“There’s Just Gotta Be A Mindset Change”
October 16th, 2014
Derrick Brooks is looking for a “mentality” change. Warren Sapp is ready to vomit. Others are talking about “tissue-paper soft” Buccaneers.
Former Bucs tight end Anthony Becht is on their bandwagon.
A voice on the Buccaneers Radio Network and an analyst on Buccaneers.com, Becht lumps the Bucs in among many NFL teams he thinks are lacking nastiness.
“We can’t cruise into games as a football team. We have to come out and smash somebody in the mouth,” Becht said. “I’m looking for guys to come off the football the first snap and set the tone. And we’re not doing that right now.”
Becht says — in various ways — that “there’s just gotta be a mindset change.”
It particular, he’s troubled in his area of expertise: offensive line play. “When I watch the tape, I just don’t know if I see it every snap,” Becht said.
You can hear Becht’s full WDAE-AM 620 interview below. Man, lately, former Bucs are really extra passionate about what they’re seeing — and not seeing — from Tampa Bay.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:09 pm
Good luck with that Anthony Becht. Gerald already said he’s not going to have that mindset.”TThou shalt not hurt QB, RB and offensive lineman.” And he’s our captain??? Imagine the rest of the teams’ mentality. He leads they follow. This team wouldn’t crush a grape with golf shoes on. SOFT!
October 16th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
All you have to do is look at the head coach on the sidelines every Sunday and understand that is who we are.
No leadership or expression what so ever.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
When you hire backups and has-beens to start on your oline this is what you get. Thanks lapdog Licht!!! Real great work you are putting in up there. This bag a dicks has to go.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:26 pm
It seems what it comes down to is the team may be soft, but first and foremost some of the talent there is not as good as advertised. Lovie may get them together playing as a cohesive unit eventually, but the talent level will bring too few wins.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
I just saw the Bucs Director of Player Development got busted for a DUI last night. Great example to “develop the players”.
This organization is in shambles.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
I just saw the Bucs Director of Player Development got busted for a D.U.I last night. Great example to “develop the players”.
This organization is in shambles.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
We better beat the Vikings next week.
No more excuses, where is the defense?
GMC, you’re an all-pro, but we need you to set the tone for the defense.
Where is the pass rush?
October 16th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Oh, and Dallas Buc will love this, that Dir of Player Development had been with the, you guessed it, Chicago Bears the past 6 seasons before this season.
ANOTHER LAP DOG!
October 16th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
This is a dead end coaching staff
No hope
October 16th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
Time to call in the Hawk for some fines…..every Buc should chip in….
I think Evans can deliver a bit of nasty….and we could afford a couple of penalties from Gholston…..
Lets do it!!!
October 16th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
LightningBuc,
WDAE is reporting that our Director of Player Development has been let go by the Bucs.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
Well maybe we’ll start getting some better player development if that dude gets fired now, haha! #itsabucslife
October 16th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
“already let go”, well that didn’t take too long… Here’s to ‘hope’
October 16th, 2014 at 4:37 pm
No offense to you, Joe, you do a great job. But every time I come on JBF, as I do several times a day, it depresses the hell out of me. Aren’t Bucs’ fans in this same place every year? Hope… reality, hope… reality. An endless cycle for us all
October 16th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
Head coach should be arrested and let go to for highway robbery
October 16th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
stevek,
Wow! They already canned him, huh? Tampa Trib didn’t say he’d been fired.
October 16th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
Greg,
LOL!
October 16th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
@ Greg, LOL
October 16th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
I think the NFL should no longer allowed garunteed contracts for shitty coaches… Lovie just made millions sitting on his ass last year, Schiano gets to do it this year and Lovie isn’t far from another multi million dollar paid vacation… Boooooo!!!
October 16th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
And that’s why Yellow makes me sad.
October 16th, 2014 at 5:15 pm
The mindset change should start in the 1st quarter not with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter down by 30.
