Is Lovie Fingering Vincent Jackson?
September 19th, 2014
Lovie Smith had an interesting comment this afternoon at One Buc Palace.
The subject of Josh McCown’s future came up and Lovie offered a unique defense of his hand-picked turnover machine quarterback.
Today, Lovie noted that those four McCown interceptions, “all of those weren’t even his, to be truthful.”
Wow.
Well, surely the two gruesome picks against Carolina and the ultra-ugly one against St. Louis were on McCown. (Joe just went to a film review.) But what about last night? It sure appeared to be a weak effort to the ball by Vincent Jackson, though McCown stared down the receiver and opened himself up for the pick.
Joe suspects Lovie is fingering Jackson versus McCown. Here’s the video evidence. And, of course, there’s always a chance Jackson was supposed to run that route closer to the first-down marker, versus the few-yards-beyond position he was in. You decide.
(You can listen to Lovie’s full audio this afternoon below.)
September 19th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
and the $hit gets deeper.
WTF is lovie thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this guys is in a tailspin as bad as the team. $hit rolls downhill ya know.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
^^
You are an idiot
September 19th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
McCown stared that pass down bad last night. That’s why he was picked off.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Free Glennon!
September 19th, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Here Lovie..this is called a mirror…point your finger…
September 19th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
When Lovie refuses to throw down field or take a shot in the endzone, I can understand why Jackson may take a play off.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
I don’t blame V-Jax for that pick at all. When a rookie CB can read a QBs eyes like that…shameful for a 12 year vet. I will say though that sometimes Jackson seems to be going through the motions i.e. the near pick later in the game that was thrown high. He never even reacted to the ball. And then there are the drops. Still in his corner but damn it man.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Rob Chudzinski
Marcus Mariota (Jameis “full of shhh” Winston can kiss my you know what)
September 19th, 2014 at 4:16 pm
I thought this was a family friendly website, Joe! 😛
September 19th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
and i guess vjax was supposed to run his rout at the 3 yards line as opposed to for a TD on that INT against st louis.
what sense would that make?
and jbuc-your and idiot. nahnahnahnah
September 19th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
This guy is starting to become comical. Firing Gruden was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made. I’d give anything for 9-7 every year and an occasional division title.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
OMG, Lovie is so much in Denial of his handpicked loser McClown, now he goes after our star receiver.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
Joe seriously this isn’t proof it’s actually sad. 3 games into the season were fingering one of the best free agents we’ve brought in ever…… I’ll support v jack for one reason because if you notice LOVIE ISN’T CALLING OUT HIS HANDPICKED GUYS. It’s like schiano being a head coach for the bucs and talking about what he did at Rutgers. Dude has nothing but excuses. He’s standing there talking about him being here in the 90’s hello the league is a little different. Why do we keep hiring coaches that are in denial. A team scored 56 points for you put any points on the board a hate this dude, that’s a college football score
September 19th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Please, Lovie, tell Tedford to go home and heal, finish out the season and retire.
Us fans will be here long, long after you.
Show us some respect
September 19th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Please, Lovie, tell Tedford to go home and heal, finish out the season and retire.
Us fans will be here long, long after you.
Show us some respect
September 19th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
Jackson is 6’5″ – 240 pounds…there is absolutely no excuse to let a little DB come and take that ball away. Stared him down or not, you gotta use that size to box out the DB and make the play.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Of course Lovie will defend his hand picked qb. McClown is useless and should be benched so we can at least see what we have in Glennon and whether or not we need to draft a qb with the number 1 overall pick next year. And as far as our defense goes, the Tampa 2 scheme is old and outdated and any good OC knows how to exploit it, just look at Monte Kiffin in Dallas last year, they had the worst defense in history using the Tampa 2 scheme.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
dude has been snarky from day 1…i dont see any reason to waste your time off watching this gutless team
September 19th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
Lovie is a stubborn as they come. Hes living in the past. Nothing will change around here until best gone. It really sucks being a Bucs fan.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:36 pm
None of the team veterans are stepping up. Vjax and his ongoing drops is not good enough. However, I believe the main issues lie with schemes and play calling. This season is over, time to trade vjax for a 3/4th round pick to a team that is ready to win now. IMO he’s overrated
September 19th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
Chances are he was supposed to be closer in. Don’t want to get too far down the field after all. That’s a given.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
32 out of 32….let L&L enjoy the rest of their lives outside the NFL…UNACCEPTABLE….in every manner…fire all non players…and let the 53 + practice squad finish the season calling plays !…kinda like when Ted Turner said he was going to run the Braves….SCRAPE this staff top to bottom off the pay roll !!!!
