Playing Himself Out Of A Job

October 26th, 2014


The Mike Glennon Mob is disbanding faster than the Doug Martin bandwagon.

Glennon led a terrible, 32nd-ranked Bucs offense last year and, after a couple of strong starts this season, is again leading a woeful offense reaching devastating levels of impotence.

Glennon’s grand audition, a chance to show Bucs fans and the Lovie Smith/Jason Licht regime that Tampa Bay can win with the fourth best quarterback in the NFC South, is failing.

Today, Glennon took a big step backwards. His dreadful early interception was bad on two levels. First, Mike Evans was wide open with a step on his defender while Glennon rolled right and seemed to look right at him. But Glennon didn’t throw it. When he finally tossed the rock, Evans was covered and Glennon threw short.

Second, Glennon’s lack of mobility was stunning today. On one play, Glennon pump-faked the left defensive end coming at him. The LDE bit on the fake and jumped, came down, recovered, and tackled Glennon from behind as Glennon tried to escape.

Then there was the fantastically ugly scramble by Glennon. He ran for the sidelines on third down and ran out of bounds inches short of the first down marker without making an effort to move the chains. It was a either a total brain fart, or a weak-duck moment that never would have from a warrior like Jeff Garcia.

There were other sad moments, as well.

Of course, there’s that little matter of the Bucs getting shut out in the first half — another slow start.

Assign Glennon any level of blame you wish, but he will be held accountable. He’s rapidly playing himself out of starting job in 2015.

155 Responses to “Playing Himself Out Of A Job”

  1. bucrightoff Says:

    Playing himself out of a job…and playing McCown back into one.

    Do people think it’s gonna go differently? Remember who the coach is. If you want a drafted QB you also need to root for the coach to be fired.

  2. Chef Paul Says:

    I got to admit, I’m beginning to lose patience with Glennon. I thought he deserved a shot. He got his shot, and he’s been largely disappointing.

  3. Razor123 Says:

    I was out of town today to watch my sons team play,I set my DVR to watch the game when I got home. Someone spilled the beans on how the game concluded and for the first time in 20 years I didn’t watch the Bucs play. I just deleted it. A weird awful feeling.

  4. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    And he missed all those wide open receivers down the field deep…oh wait that was Bridgewater…who at least had somebody open.

  5. mike h Says:

    I think lovie dovie the idiot should be out of a job. I want to puke.

  6. buc4lyfe Says:

    He played himself out of the job. Lovie has no ties to Glennon how can you be rattled like that lol he mistook the purple for ravens defense. Joe joined the mgm I guess it’s safe to say you lost him, finally I hope people see just because he’s the best we got on the roster doesn’t mean he’s the answer. He’s a back up and there’s no shame in that lol ask mccown in sure that’s what he’s coaching Glennon on

  7. The Ether Says:

    Keep Glennon in it… We’re on pace for that #1 Draft Pick Mariota. Plus the dudes we trade him too will want a little more tape on him… so stay the course…

    At this point, its all about 2015…

  8. Lev Says:

    Yeah he looks like a good back up at this point. I think Lovie and Jason will see it to by season’s end.

  9. HawaiianBuc Says:

    I had to work today, so I just finished watching the game. As typical, I feel sick to my stomach. There’s just no way around the fact that we are a bad bad football team. We aren’t good at anything. We aren’t even average at anything.

    As for Glennon, I’ve seen enough to know what I have always feared – he’s just not good enough. I don’t want to hear about protection, lack of weapons, no running game, etc. He’s just not a franchise QB. Not that I blame him, but he is throwing everything off his back foot. He’s scared of the rush. He doesn’t look very “cerebral” to me at all. He should be checking out of some of these plays, because you can tell they are doomed from before the snap. He sees a team overloaded to one side, yet he still runs the running play on the overloaded side. Blame coaches all you want, that’s him. He’s not accurate early in the game. He takes longer than Josh Freeman to get into a rhythm, which I didn’t think was even possible.

    Now he’s not the reason we are losing, but he’s also the reason we aren’t winning. He doesn’t consistently make the throws, especially early on. If you give him a clean pocket he will, but this is the NFL, more specifically this is the Bucs. That sh!t isn’t going to happen. Adapt! I’m sure the mob is going to think I’m blaming him or picking on him. Nothing could be further from the truth. Fact is, he’s not a franchise QB. Compare him to whoever you want, or make all the excuses you want, it doesn’t change that fact. I want him to prove me wrong, but I know he won’t.

  10. BucFan20 Says:

    Picture just about sums it up. See all our linemen with their thumbs up their a$$!

  11. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Joe….you may be right…..Glennon is giving Lovie a chance to do what he wanted to do today…..start McCown…..but if the season is lost, then it still makes more sense to continue to start Glennon….
    Even as bad as he was….he has gotten us a lead….late in 3 of the 4 games he’s started.
    If we are to draft a QB in the 1st round next year…..Lovie & Licht need to be certain that Glennon isnt’ our QB of the future….the only way to know for sure is to continue to play him… or lose!!!

  12. Ray Rice Says:

    Hey Joe…. Why the hell don’t you talk about your man beef ASJ? You DIK RIDE him all day long even when he FUKS up. And you don’t say $hit about him. No passes for anyone. I don’t care how many times you both have hooked up. You need to put your MAN on blast too.

  13. Ray Rice Says:

    Hey Joe…. Why the hell don’t you talk about your man beef ASJ? You DIK RIDE him all day long even when he FUKS up. And you don’t say $hit about him. No passes for anyone. I don’t care how many times you both have hooked up. You need to put your MAN on blast too.

  14. Pawel Says:

    This offense routes, scheme and offense line just plain awful. Just take a look last year I believe Glennon had more time to throw and that connecroon he had with Tim Wright. Look at Evans covered at all times. We need those mid size speedy guys mixed in with some tall receivers, can’t have 2 Jacksons.

  15. Bill T Says:

    Only thing he is lacking is more mobility. If he had that, he wouldn’t have had the INT as it really wasn’t there. But he could have run for 10+ yards. He has to go somewhere with an O-Line. He’s like Ryan, Stafford, Flacco. All pocket passers with Lines and play calling to suit their strengths.
    To be clear though, Glennon is not the reason why their 1-6. Try the worst Offensive line in the NFL and until today, one of the worst defenses in NFL history. Last, a coaching staff that is way worse than last year’s. Don’t be fooled otherwise.