October 16th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
What the Buc’s Need: !. A new OL Coach, 2. A new experienced NFL OC, 3. More Depth for Offense, including a bigger back who can open his own holes, 4. Swap the Starting Offensive Tackles, 5. A double digit sacker, 6. a Urlacher Clone for MLB, 7. Start Tandy and trade Golston, 8. an experienced CB who can play both Tampa 2 and man for man. 9. A talented LG, and most important 10. A Franchise QB in the first round next year, and 11. Replace Licht and all his scouts he hired.
October 16th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
Nobody ever questioned the intensity or effort under Schiano. This goes squarely at coaching. It’s because Lovie is a laid back guy and his team is going to take after that. Someone needs to light a fire and it hasn’t happened.
October 16th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
Shciano cracked the whip and Players didn’t like it. In comes a players (code speak) and what happens?
October 16th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
My favorite GEICO commercial Barry. The exact reason many of us want the blacklisted ex OL from the Dolphins.
Fred, the days of having a coach yelling and screaming at you on the sideline are over. These are grown men who are professionals.
How would u feel like on your job if your manager stood over you and screamed at you every time you dropped a fresh basket of fries in the batter or put two or three more fries in a bag than you should have.
Would you keep working for him or would you start putting out feelers to Dominos or Papa Johns to work as a delivery driver.
October 16th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Well….Lovie has said..he doesn’t change his mind……he needs a new address
October 16th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
Would love to see db as lb coach. Bucs struggling has to do with front office and coaching. Starting with firing gruden and hiring Morris too trading 1st and 4th rd picks for 1 year rental of damaged goods revis. I’d rather have used that 1st and 4th rd draft picks to get a tackle and cb. Then use that fa money spent on Collins too add a guard in fa.
October 16th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
I’d love to see DB as interim HC…
October 16th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
Sissy coach = No Swagger
October 16th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
owlykat….Lovie Smith makes all the decisions. Not Licht.
October 16th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
Mort , I tend to agree. I don’t think it’s ”nice guy” mindset at all; I think it is sheer lack of effort. Guys are stealing paychecks out there.
October 16th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
@Greg
“No leadership or expression what so ever”.
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It would be a breath of fresh air to see Lovie Light someone up for stupidity or lack of performance. 49er’s Jim Harbaugh gets after it. Maybe we need to resort to Shiano style of playing even on kneel downs until the end, well maybe not.
October 16th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
A team takes on its’ coaches personality, we have no fire, no passion, we play uninspired, monotone infused football. we play just like our coach looks. Subdued, Sad.
October 16th, 2014 at 6:45 pm
@911 bucs
Jim Harbaugh seems to do ok
I would settle for the nfc championship game
October 16th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
@Dewey selmon
Thank you
October 16th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
The Tampa Bay Bucs are the joke of the NFL these days.
Anyone want a great deal on Seasons Tickets ?
October 16th, 2014 at 7:57 pm
GREG your a complete idiot.
So only emotional coaches are good huh?
Like Rah? Schiano?
and those calm guys are terrible. Dungy, Landry, oh wait you have no idea who Landry is do you? Idiot
October 16th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
@Dewey selmon
Thank you
agree….sad…this is the lowest point in Buc history …and was in the stands for 0-26…I’ve been though it all as a fan…this is dismal
October 16th, 2014 at 8:00 pm
I think the real idiots are the ones that try to suger coat everything instead of saying it the way it is.
Wake up
October 16th, 2014 at 8:03 pm
I can’t believe Lovie was just compared to Landry
LMAO
October 16th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
I thought Dungy was being compared to Landry….listen…Tony was fired because he could not inspire….then he went to Indy with one of the top QB’s of this era…Tony did shape up the defense when he got there …Tony didn’t coach Manning to greatness….Lovie is neither…Lovie is in way over his head both relating to 2014 NFL players …and how NFL football is played….
October 16th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
@bucstop
Well well well. Look who showed their face. Only took a week. Lol. We missed you on Sunday Monday and Tuesday bucstop. All that isht you were talking about on Saturday. What happened? We got embarrassed at home and he Brooks is calling the team out. What happened oh great real bucs fan. What happened?
