Gruden: Coaching Will Make Johnny Football

April 18th, 2014

Gruden is sold, provided the coaching is right.

Father Dungy, longtime mentor and friend of Lovie Smith, already has expressed his faith in Johnny Football.

Now Bucs icon Chucky is taking his Johnny Football love a step further than his usual I-love-everybody rhetoric. Chucky, as chronicled by, is all but guaranteeing Johnny Football’s success if he gets strong coaching.

That came on the heels of Chucky drooling over Johnny Football’s risk-taking, as well as Chucky’s glowing impressions when he spent time with Johnny Football for his made-for-TV quarterbacks camp on BSPN.

“If you get him with a quarterback coach or anybody that aspires to be a quarterback coach and spend the time teaching this kid NFL defenses and your system, I can’t imagine Johnny not being successful,” Gruden said.

Those are strong words even for Chucky, who always must be taken with a big grain of salt — or earplugs when he’s doing a live game broadcast.)

If fans want to buy in to Chucky’s mindset, the Bucs are in perfect position to groom Johnny Football, given the presence of quarterbacks guru Jeff Tedford and his trusty sidekick, QB coach Marcus Arroyo. Both of them are former quarterbacks and obsessed with the position.

Joe doubts the Bucs will have a shot to draft Johnny Football, but Joe believes the position still needs to be addressed in a big way. The fantasy of Mike Glennon or Josh McCown hoisting the Lombardi trophy is too great a fantasy for Joe to wrap his head around.

55 Responses to “Gruden: Coaching Will Make Johnny Football”

  1. lightningbuc Says:

    “Joe doubts the Bucs will have a shot to draft Johnny Football, ”


    So you continue to write about John Manziel on a Bucs blog why?

    You know the answer, but Joe will answer it anyway. “Doubt” and “no chance” are two different animals. Joe writes about Johnny Football because the Bucs are seriously in need of a quarterback with “franchise” potential, and Joe would like to see the Bucs draft him.. Don’t blame Joe for the Bucs’ need. At least a dozen other NFC teams are very confident in their QB stable. Joe has written about other preferred QB targets, as well. –Joe

  2. Poo Bear Says:

    Viewed Cal highlights of Alex Mack, Jahvid Best, Keenan Allen and Hawkins on you tube. Type of offense and plays run is crystal clear. Check them out good stuff.

  3. Buc1987 Says:

    Jon Gruden :

    “I’ve got a lot of respect for Fran Tarkenton,’’ Gruden said, “but I don’t necessarily agree with his comment on Josh Freeman. I’ve lived in Tampa 13 years, and I have studied Tampa Bay carefully for a lot of reasons. If you don’t think Josh Freeman can play, I think you’re making a huge mistake.

    “He broke franchise records (passing yards, touchdown passes), and I’ve seen him do it at a high level. That means he can do it again. Not everyone agrees. I’m accused of being too positive and liking everybody, but I do like Freeman. I wish I had Josh Freeman, I’ll just say it like that.’’

  4. OAR Says:

    “The fantasy of Mike Glennon or Josh McCown hoisting the Lombardi trophy is too great a fantasy for Joe to wrap his head around.”

    I think the same could have been said for Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, or Trent Dilfer too.

  5. Hawk Says:

    Now you’re tying dreams to the opinion of a coach who NEVER ‘made’ a QB? smh
    The draft needs to be in early February to cut out all this nonsense, and have articles about actual team players. Drafted players would also have more time with their respective playbooks, so that they would be ready (hopefully) when they report to camp.

  6. Espo Says:

    Funny because Manziel reminds me of Jeff Garcia, whom Gruden coveted for years. Both can excite, win games, and possibly get into the playoffs. The problem is, all that running around and improvising every down won’t beat playoff defenses. Sorry Joe and other Manziel lovers, I just don’t see it working out.

  7. Eric Says:

    I guess taking Rich Gannon off the scrap heap and turning him into a league MVP isn’t “making” a QB.

    Id sure call it that.

  8. b.Bruce Says:

    move up and draft a true franchise quarterback in Johnny football I’ve waited my whole life
    for a franchise quarterback please please please.

