Daniel Jeremiah Talks To Joe

August 4th, 2014
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NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah had a sitdown with Joe.

Last week there were several visitors to One Buc Palace to watch Bucs training camp. Warren Sapp and Peter King were a couple of guests. Another was Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network. Before getting a sweet TV gig, Jeremiah logged time in the NFL as a scout with the Eagles, Browns and Crows, where he studied under one of the game’s best football minds, general manager Ozzie Newsome.

Jeremiah was kind enough to give Joe a sitdown to talk all things Bucs. Among the many subjects Jeremiah discussed, was his feeling that Bucs backup quarterback Mike Glennon was hung out to dry last year.

JoeBucsFan: Regarding Josh McCown, the NFL’s ditches are littered with quarterbacks who had a few good games as backups – Matt Flynn, Rob Johnson, Scott Mitchell – why should McCown be different?

Daniel Jeremiah: Well, I think it wasn’t one or two games like some of those guys have had. This wasn’t preseason football. This was regular season action. It was a good stretch and he was consistent through it. You have a chance to watch him out here and visit with him, he does a good job of explaining why it’s going to be different. He is in that perfect situation where now he has the tools and the experience has come together. And the third thing is opportunity. So, I think he has all of those things married up at the right time. With the weapons [McCown] has around him, very similar to what he had in Chicago, he is set up for success.

Joe: Jeff Tedford’s offense is a big unknown…

Jeremiah: Yeah, I think it’s evolving.

Joe: You know, that’s a good point. Is Tedford, and maybe Lovie Smith, trying to mask [Chicago Bears coach] Marc Trestman’s offense? Because, obviously, that is where McCown had most of his success, in Trestman’s offense.

Jeremiah: I think you are going to see a lot of elements of that. I think when you have a quarterback that is as experienced, though maybe not as much game experience, but as much NFL experience as Josh McCown has, and you have a first-year NFL coordinator after a long time in the college game, I would expect Josh to have more of an imprint or an impact into what they are going to do scheme-wise and what he is comfortable with and work closely together with Tedford. When you look at it from that standpoint, I would say, “Yeah. They are going to do a lot of things that Chicago did,” with some of Jeff Tedford’s own wrinkles. And [Trestman] has been an outstanding offensive coach for a long period of time. But this is a different level, a different game. So I think the important thing is those two guys working together.

Joe: So the Bucs talking about the “Dunkaneers” and wanting to just throw the ball up for the big receivers to go get is an example?

Jeremiah: Exactly. It’s interesting. With some quarterbacks, they have size at receiver but they don’t know how to play with it. McCown does. You look at how he keeps the ball. He knows how to throw the ball high. If you have a 6-5 receiver who can jump and has that kind of wingspan, you don’t need to put the ball on his numbers all of the time. He lets his receivers go get it. He has a real comfort zone. The last two days in practice, down in the red zone, putting that ball up and letting those guys go get it. That’s the type of player [McCown] is comfortable with and they have gone out and got him the same thing.

Joe: Mike Evans, a rookie. What would you consider a good season for him?

Jeremiah: Yeah, rookies and specifically rookie receivers, you don’t want to put expectations on them too high. To me, I would focus less on the catches and more on just having the big play abilities: touchdowns and big plays down the field. If you can have a year where he catches seven touchdowns, which I think is very possible, I think that is a good year. A good start for him. Have some big plays down the field where he can stretch the field. The underrated aspect of his game is what he does after the catch. For a big guy, he is able to create after the catch. So, having impact plays more so than the need to catch 75 balls – I don’t think you want to put that expectation on him.

Joe: To emphasize your point about rookies learning, earlier in training camp Evans went against Alterraun Verner one-on-one and Evans said he tried every move he knew and couldn’t shake him.

Jeremiah: Yeah, he’s more comfortable with, from watching him in college, really quick stuff underneath or stuff where he is running away. You are talking about slants and posts. Stuff where he has vertical takeoffs. Stuff where he is comfortable right now. What he needs to work on now is when he is running deep routes or deep curls, or when he is running deep comebacks, for such a big guy, it is so difficult for them to be going full-speed in and out of their break, efficiently. And that’s what Vincent Jackson does very well for a guy who is the identical size. That’s why [Tampa Bay] is the perfect spot for Mike Evans. He can learn and watch from Vincent Jackson every single day. The areas he needs to improve are also the same areas where Vincent Jackson has made that adjustment.