  16. mike h Says:

    really…. ya blame glennon not the coching they don’t even have a oc what a cluster f..k of a team the glazers should be ashamed of this hire the guy is a idiot period.

  17. Yungry Says:

    Fire sale starts at midnight…

  18. buc4lyfe Says:

    The windows in the NFL are small…. Glennon has the told but he’s gun shy plus he came read defenses pure snap like teddy Bridgewater did, he’s still taking the calls from the sideline like a college qb. You keep saying let Glennon call his own number but if he could they would, this isn’t schiano so can’t use that excuse anymore either. Like Jason licht said you cannot be afraid to move on and I don’t understand all this emotion for an average player, I want winners and that was about 3 minutes of good quarterbacking

  19. Fort Myers Dave Says:

    1-15 looks like a definite possibility. So I guess the Bucs will pick in the top 4 with Oakland, the Jets and Jags in some order. Fortunately for Tampa Bay: the Jags and Raiders got their qbs last draft. Question is who are the Jets and Bucs going to target: Mariota, Winston, or perhaps trade out of the top 4 for more picks to fix a bad OL and impotent defense???? This team is regressing: simply put they lost another winnable game; tis is just like the Lamb loss in week 2: Rams redeux and it seems like the team is just as bad as it was 6 weeks ago, no damned progress and that has to point to Lovie and his coaching staff as they have failed in at least one of 2 things: targeting the correct talent to make this team competitive and/or getting this team ready each week to play at its highest level without mistakes. IO have to fail Lovie, Licht and everyone else in the organization right now: this team is worse then Schiano’s squad and about as bad as Rah’s team when they quit at the end of ’11. Even Chuckie’s worst team: a 4-12 squad in 2006 was better than this crap we have playing at Ray Jay each home game and that speaks volumes about the Glazers and their commitment to making the Bucs competitive….

  20. mike h Says:

    ya nice defence there coach 1.20 left they march down there and tie it up like there was 5 guys on defence wow yup glennons fault. wtf

  21. Buccfan37 Says:

    Granted, Glennon did’nt have his best game. You could point out the positive, he led the team to the lead with two minutes left in the game, as someone already pointed out. He did’nt lose the game from what I saw. Are you ready to see McCown take over too? That tenure of General of the Glennon Mob looks shaky right about now. I’ll accept the demotion, but I don’t like it. You are hereby stripped of your one star to the rank of second lieutenant.

  22. buccanAy Says:

    I’m sure Glennon cant wait to get out of this flamin pile of Sh!t Lovies building.

  23. oldfart Says:

    A marginal QB at best according to Gil Brandt.

    I can hear the gears go click-click-click while he waits to throw. He seems not to look around/across the field. He holds the ball too long and throws off his back foot a lot.

    They have to draw up plays where he can get rid of the ball faster. Perhaps, he is being too careful.

    But the Oline was not good; really no running game.

    I also have to wonder about the offensive system as a whole. I just don’t understand why the Bucs do not hire an experienced OC.

    I was very hopeful for a win today.

    I see that there is now some bitching in the locker room.

  24. mike h Says:

    again from another rookie qb. nice job coaching. had two weeks to get ready also oh besides all them days he gave the team off. they must be tired because they play so hard reallyyyyyy. wow !!!!!!!!!

  25. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It’s pretty sad when the immobile Mike Glennon leads the Bucs in YPC….sad but true….we have no running game….no pass rush….no pass protection…..awful pass defense…..slow recievers/poor route runners (don’t think Jackson was open all day…..
    And yes we have a couple of suitable backup QBs as starters…..

    I would be very comfortable drafting a QB……you tell me which one is a sure thing….and I’ll get on board.

    What I think we have here though is ABG….you figure that out….

  26. jo_mama Says:

    Fire Lovie Smith. What is left to say.

    He has less wins than either Radio or Schiano.

  27. LutzBuczFan Says:

    I’m more disappointed with Doug Martin. We need to pay Lavonte David. He deserves it.

  28. OB Says:


    This team has some very good players, unfortunately they play alone in what they do. I don’t know if we have any good OL men, but they are putrid. It starts with the coaching, two runs up the middle and then throw a short pass. My grand kids could do better than this.

    We need a new owner who wants/knows how to win. As you have said Lovie hasn’t hired an OC, his team can’t play well although the defense did hold them to 13 points in spite of only one sack and no turnovers. The return man was worse then the previous ones. Suspend the bad ones without pay for violating the peace and dignity of the citizens of the Tampa Bay area.

  29. mike h Says:

    I hear ya who cares about number 1 pick ! whith this coaching staff u could have 5 number 1s its still means what wait another 3 years. to compete wtf!!!!!!!!

  30. MTM Says:

    Sign Glennon to a 7yr deal so he stays. He’s the best QB we have(sarcasm). Gut this roster please. The loser mentality in this team is extremely dissapointing.

  31. Celly Says:

    So the defense allows 13 points through regulation but yet you guys still think its their fault?

    Glennon can obviously do no wrong in some of your eyes.

  32. Bill T Says:

    Seriously, all this ragging on Glennon. The offensive line is the worst in football and the play calling is a joke. And his results have been damn good considering. The kid would lucky to be traded outta here.

  33. LUVMYBUCSC Says:

    Hire Todd Bowles!!!!

  34. colin Says:

    When Glennon has time he makes great passes. In order for him to be successful we’re going to need to make significant changes to the OLINE/Blocking schemes.

  35. bucrightoff Says:

    We need to build this team right. It starts with the trenches. You build from the inside out in this league. This talk that you need a QB ignores that the QB needs time to succeed and a running game to give balance

    Look at Romo. Statistically he’s having a down year yet they’re winning more than ever Why? Because they finally invested in their line. Our line is disgusting. Pressure or holding penalties almost every play. Peyton Manning can’t win behind that line.

  36. SteveK Says:


    We are going trade back and fix the trenches.

    Saddle up, partner.

  37. Patrick Says:

    Glennon played ONE really horrible game and he deserves to lose his job??

    Tell me again who our backup quarterback is?

    Glennon may not be a hall of fame quarterback but he has a brighter future than most of the other players on this sorry team do.

    Give the kid of the rest of the season; it’s toast anyway.

  38. SteveK Says:

    How can Glennon be properly evaluated without league average play in any of the areas: o-line pass or run blocking, RB Doug Martin, our sorry pass rush and toasted secondary?

