    I think stop gap is a load of crap. That’s what loser teams do. Winning teams get their guy, especially when it’s at the most important position in all of sports. So if we have the opportunity to get a great QB, you think we should just pass on him in order to build up the line? How often do you really have a chance to get a franchise QB? You NEVER pass that up!!! As a result of this “stop gap” guy we have, we are wasting Vincent Jackson (probably going to get him traded), as well as stunting the growth of ASJ and Evans. We are also continuing our tradition of having crappy QB play, which has become an epidemic in Tampa.

  51. Skyline Crew Says:


    You would be correct. Eli is getting up there and you would have him for what a few more years. No thanks. If you just want a QB for 3-4 yrs then yes take Eli, but I don’t. And no I wouldn’t take Foles. To many interceptions. He doesn’t protect the ball. Bortles is awful 6tds to 12 ints. What are you smoking. Carr puts up good yds. I could consider him. Tannehil isn’t that great, not a franchise QB.

  52. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – You know who went after their franchise guy when they didn’t have anyone around him? St Louis (Bradford), Washington (RGIII), Jacksonville (a few times), Minnesota (Ponder), and on and on and on. That’s just in the last few years. That’s not including the Tim Couches and Jamarcus Russells of the world.

  53. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Skyline Crew,

    So with you choosing 16 QB’s over him, you would plan on having Glennon as the future of this franchise? You want him to be our Qb for the next 10 years? If yes, you need help. If no, then why are you worried about Eli’s age (who is much younger than Peyton FYI)? Foles had 2 picks last year and you are worried about protecting the football? He’s had a few this year, but not a ridiculous number. Last I checked, they have a pretty good offense. Maybe even slightly better than ours, no? You think Kelly would trade Foles for Glennon? LMAO. Bortles is a rookie with absolutely nobody to throw to. Talent wise, he’s a million times better than Glennon. There isn’t one GM in the league that would take Glennon over him, and you damn well know it. You’re just being ridiculous. Tannehill isn’t that great? What the hell do you think Glennon is? What does Glennon excel at? I still have yet to here ANYONE answer that. Everyone just says “he’s young and his OL sucks.” If that’s all you can say, then you’ve said it all.

  54. Mike10 Says:

    Agree to disagree – As with his Bucs coverage, Becht follows rule #1 of corporate representation: follow every critique with a complement.

    Regardless, question for me becomes, moving forward do we go QB or O line?!

    I think you HAVE TO think OL before QB, unless it’s a can’t miss gun-slinger (metaphorically speaking)

  55. joe$ucfan Says:

    I think the most disappointing thing about this season is the feeling of opportunities lost this year. In the opener, if Dashon Goldson pulls in that interception, he likely scores or at least puts the Bucs in point blank range for a game winning score. If Mike Evans doesn’t get hurt on that catch in week 2, the Bucs kick a field goal to win that one. If they manage to hold on to an 11 point fourth quarter lead in New Orleans, there’s another victory. And of course, yesterday, if Johnthan Banks simply holds on to that pick, they win.

  56. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    But those examples are bad QB’s. RG3, when healthy, led them to the playoffs. I think that’s a poor example. Why do you fail to mention Atlanta? Why not the Panthers? Why are they left out of your examples? What about the Giants with Eli? Are you forgetting the Chargers with Philip Rivers (and they already had Drew Brees)? Indy was 1-15 before they got Luck! It’s amazing how those examples slipped your mind.

  57. Monk Says:

    No doubt the OL is awful. Look at the videos and notice that most of MG’s passes were off his back foot. Thus bad OL and immobile QB make for lack of offense. With this line we need a scrambler.

  58. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    And please don’t try to tell me those teams had great OL’s already in place, because that would be 100% false.

  59. Stanglassman Says:

    Skyline- Do you just get your stats from your gut? Josh has never had 3-4 interceptions as a Buc. He had 4 in three games 1.33 per game, kinda Adj.. Were you referring to last year? Nope , 13 TDs and only 1 interception. Remember this guy had this team in position to win the 1st two of three games and the team was playing much worse on both sides of the ball at the beginning of the season. I really think you Glennon guys have repeated lies back and forth to each other so many times you are starting to really believe it.
    I never made excuses for McCown’s play all I ever said was the problem was bigger than just the QB play. Most fans were correct after the first 2 games laying blame on not just QB play but the O-line, OC problems, Def and their lack of pressure and giving up long drives and the end. Then after ATL it became all McCown’s fought. I think it’s obvious now it’s not that simple.