October 16th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
I think o brought the best out in him
Oops
October 16th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
This team NEVER quit on Schiano.
Lost 18-17 @ Jets
Lost 16-14 to N.O. @ Tampa
Lost 23-3 @ N.E.
Lost 13-10 to Ariz @ Tampa
Lost 31-20 to Philly @ Tampa
Lost 31-23 @ Atl
Lost 31-13 to Car @ Tampa
Lost 27-24 in OT to the SB Champion Seahawks@ Seattle
Won 22-19 @ Tampa over Miami
Won 41-28 @ Tampa over Atl
Won 24-21 @ Det
Lost 27-6 @ Car
Won 27-6 @ Tampa over Buf
Lost 33-14 @ Tampa to San Fran
Lost 23-13 @ STL
Lost 42-17 @ N.O
The team was 0-7 at the time they went out to Seattle and had the SB Champs on the ropes. They lost in OT. Most 0-7 teams would just give up, especially if they “hated” their coach so much.
No they never quit on the Schiano.
This past Sunday againt the Ravens, can anyone say the same for Lovie?
October 16th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Gotta be really proud to be a current Buc. Basically a boatload of former Bucs, NFL players themselves, are calling out the current Bucs manhood.
And so that’s what’s it’s come to Buccos’. Your fellow players think you all are a bunch of pussssiesss! You guys must be proud!
October 16th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Lovie blankly staring during the game at replays. I don’t see him “coaching” at all. Compare lovie and Jim harbaugh during games. Who’s the one coaching. ?
October 16th, 2014 at 9:22 pm
C’mon BucStop!
No need to name call.
1987,
Thanks for the breakdown. And to think, Schiano didn’t even get to start his QB. Lovie can get us turned around.
What’s up with our pass rush? Weak sauce.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:22 pm
87- well said man.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
Harry Says
“No offense to you, Joe, you do a great job. But every time I come on JBF, as I do several times a day, it depresses the hell out of me. Aren’t Bucs’ fans in this same place every year? Hope… reality, hope… reality. An endless cycle for us all”
You are not the only one. I used to come here every other hour to check on things. Now I come maybe twice a day, sometimes not at all. It’s not the articles, its the commenters. I’ve NEVER seen so many quiters gathered in one place. The negativity is overwhelming.
I understand being upset and stating that certain things are not acceptable. It’s the loser mindset I hate.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
@87
See, when talking about the calm coaches, these are the coaches that get quit on. Just look at Rah. He was a player’s coach, their buddy, good ‘ol pal. Not only were the players undisciplined, but they threw tantrums all the time too and played half-assed because Rah never did anything about it. Lovie is the same, no discipline, players don’t seem to care.
Only two differences?
Rah was new to running a team, and his players did not quit till year 3.
Lovie is experienced, stubborn, and had his players give up on him in game 3.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
It doesnt take a rah rah coach to have a successful team, the NFL’s history has taught us that. imo its a losing culture that has been festering on this team for the last three year. There’s an attitude of not having to give 100% on every play that is still alive and well today on the bucs. I said it after the game, they were just going through the motions. Might not be a bad idea to add a couple of pricks to this team, someone like a Warren Sapp that wont be afraid to get in his teammates faces or step on some toes if he has to. I saw some fight vs the saints, but vs the ravens I saw hardly any fight on this team.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Bonzai- “I understand being upset and stating that certain things are not acceptable. It’s the loser mindset I hate.”
Cause you’re such a winner? Get over yourself and stop with incessant and tired criticism of fans that express their dislike for how poorly their favorite team is being run. Don’t like coming here anymore because of people like me? Good…hall ass!