    It’s tough when Glennon gives the Bucs the lead with 2:03 left, and the damn defense can’t make a stop, at home, against a rookie QB lol we effing duck something fierce.

    Hats off, Lovie, you’re making Schiano look like Ditka.

  39. Robert7 Says:

    He didn’t do too well. That was obvious. They also only called one quick slant late in the game to vjay which was spot on. The play calling sux and the o line is worse. Glennon is getting skiddish

  40. BucFan20 Says:

    @ Celly
    You want to put the loss on Glennon who just drove down and gave the team the lead which should have had the team jacked up. Now the defense lets them drive down the field in 9 plays for the tie plus BANKS has the sure INT and blows that ! So ya. That’s on the defense. Want to play the other way. ASJ fumbled not Glennon. Was it a bad game yes. But when it COUNTED. WHO BLEW IT?

  41. Joseph Mamma Says:

    You guy’s crapping on Glennon really want to see a sh$t show, wait til McCown gets another shot running this juggernaut of an offense. You’ll see the meaning of pathetic. This game was lost by both the offense and defense, also lousy coaching. The defense needed a stop at the end, didn’t get it. Glennon and the offense were starting to move the ball and then fumble by rasta-senfarian jenkins. Glennon played mostly bad today but this team sucks at every level. I think we’d lose to the Raider’s right now.

  42. Jeagan1999 Says:

    If GLENNON was the main culprit, I’d be the first one to admit it…but let’s be honest, EVERY aspect of the Bucs offense SUCKS this year…O-line, coaching, running game, play calling, dropped balls, etc… We may never know if MG8 is the answer or not because there are SO many other deficiencies on this club! We need to get rid of several high priced (and ineffective) free agents, and stock up on draft picks, so we can rebuild this club from the inside! It may be 2017 or 2018 before the BUCS are talented and deep enough to make a playoff run. It’s gonna be a long 3-4 years in Tampa!

  43. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “When Glennon has time he makes great passes.”


    Uh, yeah. He’s an NFL QB. They can all do that. If we can give him a clean pocket and 5 seconds to throw, he’s going to be really good.

    Nobody should be saying to put in McCown. This year is over, and no way is McCown going to do any better. But Glennon isn’t the answer. But you now what, I’m just going to let you guys think he’s great. I’m going to let you think he’s the future. Keep holding on to the Brady comparisons, or whoever else you want to bring in. Your minds are made up. Let’s see how that works out for you.

  44. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    On one minor note…….positive……it looks like our young placekicker, Murray has a pretty good leg…….just sayin’

  45. BucFan20 Says:

    This was the same as the Seahawks game last year. Offense drove down the field for the lead . Same result. The damn defense let them drive/slice through them to tie the game.

  46. Brent Says:

    Right on bill t. Glennon is decent qb playing behind bad o-line that equals bad results. He’s played decent most of time. Only 2nd year. I’m just not sure he can be elite? But decent is ok. Fix that o-line and secondary we might win 9 games.

  47. Brent Says:

    Yeah Hawaiian, its been proven our o-line is awful thru statistical analysis. In what world do qbs succeed without adequate protection. Your exaggerating the situation badly..

  48. Soggy Says:

    We are going to be bad for a long time coming.. Most everybody is bad for the bucs sideline and it starts at the coach or lack of.. Gear up for the future, how does GMC say it = Deal with it..

  49. Nybucsfan Says:

    Glennon played one bad game? Have you watched him. Yea he played one bad game this weekend and one two weeks a go and so on. What’s his record as a starter he is the QB he has to lead the team that’s his job. I’ll spell it out for you HE STINKS LOOK AT HIS NUMBERS. I don’t wanna hear the crap about the line and all that bull. No weapons that’s a load of crap he suck get over it MGM.

  50. Buc1987 Says:

    This team has NEVER had a franchise QB.

  51. JJV Says:

    Let’s all stay positive here. Lovie says there is still a lot of football left to play and we are still in it. He is an eternal optimist. There is hope as long as he is our leader.

  52. cmurda Says:

    It’s about time this team drafts one. I don’t mean in the 3rd round but go all in the 1st round and get our best chance at a franchise QB.

  53. jo_mama Says:

    Mike Glennon has better stats than Any QB in the 2013 Draft

    Mike Glennon has better stats than Any QB in the 2014 Draft

    We don’t need a QB we need a coaching staff that actually knows how to work an offense and evaluate talent

    Fire Lovie Smith

  54. John Sapp Says:

    Craziest part is just this….if the Saints lose tonight but beat the Panthers on Thursday we are still just TWO GAMES OUT OF FIRST. Amazing eh?

  55. Greg Says:

    Wow! Two below average teams playing that played to that level. Our offensive line is offensive! The inability to protect or open a running lane was laughable. Thank goodness I had a hot date that distracted me immensely!

  56. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    OK…..I finally agree..

    Glennon Sucks, Oline Sucks, Recievers Suck, Dline Sucks…..2/3 of LBs Suck, CBs Suck, Punter Sucks, Safetys Suck, Coach Sucks, GM Sucks, Owners Suck….

    Everybody but Joe & us Sucks!!!

    And that includes 87 also!!!

  57. John Sapp Says:

    I watched the Colts-Steelers game today so I could remind myself of what a real NFL game looked like, I noticed Andrew Luck rarely if ever held the ball for more than 3 seconds. That ball was out more often than I could count to three missisippi. How do you pressure a QB with that kind of technique and skills? We need a true / bonafide franchise QB.

  58. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Forgot…..RBs suck…..Cheerleaders don’t…..

  59. Yungry Says:

    Realize we lost 3 Pro-Bowl Olineman and Zuttah from last year! This is on the management…

  60. JJV Says:

    “It’s as simple as that”- Lovie Smith’s favorite answer

  61. John Sapp Says:

    Mike Sullivan is available………….just sayin

  62. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ NY BucFan

    You Suck too….unless you’re a Yankee Fan…..then I’ll let you slide

    Hawaiian, Patrick Stevie K & Andrew don’t suck……..

    Also TBBF sucks…..thought I’d throw myself under the bus before you did!!!

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF …now your onto something kiddo. 🙂

    I don’t care if they suck though. I want them to suck. By halftime I wanted them to lose this game because I knew any other decent team would thrash this team down the road and it’s going to be a looong season my friends.

