Are Bucs Lobbying For Hall Of Fame Game?

February 18th, 2014
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Lovie has experience in Canton and may be a driving force

The buzz on the street says the Buccaneers are a prime candidate to open the NFL preseason schedule in the annual Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio, on Sunday night, Aug. 3.

It’s a game familiar to Lovie Smith, and one the Bucs very well may be lobbying to play.

Yes, NFL teams can serve up schedule requests to the league. It happens every year, from dates to start times to home-heavy early schedules, playing in London, and more. Those requests aren’t always honored, but often they are.

There are a couple of factors in place that lead Joe to believe the Buccaneers want to play in Hall of Fame Game, which would give them an extra preseason game.

First, Lovie Smith has experience with the game. The Bears won it in 2005, the year of Lovie’s first division title in Chicago, with a first-year offensive coordinator and a new quarterback (Kyle Orton). And the Bears also were scheduled for the 2011 game, which was cancelled because of the asinine NFL lockout. Lovie was on the last Buccaneers staff that played in a Hall of Fame game back in 1998.

Given the strong likelihood the Bucs will have legitimate competition for starting quarterback this season, Joe suspects Lovie would be pleased to have a fifth preseason game to let Jeff Tedford evaluate the offense.

Also, the Bucs are rolling out a new helmet and logo on Thursday. New jerseys could be on the way, and an earlier-than-usual preseason game on national prime time television can generate a lot of buzz to sell plenty of new gear.

Throw in Derrick Brooks’ enshrinement into the Hall of Fame that weekend, a man the Bucs have to be more proud to celebrate than Warren Sapp, and Joe would be surprised if the Buccaneers aren’t actively seeking to play in Hall of Fame game.

Joe’s actually getting pumped up at the possibility. The more Bucs football the better. Make it happen, Team Glazer.

63 Responses to “Are Bucs Lobbying For Hall Of Fame Game?”

  1. lightningbuc Says:

    “The more Bucs football the better.”

    I remember last year the Joe’s were imploring the Bucs to lose to improve their draft position.

    That’s a gross misrepresentation of reality, aka BS.–Joe

  2. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I’m glad for every game we won last year….its why we play….I even want us to win preseason games (avoiding injury).
    Fans that root for losses to achieve a higher draft position are the same type that don’t know the meaning of “for better or worse” is…..They call them “meaningless games”….
    There is no such thing as a meaningless game….not then, hot now…not ever.
    What’s the sense in winning?…..its why the game is played.

  3. Patrick in VA Says:

    @TBBF – “Fans that root for losses to achieve a higher draft position are the same type that don’t know the meaning of “for better or worse” is”.

    Really dude? I’m no stranger to throwing some stretches out there to get to a point but I think that’s a little out there. But, I appreciate both you and lightningbuc coming down from up on high to mingle with us lesser fans. Maybe you can regale us with your accounts of how we’re going to be that much better off for having won those games in the long run.

    I’ve got an analogy for you, fans that root for wins despite the season being lost beyond hope of recovery are the same type of people that stay with an abusive, drunk, unfaithful husband. Sometimes circumstances call for one to try and better your situation going forward.

  4. BamBamBuc Says:

    There were a few screaming “Tank for Teddy” or whatever. Although I think most of the fans (myself included) that were making it known we wanted a change (whether that be bench Freeman or Fire Schiano) were not doing so because we wanted to lose, but rather because we wanted to win. Many times I heard “Why fire Schiano now when he could keep losing and get us a better draft position”. I would rather have made the move earlier, moved up an assistant to interim head coach, continued to do our best to win games and be in a position to start looking at future head coaching options earlier. But not many agreed with that, whether it was because they wanted Schiano to stay or because they wanted us to keep losing, it’s hard to say. All I know is whether I agree or disagree with a change and make my voice heard, it’s only because I believe the change gave us a better (or worse) chance to win and that’s all I care about.

  5. BamBamBuc Says:

    Patrick – “Sometimes circumstances call for one to try and better your situation going forward.”