September 19th, 2014 at 4:40 pm
VJax is gone next year. He had a solid year last year, but had his share of drops that drove me nuts. He was awesome 2 years ago with Freeman. But this year, he is over payed and irrelevant. Sucks cause I do like him and even bought his jersey.
Joe-You can count me as one of the fans that have officially checked out. There are far too many beautiful fall Sundays to waste on this pathetic team. When I am home on Sundays, I’ll be tuning into the RedZone and routing for my fantasy team, which has no Bucs on it thank god! They will not drain anymore emotion, money, or time out of me this season. I may stop by your corner of the interwebs around the FA dinner bell and for the draft. Until then, see you next season fellow JoeBucs fans!
I’m out…
September 19th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
I think Lovie and McClown have been fingering each other…cause they keep coming back for more…
September 19th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
Lovie is a douche, one of those blind cloud nine religious freaks, god will fix the problem blah blah blah have faith. Should’ve listened to the Chicago journalists/fans when bucs hired him.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Lovie, what would you like to say to the fans?
September 19th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
i’m staying for now, mainly for the comedy of it all. I have never seen a team this bad, and the coaching staff is even worse.
the spin machine, the lapdogs, the lies, the inequality in benching players/discipline….
it’s just too damn funny right now, but then again I lost 90% hope after the st louis game. last night just made it funny. like a trainwreck you can’t look away from.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Jim leavitts is coaching linebackers in SF. Just saying….
September 19th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Has anyone noticed that Atlanta was playing cover 2 when they made the pick. the problem is the bucs players don’t know how to play zone coverage, they couldn’t last year either. They just seem to stand in one spot and let the wo’s go by without anyone picking them up. Coach’em up if the coaches know how.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
Lovie, why didn’t you double Julio jones w no roddy white on the field?
September 19th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
If I was in charge…I won’t cut one single starter….I would play them all….let them document their every effort….this is not about the franchise/a franchise….THIS is about YOU…PLAY !…the next 13 game….it will …errr.you will be on film for all to see…but first…GET RID of the complete on field staff….NOW….because the on field talent has all ready VOTED !!!
September 19th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
@brian – the safety was in zone. Jackson can’t box out a DB that is free to roam and read the QB. When the ball was thrown the DB had already broken underneath the route VJax didn’t even have a chance to box him out. That pick was on McCown.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
That ball should have been thrown a lot sooner and a little behind Jackson, Mc Cown does that often, like Dilfer used to. Glennon is much better with timing and accuracy. Jackson does drop some but I’ll take him any day, he also makes some great catches too, leave him alone.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
Looks like Lovie refuses to be proven wrong on his QB choice. Seems McCown to start at Pittsburgh if able. This is Lovie’s major acquisition and his reputation rides on his success. I guess it’s a good gig if you can get it, NFL QB backed by your coach no matter the outcome of your execution.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
RastaMon Says:
September 19th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
I think Lovie and McClown have been fingering each other…cause they keep coming back for more…
Now that was freakin hilarious. Lol.
September 19th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
Chris Landry said it best – it will be 2 seasons before the roster is ready and the QBs are bad (BOTH) are terrible!
September 19th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
Enough of this fool.
September 19th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
I hope coach Smith isnt fingering Vjax. But what two men do in the privacy of there home is their business. Hahaha
September 19th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
Joe, I must applaud you for continuing to bring us Bucs news. I’m surprised you didn’t drown yourself in the Georgia Aquarium after having to watch that travesty in person last night. 🙂
September 19th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
I have fingered Jackson for his drops,but this is on the QB.Lovie doesn’t motivate anybody,time has passed him by.Please resign before you embarrass yourself and the organization any more.
September 19th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
Haven’t seen a team this bad before? Do you not remember last season? If we get to 0-8 or worse then okay… I’d say last year was worse
Where were all these Schiano supporters before this season started??? I only saw a few around here and now they are sprouting up like weeds all over the place…. The Gruden nostalgia fans are probably the best… The guy hasn’t coached a lick of football since he was fired by us but yet we have fans that want him back… I’m not saying he couldn’t cut it anymore just kinda hard after you take that much time off… Maybe Charlie Garner and Jeff Garcia will come out of retirement as well lol
September 19th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
@paul
I have been saying that for years and is why I am not a fan of dungey and his passionless tree of lemmings…be careful those people freak out when you hold a mirror to them
September 19th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
That has to be some of the dumbest sh*t I’ve ever heard a coach say. Right up there with, “we didn’t want to score there.”
September 19th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
morgan 1672: now that’s just funny 🙂
September 19th, 2014 at 5:48 pm
Vjax want’s out, he is a genius, Jax throw your matress in the front yard..