October 16th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
I don’t understand how it takes time to learn the defensive scheme but they’ll need to reload the roster to get the “right” players. That will mean they will need time to learn the system as well. So by the time L&L get their players, maybe 2-4 yrs go by and that’s just on the defensive side of the ball. Not to mention there will be a new offensive system next year as well. Throw in the fact that the Glazers won’t fire L&L, they don’t know how to draft and pick up FAs, and overpay and we’ve got ourselves another decade of hot garbage. Oh I forgot that Lovie doesn’t know how to coach and certainly doesn’t know how to light a fire under his players. That’s a perfect recipe for continued failure. Wake me up when they’re at least competent.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
Schiano was not a good HC, but would’ve made a good GM. The reason the Bucs didn’t quit on him was because he did not let them. And some of the team had quitters from Raheem’s sqaud, I guarantee you that they were trying to play half-assed, but Schiano lowered the boom on them. Lovie just stands there, staring off into space like a moron.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
When Jeremy Shockey would be on the losing end of a football game, he’d literally eat dirt.
Our guys need to show more heart out there. It’s one thing to not know the defense, but to set records for being the worst all time is unacceptable. We need our defensive line to step up and make some splash plays.
Additionally, EDS and ASJ, WTF, handle the football, you’re professionals for goodness sake.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
@ Pelbuc
Sure the new players will have to learn this defense, but a player who is a better fit for this defense in terms of ability might not struggle as much as some of the players now who are poor fits for this defense. Take Foster for example, a pretty good player inside the box, but ask him to cover some ground in the passing game and he’s easily exposed. You get a MLB who is better suited to cover, and I’m sure you would some some instant improvements. That’s just one example.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Bonzai, how are we as Bucs fans supposed to sit back and watch as teams like the Seahawks, 49ers, Chiefs, Panthers, etc. go from basement to playoff contention in as little as one or two seasons while we have sat here with an irrelevant team for 6 straight years and NOT develop a negative attitude?
October 16th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Bonzai,
What the hell is wrong with the Bucs? Our level of suckage, not winning a playoff game since SB 37, not having a 10 sack guy since Simeon Rice, and the rinse, lather, repeat of inept ownership hurts.
Don’t even get me started on why the new NFL CBA had a salary cap floor installed.
We are falling behind Jacksonville, far fall from grace. We are turning into the Raiders without the history of past success.
The loser mentality blows, but not as hard as our pass defense. 🙂
October 16th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
And that’s just my opinion. Sure there will be a learning curve, but it wont be as steep.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:44 pm
@Buc1987 I mean do you even review what you post before you post it!? I thought you were just a little stupid, but now I think your a complete moron… How can you say the team didn’t quit on Schiano when you go in detail about starting his team starting 0-8 and then post those blowout losses at the end of the season?!?!?!
I hope you were being sarcastic…. For your sake!
October 16th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
And the frustrating part is that Foster is a strong side LB! I watched him in college, and he was a heck of a SLB. Yes he played some MLB, but he wasn’t nearly as good as when he played on the strong side. I wish just for one game they would put him there, I bet he would shine.
October 16th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
OneIdiot….what blowout losses 1 game? 42-17 @N.O.
Unless you call a 10 point loss at St Louis a blowout. Or 18 point loss to San Fran a blowout. I call 28-0 in the first quarter 38-0 at the 1/2 a blowout.
Schiano’s Bucs were 0-7 jackass they had every reason to quit on him at that point. Did they? Nope. They went 3,000 miles away to Seattle and had the Hawks on the ropes. That’s not quitting on your coach.
Andrew 1…yer right no need to name call, except when they start first.