    Does this include or exclude the QB position? Just curious, because circumstances this year are about as perfect as they could be to improve the QB spot, even if we have to move up. It’s not often you get a class of this many QBs that could potentially be high quality, and also have a top 10 draft choice. I suppose we could just sit pat and hope we tank enough games for Mariotta or Hundley or Winston (if he comes out) next year. Maybe Glennon is the answer, but it’s a huge risk passing up these circumstances.

  6. chef paul Says:

    You bring up a lot of good points Joe. I hope you’re right and we get an extra game. Plus if we happen to draft Johnny, that’s almost an extra entire game for you to lust after your boy toy.

  7. Luther Says:

    I hope they get it. It’s a chance for the team to play and practice early.

  8. Patrick in VA Says:

    @BamBam – I can see where you’d feel that way if you thought these QBs coming out this year are that high quality you speak of. This is no class of ’83. It’s not even a class of ’12. It’s a shade better than last year and our 3rd rounder was the best of that lot. I don’t see it. I understand wanting to use this high pick on a potentially great QB but I just don’t see these guys being that. We can’t make them have a higher ceiling than they have just because we have a high pick and a perceived need at the position. Not saying you’re wrong because I don’t really know what Glennon has if used correctly but I also haven’t seen anything out of these incoming QBs that is jaw dropping other than some scrambling. A lot of those lobs thrown out there by JF were completions because Evans went up there and saved his but by plucking it out of the crowd that the ball was thrown in to. Haven’t watched a lot of film on the other two and if they’re great then get them if they fall to us but the fact that there are so many people that are smarter than me who are not sold says to me look elsewhere

  9. bucs4lyfe Says:

    lovie has experience playing in canton lol ooook

    getting ready for a hall of fame game hopefully it means a veteran qb is gonna get favor to play because of experience

  10. Snook Says:


    This would make my weekend in Canton complete.

    Fly in Friday night, Fly out Monday morning.

  11. Patrick Says:

    If the new helmet looked anything remotely close to this, that would be tragic.

  12. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Patrick. That looks like an atrocity. Everything I saw said subtle changes so hopefully they’re really subtle. Hopefully so much so that we don’t notice what they even are.

  13. BamBamBuc Says:

    I get ya, Patrick. There’s no “Andrew Luck/RGIII” in this draft that are head and shoulders above the others. Even then, RGIII is still an unknown. Pretty common in most drafts that you have your “favorites” and then a 2nd tier, and the rest. This year, the difference between the “favorites and the “2nd tier” is closer than usual, but that doesn’t mean the favorites aren’t as good.

    I’m not a huge Manziel fan. I give him his credit for his ability to make things happen, never give up on a play, and find creative ways to move the chains and score points. I think he has a lot of potential to succeed and a lot of potential to fail. Bortles has better size, better strength, enough mobility/escapability, but might need a year behind an existing starter to groom. I do think if he has the right coaches, he may blossom like an Aaron Rodgers though. Bridgewater is the most NFL ready and probably this year’s “Luck”. Only real knock is that he has trouble keeping his weight up to 220 and may not stand up to NFL hits. To me, it’s a lot easier for an NFL trainer to bulk up a kids muscle than a QB coach to fix mechanical flaws that a kid has had since high school. That’s why I like Bridgewater over Glennon by a mile.

    All the things we like about Glennon, Bridgewater has too. He’s smart, studies the game, loves the film room, great student. But he has intangibles Glennon doesn’t. Mobility/escapability is one, but he is a true pocket passer. More in the mold of Russell Wilson who scrambles, but still keeps his eyes downfield to throw before finally taking off to run. Better pre-snap reads, better blitz reads, better anticipation on throws, throws receivers open better, throws receivers away from big hits better.

    The odds of getting Bridgewater are slim, but I’d sell the farm to get him. I’d even put him ahead of Mariotta and Hundley next year. Bridgewater could be the best prospect since Luck and possibly the best we’ll see for a few years. That’s why it’s a risk you don’t pass up when the circumstances align.

  14. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Patrick

    meh… I’ve seen a lot worse.