September 19th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
“For the first pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select, Leonard Williams, DT USC”
To Lovie Smith:
Why draft a QB when you have Josh McCown?
September 19th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
mattress^^
September 19th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Going through the roster, the Bucs need a new QB, Slot WR, Tackle, Guard maybe Center. A Pass Rushing DE, Safety, #2 Corner, maybe a strong side LB, and if we don’t sign or franchise McCoy make sure to add a #3 technique under tackle to the list. Other than that we are pretty solid.
September 19th, 2014 at 6:37 pm
vjax sucks and to old get rid of him
September 19th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
Vincent Jackson finds it pleasurable when Lovie fingers him
September 19th, 2014 at 7:21 pm
Lovie’s done a helluva lot more than finger the Bucs fan base. He’s done a different F word to us.
September 19th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
I’m starting to hate that he’s our coach.
September 19th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
I was at the game, and just so happened to be watching Jackson on the play. He was literally triple covered, and McCown never took his eyes off him. It was so bad, even Josh Freeman was on his couch yelling for McCown to look off the safety. Vincent ate up a triple team, someone else had to be running wide open, but McCown is allergic to seeing the while field. That was not a lack of effort on Jackson, it was a lack of skill by McCown.
September 19th, 2014 at 8:01 pm
A major problem for this team is all the players at positions on this team that really matter are transplants who signed with the highest bidder. They aren’t here working for a big contract and didnt grow up in a system with the guys around them. They are mercenaries.
We got our asses kicked last night by a home grown team that cares about one another. Next year Jackson will be gone. Goldson will be gone. McCoy will probably choose to take his talents elsewhere. We will be starting from square one again and it will likely take two or three good drafts to get us back on track, and then Lovie will bore them to death with his outdated schemes and we will start this cycle again when he’s fired.
September 19th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
If a coach needs to throw a player, it should be ‘off the team’, not ‘under a bus’.
I doubt if the Glazers will entertain the idea of letting Lovie go before the end of the season. It would not be in their best (financial) interest and it certainly wouldn’t be good for the franchise’s future. To say that the first three games have been a disappointment, would be an understatement of epic proportions. But since we (Buc fans) are stuck with this, let’s use the next 13 games to see who we think should stay and who should find work elsewhere.
Lovie gutted the team, but it seems as if there is still room, on the bus, for more players needing a one-way ticket… somewhere else. When the off season begins, on Dec 29th, the Bucs (IMO) need to look at the following…
First, McCown has a deep hole to climb out of. It would take a true miracle for him to rebound from this ugly start. And I know, “Past performance is no indication of future…” Not buying it. It would be nice if Glennon got, at least, eight starts so we can see if the 2015 first round pick needs to be a QB. If Glennon isn’t the ‘QB of the Future’, then one needs to be obtained.
Second, Vincent Jackson had too many drops last year for the kind of money he makes. This year he seems to be worse.
Third, the Bucs REALLY need to draft a safety. The strong safety position seems to be barren. Not to be confused with Barron. Oh, wait, it’s the same thing.
Fourth, the Bucs need another pass rusher. But this time, a REAL one.
Fifth, SIGN McCOY AND DAVID!
I’ve got 13 more games to add to the list. Any help would be welcome.
September 19th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
Hey Lovie, that sound you hear when McCowan starts, that’s millions of Bucs fans crying in pain and suddenly silenced….when they change the channel
September 19th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
What a spineless buffoon.
September 19th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Like I said, I don’t find it surprising that Jackson has a lot of drops. He almost never gets an accurate pass. His big drop last night was bad, but the ball was thrown behind him. He’s still got to make it, but if every throw is inaccurate, you have to expect more drops. You can’t expect any WR to make tough catch after tough catch without any drops. You go ahead and watch all the throws he’s had this year and let me know how many were truly accurate throws. Keep in mind, there’s a difference between being catchable and accurate. Jackson is so big, almost everything in the field of play is catchable for him. Jackson is far from being the reason we are playing so poorly, and I have never seen anything to lead me to believe his heart is not with this team. He’s never made even a controversial comment to anyone. He’s excellent in the community, in particular to the military. He’s had 2 great seasons with crap QB play (Imagine if we actually had a good QB what his numbers would be). He’s playing in an absolutely dreadful offense that doesn’t match his skill set (nor does it match Evans skill set), and has horrendous QB play. I’m sure he’s frustrated as hell, as are all of us. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t care.
September 19th, 2014 at 9:22 pm
Hawk Says:
September 19th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
“I’ve got 13 more games to add to the list. Any help would be welcome.”
Yes grrrrrrrrrreat idea and then we can just take all the stuff we compiled together and post it on JBF and then that’s just going to fix everything!
Who’s with us?
