Fire Sale In Order
October 27th, 2014
Joe would hope the good folks at One Buc Palace would, through seven games, have an idea who is dog meat and who is prime rib. The eye in the sky doesn’t lie.
Since the Bucs are fighting for the top pick in the draft, and the team seems to get worse by the week (holding the Vikings to 13 points in regulation is nice, but this is the Vikings). Joe would hope the Bucs have determined by now who can play and who can’t; who they can develop and who they can’t.
Those with red Xs through their names should be shipped out at any draft price they can get from needy, desperate teams. Even ESPN’s Pat Yasinskas agrees.
It’s no longer about this season. It’s about next year and that’s why Jackson and/or Martin could be expendable. Both players should have decent trade value and it might be wise for the Bucs to start stocking up on draft picks for next season.
Trading Jackson might hurt in the short term because he’s the team’s best receiver. But, in the big picture, dealing him could make sense. Jackson is 31 and receivers generally start declining in their early 30s. The Bucs already have Jackson’s eventual replacement in rookie Mike Evans. Jackson also is making $10 million a year and that money could be used toward a number of other areas.
Right now it is all about the draft. Anyone who dreams of a playoff berth really needs to lay off the sauce.
Joe frankly doesn’t buy there is a trade market for Doug Martin. Let’s think about this: Why would a team pick up Martin’s salary with his meager results when you can pull a guy off the street for next to nothing who can run for 2.9 yards a carry?
Trading Vincent Jackson is easier because he is still productive. Martin is no longer productive — yet again yesterday he had running space just to his right where he would have gotten to the third level, but instead decided to put his head down and try to bowl over a linebacker. It is fair to ask if Martin will ever get it back?
October 27th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Could we get a conditional 7th round pick for Lovie???
October 27th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
Agreed. Sell!!! Future is in the draft. Not some other teams players
October 27th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
Vjax is avg 4 catches for 51 yards per game and .30 TD per game or 1 every 3 games. If that productive I’ll take it.
Vjax for lynch
Mccown for Jared Allen.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Doug Martin didn’t just forget how to run the ball, If they trade him he’ll instantly turn into 1,000 yard rusher for his new team.
The problem is, The Bucs don’t believe in blocking the opposition.
Vincent Jackson deserves to be traded to a winner, His prime will be long gone before this team is ready to win!
October 27th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
I’ll take a Klondike bar for Collins.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
Another J
Truth!
October 27th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
Lovie looks like an older Raheem Morris with less coaching skills. Schianos after party was off the chain last night. Man that guy sure knows how to throw a party.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:07 pm
Joe says:
“Jackson is 31 and receivers generally start declining in their early 30s.”
Joey Galloway was having 1,000 yard seasons here until he was 37 years old.
Look at Steve Smith. 35 years old and having a great season so far.
Reggie Wayne is 35 as well; he’s still pretty serviceable for the Colts.
I always think it’s funny how when a player reaches “30”, everybody just assumes they’re going to be on the decline soon. Some guys decline in their early 30s, some don’t! Jackson could still play for 4 or 5 more seasons. He’s showed no signs of slowing down and has proven to be pretty durable during his whole career.
And Joe, who knows if Mike Evans is going to pan out or not? Jackson is our only proven receiver (a damn good one) at the moment and trading him for some stupid pick wouldn’t help us (short term) and probably not even the long term. Whatever pick we MAY get for him, it’s pretty unlikely we’ll select someone that’s as productive as Jackson with that pick.
It’s already bad enough they gave away Williams for nothing and it would be much worse if they unloaded a guy who’s our only real downfield threat at the moment.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
i agree time for a fire sale!
today I sold my NFL package – LOL, seriously.
the problem is lovie has proven to be a horrible evaluator of talent and licht has proven to be a horrible negotiator in trades.
so we will end up with the short end of the stick on the trades and horrible talent.
this team has been set back farther this year than Schiano or Raheem ever did. it’s complete chaos and no end in sight. I hope I am wrong, but I have never seen a group of coaches (1st and foremost) and players (mainly based on futility because of coaching and gameplanning) just mailing it in from week to week.
they need to sell the team while it may have value. it’s that bad.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
@Another J
Common sense doesn’t play well on this site. I’m with you but the way it works here is Doug Martin forgot how to run and it has nothing to do with the line, we have a pedestrian quarterback and the reason he can’t do anything has evening to do with the line.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
the glazers need to swallow their pride and beg chucky to come back, giving him complete control of EVERYTHING!
remember those days when we were always in the hunt!