  15. BamBamBuc Says:

    I keep hearing terms like “shiny” and “chrome”. Not that I like the idea of chrome either.

  16. Andrew 1 Says:

    I like the copper face mask with the white helmet. put a skull and swords on there and it might not look half bad.

  17. Patrick in VA Says:

    @BamBam – Those are solid points and if what you say is the case, again I haven’t studied the incoming QBs at length, then I’d say take him at 7 if he’s there. If he’s there then that means that a number of the other top tier players at positions of need for us were filled already by other teams so at that point I say go with BPA and if that’s him then so be it. I can begrudgingly handle a QB taken at 7 unless it’s taken while Watkins or Clowney are somehow still on the board. It’s trading up for a QB that I would have a hard time being ok with.

  18. PRBucFan Says:

    I agree BamBam

  19. PRBucFan Says:

    About Bridgewater

  20. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Andrew – It looks like a European league helmet. While there may be worse things out there, it’s still a significant step back from where we are. I think we’ve got the best uniforms in the league and really am not a fan of messing with them at all. Maybe make the pewter pants a bit more water resistant so we can’t visibly see the swamp a$$ the players have going on but that’s a minor complaint that I would say isn’t even worth bringing up if it weren’t for us already having uniform discussions

  21. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Patrick in VA

    lol @ Euro league helmet, then again I dont exactly have the best fashion sense. Im with you though I say keep everything the way it was, but as long as were changing Im sure they can still come up with something pretty cool. at least I hope.

  22. BamBamBuc Says:

    PRB and I agree on something? Somebody fire them cannons! Lol

  23. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Andrew – I think that since there was really nobody that I knew of that had anything against the uniforms we had going on that the changes would have to be subtle. If nobody is complaining then you’re taking a pretty big risk by going in and making significant changes.

  24. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I enjoyed the wins we got, but I also wanted a good draft pick. Was I rooting to lose? No. But getting a higher pick made the losses easier to accept.

    Still, I understand the viewpoint of losing to get that higher pick.

    There comes a point when you have to decide what is best for the tea in the long haul. Losing more games became a larger benefit at a certain point. All these people suggesting we trade up? We would not even need to consider it if we were at pick 5 or sooner.

    So, even as I enjoyed the wins, I knew they were hurting more than helping.

  25. Patrick in VA Says:

    @BamBam – Wait til you find yourself agreeing with Harry about something. I’m still backtracking and trying to figure out where I went wrong. I haven’t had the nerve to break it to my wife yet.

  26. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Bonzai – and were they even wins that we could get excited about? A floundering Falcons team that was a shell of itself, a Miami team that was mired in scandal, Detroit was legit and I’m happy we got that one, and a Bills team that was getting thumped by everyone. Not exactly wins to be terribly proud of. I’m glad we got the Lions win but if we’d dumped the rest of them I’d be happy to be counting down the days to see CLOWNEY on the back of a Bucs jersey after we snag him at #1

  27. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    The helmet is just going to have a touch of orange added so that the helmet can be warn with both the regular and the throwback uniforms.

    A bigger deal is being made of this than there should be.

  28. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Andrew – I’d take it over that first one you posted but still a step in the wrong direction. Has more of a bowling ball look to it than I care for.

  29. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Bonzai – would you prefer that we go through another round of QB debates? It’s something new to discuss. I’ll take it

  30. PRBucFan Says:

    Any win is exciting for me, just me I guess.

    And BamBam, what can I say, I find that happening more and more lol

  31. Go Bucs Says:

    No better way to honor Derrick Brooks, 55 forever!

  32. Andrew 1 Says:

    Thats alright, as long as we dont do a two toned helmet like the jags I think we’ll be ok.

  33. Andrew 1 Says:

    I think we can both agree those look awful.