    It doesn’t matter what I think anyways. They are going to lose many more games this season. If so they keep doing it, but play with some kind of fire to evaluate players and what not. Most of them suck, I already did my evaluation.

    We have a chance to FINALLY get a franchise QB. FINALLY!

    Keep losing, losers.

  64. Hawk Says:

    ASJ is bigger, faster, and stronger than most DBs. The problem is that the Bucs didn’t waste a high draft pick on a BLOCKING TE. He needs to ‘catch’ AND then ‘hang on’ to the ball. He may not get many passes his way (maybe even fewer now), so he needs to make them count.
    This was a very disappointing game. There was no ONE player that can have a finger pointed to for this loss, but there was a bright spot. As someone else pointed out, Murray looks like a keeper. Oh, and the kick/punt returner experiment continues.

  65. John Sapp Says:

    Anyone else see this…………..Bengals let Johnson walk away, Packers let EDS walk away, Belichek trades Mankins / Brady feigns being upset over it, Bengals let Collins walk away, Bears fired Lovie, no one else hired him, Frazier gets fire by the Vikes, his only job is with Lovie. This team has a bunch of LOSERS on it.

  66. Buc1987 Says:

    $2,000 for the next 10 years. That’s what the Glazers will get from and my wife if they draft me the QB that I want. I’ll let them know in the morning.

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    Damn typos….damn Devil’s Cut.

  68. JJV Says:

    Do we really believe Lovie will actually draft a franchise QB?

  69. Buc1987 Says:

    I really believe the Glazers will lean on him to do so, because that’s what it will take to bring people back into that stadium after this possible 2-14 season.

  70. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Here is a though…..and want you to be honest….

    If Glennon could play against our Dline and CBs….and had their (anyone’s) OC and their (anyone’s) Oline……then he’d probably be pretty decent….

    I’m watching Packers/Saints….yea their QBs are great…..but their recievers are wide open and neither one has been touched by the opposing D.

    Don’t think they will even need a shower after the game!!!

  71. Tampabaybucfan Says:


  72. Buc1987 Says:

    O lineman don’t generate excitement like Heisman trophy winning QB’s from the same state of Florida. I bet I can get Derrick Brooks to endorse it. 40,000 FSU-Buc fans would come out of the woodwork and buy tickets like flies on honey.

    The Glazers are business people and business is bad.

  73. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    By Contrast

    The “Chicago/St. Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals” currently have a combined 7 TOTAL SACKS on the season. Yet they have a top 5 defense.

    and thats despite missing

    • John Abraham
    • Darnell Dockett
    • Daryl Washington

    No More excuses!!!

  74. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Chef Paul doesn’t suck….

    Never mess with anyone who prepares your meal!!!!!

  75. Buc1987 Says:

    The e-mails need to go out to One Buc.

  76. Andrew 1 Says:

    Sick and tired of hearing how Lovie would pass on a QB, that’s so freakin ridiculous. He drafter all offensive players, did anyone think he would do that!!!

  77. Andrew 1 Says:


    Thanks. You dont suck either lol.

  78. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s okay because Andrew and I are going out ray Jay @ 1-8 to hold Draft Jameis signs in protest.

    Andrew promised me…right Andrew?

  79. Dave Says:

    At this point it doesn’t matter who you put at quarterback because this offensive line is the worst I’ve ever seen. You could replace them with cardboard cutouts and get the same results. Same could be said for our running backs go ahead trade Doug Martin, but damn the Incredible Hulk couldn’t run behind this line. Some of these guys need to give their paychecks back

  80. Brent Says:

    Ny bucs fan, you watched the game and you came away wolverines about mg? I was sitting near Vikings fans who were ragging our o-line. I’m all for drafting a special qb with top 5 pick (if ones there?). But Winston or mariotta would have both struggled behind this o-line today.

  81. Andrew 1 Says:

    Hellz yea 87! I got my Winston jersey ready lol.

  82. John Sapp Says:

    In watching our poor excuse for an offensive line I am reminded how our current regime got rid of Donald Penn (now with the Raiders) Jeremy Zuttah (Ravens) Joseph (Rams) Meredith (Colts), Larsen (cardinals) and Carimi (Falcons). They must not have been too damn bad and I would take them over that crap we call an offensive line today. Still remember Penn punching Jared Allen a few years ago and thats whats missing from this O-line. Some mean nasty SOB’s, instead of the human pieces of plywood we have now.

  83. CC Says:

    Bad owners
    Bad management
    Bad scouting dept
    Bad coaching

    Results in a Bad team and a Bad organization.
    Anybody who defends this sh!t is on fooling themselves.

  84. Buc1987 Says:

    Yes Brent and that’s fine. Then go O-line the rest of the way, but you have to start somewhere and sure things don’t come along too often. We have never had a chance to get one…all that often. The time to strike is now.

    Jameis Winston with real professional WR’s would be deadly. Scratch that he’s just going to be nasty and you people are going to learn to love him.

  85. John Sapp Says:

    We should have kept our O-line from last year, added to it but not gotten rid of them. Most are starting fro other teams.

  86. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    LUV Famous, but that kid Randy Gregory is a beast. Never thought I would see another Simeon Rice clone. Then there’s Todd Gurley…

  87. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I’d be OK with Winston but hide the women & cheerleaders…..

  88. Bannor Says:

    With just under 13 minutes left in the game Glennon had 51 yards passing. He’s not just playing himself out of the starters job he’s playing himself out of the league.

  89. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    He’d probably get really excited with all the pu$$y on our Oline…..just sayin’

  90. Buc1987 Says:

    You’ll love him and so will Mike Evans.

  91. HawaiianBuc Says:

    In a normal situation, I wouldn’t take Winston early. Huge risk off the field. But in our case, he’s too good for this bad team to pass up. I don’t care if we have to hire several babysitters just to keep him from raping women and stealing crab legs – do it! He is a great QB when he’s actually on the field. He (and maybe Mariota) are the only chance we may have at fielding a decent team for the next several years.I don’t care if we draft lineman with every other pick, our first pick needs to be a QB. It’s not even a question.

  92. blackmagic00 Says:

    I’m not part of the mgm. He wasn’t the problem though. Our offensive line sucks like hell. If no loses tonight I’ll be pissed if we lose next week. Everything is in place for this new day in Tampa Bay to strike. If we don’t then we’re looking at more rebuilding. This is getting super old. Come on glazers. Wtf???????