I had season tickets last season. I saw no quit in that team at all, when they had every reason to.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
Joe could interject into this too if he wants to. He wrote articles more than once last season about how the team did not quit on Schiano. I believe he even mentioned it on the radio as well to BD.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
To be fair, I dont think this team has quit either, at least not yet anyway. They’re trying to do their jobs, there’s just no enthusiasm behind it in Sunday’s game. But as of now they have not quit. Now, if were talking about Rah’s last season with the bucs, there’s no doubt in my mind those guys quit. I will forever be scared by that season lol. Dont even like to think about it.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:11 pm
These last 2 and a half season have been like a picnic compared to Rah’s last season.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
@Andrew 1
No, when it comes to the whole season they have not given up yet. After all, they did win at Pittsburgh after the ATL game, but there is no doubt they quit in those two blowout losses, BEFORE the second half. That’s bad.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
1-5 Jets putting up a good fight against Belicheat and his cameras.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
WalkadaPlank
I see what you mean, but in those instances I wouldn’t call it quitting. To me if a team has quit on its coach, you’ll see blowout loss after blowout loss, much like we did in Rah’s final season. In those instances that you mentioned, I would say that our team was overwhelmed more than anything else.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
I’m not saying the team has quit on Lovie yet either. It was an off topic post, because I’m tired of reading idiots on this site saying the team quit on Schiano. It’s like they choose to believe what wasn’t there.
When I say I had season tickets. It means that I would have never continued going to the games if I though for once they appeared like they quit at any point. They were scrapping for most of the season.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
I have a feeling we’ll see plenty of fight vs the vikings, or at least we better. It’s just a shame that it takes an embarrassing game like the one last Sunday to bring that out of them. But I sincerely think that if we have enough embarrassing games, then that will get things to change. I honestly believe that. How many embarrassing games it will take, idk. I think Lovie feels the same way though. It’s why he told his players that the game vs the falcons should be carried around like a scar instead of being forgotten. There’s no running from it, at some point these players are going to have to own up to it.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
“There’s no running from it, at some point these players are going to have to own up to it.”
It’s either that or I’m going to start to wonder if they even care…
October 16th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
Regardless of what happens this season, I am willing to give Lovie the benefit of the doubt. Doubt of how horrible this team might be after switching HC’s for the 4th time in 6 seasons.
I realize I and many other posters have been made a fool of for calling for the head of Schiano. I didn’t like him, still don’t. But I honestly believe his Bucs would be doing better than Lovie’s Bucs.
I hated him during the season, leading my Bucs to an 0-8 start, mishandling the Freeman debacle, failure to make 2nd half adjustments, refusing to use offensive schemes that showed success in games and adding them to the gameplan, and inability to craft a remotely respectable pass rush and pulling dumb stunts, etc.
But you know what? His players did not quit, he did not let them. After starting 0-8, he finished 4-4, with one of those losses taking a 21 point lead and barely losing to the Super Bowl Seahawks IN SEATTLE. Far better run blocking, even though the old O-line couldn’t pass block for anything. His team created turnovers, and didn’t commit them. Not as disciplined as advertised, but way better than Lovie’s Bucs. His trades made more sense. His draft picks made more sense. His FA pickups made more sense. He never got embarrassed 38-0 in the first half, or lost 56-14 to a poor Falcons team. And he showed passion.
I still think he would’ve made a fine GM, and maybe he wasn’t cut out for the big leagues, but I as a fan regret not giving him a 3rd year. It makes this season all the more worse.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
WalkDaPlank…That’s why I think Schiano would make a great (GM) boss over Lovie.
He’d hold Lovie accountable and his drafts were decent. Oh well just a thought.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
How nice would it be to have Sheldon Richardson lining up next to GMC? Thanks again for the Revis trade, SMH.
October 16th, 2014 at 10:58 pm
Revis just made an excellent play to stop the Jets on the 3rd down. Meanwhile, Verner has given up a long TD almost every single week. Who was it that said he was like cinnamon toast crunch? Lmao.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:00 pm
Bet you Tim Wright will score, to add insult to injury.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
@ WaldaPlank
I never hated Schiano either. It absolutely infuriated me to hear people call him a nazi, or evil. But even though he was a good motivator, it takes more than that to be a good head coach. In terms of X’s and O’s he was not on par with the NFL level. Imo it was the right decision to let him go. Lovie has had the kind of experience that is necessary, but hasn’t had enough time to impose his will up to this point. All I will say is let the ENTIRE season play out before any should make any decision when it comes to Lovie. But of course bucs fans won’t.