Joe: It is very early. Only one week into training camp. It’s what the stat geeks would call a “small sample size.” But Austin Seferian-Jenkins, the big athlete he is. What are your impressions?

Jeremiah: Well, you know, first of all, he has the frame of an NFL body at that position. So, that stands out. In some of the run stuff I saw him in I thought he competed really well. He did a solid job there. I didn’t get to see a lot of stuff vertically down the field. But I have studied him enough to know that is part of his game. He’s got that ability. But the tricky part for him will be navigating through that depth chart [with the Bucs] which is pretty loaded at that position. Tim Wright is a pretty good player and I don’t know how many people on a national scale know who he is. He is a good football player. So they have some depth there. He will find his role, but you know, look: I think the expectations for him is he will be an in-line guy, someone that is going to help you in the red zone. He’s going to be part of “Dunkaneers” group we talked about, to give them more size across the board. With what [the Bucs] already have at that position, I don’t know that you need a lot from him.

Joe: On guard play, Warren Sapp said this the other day when he was here, essentially, guard play is so down now in the NFL that the Seahawks converted a defensive end who never blocked in his life into a guard and won a Super Bowl. Has the mentality in the NFL changed where it is like, “Hey, if we can have a guy like Carl Nicks, OK, but it’s not a necessity?”

Jeremiah: Well, we have seen guards over the past few years get paid, handsomely. Andy Levitre, for example. Obviously, you know about Carl Nicks getting a ton of money. There have been a few others I am leaving out right now that over the last five or six years, I think guards have become a little more valuable. Start with Drew Brees. You have some shorter quarterbacks – the college game is creating more undersized quarterbacks – so where tackle play used to be the premium, for a while there, OK, if you are stout upfront in your interior three, your quarterback has a clean pocket to move up and navigate and to be able to see. If he gets edge pressure, then it is up to the quarterback to be able to step up and be able to take care of himself. As a quarterback, if you can’t take care of pressure, you will have it right in your lap. I know what Warren is saying, especially with Seattle. Those guards are not very inspiring. But I still think they are important with that interior play. And I think [guard play] is a key thing for [the Bucs] offense. They have to get that shored up. If you are going to have a hole on your team, if your guards are the only area you have to worry about, you are going to feel really, really good about your team. And usually in the draft, you can find good guards in the third, fourth and fifth rounds. [Bucs fifth round pick] Kadeem Edwards is very athletic. He can play tackle and you can kick him inside to guard. To me, it is just getting used to things happening quicker when you move inside. But he is quick and athletic and has good feet. He has a strong base. It’s a big jump up from Tennessee State. I think [the Bucs] hope he can step up and be that guy. Another thing is, you can’t fill up all the holes in the boat in one year. The Bucs were aggressive in pursuing defensive ends and cornerback position and tight end position. They addressed a lot of positions and didn’t really get to the guard play except for Kadeem Edwards. He can pass block. During my training camp tour I am able to talk to offensive line coaches and one I spoke with, we talked about how important it is for a guard to move people off of the line in pass blocking and said, “Hey, I am going to be in short-yardage, third-and-one or fourth-and-one, maybe 25 times during the season. We are going to throw the ball 600 times. I want a guard that can pass protect. That is the most important thing. And Kadeem Edwards can do that. He has good feet. He will develop a little more power.

Joe: Maybe that’s why the Bucs are not panicking with the Carl Nicks issue, because they think Edwards can fill the void and develop into a decent pass blocker?

Jeremiah: Yep. They can make it work. That is absolutely true.

Joe: Mike Glennon. There are some people [at One Buc Palace] that said once the new regime got to know him, once they saw his practice habits and his intangibles, that some here believe Glennon’s ceiling may be Joe Flacco. When I was told this, the same source said, “If you need a quarterback, who would pass on Joe Flacco?” What is your take on that?

Jeremiah: I studied both coming out of college. I liked Flacco better. I think arm-strength wise, Glennon has a pretty good arm; Flacco has a special arm. So, I don’t think they are the same when you talk about that. Obviously, they are both 6-6 big, long-armed guys so I get the comparison. For me, just watching the past couple of days, I think [Glennon] throws the ball well. He throws a beautiful ball. I like that. To me, I want to see him make and go through his progressions a little bit quicker. That is the difference between McCown and Glennon, being able to process information and things and that will come with experience. He is only 25-years old. He is still a young kid. We are talking toughness and an arm enough to do anything you need to do, that’s a pretty good place to start from and if you talk to people in the organization, they love him. I don’t know if he has the same ceiling as Joe because Joe has that rare arm strength.