  93. blackmagic00 Says:

    Sorry for anyone who has to decode that. I’m drinking and am not paying attention to my spelling and grammar.

  94. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If Lovie brings back McCown as a starter, then we are drafting a QB…..he has given up on Glennon & thinks McCown gives us the best chance to win some games….
    Glennon gave him an opening with this poor performance today.

    My opinion is that the season is done and we should stick with Glennon to make sure… Pamphile & Edwards on the Oline……go with Sims and see what our younger players can do. Trade anyone that is tradeable for extra picks and cap space……except LVD

  95. Buc1987 Says:

    I’m going to figure out how to mass e-mail the Glazers and One Buc with as many FSU-Buc fans that I can drum up from here until season’s end. We have to start a Winston Revolution.

    Andrew’s with me. I know I can find more. I’m going to work. I have FSU related sites to find and blogs. The word needs to spread like a wild fire.

    Bring me this kid and turn on the lights of Monday Night Football. DUN DUN DUN DUN…….DUNDUN DUN DUN DUN.

    “Hi everyone I’m your host Jon Gruden and welcome to Tampa Bay. Jameis Winston and the Bucs are coming into this game on a 4 game winning streak and a 5-1 record…..” Praise us Jon, praise us.

  96. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    You are crystal clear to the rest of us drunks…

    You don’t suck!!!

  97. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Joe is one smart “journalist”……..0=8……Johnny Football countdown…….1-6…..accused rapist-cleptomaniac/Heisman winner savior watch…..

    Wow, is this going to be fun for the next 6 months…..start the countdown clock…

  98. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    How about

    Cam Cameron-Offensive Coordinator
    Tom Moore- Senior Offensive Assistant


  99. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Cam Cameron is one of the winningest coordinators in NFL history

  100. Buc1987 Says:

    Never had a franchise QB! EV–ER!

    He’s there and waiting for you. I of course was never involved a he said, she said while in college. I did however steal stuff in my early twenties. I’m not proud of it either and it was a long time ago 25 years ago. I look back on it as moronic, but I did do it. I think I was younger though like 19 or so.

    Kids get inro LOTS of trouble in college. This one does too, but ya know what.
    It NEVER shows on the field. NEVER!

    Never had a franchise QB! EV–ER!

  101. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ 1987

    I hate to break this to ya, but I’m not even an FSU fan. I mean generally I want every Florida team in college football to do good, but as far as being a die hard fan, only the bucs are it for me. Doesn’t change the fact the I think Winston is a damn good QB. Best QB prospect since Andrew Luck IMHO. And if he’s not available I’ll even settle for the unheralded Cook from Michigan St who has the scouts drooling. I also got a chance to watch Worley from the Tennessee Vols and came away very impressed, but he is pretty much an unknown. So there are some good ones at QB this draft outside of Winston, but he would be at the top of the list.

  102. fpupke3 Says:

    Thanks God that I’ve never be much of a Bucs fan, because they would probably lose to a Top 10 college football team right now!!

  103. bucrightoff Says:

    Winston is very difficult to judge because he plays on a stacked team. Andrew Luck played at Stanford, a school Jameis probably can’t even spell correctly. Stanford was well coached by Harbaugh but nowhere near as stacked, Luck made them a relevant, top 5 team. FSU would probably still be a top 5 team with a lot of other QBs. Doubt the same goes for Stanford, they’re arguably recruiting better now and doing worse because Hogan isn’t that good.

    Winston is basically Ryan Leaf. The physical talent is there, but is the head there? It’s a huge risk for a team that is going to be bad for a few more years as there is a lot more changeover to be made to this team. It’s a very bad football team, we need upgrades to at least 15 starting positions. That’s insane.

  104. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Some other good QB prospects……Mariota….Hundley, Cook…..not everyone at the top of the draft will need QBs……Oakland/Jacksonville…..

    They drafted their francise QBs last year and the Jets drafted their’s the year before……look where they end up in this year’s draft….at the top again.

    I think we could actually trade down into the middle of the first round and still get a very good prospect.

    Lets see if Winston can make it to the draft without another incident…..

  105. Destinjohnny Says:

    tampa is a weird tow they just dont get that any QB behind that o line and lack of weapons will not have much luck. give mike time and weapons he will be fine

  106. lurker Says:

    mariota really sucked last year and hundley really sucks this year…

  107. lurker Says:

    shoulda drafted a qb last year. it was a deep wr draft and we chose one with our first pick. he was even the best and might not even be top 5.

  108. lurker Says:

    we was *not even the best…

  109. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I’m with you….I am concerned about Winston….as I was Manziel….I think there is no way you can compare him to Luck, Rogers, Brees, Brady, Manning or many other francise QBs because they all have extraordinary leadership skills & are very smart players with excellent characters…..
    Could he change…..sure with great coaching…..just think of what Arroyo can do with him!!!

  110. Oahubuc Says:

    The MGM thing is over blown. Any rational person looking at the likes of Josh Freeman and Luke McClown was going to say put the kid in.

  111. lurker Says:

    so true tbbf…at least we have our qb coach in place!

  112. HawaiianBuc Says:


    You don’t go undefeated, beat an SEC team in the national championship, and not be a really good QB. FSU always has a stacked team. They’re freaking FSU! Did you see them against Clemson when he didn’t play? Winston is incredibly accurate, can make all the throws, makes very few mistakes, and even though you may think he can’t spell, is an incredibly intelligent football player. Not to mention he plays in a pro type offense. All this is coming from a Gator fan. I don’t really like the guy off the field, but he doesn’t strike me as anything like Ryan Leaf. He just seems like a kid who needs to mature – A LOT. If you watch him play, you can just see he’s a NFL QB. We are just too bad, and he is just too good for us to pass up.

  113. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Marshall Williams Manning (Peyton’s 3 year old Son) will be a 2033 graduate of Ole Miss……we will finally have our shot at a francise QB…..

  114. bucrightoff Says:

    Winston simply comes off as not very bright which is alarming and difficult to fix. I mean we’re not talking being a stupid young man drinking too much or partying too hard, he’s gotten himself in bad situations through his own stupidity. Immaturity is something most young people go through. The anti-social behaviour though? Not good.