  9. lightningbuc Says:


    I’ve got one better than that:

    August 8, 2002
    ORLANDO, Fla. — The meeting was brief, the request bizarre. Tampa Bay Coach Jon Gruden didn’t ask R.ob J.ohnson to throw a pass or even set foot on the football field. A stack of videotapes told Gruden everything he needed to know. Well, almost everything.

    “He asked me to lift my shirt to see my abs,” said J.ohnson, 29. “He’s just crazy like that. He wanted to see how hard I’ve worked.”

    J.ohnson was happy to oblige, and, apparently, Gruden was sufficiently impressed. The Buccaneers promptly signed him to a one-year, $650,000 deal. He’s now competing for the starting quarterback job with incumbent Brad J.ohnson and Shaun King, and Gruden has raved about the former USC standout.

  10. Espo Says:

    Hawk, Gruden “made” Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson. Both were journey men before Gruden turned them into super bowl qbs. And if by “made,” you mean drafted, then you weren’t paying attention to Chris Simms who was well on his way to success if not for a freak injury. Hell, even Bruce Gradkowski is still in the league’.

  11. stanglassman Says:

    I agree with Gruden and Duemig on Freeman. Any small problems Josh had with confidence and time management were exaggerated and exasperated by Schiano trying to trade him in the off season and wanting to bring in his own QB. If he was on our roster today we would not need to draft a QB at all. Josh has never had a drinking or drug problem that is all BS.

  12. Says:

    When will this OCD obesession go away? there is medicine for that now days. Please get some help.

  13. Johnny Manziel Says:

    Alright can you please stop with all these articles about me? I’m starting to think you’re the creepiest alcoholic on the internet. If I get drafted by the Bucs I will refuse to play for them simply because you are in love with me. I don’t swing that way, sorry.

  14. mark Says:

    This coming from a guy that never groomed a qb?

  15. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Look out for Charles Sims. I think hed fit into the offense like a glove. Tedford always used two backs, usually with one specifically used to catch passes. Sims does this and draws comparisons to Forte on da Bears. He and JF would make for some damn fun football to watch.

  16. TylerDurden Says:

    Vick was bigger, faster, stronger and had an arm like a rifle. After a few good hits, he was a completely different player 3 years later.

  17. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Joe…..I know Manziel is possible and that your opinion is that we need a “franchise” QB and that the current stable of QBs is inadequate…..but…..your persistant lobbying for JF is at the least over-the-top and at the most obsessive.
    Even the most avid JF supporter would have to agree that the attention given to one “possible” draftee is excessive.

  18. BucsfaninChina Says:

    And the bucs had him in for a workout yesterday. Woohoo

  19. Snook Says:


    Can you switch the jersey number on your logo from #28 to #2 if the Bucs draft Manziel?

  20. Chris Says:

    Gruden could never develop a young qb. Hence why he always had a revolving door. He took vets and made them better but forget about the younger guys.

    The joes don’t wanna hear what Johnny lacks to succeed as an nfl qb. They see the exciting plays of him running around dogging tacklers when it’s all unnecessary when he fails to see open reads. If you think Manziel can play like that in the nfl when guys are much bigger and stronger, you’re mistaken.

    Jimmy Garoppolo is the qb that fits this offense. He’s a stud that no one talks about yet os the most accurate, good arm, and he sees the field exceptionally well. Quick decision maker. Has that Drew Brees “quick twitch” ability trait to see and process reads and coverages at a rapid pace. That release is the best in the draft. But he played at a small school. He lifted the level of play of his wrs and absolutely dominated.

  21. Patrick Says:

    “Gruden could never develop a young qb. Hence why he always had a revolving door. He took vets and made them better but forget about the younger guys.”

    Could’ve been Chris Simms had he not ruptured his spleen.

  22. tj Says:

    does anyone else have trouble with this site taking a long time tolaod all of these ads

  23. IMiss#40 Says:

    Seriously….Gru loves every single qb he watches….for that matter he loves every player….have you watched Monday Night Football “This guy is an absolute stud, I once saw him walk into a stadium and throw the ball through the uprights from the opposite goal line” – Gru is embarrassing in his gushing over QB’s

  24. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “…given the presence of quarterbacks guru Jeff Tedford…”

    I don’t see how Tedford can be considered a “guru”. You say you can’t hold the NFL failures against him because once they left he had no control over them.