Joe: How much of a bad situation was Glennon in last year? I’ve been told that it was a terrible offense for Glennon, that it was a bad dink-and-dunk offense and that any quarterback would have struggled and it was a bad fit and probably a bad situation. Here it was the fourth game and you are a starter and he probably wasn’t ready. Is there some logic in that it was a bad fit and a bad situation overall?

Jeremiah: I don’t know that they even let him play the position. I thought it was, “Don’t turn the ball over. Don’t screw it up. If it is third-and-seven and you can get me three yards and we punt, that’s a good thing.” I’m all for not turning the ball over. But eventually, you have to let a guy go and let go of the reigns. Especially when [the Bucs] were out of it, I would have liked to have seen if he can do it. I don’t think he ever had a chance to do that.

30 Responses to “Daniel Jeremiah Talks To Joe”

  1. knucknbuc Says:

    Schiano was an idiot. We would of at least known what kind of qb we had if schiano didn’t soil himself every time we took the field

  2. Buc the Haters Says:

    Love this interview. Thanks, Joe. I agree with all of his takes… And OMG, the MGM isn’t going to like hearing that the cannon actually isn’t that powerful. Above average arm strength, yes, but not elite.

  3. Touch_Down_Tampa_Bay Says:

    But eventually, you have to let a guy go and let go of the reigns. Especially when [the Bucs] were out of it, I would have liked to have seen if he can do it. I don’t think he ever had a chance to do that. said Jeremiah.

    I so believe that. This is were Schiano failed with to much control. This was his “Franchise QB.” And if you believe that Sullivan was not override by Schiano while “The Cannon” was playing then you also believe Freeman and Schiano get together every Friday night to reminisce. lol

    I’m so looking forward to Friday. Let’s see the real “Cannon.”

  4. Buccfan37 Says:

    Good interview Joe. Good questions and topics discussion. Good all around in my opinion.

  5. tickrdr Says:

    Nice interview Joe! I appreciate all your hard work and insights.


  6. Harry Says:

    Great interview Joe(s)

    Can you be 0-8 and still keep the reins pulled in on a player that not only desperately needs to learn thru game experience, but someone you need to really evaluate to see if he has “it”. Could Schiano really have been that stupid, that controlling? This preseason should be very interesting for The Cannon.

  7. T-DUB Says:

    best part of our offense… this season we have 2 starters at the QB position. I love the idea of Josh McCown because for the Bucs to win NOW, he’s the man. But, Glennon is definitely a winner

  8. Patrick in VA Says:

    @BTH – Nobody that has called for a fair assessment of Glennon used his arm strength as a reason that he should be given consideration. That is something that came up this offseason. The reason that people have suggested that the 32nd ranked offense not be held over his head as much as it has been is because we saw what Mr. Jeremiah was talking about in the last question. He was told to not take a chance. He was told it was better to throw the ball out of bounds or take a sack rather than give up the interception. The guy was not allowed to play the position and people have acted as though he is a disgrace to QBs everywhere. All anyone who has pulled for him to get fair assessment has wanted was for him to be given proper coaching and a chance. If he’s not the better QB then fine. I’m not sure why he’s been vilified the way that he has and those who supported him being given a chance marginalized

  9. biff barker Says:

    He quashed the “no huddle” against the Niners when the Cannon was firing!

    Nuff said.

  10. danny Says:

    I disagree with Jeremiah about ASJ. I think he will be a STUD

  11. BucSnob Says:

    I disagree with the depth at Tight End. We have Wright and ASJ and that’s about it. Luke Stocker has proven that he can’t cut it. I think Wright and ASJ will complement each other.

  12. JonBuc Says:

    Brandon Myers @ TE has put up some very respectable #’s the past few seasons…it’s a solid group 1-3.

  13. Patrick in VA Says:

    Most teams would love to have our TE group

  14. biff barker Says:

    We not heard much about Myers at camp, but we have heard that Stocker’s the blocker.

    Luke may just make the team.

  15. Kevin Says:

    We have two good QB’s with TONS of weaponry to light up the opposition with. GO BUCS!!!!!!