J/K
September 19th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
So Lovie wont admit he was wrong about McCown and just blames everyone else for all the wrong reasons…SCREW YOU LOVIE! MCCOWN SUCKS AND TO SAY OTHERWISE MAKES YOU A GUTLESS SPINLESS PIECE OF SPIT! HOW DARE YOU LET YOUR STUPID PRIDE GET IN THE WAY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TEAM I LOVE THAT REPRESENTS THE AREA I WAS BORN AND FREAKING RAISED! YOU ARE TRASH LOVIE!
September 19th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Unlike most of you, I haven’t given up on Lovie. It’s only been 3 games, and we should be 2-1 anyway. Even if we got blown out in all 3, it’s too early. I didn’t give up on Raheem after 3, nor did I give up on Schiano. There’s a lot of season left, and I obviously underestimated how long it was going to take to grasp the new system. All that being said, Lovie better tread lightly when it comes to throwing guys under the bus like this. I’m pretty sure most guys can take being called out in the privacy of the meeting rooms, but calling them out in front of the world is a different story. He just better be careful, because if he’s not, this could even get worse.
September 19th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
what he said
September 19th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
I’m far from a Glennon guy, but McCown sucks. He’s terrible through 3 games, and he wasn’t that great in the preseason. At least Glennon can see the field if you give him time, and he isn’t scared to throw the ball down the field (if only he could throw it accurately). McCown is missing guys running wide open. I can see it clear as day, but McCown can’t. That’s pretty sad.
September 19th, 2014 at 10:44 pm
If I start an online petition to hire Gruden back would that make a statement ownership?? Would anyone hear sign and write a brief statement why you want home back lol
September 19th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
McCown IS OUT!
September 19th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
@ Hawaiian Buc
I apologize (to Jackson) if I made it sound like he didn’t care. You are right that he has been a model citizen, but a premier WR (which is how he’s being paid) is supposed to catch ‘catchable’ passes. *If* Lovie makes it to year two AND there isn’t stability on offense, Jackson’s attitude (vocal or not), will only get worse. Can we blame him? His next contract is likely his last. Why would he want to stay here?
@ Buc1987
Re-read my post. I didn’t say that ANYTHING was going to fix this mess. I was just giving us something constructive/fun(?) to do while we anguish in pain. 🙂
BTW, I don’t believe that Lovie is clinging to McCown because of pride. If anything, it’s because he doesn’t want to throw Glennon into this when a veteran can/should be able to handle it better.
Lovie brought McCown in to be the ‘leader’, and McCown accepted the job. ANYONE can lead when things are going good. Let’s see how McCown leads during trouble. It is possible that his ‘leadership’ can help more than his quarterbacking. Time will tell.
September 19th, 2014 at 11:23 pm
Trade them all please rebuld… the jaguars are better off then us right now!
September 19th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
I call fahrvergnugen on that one.
September 20th, 2014 at 12:19 am
A date give away w a hooters calander girl for the best post…
September 20th, 2014 at 6:42 am
I dont think vincent jacksons heart is in being a slot reciever or catching balls over the middle. hence the drops.He wants to be downfield threat.
September 20th, 2014 at 7:18 am
lovie needs to find way to pressure quarterback. We have been sliced and diced for three weeks.d line was handled by atlanta o line.more blitzes from the first touchdown on to put ryan on his back and break his rythm and concentration. try mark barron in the box and as a blitzer,maybe even vernor
change defense to utilize players skillset.if its not cover 2 then so be it.send
linebackers on blitzes. opposing qb’s are getting way too time to pick us apart
September 20th, 2014 at 10:36 am
Who comes up with this title??? Did anyone proof this before published? Lmao hilarious
You might want to look up the meaning of “fingering.” –Joe
September 20th, 2014 at 10:40 am
The Glazers brought this on themselves. How in the world do you fire Gruden after a 9-7 season and winning our only super bowl. He must have pissed off the owners somehow.
September 20th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
Dashon Goldson runs a 4.65.
Mark Barron runs a 4.7.
Leonard Johnson runs a 4.6.
Banks runs a 4.6.
Verner runs a 4.5 (on a good day).
The Tampa 2 needs SPEED.
Of which, we have NONE in our secondary.
Let the rebuilding begin.
Goldson and Barron are the slowest safety combo in the NFL!
Carolina is starting Mccoud who was cut byt he Falcons and Roman Harper, who was cut by the Saints.
They are minimum, vet contracts,
And they are way better than our two, expensive, slow safeties!
September 20th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
I think the Joes have fingered Steve Duemig.
September 20th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
Easy to blame Vjax who is dropping way too many. Mike Evans looks scared to take a hit and still out performs our high paid #1 receiver