October 27th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
“Joe would hope the Bucs have determined by now who can play and who can’t; who they can develop and who they can’t.”
Kind of like how they determined that last year’s O-line needed an overhaul and they shipped off 3 starters (and lost Carl Nicks’ Big Toe), only to replace them with the current crop of turnstiles who are actively trying to get Mike Glennon killed?
October 27th, 2014 at 3:24 pm
Amari Cooper?
October 27th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
Connor Says:
October 27th, 2014 at 3:07 pm
“Whatever pick we MAY get for him, it’s pretty unlikely we’ll select someone that’s as productive as Jackson with that pick.”
Exactly. It’s just a Stupid idea period. A “Fire Sale” by definition is selling something that still has value for dirt cheap. Getting rid of your best offensive weapon for a 4th or 5th round pick would be stupid stupid stupid. The production we will get out of VJay over the next 2 years will almost certainly be 10X more than anyone we draft with a 3rd day selection. He may be slightly over priced moving forward but at least he earns his paycheck week in and week out unlike any other FA we have (aside from Verner maybe) – and its good for Evans to have his influence around for another year or 2 as well. Don’t sell!
October 27th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
VJax
October 27th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
On a team this horrid I can think of only two untouchables…L.D. and GMC.
I like Evans and ASF so I wouldn’t shop them. Who else is untouchable.
And so let’s have some fun. Rumors had it that some teams even inquired about MG8. What would it take for you guys to trade MG8?
Replace the 3rd round pick? A lower round? What’s the bottom offer you would accept?
Everybody knows we need a QB so it’s not like telegraphing our draft need early would be a disaster.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
We need to dump Doms fat contract players, namely Dashon Goldson. This team sucks and need improvement ON EVERY LEVEL.
Biggest focus needs to be on the following: QB, OL, DE, SS/FS, MLB.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
Vincent Jackson
• To Seattle for 2nd Rounder
Doug Martin
• To San Diego for 3rd Rounder
Dashon Goldson
• To Philly for DT Fletcher Cox
October 27th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
I dont know how we are defining productivity around here but Jackson hasn’t been any more productive than Martin this year. They’ve both been terrible. Yes, Jackson had Glennon throwing passes at his shoes and into the stands…but Martin has NO blocking and NO threat of a passing game to keep defenses honest. I would think Martin would have an equal market because he has a much cheaper contract and he’s young.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
VJax is the only player of value on the Bucs. If you can’t get at least a 3rd don’t even bother. Trading for the sake of trading is what no good franchises do.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
If L&L plan to draft a quarterback then trading V-Jax doesn’t make sense. Give your new QB the most weapons at his disposal. The McCoy signing did not make any sense. The defense needs revamping and now they have a huge contract with one player who is NOT named J.J. Watt.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
Our 1st trade should be for a new talent evaluator, The one we have now is defective.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Funny how being mediocre is productive here in Tampa. Maybe one day mediocre will bot be a buccaneer trademark for a good player.
JJ Watt would be leading the buccaneers in TDs……
October 27th, 2014 at 3:48 pm
At this point a 5th rounder is sounding good for Martin.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:56 pm
Picking the right players has Benn (oops) a problem.
Developing players has been a problem,
Coaching players has been a problem.
Said earlier, for years the Bucs have been sending away players that prosper elsewhere.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
J and Barker – A new talent evaluator is the first need. Agreed.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
I like Martin and VJax, so hopefully they get to play for a real team soon. It will be nice to see them shine again.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
Something tells me that the Bucs hand-deliver Jackson to the Pats…Perhaps for the rights to Teddy Bruschi.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
Bring Richie in to play RG !!!