  34. Patrick in VA Says:

    I’m interested to see how the chrome that people keep talking about works with what they’re planning to do. It’ll either be awesome or really garish

  35. rayjay1122 Says:

    The way the draft order is determined when multple teams have the same record is so lame. That is not how they seed teams in the playoffs. No they use conference record and so forth. The whole strength of schedule nonsense is bull spit. Several of those teams ahead of the bucs were probably better than us last season. Hopefully this is the last year for a while that we will have to deal with a top draft pick.

  36. BamBamBuc Says:

    Patrick, if we had lost to the Falcons, Bills, and Dolphins nobody would remotely consider Glennon a possibility for the future and we would still be stuck in the same conversation sans Glennon supporters.

  37. Harry Says:

    @Patrick in VA Says:
    “… can see where you’d feel that way if you thought these QBs coming out this year are that high quality you speak of. This is no class of ’83. It’s not even a class of ’12. It’s a shade better than last year and our 3rd rounder was the best of that lot.”

    Man you opened the door Patrick. Now you seem like a smart guy, even though you are from KY. I am guessing you are educated, etc, and you understand and believe in the fundamentals of supply and demand and all that, right? Sooooo, I have to take exception to you saying this class of QBs in a “shade” better than 2012. Because from what I am reading, there are going to be 3 to 4 QBs taken in the first rd, right? AND at least 3 likely taken in the top 10 this year, right?

    So, how many were taken in the 1st rd last year (drumroll…)? ONE, EJ Manual taken in the middle of the rd. So that would mean that there were NO QBs taken in the top 10, right? hmmmm, to me, that suggests that EVERYBODY thinks “…these QBs coming out this year are that high quality you speak of”.

  38. Harry Says:

    @BamBamBuc Says:
    “…Patrick, if we had lost to the Falcons, Bills, and Dolphins nobody would remotely consider Glennon a possibility for the future…”
    Yeah, we would be drafting a real QB, one that could be our franchise QB for the next 10+ years

    But BamBam, TBBF says: “…Fans that root for losses to achieve a higher draft position are the same type that don’t know the meaning of “for better or worse” is…..There is no such thing as a meaningless game…”

    Help me out here TBBF, what is the meaning of the next game after your team is 0-8? To show their pride? Improvement? You know how you improve, thru the draft with high picks…. Ahh haaaa, that should have been the meaning of that next game after 0-8, “Tank it for Teddy” I think I used to say

  39. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Harry – disagree sir. There are teams in desperation mode right now that are willing to take a qb high in the first round simply because they have nothing else. That doesn’t make those qbs better, that just makes the teams looking at drafting them more desperate. When Houston is projected as being willing to pass up on Clowney and the opportunity to pair him up with jj watt to take a qb that isn’t Joe Montana then it means they are in desperation mode

  40. Harry Says:

    Patrick, you would argue the sky is green my friend. So what you are saying is that teams this year are more desperate than teams in 2013??? Come on man!
    #2 Jaguars
    #6 Browns
    #7 Cardinals
    #12 Raiders
    And no QB was drafted until #16 – Bills??? Why? Because the QBs sucked last year. Shoot, EJ Manuel was a reach, do you remember?

    Ok, going to give you my biggest reason for drafting Johnny… EVERYBODY should agree on this one. If we draft Johnny, we can look forward to daily posting by Joe like this one:

  41. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Harry – if I recall, all of those teams you mentioned on that list either had a former first rounder playing for them and the regime that drafted him was still in place and hoping he’d turn things around so they wouldn’t get canned or they had just signed a FA qb to an expensive contract so they wouldn’t turn around and draft someone in the first round. Even the jets weren’t willing to do that even though their qb was atrocious but when Smith was still available the next round they couldn’t wait anymore.

  42. Harry Says:

    Sorry, that makes no sense. Using your example, the Jets needed a QB (obviously, since they drafted one), there was a new GM in place, so he is not getting fired. And Sanchez was so bad he was loosing his starting position in training camp as evidence by the preseason game he got hurt in playing in the 4th qtr with the other scrubs.

    BUT the QB needy Jets (again, as evidenced by their drafting a QB) did not see quality in the first rd so waited until the 2nd. I don’t know how much more evidence one needs than that.