  60. Skyline Crew Says:

    I’ve never said that. I said we could draft Mariotta or Prescott coming up. We will need to draft a QB anyways otherwise we will only 1 QB unless Palmer comes out in FA, which he won’t. I’m sure Arizona will lock him up. Considering your thoughts on Bortles you aren’t good at evaluation. Bortles is awful. He isn’t going to be a franchise QB. Foles has 12 tds to 9 ints this year. They are winning because of their defense and their RBs. Something we don’t have either of. Also, Foles sucks when he gets to the redzone this year. Eli isn’t great. His SB wins are attributed to his Defense not to him. I’m not defending Glennon, but to think that he is the worse QB in the NFL is utterly stupid, which for some reason you believe. Glennon is better than his draft class and is better than anybody besides maybe Carr in this years draft class. Maybe if you got over your hate for Glennon you would see that.

  61. HawaiianBuc Says:

    While the OL is bad, are you people not noticing how often we are getting blitzed, which isn’t being picked up? Do you guys want to take a wild guess who is responsible for that? Even though we have a weak OL, teams are still blitzing us because they know our QB can’t call the proper protection, or get rid of the ball on time (or accurately) under pressure. How many times do you see a defense overloaded to one side, yet we still run the ball right to the overloaded side? Guess who’s supposed to change the play to the other side? The OL has been dreadful, but you are fooling yourself if you believe the QB bears none of that responsibility.

  62. Patrick in VA Says:

    I’m not saying that at all. That would be counter productive to my point. I’m saying that they got those QBs when they didn’t have a line and it didn’t work for them. Let’s talk about those QBs you mentioned, since you brought them up. Carolina got Newton and he set a ton of records for rookies his first year because he ran every other down. Works fine your first year until you have that tricky sophomore year come around and the league shuts you down and then you have a running QB that has to relearn how to be a different kind of QB. Rarely works. Cam’s still trying to figure it out. Eli was a train wreck for a while before he strung together a few decent seasons when he was carried by his defense. I’m not sure how Philip Rivers applies since he was not a rookie QB that was thrown behind a porous Oline. He had years in the league when he started. Indy was 1-15 because they were starting Curtis Painter at QB. He is a questionable 3rd string QB. Much less a starter. Atlanta may be an outlier simply because I don’t remember the circumstances surrounding the team when they drafted Ryan.

  63. Skyline Crew Says:


    I see you don’t understand sarcasm and being facetious. I know he hasn’t thrown 3-4 interceptions a game. I was exaggerating the fact that they turn the ball over to much.

  64. SteveK Says:


    Why couldn’t our $100 million dollar 3 technique win us the game, after Glennon threw a TD with 2:03 left?

    Also, I would think that Tedford missing is really hurting us.

    Personally, I’d love to see Glennon go no huddle and have him make his own calls, can’t get any worse then what we are currently doing.

  65. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – You’re generalizations of people’s points is causing you to miss what is being said. You think that we’re absolving Glennon of blame when that’s not the case at all. Nobody is saying to extend the kid for 10 years. What is being said is that there are much bigger holes that need to be addressed so we can get in someone who will actually function well because we can establish a run and protect the passer

  66. Stanglassman Says:

    The Bucs never miss in the draft on DE (Too many to list) or high OL (K. Walker, Sears) picks. You are much more likely to get a quality starting OL or DE in round 2-4 than you are to get a high quality QB. The Bucs need to pick a QB round 1 if the one they want is still available.

  67. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Skyline Crew

    So you can evaluate a QB after 6 games? That’s amazing! Everyone knew Bortles was green coming in, which is why he wasn’t supposed to play this year. But yeah, he’s terrible. You got it.

    I never said Glennon was the worst. I said I could name 25 starters that I’d prefer over him. You named 16 and left out a 2 time Super Bowl MVP! You can’t win in this league with a bottom half QB. You saying he won due to his defense is completely laughable, and utterly stupid. There’s no point in even arguing on that one. I promise you there’s nobody that agrees, and not one person that would rather have Glennon.