    Comparing him to Leaf is perfectly right because Leaf too could make all the throws, he took Washington freaking State to the Rose Bowl and people, MANY, thought he was gonna be better than Peyton. He was probably a better prospect than Jameis (whether you agree or not, considering him better than Peyton suggests he is), but there were the questions about him mentally. Just as there is with Jameis.

  115. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    We need “False-Start” Kenyatta Walker on the Oline…..

    Watched Steve Spurrier fizzle as our francise QB…..

    GO GATORS…..GO NOLES…..GO HURRICANE….GO BULLS (Golden Brahamans when I went there)…..GO KNIGHTS…..and by all means GO RATTLERS!!!

  116. Andrew 1 Says:

    Not saying he his Luck, he definitely can’t compete with his squeaky clean image, but (and this is just imo) he is the best since Luck. He’s got the size, arm strength, accuracy, athletic ability, he’s go the production, he’s clutch, and he’s a winner. Tell me one thing the kid hasn’t done on the football field to make you think he wont be an elite QB. Evan after his best WR was drafted, he still has the team winning. Off the field is a different story, and if the bucs are scared off by that, then there are some other good QBs to consider. But at this point if they’re going to be picking that high, then they NEED to pick a QB. I want them to draft Winston, but at this point I don’t care which one, just pick one. I’ve gotten to that point.

  117. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Here we go again guys……as Yogi Berra said….its “Deja Vu all over again”….

    Seems like only a short while ago we were all here last year with the same posts……

    Fire Schiano
    Freeman Melts Down
    Glennon is a Giraffe
    Draft Johnny Football

    But….at least we knew our defense would be good…….RIGHT!!!

  118. Howard Cosell Says:

    The Buccaneers now sit at the nerd table with the Jaguars,
    the Raiders.
    So do the Jets. Ryan is so fired.
    Sad stories one and all.

  119. Biggun Says:

    Well if the guy could get may 3 second after the snap to do something cause our OL can’t protect him and the only thing our RB’s can find is the OL’s A Holes because their not making any holes for them to run through…. Glennon is an pocket passer 90% 10% pocket shifter 0% runner he’s on a team that requires him to run for his life…. SO I think they should include HC’s in the Draft cause we need to really consider getting a new one! I look at other HC’s and I’m like why can’t we have one like that Lovie is NOT the answer!

  120. Andrew 1 Says:

    All those things are true, except we didnt draft Johnny boy (thank goodness). The time is now to take a QB. And I believe we will.

  121. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Andrew

    Like I said….if we see McCown back in….we will draft a QB in 15

  122. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I completely disagree. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind REALLY thought Leaf was better than Manning. It was no different than no one really thought RG3 was better than Luck. Obviously there are some numbskulls that believe their “ceiling” was higher, but there was no doubt who Indy was going to take (either time).

    Funny, in listening to Winston speak, he doesn’t come across as dumb to me. I guess we have to agree to disagree. I find him actually very likeable, and fairly humble. Now I know I sound like a Winston homer, but you really have no idea how much I’m not. Despite the fact that I don’t think he sounds dumb, I still think he’s an idiot. I just think he’s good enough to take a chance that he will work things out. I know this, drafting a non-QB isn’t going to translate to many wins anytime soon. Maybe it will 3-5 years down the road, but I’m not willing to wait that long. I’m over waiting. I want to be relevant again. I’m tired of watching other QB’s shred defenses, while ours gets us hot and bothered with a first down. I don’t care if we draft a QB with our first pick every year, I want a great QB. I don’t want a LT. I don’t want a DE. I want a QB, because that’s the only position that is going to get us out of this sewage that we are currently swimming in. I can’t take any more rebuilding.

  123. Owlykat Says:

    Joe is right the MOB should give up. I knew the Albatross was a loser from the start. I said if Lovie didn’t trade him before the season the whole league would know it too and you couldn’t trade him. Now it is obvious. We have to get a QB in the first round, OL next 2 rounds, and trade for a good LT, and pick up pass rushers in free agency. Fire Tedford, WarFLOP, Frazier, and replace Licht and his scouts. Lovie will have only one more year to get it right. He blew the opportunity he got with this past break. They bring in an inept returner who fumbles a fair catch! Ridiculous!!!

  124. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ TBBF

    I dont even think we need to see McCown back in there to go QB, we’ve seen enough of him. Add to the fact that he’s no spring chicken and a career back up, and he really shouldn’t factor into our long term plans. I read were you said it will be because Glennon isn’t getting the job done, but we also already know what we have in him and he just doesn’t stack up to the likes of Winston or Mariota. Let me put it this way, if both Glennon and Winston are playing behind a flawless offensive line, who do you think would still be the better QB? The answer to that should be our starting QB.

  125. bucrightoff Says:

    Offensive Line Mob. We need to draft OLine heavy this year, DLine as well. Trade with the Eagles, get a boatload of picks and let them take Mariota. Is a QB needed? Most likely. Is QB our biggest concern right now? Not even close. We have multiple greater needs. People have convinced themselves a QB is everything because of the 4 (and now maybe 6 but that will go down again soon) guys who can win with almost any team: Brady, Brees, Manning and Rodgers (with Luck and Wilson lurking).

    Those guys are not every year guys. Saying Jameis is the best prospect since Luck only represents the short period of time and weak classes between them. It’s not even 3 years difference. Luck was 15 years after Peyton, that’s a generational talent. Winston is not even considered the consensus best QB in this draft. He clearly has physical talent but so did the JaMarcus’s and Leaf’s of the world.

  126. RP Says:

    What is Dietrich Smith on? Another false start!
    We need a right guard!
    Play calling was abysmal. Watching Cal play the night before against Oregon was so much more entertaining. Short plays set up long plays and vice versa. Short plays were not just runs up the middle. Plays to the outside setup plays up the middle and vice versa. Why is ASJ running sideline routes. He should be doing seam routes down the middle. Tedford must be really ill. No way he has any input to this mess. Get well soon Coach!!

  127. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I could be talked into drafting a QB….but only if we trade down for an extra pick and use it for the QB…..we have too many needs and I’m not sure there is a guaranteed francise QB in this group…
    Many francise QBs aren’t high first round picks…..look at Kurt Warner……what….Arena League…..etc…Favre & Brees were 2nd round picks…..the list goes on and on…..