October 27th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
So basically our first round of this last draft made us no better. I still hate that pick, even though Evans has talent.
I’d rather have VJax-Mike Williams-and a #7 pick, instead of Evans-Murphy-4th rd pick for Jackson.
Another personnel blunder for L&L.
I like Lovie’s character, but really this is looking like Sam Wyche Part Deux. And at least Wyche drafted Sapp, Lynch and Brooks.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
If the majority of students in a classroom are failing, it isn’t because the students are all ignorant… They are their to be taught and trained…. If they are not being taught it is because the teacher is HORRIBLE!
Lovie {the so-called Defense expert} has a putrid defense, 1 of the worst… Not because of lack in the players talents but because of bad coaching…. His inabilities are wrecking this team… He has made this team much worse than it already was…
October 27th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
yeah !!! Tye
October 27th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Horrible offseason though Joe – with so many acquired draft picks, can we really trust the guys making the decisions to draft the team of the future
October 27th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
as long as we don’t get someone in return that’s broken, fat or old…I’m down for anything….
October 27th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Some team might give up a conditional 6th round pick for Glennon.. Maybe the jets?
October 27th, 2014 at 7:20 pm
Keep Glennon,
Bring in two more quarterbacks. Don’t designate a starter until the and of camp next season. Roll with 3 quarterbacks, until we’ve got a sure fire #1.
MAKE EVERYONE PLAY FOR A STARTING SPOT.
NO MATTER DRAFT OR FINANCIAL STATUS..
U PLAY GOOD-U START…..U DON”T …U WON”T
THATS REAL COMPETITION…
THATS HOW U BUILD A TOUGH-COMPETITIVE TEAM
October 27th, 2014 at 7:52 pm
They arent smart enough to trade anybody.
Mathematically they arent out of the playoffs and they’re scared to have to go in front of ownership and tell them that we cant win with this team, since im sure in order to get the job in the first place they had to assure ownership that this team was ready to win now, otherwise what was the point of bringing in Mccown. The fact that they were so confident in what they had tells me all I need to know about Lovie and company.
This team is two good drafts away from being good in four or five years. Dominik buried us bad with his draft gambles.
October 27th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Dominik and Light/Lovie have both had dubious FA acquisitions. Time to trade as many players as possible that won’t be part of the future and get whatever draft picks in exchange as well as try to dump as much overpaid salaries. Draft QB, Oline and Dline and turn Barron into a LB.
October 27th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
If you think dom was bad you should go back and look at some of Lovies draft picks.
October 28th, 2014 at 10:06 am
BamBamBuc Says:
October 27th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Some team might give up a conditional 6th round pick for Glennon.. Maybe the jets?
Dude are you serious? Compared to the crap play from Geno Smith Glennon would probably get at least a third round pick. Some of you guys couldn’t wait to get Schiano out of here and thought the coach was the problem…look how that’s wirking out. Same thing with some of this fanbase wanting to oust Glennon. I’m telling you right now this franchise will be making a mistake if they dump Glennon for anything less than a 2nd round pick. He had a bad game last week, but on the 4 game 2014 sample he has played better than all the other QB’s drafted last year and the ones drafted this year.
October 28th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
With schiano, it was time 2 go . He is still a good coach just not Buc material. Lovie is definitely not coach of the year, but u give the guy same amount of time as the previous coach or more. Hell, T Dungy started 0-5 his first season. His first 2 seasons were losing season. Can we as Buc Fans agree that dungy was the best coach we had. It also took him a couple of seasons in Indy with the great P Manning. Wake up people it’s the NFL , if it were easy to become a winning team everybody would be 1. Just look, Pete Carroll, the harbaugh boys, tomlin of Pittsburgh. All these coaches in recent years have made it to to the SB . All also have at least 1 HOF on those teams , & can’t neither team get back right now. Because its Hard, & all of those teams were better than Tampa , the same year those great coaches took over , they were already better than tampa is & was the last 5 seasons .