    And again, why are you comparing him only against the last 2 draft classes? His draft class was the worst one in NFL history. He’s the only starter from that class!!!!!! Hello, McFly? I don’t hate Glennon at all, but I’m tired of mediocrity. He’s not the QB of the future. He is the QB for the rest of this season, and that’s it. He will not be a franchise QB here, or anywhere else. Write that down, take a picture, and do whatever else you need to do to let it sink in. So why waste an opportunity to draft a franchise QB? If you agree with me that we need a QB, then why are you still arguing?

  68. SteveK Says:


    I would also add that our O-Line is being paid to play better, at least league average.

    If Glennon’s O-Line could play up to their pay checks, then we would be having less doubts about him as our QB of the future.

    Sigh, if we draft a “franchise QB” with our top pick, and he gets killed behind our O-Line, or if the D can’t improve from just 10 sacks on the year/dead last ranking, then it will be a bust!

    We need guys performing up to their pay checks, simple as that.

  69. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – If I read that correctly, it sounded like you gave Bortles a pass when he played poorly when he was thrust into a starting role before he was supposed to be ready…..

  70. Skyline Crew Says:


    Bro, you are the one arguing because I don’t want Foles or Eli. That is all on you. That is what you were arguing about. It is sad that you don’t even know why you were arguing in the first place.

  71. SteveK Says:


    Glennon was the 3rd QB taken two drafts ago, he has outperformed the others. Additionally, he has done more than the current crop of rookies.

    It is very relevant, as we bought QB via the draft two years ago, and thus far he has beenthe best.

    Whether being the best QB of the last two classes means anything is up to you.

  72. Stanglassman Says:

    It’s called exaggeration Skyline and I get it. But You didn’t say’ they’ you said McCown and I getting a little sick of hearing people blaming the Bucs bad start on the guy. There is plenty to spread around with this team that’s for sure..

  73. Skyline Crew Says:


    Your defense of Bortles sounds just like some of the defense of Glennon here. He is young, he wasn’t supposed to start. Blah blah blah. Bortles hasn’t proven anything and I don’t see any talent. Bridgewater is better than Bortles and that isn’t saying much. You forget that Glennon was a 3rd round pick and wasn’t supposed to start until probably next year, but he has been thrust in to the starting position now two years in a row with an awful team, but no let’s give Bortles a pass.

    Eli is a jeckyl and hyde type QB. You either get SB Eli or you get the other side, which is what he has been all other seasons. I’m not taking Eli. Also, with Foles, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chip draft a QB this year.

  74. SteveK Says:


    “I am tired of mediocrity”

    Well, if Glennon is mediocre, then what the heck is up with our O-Line and D-Line? We have some WELL PAID players on both our lines, and they aren’t playing up to at least a “mediocre” level.

    Unless Jameis Winston can throw a TD, and then go out on D and get a couple sacks or tackles for a loss, then WE DON’T NEED HIM.

    We need to be BETTER in the trenches.

  75. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    Are you kidding me? Cam is still figuring it out? He was in the Pro Bowl last year for a division winning team! What are you talking about? Eli was never a train wreck at any point. He wasn’t up to his brother’s standards and certainly wasn’t great , but he was always a good QB. He was always clutch. Please try to argue that.

    Indy was 1-15 because they were a terrible team. They had a miserable defense (sound familiar). Their OL was a joke, and they only had one decent WR. They added a superstar QB, and instantly became a playoff team. You think Glennon would put Indy in the playoffs? Of course not, so why waste our time with him if we have the opportunity to get a great QB. What if we pass on a great QB this year and next year can’t get the guy we want? Then what? Should we wait for 2017? There are great tackles and linemen that come out of every draft. There isn’t always a great QB. If you have a chance to grab one, you take it 100 out of 100 times.

  76. Skyline Crew Says:

    I’m not blaming McCown for a bad start. His terrible decision making did him in. Then when we beat Pitt. I think that put the nail in the coffin for Josh.

  77. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Why don’t you list Jamarcus Russell’s achievements? Vince Young’s?

    And you forgot to add…Jamarcus Winston…er Jameis Young…er Jameis Winston.

    The kid is a moron with obvious physical gifts. How long he’ll be able to stay eligible in the “new” post Ray Rice NFL is pretty question.

    The NFL is no longer Free Shoes U. It’s not coddling the women beaters, rapists and morons any longer.