  128. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ bucrightoff

    Yes but JeMarucs did not have nearly the amount of production as Winston, nor the accolades. There is no comparison between the two. And also, I dont get were this notion came from that says if we draft a QB high it means we can’t fix the o line. Both can be accomplished at the same time, just not in the same order. You can draft a QB first then a lineman second, but switch the two and it wont be as favorable.

  129. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Winston won the Heisman as a freshman. While he’s not the first to do that, he’s the first to do that running a pro offense. That is important because Tebow and Manziel ran a very simple offense that required very little NFL-type QB play. So while I agree it’s only been a few years, if you took away the off the field stuff, he is right up there with Luck and Manning. Hell, all last year people were saying he would be the #1 pick had he come out as a freshman (which was obviously before all this off the field stuff came out).

    By the way, you do realize the Eagles would never get rid of Foles right? Too much is made of a college coach wanting his college QB. Never would happen in a million years. Think about it.

    Finally, a QB is everything, in today’s NFL. You are not winning a championship without a very good QB, period. There’s no way that can be argued. Although it didn’t last, look at what RG3 did for Washington. Look at what Luck did. Look at what Russell Wilson did. Look at every single playoff team. Glennon isn’t even in the same ballpark with any of them. I can’t think of 5 starting QB’s in the NFL right now that I’d take Glennon over (Geno Smith , Orton, Davis is the only ones off the top of my head). You can’t win like that, no matter how good you block for him.

  130. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Andrew…..

    I’m not saying Lovie should start McCown…..I think he should stick with Glennon because he is at least a future backup and can use the experience…

    What I am saying is that if Lovie dumps on Glennon now….it means he will draft a QB….because he has lost confidence in Glennon….

  131. Andrew 1 Says:


    True, I what you’re saying now. You’re right, there would be a QB drafted for sure if Glennon is given up on during the season.

  132. Gt40bear Says:

    Everyone in this team sucks so why should MG8 be any different. I think One Buc must be built on some ancient Indian burial ground or something. It doesn’t matter who owns, coaches, scouts or plays on or for this team the results are always the same except for one brief period! This is the worst franchise in the history of organized sport by a long shot so I would think that EVERY player on this team is auditioning for his job for next year!

  133. Brent Says:

    I know Winston legit. Haven’t seen mariota. I don’t want Huntley or cook. Glennon is better than those guys. Is there anyway we can dump Frazier in the middle of the Sahara blindfolded? Lovie can run the defense. What’s he for? Vikings had worst defense in league last year. Now he’s taken us from 15 to 32!

  134. bucrightoff Says:

    Washington played a last place schedule and while RGIII played well we all knew he was destined to be an injury case. Just like Mike Vick, his body type was not meant for the NFL punishment and they both try too much to make plays. QBs in the NFL still need to be primarily pocket passers who don’t expose themselves to injury. Jameis has the size so that’s good, again I don’t doubt the physical, I doubt the mental.

    A QB would make no difference with the line as is. Saying you should draft both is putting the cart before the horse. If you draft a bunch of OLine (and not FA please, we have to be tired of seing that not work right?) and they don’t work out, then the guy you’ve drafted as your franchise QB will be getting killed. Build a solid line first then get a QB. This team is a while away from being anything close to a contender. Let’s stop trying to take shortcuts and build the team properly, through the draft.

  135. Andrew 1 Says:

    Well, its like Hawaiian said, the QB is everything in this league. You can have the best O line in front of Glennon, but you’re not going to win a super bowl. You never pass on the opportunity to draft a franchise QB. Never.

  136. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I understand about RG3, but my point is a Qb really is that important. 15 years ago I would state otherwise, but with the rules the way they are now, it’s all about the QB.

    Winston is not a runner. Not at all. He’s a pocket passer.

    The OL is bad, but a lot of the mistakes we are making is Glennon not getting his protection right. He’s not checking out of bad plays. If they are blitzing, don’t run right into the blitz. Don’t take a 7 step drop when they are blitzing. That’s on him. Although we are definitely losing a lot of one on one battles, we are also getting beat mentally as well. Glennon isn’t half as cerebral as people say he is. A better QB will do better than Glennon. That’s at least a start. Glennon still won’t be a great QB if you gave him the Dallas OL. The Dallas OL took like 5 years to build. You wanna wait 5 years? I sure as hell don’t. The only way we are even competitive last year is with a better QB.

  137. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Perfect example of why Glennon isn’t this genius the mob wants to make him out to be: 2 games in a row he has been running towards the sideline (which takes like 12 seconds by the way), but instead of just throwing the ball away, he runs out of bounds and loses a yard. Yes it’s only a yard, but yards can be precious. Even Geno Smith is smarter than that. In the 12 seconds he’s running from the near hash to the sideline, doesn’t it ever cross his mind to throw it away? Apparently not.

  138. Andrew 1 Says:

    Which one would you rather have, a franchise RG or a franchise QB. Never EVER pass on the opportunity to draft a franchise QB. I said it before but it deserves repeating lol.

  139. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    We’ve had a pro bowl right guard in Davin Joseph. We’ve had a pro bowl LT in Donald Penn. How many playoff wins did that translate to?

  140. bucrightoff Says:

    Does anyone really believe Lovie is tying his future to Winston? Mariota without a doubt he would take, but Winston? Absolutely not happening. So even if you want a franchise QB drafted, it won’t be Crab Legs. No way Lovie is betting his future on that.

  141. Andrew 1 Says:

    No way of knowing that for sure, but if Mariota is his QB of choice then I’ll gladly accept that. So long as they have identified their long term solution at QB that is the most qualified to be one.

  142. bucfever40 Says:

    Well that settles it………it’s ALL Glennons fault,why? Because JOE said so!

  143. ryan Says:

    The morons,I mean Mobsters are getting defensive as they deep down begin to realize Glennon is a stiff.

    RIP Glennon Mob 2013-2014

  144. Piratic Says:

    Headline: “Playing Himself Out Of A Job”

    Tagline: “He’s rapidly playing himself out of starting job (sic) in 2015.”

    Bottom Line: The Buccaneers are rapidly playing themselves out of a fanbase in 2015, and beyond.

  145. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    Winston is not michael vick(a run 1st qb) he looks to pass 1st and run when needed and thats what you need. You need a qb that a defense has to game plan for. Because the threat of him running can help the running game, make the o-line look better than it is, and someone who won’t just focus on 1 wr. Once we get Winston our offense will be more potent and alot of pressure will be taken off the defense. Allowing them to concentrate on making key stops to put the O back on the field. The defensive learning curve will not be so much

  146. Touch_Down_Tampa_Bay Says:

    Trade Glennon and sign Connor Shaw.