    Well, the same could be said of the successes. Once they left he shouldn’t get credit for what they succeeded in.

    Especially when they attend annual QB camps because they needed to get better.

  25. Orca Says:

    It would be interesting if Joe could actually spend a little more time talking about other players/positions that could help this team. This Manziel/QB obsession was old a few months ago. Can the Joes spend a little more time on WR and OL? Maybe a little more in depth on players we could see them draft over the course of 7 rounds? Would give you a little credibility as opposed to your dishing the daily bullsh1t.

  26. Johnny Manziel Says:

    Johnny Manziel

  27. Phillip Says:

    OL – Jake Matthews Greg Robinson Taylor Lewan Gabe Jackson Richardson

    WR – Watkins Abberderis(sp?) Evans Robinson Moncrief Beckham JR Lee

    QB – Manziel Carr Garropolo McCarron Bridgewater Mettenberger Murray Brett Smith David Fales

    DE/OLB – Mack Clowney Donald Dee Ford

    Those are just a few Joe has posts about Orca..

    Or do you prefer Joe to talk about players that might be drafted by us in the later rounds of the draft where its damn near impossible to do??

  28. Phillip Says:

    Oh and Anthony Barr in the DE/OLB category

  29. William Says:

    Connor Shaw is coming to Tampa.

  30. Phillip Says:

    Connor Shaw was benched his first 3 seasons at South Carolina and only completed his Senior season without getting benched for a game or two… Not injury but actually BENCHED… Mediocre QB’s in College don’t normally transfer well into the NFL… No thanks

  31. chipbuc Says:

    Joe keep on talking about Johnny Football its all right with me. Some people dont like it some do. Its your site if you love Manziel write away. If people dont like it, dont click on the story. My slant is ,if you dont take chances on players ( Calvin Johnson ) who by the way the number 1 and two number 2s that Gruden wanted to give up to move up to draft Johnson are all gone from the team. So nothing ventured nothing gained. So take a chance on a player like Manziel ,we might hit the jack pot !!!!!!!

  32. Bucs Fan Since '76 Says:

    Joe, you (yooz guyzz) is a genius. Johnny Football baby!

  33. Bucsfanman Says:

    What’s up with the Gruden hate?!
    The guy makes a valid point. Johnny, hell any QB, needs strong coaching to be successful.
    @Chris- I don’t understand how you can say that Garropolo will be any more successful than Johnny and neither one of them have played snap #1 in the NFL. I’m not arguing for drafting Manziel but your argument doesn’t hold a lot of weight when you look at the schools and conferences and level of competition each played.
    I think too many people here are taking this “Manziel fatigue” to heart. They’re just opinions guys, lighten up.

  34. Bucsfanman Says:

    @William- Connor Shaw would be a nice later round project. I could see that.

  35. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Bunch of sycophants!!!

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF…you call it excessive. I call it a barrage.

  37. Buc1987 Says:

    LOOK! Joe you have a bodyguard named Phillip. No need to counter stuff on the comments anymore Joe. Life has been made just a lil easier for you now. This isn’t the first time he’s done that for you either. You should consider giving him a small kickback.

  38. Phillip Says:


    It’s seriously a fact.. Just like you being a d0uche 🙂

  39. Phillip Says:

    But yes I agree with upgrading the QB position because we are in a position to do so this year… People have become spoiled thinking we should only take a QB in the 1st round if he’s comparable to Andrew Luck when most years there isn’t and almost all other 1st round QB’s have some major flaw that needed to be addressed… If we wait till next year that means we will have to trade more to move up because I don’t expect us to be drafting in the top 10…

    List of successful starting QB’s in the NFL

    Rivers, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Ryan, Smith, RGIII, Luck, Newton, Manning, Manning, Palmer, Tannehill, Flacco, and Rodgers were ALL 1st round picks compared to the non first round picks…

    Brady(6th) Romo(UDFA) Brees(1st pick in the 2nd round) Wilson(First round grade 3rd round height) Kap(4th pick in the 2nd round) Dalton(3rd pick in the 2nd round) Foles(3rd)

    Ya there are duds in the first but there are plenty more duds in the 2nd-5th rounds… I’ll take my chances with an elite prospect any day over the mediocre prospect…

  40. Bucfan#37 Says:

    Keep the Manziel articles coming Joe. It has made your site entertaining IMO. I would be ok with the Bucs getting him, it certainly won’t be boring. The after draft back and forth between comments would be hysterical.