    Jameis needs to stay at a place that tolerates such idiotic childish foolishness…FSU!!! The NFL has finally seen the light. Maybe one day FSU will stop embarrassing it’s alumni.

    No I’m not a Gator. I went to U of Cinti so we have no dog in the fight. We suck at football.

  78. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – So Cam got to the Pro Bowl last year but this year, after his defense is struggling, his receivers are gone and he has no RBs, now he’s struggling. Sounds like he got the accolades for the team around him being good.

  79. HawaiianBuc Says:


    Yes we need to be better in the trenches. They are terrible. That’s obvious. But to say we don’t need a QB because we aren’t good in the trenches is completely foolish. You do realize the QB is the most important position in sports by a mile right? I mean, seriously, do you realize how the NFL works? This is a QB league. If you don’t have a QB, you don’t have spit. You could have the best line in football and it won’t matter. You can disguise a lot of missing talent with a great QB though.

    It all boils down to this: if we draft a dominant LT, how many games is he going to win for us? If we draft a great QB that will be the face of the franchise, would it be safe to say he will win more? Then there you go. End of story.

  80. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    They’re stil in first place, are they not? Would you not want him on our team?

  81. Patrick in VA Says:

    If it’s a Glennon for Newton swap then sure. I don’t want to give up top draft picks for him, or a QB like him, until we have the pieces in place to do something with him

  82. Patrick in VA Says:

    And let’s leave the first place thing out of it when they’re first place in a division where everyone is trying to out-lose each other

  83. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “@Hawaiian – If I read that correctly, it sounded like you gave Bortles a pass when he played poorly when he was thrust into a starting role before he was supposed to be ready…..”


    No, I’m saying you can’t judge him yet after only 6 games. You couldn’t judge Glennon after 6 games either. Glennon isn’t a rookie anymore. I’m not judging him off of last year, its all about 2014.

  84. SteveK Says:

    HawaiianBuc Says:
    October 28th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Yes we need to be better in the trenches. They are terrible. That’s obvious. But to say we don’t need a QB because we aren’t good in the trenches is completely foolish. You do realize the QB is the most important position in sports by a mile right? I mean, seriously, do you realize how the NFL works?


    Ok, so what you’re saying is that you have to have a Lamborghini (#5 pick on a QB), but you can’t afford insurance?

    On the defensive side of things, you are willing to pay GMC $100 million, and have 10 sacks as a team with arguably the worst pass defense in the history of the game?

    If we draft a QB with our first pick, then he HAS TO PLAY right away. No way around it, and we will all be back here again because it all starts in the trenches. No good Line play, on either side of the ball, and your season is toast.

  85. Stanglassman Says:

    Jamis is projected to be more like Newton’s mobility and Luck’s arm/accuracy with FB intelligence somewhere in between. .

  86. SteveK Says:


    Yes, I think if we drafted a dominant LT, we’d be in a much better place to win games. Why? Because Glennon would have time to throw, and it would make Mankins a little better, which would make EDS a little better too.

    Everything would open up with better pass protection.

    On the flip side, I think if we were able to put heat on opposing QB’s we would win a lot more games.

    The two things missing from this team the most:
    1. O-Line play- pass protection and run blocking
    2. D-Line play- putting the opposing QB on the ground

    Our line play is not playoff level, even add in Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, still no playoffs.

  87. NewTampaChris Says:

    Bucs will be jockeying with the Jets, Titans and Rams (maybe others) for the right to draft a QB. And there are a lot more misses than hits with highly drafted QBs.

  88. Stanglassman Says:

    I don’t think people who are advocating to draft a QB 1st pick are also saying do nothing about both sides of the line. They just think you can do it with the other top picks (and next year) and FA.

  89. bucrightoff Says:

    1st round pick: OT
    2nd round pick: OG
    3rd round pick: C
    4th round pick: Oh wait we wasted it on Mankins and bye Tim Wright
    5th round pick: OT
    6th round pick: OG etc….


  90. Stanglassman Says:

    I rather swing and miss with Jameis you rather swing and miss with K. Walker. This team needs a franchise QB period. You can get excellent OL and DE with 2-4 round picks, you rarely get a top tier QB in later rounds.

  91. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Ever heard of Free Agency? ^^

  92. HawaiianBuc Says:


    I get what you’re saying, and I totally agree we need a LT. I just think, check that I know, that it is easier to get a LT than a QB. In the history of our franchise, we’ve never had one.