Even having said all that, I think it is completely unfair to compare Schiano to Lovie in any way, shape, or form. It’s completely unnecessary at this point.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:13 pm
I started Wright in FF…let him get a TD. Please. I lost last week for pulling Smith Sr out of my line up, because he was playing the Bucs. That won’t happen the rest of the season. I knew better than to bench him.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Andrew 1….I’ve had one major problem with Lovie even before any games were being played.
The head coach does not hire the GM. It just doesn’t work that way.
How much control over every decision did he have in Chicago?
This could be why we suck. Maybe Lovie needs a boss outside of someone named Glazer. Besides DallasBuc’s lapdog Licht.
I thought that was going to be a problem long before DallasBuc was running his keyboard all summer in here.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Best way to win FF matchups? Draft any and all notable offensive players who are poised to play the Bucs. I’m too much of a homer to play FF.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:20 pm
I heard Flacco racked up 32 fantasy points last week. Hope you didn’t have to go up against him. 😉
October 16th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
This prime time game is GOOD! Rex Ryan’s 1-5 Jets look really competitive.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:28 pm
lol This is the first year I’ve played FF since 2001. I’m kind of glad I did. Gives me something to look forward to every week besides this Bucs team.
I started with the Bucs D for my defense. I dropped it by week 3. lol
October 16th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
58 yards, crazy.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:30 pm
@ Buc1987
Pretty sure the Glazer’s hired Licht, not Lovie. In fact, I think that’s why it took so long to hire a GM this season. You know how the Glazer’s are, look how long it took them to hire Schiano. As far as who has more control over this team, there is absolutely NO WAY of knowing that, no matter how much DallasBuc likes to call Licht a lapdog. These guys are responsible for their own jobs. Dont believe me? Well than all you have to do is remember that Rah was fired well before the Rock star to know that a head coach and a GM can be independent of each other in terms of job security. So why wouldn’t they have equal say? Also, why you would even consider dallas’ opinion with how much crap he spews is beyond me. To each his own I guess.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:32 pm
First and last time I played FF was 2012. Miserable year for me. Except when I started Doug Martin against the Raiders. 🙂
October 16th, 2014 at 11:37 pm
Andrew 1…I considered it long before DallasBuc was even saying it. I just was’nt on site, but I agreed with him when I read his posts over the summer.
Joe’s even said Lovie calls most of the shots on numerous occasions.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
@ Buc1987
I distinctly remembering reading that “The Glazer’s haven’t made a decision on a GM” yet. As far as Joe saying that Lovie “calls most of the shots”, I wouldn’t put to much stock in that. That phrase is purely speculation. Truth is nobody knows for sure exactly who is in charge of the decision making, outside of the bucs organization. More than likely its a joint effort though.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Then perhaps Joe needs to get to the bottom of it. Get cracking Joes. People are wondering.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
@ Buc1987
Unfortunately its not something that Joe, or anyone inside the media for the matter, can get to the bottom of. You have to be knowledgeably of the bucs inner-workings to get such an answer, e.g. be inside private meeting’s and decision makings. Joe’s guess is as good as anyone else.
October 16th, 2014 at 11:56 pm
Andrew…then how often have you ever seen a coach get hired before a GM?
October 17th, 2014 at 12:04 am
@ Buc1987
Usually it’s simultaneous. But the order in which they’re hired is pretty much irrelevant. imo the bucs knew they wanted to hire Lovie during the 2013 season. It’s why Lovie was hired so quickly after the seasoned ended. They probably were indecisive in who they wanted to hire as the GM at that point. Doesn’t prove anything though.
October 17th, 2014 at 12:05 am
24.nov.2013 – Lions-Bucs: Greg Schiano’s post gam…: http://youtu.be/VTeQFIA-jQw
My favorite part off last season
October 17th, 2014 at 12:10 am
And remember, teams have to have permission from other teams to be able to talk to coachs or GMs under contract. Lovie wasn’t under contract with anyone, Licht was at that point. So you can see why one could be hired before the other.
October 17th, 2014 at 12:13 am
getaclue…lol Find Lovie’s locker speech after the Pitt game.