  16. Joe Says:

    We not heard much about Myers at camp,

    As always, to stick out for someone to mention a player, said player either has to have a decent or outstanding play or f-up on a play.

    If you have “not heard” about a player in training camp, it’s that he is invisible. Nothing sticks out, bad or good.

  17. Joe Says:

    Thanks for the kind words.

  18. BUC4LIFE79 Says:

    Thank You Joe for the interview. Wasn’t really familiar with D. Jeremiah, but from the content of your interview with him, he sounds like a talking head who actually does his job and researches what he’s about to talk his head off about. Imagine that, a knowledgeable commentator and analyst. You could take some notes here Brian (Flat out lie on the air if he”s caught not knowing what to say) Baldinger.

  19. Stanglassman Says:

    This guy knows his stuff it’s a breath of fresh air. Nice job Joe.

    The way Schiano was not letting Freeman/Glennon play QB last year reminds me of when Dilfer was here and he got sick of it and audibled his own play and threw a deep TD pass J. Green.

  20. clafollett Says:

    Ditto what Buccfan37 said. Nice job.

    I think this team has some excellent potential! I’m excited to see where this all goes.

  21. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


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  22. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    I agree with you Stranglassman that Schiano kept Glennon on a tight leash, but Freeman’s best year was probably 2012…until NFL D coordinators figured out Sullivan’s offense and Freeman started playing like crisp. Honestly I don’t blame Schiano for emphasizing ball security with a rookie QB. He probably wanted Mike to get a feel for the speed of the NFL game as well as let him build up some confidence? Now in his second year Lovie & company can loosen the reigns and see what MG8 has.

  23. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    Playing like crap^^^

    Auto spell correct is both a wonderful thing and also a piece of ‘crisp’ 🙂

  24. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    knucknbuc Says
    “Schiano was an idiot. We would of at least known what kind of qb we had if schiano didn’t soil himself every time we took the field”

    And here I thought Mike Sullivan ran the offense. You people forget that name pretty quick around here.

  25. Owlykat Says:

    If you record the NFL Network and then watch it at night you will know what a good scout Jeremiah is. He hosted the long running show on the March to the Draft and was excellent. In my book he is the top authority on players the NFL Network has, and he is right that Glennon does not have an elite arm. That two days of practice was enough time for him to assess his arm strength but not to see how bad Glennon is in a blitz because there was no tackling of QBs.
    The big problem is Glennon will not look good during blitzes in Preseason and is going to ruin his trade value especially when the third string QBs will be more accurate than he is and handle blitzes better. Dallas still needs a solid backup to take over when their starter goes down or retires. Right now we could get a good draft pick for Glennon but that chance will be gone after they study his Preseason tape this year.

  26. Tbucsfan Says:

    Awesome interview. The best I have read in a long time.

  27. Hawk Says:

    Great interview, Joe. Excellent questions and direct answers from someone who did their homework.
    On another note, I find it quite humorous that someone can see the future and be able to tell that “Glennon will not look good during blitzes in Preseason and is going to ruin his trade value especially when the third string QBs will be more accurate than he is and handle blitzes better”, when these “third string QBs” have never taken a snap in a real NFL game. Since when is Glennon on the trading block? Licht said that he never entertained offers for Glennon because he and Lovie wanted him here. *I* am not going to call them liars or act like they don’t know what they are doing, before they’ve even played their first game. SMH and feeling sympathy for the lost.
    I guess that ‘Carnac the Magnificent’ is still with us.

  28. Joe Says:

    Thanks for the kind words, guy.

  29. Piratic Says:

    @Hawk: Owlykat has a major axe to grind when it comes to #8. He’s actually backpedaling quite a bit here. His takes are normally much more vehement. He gives props to Daniel Jeremiah, who had praised the guy he’s been hating on for months, but then says that Jeremiah can’t see what he sees. smh

  30. Jim Halk Says:

    Kat & Hater You are going to look real stupid (not that the present speaks for itself) when MG8 has a good year when he fills in as needed. I agree that he wasn’t given a fair chance last year, but you haven’t heard him bitch and complain about hes coaches or even the members of the mike and pin club (Joe’s words) when they slammed, chewed him up and made fun of his looks and clearly showed how big of Jerks they were, not MG8.

    Joe I know one of you dislike Glennon more than the other but maybe you will give him a little respect here and on the radio this year. He can be an asset for our team.