    Here’s the thing, if we draft a QB, he plays right away. We’re not going to be very good, but he will learn. He will gain experience. The next year, we draft a LT. A LT is a plug and play position. It’s not one that needs a lot of experience, and it’s one with a very low bust rate. Our QB will be more seasoned, and he will have much better protection when he’s ready to take the next step. Besides, I don’t think we can get rid of Collins next year with his salary. I could be wrong, but that was the understanding I got from his deal.

  93. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Pure pocket passers don’t pass for 27 yards in a half. Even peyton manning runs for first downs, I don’t care what anybody says but running out of bounds before the first down says it’s not that glennon is scared. all this awww poor glennon crap shows how soft he is….poor thing he’s gonna

    HE NEEDS TO BE ON THE NEXT “COME ON MAN” espisode for running out of bounds like a punk. Your not making excuses for glennon Your making excuses for the bucanneers and we don’t have the worse offense in the league because of the line because if we did people wouldn’t be calling for last years offensive lineman to come back. Pittsburgh Steelers have the worse offensive line in the league, they gave up 5 sacks to the bucs

  94. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “I don’t think people who are advocating to draft a QB 1st pick are also saying do nothing about both sides of the line. They just think you can do it with the other top picks (and next year) and FA.”


    Ding Ding Ding!!! Exactly. i should have said that about 10 posts ago.

  95. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “Pure pocket passers don’t pass for 27 yards in a half.”


    We didn’t get over 100 yards of total offense until the fourth quarter Sunday. Let that sink in. That’s ridiculous. You know people are biased with their Glennon love when they can’t say anything about what he does well, but they just deflect by blaming others. While the topic of Glennon comes up, they talk about the line. They talk about the lack of running game. They even talk about our 3 technique. Yet they can’t say one thing Glennon excels at. It’s all about deflection and excuses in the Glennon mob.

  96. Aubpierce Says:

    bucrightoff says it best,but now we need to draft the backups,because our starters aren’t good enough to be backups.

  97. HawaiianBuc Says:

    I’m going to ask it one more time, and dedicate my entire post to it, so no one can say they didn’t see it:


    If all you can say is, “he’s good when he has time to throw”, don’t bother answering, because that applies to every single QB in the NFL. That’s how they got to the NFL in the first place.

  98. bucrightoff Says:

    WalkdaPlank Says:
    October 28th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
    Ever heard of Free Agency? ^^

    Yes…ever heard of the last three disasterous years of free agency this team has had? Also notice none of the best teams win through FA? Acquire depth signings through FA. We need starters first before we worry about depth.


  99. SteveK Says:


    Ok, bro, time to break it down for you:

    Getting the the opposing team’s QB, and protecting your QB are MUSTS for our Buccaneer team.

    Please continue to DREAM, incessantly, that a top 5 drafted QB would cure all that is wrong. It won’t.

    Glennon may just be a good backup, but we need at least a league average OL and DL.

    GMC making $98 million for 2.5 sacks, jimminy christmas get that man some help.

    You can’t be a successful NFL franchise when you have a swiss cheese offensive line, and a D-Line that is more concerned with picking up opposing players between whistles, then actually getting to the QB.

    I am sorry, you are missing the point.

    Get the other team’s QB on the ground, and protect your own QB. We are very very good at doing neither.

  100. HawaiianBuc Says:


    I’m not saying it will fix everything. Read every one of my 50 posts and tell me where I said that. Tell me where I even said it would make us have a winning record. It won’t. We have too many holes to get better in one year. I don’t think there’s anything we can do to get better in one year.

    But what’s the most important position in football? What’s the one position impossible to hide? It’s QB. Without a QB, you have nothing, and no hope. That’s my point. You have to have a QB. Why is that so hard for you and others to understand? You rarely have the opportunity to have 2 potentially great QB’s coming out of the draft in the same year that just so happens to coincide with us probably having the first or second overall pick. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!! We could still be a bad team next year and luck into a few wins and have the 10th pick and miss out on a QB. This is the year I don’t think we have any chance to miss out on getting one of those guys. We’re not going to win many more games barring a miracle. Get the real QB of the future and build around him.

  101. HawaiianBuc Says:

    A team is built around it’s QB. If we get Mariota, we will probably need a different type offensive lineman than if we get Winston. Certainly different than what Glennon would need. You build around the most important position, not the other way around.