Lovie : Good job out there today guys. Way to go. Thee end.
October 17th, 2014 at 12:16 am
Bonzai has this cockamamie idea that it’s all Frazier’s fault. His reason is that players don’t like him for what he did to Freeman when he was with the Vikes.
People are cracking up around here. They really are..
This team better start winning or were all headed for the nut house.
October 17th, 2014 at 12:44 am
Like I’ve said before, try not to get to high or to low on any win or loss. I know it’s tough, personally I’m pissed at the players right now, but it’s a long season and things will change. Let the entire season play out before you’ve made up your mind, that’s all I’m sayin. You might be happy that you did. Just a suggestion.
October 17th, 2014 at 3:49 am
Question? Is that the same Becht that could not keep his job with The Bucs or any club for very long? To call him a Buc strains my credulity.
Lovey is a looser! Glazers really shiit their drawers when they hired him. If he goes 2 and 14 he will be run out of town to us a favorite phrase of a certain radio k9 on radio. And he can take Frazer with him. You all know how badly he fffu-cked up fremans mind. Ha!
Hate to forecast defeat but as I see it now, Vikings 38 bucs 17. Loveys speech in the locker room the same. “Good game guys”
October 17th, 2014 at 7:57 am
DallasBuc Says
“Cause you’re such a winner? Get over yourself…”
Why, yes, I am actually. In more ways than one.
If you wish to defend your right to be a loser or maintain a losing mentality, you just go for it. Don’t assume I fit the bill, because I don’t. It’s all about mindset, friend. Think about that.
October 17th, 2014 at 8:02 am
@Buc1987
You just love making things up lately. I never said it was ALL Fraziers fault. I said I never agreed with the hire and stated my reasons.
But, of course, you can believe what you want. You have every right to be wrong.
It’s been my experience here that when people are disagreed with or called out for lying or misstating the facts, they deflect. They take digs. In nearly all cases, those are the people that are wrong.
Welcome to the club.
October 17th, 2014 at 9:36 am
Bonzai- “If you wish to defend your right to be a loser or maintain a losing mentality, you just go for it. Don’t assume I fit the bill, because I don’t. It’s all about mindset, friend. Think about that.”
Wow aren’t you the beacon of intelligent wisdom you big winner?!!! You are the one that has defended every single loser move by this loser regime and you continue to do it after they are widely seen as the biggest losers in all the NFL. I’ve suggested several times that maybe you should stop attacking other Bucs fans for expressing their opinions on the single best place to do so but I guess your winner wisdom will not allow you to do that. So keep talking tough guy. I get a real kick out of it!
October 17th, 2014 at 9:50 am
Andrew- “…why you would even consider dallas’ opinion with how much crap he spews is beyond me”
This “crap” you say I spew…let me know where I have been wrong? This whole fake arguement about who has the final say is laughable. It was widely documented at the time the rookie Licht was hired that Lovie has final say on draft and roster. It was dressed up a bit where Licht would say hypothetically that if they couldn’t agree on a player then they wouldn’t pick him. Make no mistake, if Lovie does or does not want a player his word is final. I have been right about nearly everything. From lapdog hire to the inexplicable McCown situation to overpaid/under-performing FAs to the purging of proven vets to the lack of competition for FAs to the making of this embarrassing oline. Call it what you want, it’s your right, but calling the truth “crap” makes you sound less than honest or intelligent.
October 17th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
I’ve been a Buc fan since 1976 and through all the seasons I’ve watched the Bucs play I don’t remember Becht or Ian being all that great of players for the Bucs. At best they were OK and thats about all I can say for them. So their oppinions don’t really mean that much to me. These guys were average players so I don’t see how average can talk about or be qualified to talk about what a team should do or not do. I can remember these two guys making some pretty boneheaded plays themselves. As my good old Dad use to say; “Talks cheap, it takes money to buy whiskey.”
October 17th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
I think Lovie should go back to his basement and watch some more porn. 😉