  41. BigMacAttack Says:

    Hey hey hey Johnny Football!!!

    I hope we get him.

    Johnny gonna light up the pros!

  42. Keirster Says:

    Once again Joe…I like the articles because they are informing. I DO NOT WANT TO READ YOUR OPINIONS!!!

    I happen to love Gruden, and I am not the only one. Great, you dont like him…good for you, awesome, way to go.

    I really don’t give a S%&T! Your opinions ruin your jurnalism, IMHO

    I started coming top your site about 3 years ago and I am about to STOP coming to your site.

    You may care less about that…but I wanted you to know why I will stop my daily visits.

    Florio is bad enuf with his shenanigans…I came here because I think you have good writers, until they stick their unwanted opinion into a news article. Are these news stories or editorials.

    Your site…your choice, but a wrong on in my opinion.

  43. lurker Says:

    ummm, if you’ve been here for any time keirster, you know his articles are opinions. (t)he(y) usually link(s) to what originally motivated him(s).

  44. lurker Says:

    bye, don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

  45. Barry Says:

    Gru should be in the Buc Ring of Fame.

  46. lightningbuc Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    April 18th, 2014 at 3:04 pm
    LOOK! Joe you have a bodyguard named Phillip.


    And don’t forget “spelt” checker!

  47. Eric Says:

    You have to understand to be a true Bucs fan you have to hate Jon Gruden and be glad he was run out of town in favor of Raheem Morris.

    It’s a mental disorder of sorts.

    I’d hate to see how Bucs “fans” would react to Jon if he hadn’t delivered the Championship to Tampa (yeah, yeah he had nothing to do with it).

    In this instance, as usual, Chucky is spot on.

    Let our QB Guru have a QB for goodness sake. Otherwise, why bother with a QB guru?

  48. tj Says:

    everyone has there own opinon , i liked gruden to thought he was a great coach just bad at drafting. i enjoy your opions joe dont agree with everything but who does

  49. Phillip Says:

    You don’t start a sentence with the word and… 🙂

  50. Chris Says:

    When speaking to the media people gruden loves everyone including josh frean and mike glennon.

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    “Just like you being a d0uche”

    Phillip I have no problem with being the site douche. Thanks that’s one helluva compliment.

  52. Phillip Says:


    If that’s what you strive for then there is something wrong with you…


    I thought I already told you I’m flattered but I’m not interested in you… Idk why you feel the need to follow me on threads and comment about me after I don’t even make a comment towards you.. . Kinda like a stalker

  53. Hawk Says:

    Patrick Says:
    “Could’ve been Chris Simms had he not ruptured his spleen.”

    Or not. As far as we will ever know, he had just hit his ceiling.

    Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “I don’t see how Tedford can be considered a “guru”. You say you can’t hold the NFL failures against him because once they left he had no control over them.
    Well, the same could be said of the successes. Once they left he shouldn’t get credit for what they succeeded in.”

    I don’t believe that anyone can call him a ‘Guru’ because of the QBs in the NFL. But, while he was a COLLEGE coach he was turning out an impressive string of outstanding COLLEGE QBs. So, he does seem to fit the description of a COLLEGE QB Guru. Let’s hope he can duplicate the process in the NFL since he is now an NFL coach.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    Phillip Says:
    April 18th, 2014 at 9:35 pm


    “If that’s what you strive for then there is something wrong with you…”

    Alas… you got something right.

  55. Vico Says:

    is not Joe’s fault that we are obsessed with the fact that he is obsessed with Manziel. Also, I think it does attract traffic to the site.