  102. HawaiianBuc Says:

    The teams that choose a LT over a QB with the early picks do so for one reason and one reason alone: there isn’t a QB good enough to take that early. This isn’t going to be one of those years, as there are at least 2 legit QB’s.

  103. bucrightoff Says:

    2 legit QBs with lots of questions. No Andrew Lucks in this draft. When you’re as bad as the Bucs, which is the worst team in the league, you take the best, surest things. Usually those are lineman.

    Oh yeah, Arizona, Buffalo, Cincy, blah blah blah. Average to slighty above average QB play wins a lot in this league with a great team. A great Qb with a poor line? Rarely works

  104. HawaiianBuc Says:



    Don’t all you guys answer at once now.

  105. HawaiianBuc Says:


    How many playoff games have those teams you mentioned won? The answer is zero. Taking a safe pick instead of swinging for a home run is a loser mentality. I’d rather draft a QB early every year until we get one, because we aren’t going anywhere without one. I don’t want to be compared to Buffalo. I want an elite QB, because I want another championship in Tampa. I don’t want to win a few games. I want the Glazers to have to buy a bigger trophy case.

  106. HawaiianBuc Says:

    Mariota is at worst case Kaepernick. Since Nevada was in the WAC with Hawaii, I saw him play a lot in college. They are comparable in athletic ability, but Mariota is a much better thrower. Mariota isn’t going to go Hollywood like Kap has either. He’s a good kid with an incredible work ethic. I’m totally ok with drafting the next Kapernick.

  107. SteveK Says:


    How do you intend on protecting Mariota?

    Our current crop of O-Linemen are not getting the job done.

  108. bucrightoff Says:

    SteveK it’s amazing how everyone thinks drafting a QB fixes the entire QB. Conversely if we draft a QB and he looks awful because the line can’t protect him, they’ll blame not fixing the line

    Insane isn’t it?

  109. bucrightoff Says:

    The should be team and not another QB in the first sentence. I went Jameis on that one, my bad.

  110. HawaiianBuc Says:


    No doubt that’s going to be a problem, but I like his chances better than Glennon’s. Glennon is a statue back there that is no threat to run, and he has not shown any ability to call out the proper protections. He may be the only QB I’ve ever seen worse than Freeman against the blitz. Mariota will at least keep the d-lineman from pinning their ears back and rushing to a landmark, which is all they have to do against Glennon. Mariota may actually have a worse line than the Bucs now (which seems impossible but isn’t out of the question), and I’d say he’s doing pretty well. He is so unbelievably fast, and while he doesn’t have to go through a lot of progressions, he has a lightning quick release, and he almost never makes a bad decision. To be honest, he’d probably be a much better pick than Winston considering our line.

  111. HawaiianBuc Says:


    You’re wrong if you think I would do that, and you are even more wrong if you think I don’t think the line is important. I just think building a line is easier than getting a great QB. If you have an opportunity to get a great QB (which we obviously will this year), then you take it. If for some reason one of those Qb’s isn’t there for the taking, then by all means pick a lineman. There’s no question about that. I would rather draft a great QB and sit him for a year (then draft a tackle the following year), than miss out on a QB and have to reach the following year.

  112. Buccfan37 Says:

    The Bucs won’t draft a QB in round one, aint going to happen no way no how. Too many more important spots to fill with young talent. Get Glennon help because he is the QB of the present and the future. He will be the starter next year. Go Glennon!

  113. Phillip Says:

    I’m all for getting a new QB and definitely drafting one in the 1st round (Hello Blake, Derek very early 2nd round pick, JF, TB) but he definitely isn’t named Jameis… It’s easy to look like you are an accurate QB in college… Tebow had a career completion % of like 73 I believe? No I’m not saying Tebow is good either.. It’s easy to have a high completion % in College especially when you play the teams FSU has played… Remember for every ONE maybe TWO NFL caliber players on a team there is 8 or 9 that will be anything but a football player when they are done at college. Also 13 TD’s against 6 Int’s(only through 6 games and already has 6 INT’s) isn’t good no matter which way you slice it in College. Hundley all day for me and has been my choice since before he decided to go back last season(Glad he did since we wouldn’t have drafted him most likely).. Or if we want extremely high risk/reward Mariota(talking top 5 QB upside potential)…

    A QB with no common sense is a recipe for disaster in the NFL…

  114. bucrightoff Says:

    It’s better to not be an utterly horrible team top to bottom before taking a QB. People need to enter the world of reality, this team is 5 years away from being a Super Bowl level team. Build this baby right this time because drafting a QB and having him bust means no playoff contention until 2020 at least and no Super Bowl contention until 2022 at least. At that point they’ll be the London Bucs, you can mark that down. Fan base will not exist if it has to wait that long.