  147. johnnytheMOON Says:

    No QB is going to do anything with this OLINE bench Glennon Glennon whatever you want to do but no QB will succeed when its 3rd and 9 every series .

  148. Ed Says:

    There is absolutely no pocket for a straight up passer like Glennon to throw out of. I will agree with all that he holds on to the ball too long.

    I do see that the left side of the Bucs offensive line getting beat straight up and by linebackers. That’s Glennon’s blind side and the pocket collapses too quickly. He can’t get off clean throws.

    There has been at 10 plays of 20 yards that Glennon has completed that been called back on holding penalties.

    He can be an efficient QB and is pretty good in the red zone, but the constant breakdown of pass protection, the holding penalties and the dropped passes are too much for a quarterback that isn’t good enough to make plays on his own.

    Glennon could be an adequate QB in a system that had teammates helping him out by blocking and holding on to the ball and not getting penalized.

    Then you have no running game and bad offensive coaching.

    Glennon deserves a lot of criticism but his teammates are playing worse than he is.

  149. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I agree with every word you just typed. Problem is, “adequate” just isn’t good enough. I don’t want adequate. I want great. I don’t care how many picks it takes, I want a great qb in Tampa.

  150. bucrightoff Says:

    Arizona doesn’t have a great QB. Best record in the NFL. Buffalo doesn’t have a great QB, Bills 5-3. Cincy doesn’t have a great QB, first place team. Great teams win in the NFL, not great QBs. Bucs are a horrible team right now, no QB would make any difference, or more to the point the only difference a QB would make is between 4-12 and 6-10.

  151. Mike Glennon Mob Says:

    Say what you will about Glennon but the fact remains that out of all the rookie QBs that have come out of the draft last year and this year Glennon has played better than all of them in far more difficult circumstances.

    Pinning your hopes on a QB in the draft is not the way to go. Hell, look at Cleveland. The way JoeManzielFan was talking you’d think he would have easily beat out Brian Hoyer.

  152. 1bucfan88 Says:

    Kinda tough to hang all this on Glennon. He’s playing with an offensive line that doesn’t know how to block ANYONE consistently, a defense that can’t play the scheme it’s been learning for months, and an offensive coordinator who didn’t exactly sign up for the gig. He’s absolutely been guilty of some bad decisions, but you can make Tom Brady and Peyton Manning look pretty average too when they don’t have time to set up and throw.

  153. Celly Says:

    SteveK Says:
    October 26th, 2014 at 8:55 pm


    We are going trade back and fix the trenches.

    Saddle up, partner.

    and I’m OK with that. So long as one of those picks is used on a DB as well. I’ve stated before that while Glennon isn’t issue #1, he is easily in the top 5.

    How can Glennon be properly evaluated without league average play in any of the areas: o-line pass or run blocking, RB Doug Martin, our sorry pass rush and toasted secondary?

    It’s tough when Glennon gives the Bucs the lead with 2:03 left, and the damn defense can’t make a stop, at home, against a rookie QB lol we effing duck something fierce.

    Hats off, Lovie, you’re making Schiano look like Ditka.

    Remember last year when Free had the team in position to win those 2 games last year, but the defense let him down at the end? The excuse then by everyone was “he should’ve played better in the fist part of the game to note even allow it to come to that.”

    If you’re going to use that excuse then, you have to use it now.

    BucFan20 Says:
    October 26th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    @ Celly
    You want to put the loss on Glennon who just drove down and gave the team the lead which should have had the team jacked up. Now the defense lets them drive down the field in 9 plays for the tie plus BANKS has the sure INT and blows that ! So ya. That’s on the defense. Want to play the other way. ASJ fumbled not Glennon. Was it a bad game yes. But when it COUNTED. WHO BLEW IT?

    Yes, I want to put the loss on Glennon. When you’re defense only allows 13 points in regulation, you expect your offense to find a way to put up more than that….

    …and guess who the current leader of this offense is?

    Buc1987 Says:
    October 26th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    This team has NEVER had a franchise QB.

    We had one recently but the old coach decided that he’d rather give his protoge half the offseason reps even though he had a franchise year the year prior.

    Yungry Says:
    October 26th, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    Realize we lost 3 Pro-Bowl Olineman and Zuttah from last year! This is on the management…

    A majority of the “fans” here wanted those guys gone anyway…

    Dave Says:
    October 26th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    At this point it doesn’t matter who you put at quarterback because this offensive line is the worst I’ve ever seen.

    But see, that’s where you’re wrong. With a QB that is mobile, you can make that bad offensive line look better.

  154. tiny tim Says:

    Glennon is a back up. Nothing wrong with that

  155. Vagabond Says:

    Sat at the game & focused on the receivers this time (for their brief appearances in the field). Terrible routes, minimal effort, zero speed. Reason Glennon holds the ball is because they take so long to get open and they aren’t putting a lot of effort into it once they get touched. So our QB (insert whatever name you like) has to avoid the rush (who get less of a check than I got coming in the stadium – maybe we should issue our line wands so they can check for weapons as the defense flies past them), and he has to locate an open receiver – who will likely only get open if the defender falls asleep and forgets where we’re at on the rhythm (run, run, pass, punt – run,run,pass, punt – repeat for 4 qtrs). Someone said the defense played well? WHAT? The only reason that wasn’t another blowout was because Bridgewater’s accuracy was poor. He probably was overexcited seeing his receivers so wide open! Check the film – we dodged 3 touchdowns by overthrows to wide open recievers who were behind our defense. I guess we’ve gone numb to the stupid penalties? They were there again! Discipline, pride, and effort are nowhere to be seen. Firing Lovie dooms us to more years of misery. Demand that he hire a dynamic OC, DC, & let’s not forget our fearsome special teams? Get somebody in here who will fire these Gus up and get them a successful scheme. THEN – we can talk QB. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Winston refused to come here – aka Manning, Jackson, etc. McCoy – the $90,000,000 man – 1 sack and 2 tackles against a line nearly as poor as ours – against David’s 14 tackles. And we’re worried about Glennon? Somebody beat me to it but Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers couldn’t win with this offense (even they need open recievers).