  115. Patrick in VA Says:

    You guys remember how lovie went for the home run qb when he already hada solid defense and special teams in place when he was in Chicago right? That got him fired. He doesn’t even have a solid defense or special teams here. We’re just not there yet fellas

  116. Hawk Says:

    Just to be argumentative, HawaiianBuc, I could say that we don’t know what Glennon excels at until he plays on a ‘real’ NFL team. What we’ve seen this year (that includes EVERY game) is not pro level play.
    How good can McCoy be? Again, we won’t know until he has ‘real’ players around him.
    I do not know how good Glennon ‘can’ be. No one does. And no one will find out with this team.
    Manning looked very “average” in the Super Bowl, and Manning is NOT an average QB. When the QB doesn’t have help, he is not going to look good.
    On a side note, what is the definition of a PRE-DRAFT ‘franchise’ QB? How is it that some people think they KNOW which QBs are destined to be ‘franchise’ QBs, and coaches/GMs don’t? If the criteria is that they are a first round selection, then the Bucs have had six (seven counting Steve Young) ‘franchise’ QBs and yet it was a NINTH round QB that hoisted the Lombardi.
    Yes, the QB is the most important position on the team, but if you can’t protect him, or protect the lead he gets, it’s all for naught.
    Build the O-line and D-line, and then Draft QBs til the cows come home. ONE of them might become great.
    Lovie certainly doesn’t listen to me, so he might just draft a QB in the first round. Whatever he decides, I’ll root for Lovie to win until he is replaced. And then I’ll root for the next guy. The only ‘voice’ I have is on game day.

  117. HawaiianBuc Says:

    There is only one position in football that can turn a team around almost by himself. It’s not a for sure thing by any means, but it is the only hope. I’m not willing to wait 5 years. But that’s just me I guess.

  118. HawaiianBuc Says:


    Good post! Glennon probably hasn’t been given a fair shake. However, he wasn’t overly impressive in college either in my opinion. It’s not like he was some sought after QB. Fair or not, guys like Glennon don’t get the same shot as a first round QB. That’s just the nature of the beast. All I know is, even with a terrible team, his first half performances so far this year are some of the worst I have ever seen in all my years of watching football.

    And you are also very right about the pre-draft franchise QB. Obviously with our history, there’s a very good chance he could bust. I personally am willing to take the chance. Look, our organization needs a spark. We are severely in need of someone to give us some hope. Only a QB can do that. I haven’t missed a snap of a Bucs game in about 15 years, but I’ve never been this low key on game day than I have the last couple. I don’t even care as much when we lose because I’m just so numb from it. I miss the excitement I had about Freeman in 2010. Not gonna lie, I had a man-crush on him that year. I though we finally found our guy. I want that feeling again. I’m not going to get a man-crush over a left tackle.

  119. bucrightoff Says:

    Funny story, but everyone talks about those guys, the Rodgers and Bradys. Well yeah, they’re one of a kind. Jameis has no shot of being that good and neither does Mariota. You hope they are, but if they were there would be no debate who’s going #1. And I see many mock drafts with Leonard Williams or Randy Gregory going #1. Nice QBs with potential, not franchise locks. Too many holes on this team to gamble.

  120. Rutgers4Schiano Says:

    Next Draft

    Round 1 – QB

    Round 2 – OT

    Round 3 – OG

    Round 4 – Damn Bellicheck

    Round 5 – DE

    Round 6 – OT

    Round 7 – OG

  121. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – bro, you sound like my three year olds. Just because you stomp your feet and yell it doesn’t make your way the right way to do things. If you’re looking for instant gratification then you’ve gotta start following a front runner. The Bucs are years away right now.

  122. Rutgers4Schiano Says:

    @ Hawiian Buc,

    Freeman is still a free agent, I would have noproblem if they released kafka and signed Freeman. I think Lovie and / or someof the current coaches could fix his issues and bring him back to 2010 form. He is only 26 years old, may have matured and refocused too hopefully.

  123. Patrick in VA Says:

    Think about this. At the qb position one of the biggest things that separates the good ones from the great ones is their ability to prepare and have a thorough understanding of their offense and the defenses they’re facing. Schemes that are far more complex than what college kids are seeing. To master their craft, a QB has to be devoted to studying and have a passion for the game.

    Now, with that said, I get kids being kids and doing dumb stuff and all but do you see someone with the drive of a manning or a Brady repeatedly doing the things that Winston is doing and jeopardizing his chances of being able to do what they are passionate about? I would be cool with overlooking one mistake but it sounds like this kid thinks he’s going to cake walk his way through everything because he has natural ability and because everyone hands everything to him. You know who else went down a similar path? Michael Vick

  124. HawaiianBuc Says:

    @Patrick in VA,

    Teams can be turned around quickly in today’s NFL. It does happen. All the teams that do it have one thing in common – they get a franchise QB. There are no such things as 5 year rebuilding plans. They aren’t going to be given that much time.

  125. HawaiianBuc Says:


    I agree on Winston. I would look long and hard, and do more research than has ever been done. I would interview every teacher he’s ever had, every babysitter, every family member, every Publix employee, etc. But until then, I would not eliminate him from my board. He’s that talented. I’d

    If we draft Winston, I’d be thrilled. I’d also be terrified. No two ways around it.

  126. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Hawaiian – alright bon Jovi. You keep living on a prayer brother

  127. bucrightoff Says:

    The Bills turned around this year…with Kyle Orton. Jets did it with Sanchez. No QB comes in and turns a team this bad around or anything close. If we had Winston right now at best we’d be 2-5.

  128. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “If we had Winston right now at best we’d be 2-5.”


    There’s no way you can know that one way or the other. Some players come in and can change the entire culture of a franchise. Others can destroy a team. Building a football team is almost like chemistry – certain mixtures get different results. You could mix a player with this team and he could make everyone perform at a higher level. Obviously, the exact opposite could happen. I’d take my chances.

    It’s been fun arguing with you guys, but I think I’ve hijacked this thread long enough. You guys all have good points, and you may end up down the line being right. Or you may not. Sucks that we are having this discussion in October.

  129. bucrightoff Says:

    I can look at our defense and think how many QBs could have us at even 3-4 right now? In their absolute prime, maybe, Marino, Manning, Elway, Brady, Rodgers, Unitas, Baugh….yeah those guys are sort of the greatest ever.

  130. HawaiianBuc Says:

    Seriously the last post from me, lol: With a decent offense, we beat Carolina. Not even a question. That’s one win. We also beat St. Louis. That’s two. New Orleans (yes, he was horrible in the first half against an almost equally dreadful defense) makes three. Minnesota makes 4. That’s a 5-2 record, since we are playing hypotheticals.

  131. bucrightoff Says:

    And since we’re playing hypotheticals Jameis goes to jail the second he’s off the FSU campus and not being protected by the TPD. Could happen for sure.

    Which of course is why drafting him will never happen. Lovie ain’t drafting Crabs.

  132. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “And since we’re playing hypotheticals Jameis goes to jail the second he’s off the FSU campus and not being protected by the TPD. Could happen for sure.”



  133. Hawk Says:

    @ HawaiianBuc

    I feel your pain. When ASJ fumbled and the Vikings ended the game, I didn’t even pick up the remote, much less feel like throwing it. I’ve been a Buc fan since before the Bucs fielded the first team. I worked for the team the first two years and later went to the league for another 20. But I’ve ALWAYS been a Buc fan. It seems like even in the ‘bad’ years (and there were plenty), there always seemed to be hope for the next week. When I look at the rest of the schedule, I cannot, in all honesty, see another win unless their overall play changes. Hindsight is 20/20, and I’d bet that Lovie regrets a LOT of the early moves he made. But that is water under the bridge. What is going to do about what he has left? That part of the Buccaneers is something that still interests me.
    It’s nice to ‘argue’ with someone without using names we weren’t born with. :^)
    GO BUCS!

  134. mike h Says:

    oohoohoohooh jameis watch please this team has a lot more issues than just qb and Winston is not going to be no savior.