  43. BamBamBuc Says:

    I think you’re not seeing the whole picture, Patrick. Last year there were plenty of teams “desperate” for an improvement at QB. The Chiefs gave up a couple of draft picks for Alex Smith because they found him to be a better option (former starter that struggled early, but had shown significant improvement over the past couple years) than anyone in the draft. They had to give up two 2nd round picks to get him, but figured it was better than any QB in last year’s draft. Arizona gave up a couple low round draft picks for Carson Palmer who hadn’t really shown much in recent years. Jacksonville, Cleveland, and even the Jets all figured it was better to wait for a better crop of QBs than pick one of the available ones in the first round, although all were in need. The Jets actually passed on a QB twice in the first round. They really needed a QB and eventually got Smith in the 2nd, but none of the QBs that came out last year were true 1st round QBs, it was a horrible QB draft class.

    So, with very little talent to draft last year, teams went the route of trading for a QB (because QBs are rarely available as free agents if they’re any good). Free agents available were Tyler Thigpen, Charlie Batch, Matt Leinart, Byron Leftwich.

    The Chiefs were desperate, they let Cassell and Quinn go. It was either trade or draft. They had the first pick, could have taken whomever they wanted, the best of the best…. and they passed, decided to trade away multiple picks.

    Jacksonville may not have been desperate, they may have just figured it was too soon to spend another top 10 pick on a QB… or they didn’t think any of the QBs in the draft were worth a first round pick. Same for Miami and Tannehill. Either wanted to see more Tannehill or didn’t think there was anyone worth the pick last year.

    We haven’t gone through free agency this year yet, but with Vick, Freeman, Flynn, McCown, Grossman and Henne the headliners, I think you’ll see a lot of teams pass. As for trades being the better option, it would have to be for a backup like Ryan Mallett or Kirk Cousins. I think I’d rather chance getting a possible starter in the draft than a known backup in the NFL. And of course, the draft… no one is talking about how there isn’t a “true 1st round QB” this year like they were last year.

    Bleacher Report summed it up well last may “The 2013 draft was a case of no stellar prospects entering a quarterback market that is uniquely filled with franchise quarterbacks and high picks hoping to become that caliber of player.”

    Those high picks are guys like Gabbert, Tannehill, Ponder, Weeden. Teams still wanted to give them a shot since they were drafted so high. But the key was “no stellar prospects” to replace them with. You don’t think a team with Blaine Gabbert would have JUMPED out of their seat if there was an Andrew Luck in the draft last year, even if they had just taken Gabbert a couple short years ago?

    Well, here’s another Bleacher Report quote “The second highest grade I’ve given to a quarterback in the last decade, second only to Andrew Luck, Teddy Bridgewater is a sure-fire franchise player at the next level—or at least he should be.”

    Again, sell the farm to get the kid. The Texans will trade the pick, or if we think they’ll jump all over Manziel, trade with the Rams, they don’t need a QB and we’d jump ahead of those that do. Bridgewater has every tangible and intangible you could want in a QB. Those types don’t come around every day. We only have 5 or 6 spots to move up to get him, make it happen.

  44. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Harry – Ryan still had the Sanchez tattoo on his leg so he couldn’t take one in the first. Ok, admittedly, bringing the jets into it didn’t do any favors for illustrating my point the way I envisioned it when I was writing. I’ll grant you that last year’s qb class was indeed worse than this one. I just think that time will show us that the divide between the two groups won’t be as big as you do. I think give years will show this to be a pedestrian qb class like the Freeman, Sanchez, Stafford class

  45. Patrick in VA Says:

    Give = five

  46. Harry Says:

    Patrick, Free’s QB class would be a much better argument – mostly bc how the heck can you compare them today? Yes, thank you for including the Jets, I meant to, but they did not get in there; really, almost the same thing could have been said about the Jags, Bi-Polar Browns and Cardinals. But you’ve already admitted defeat (lol) re: ’13 vs ’14 QB draft quality, so I will let it be.

    Did you not like my Mrs Jeff Garcia argument for drafting Johnny? Damn, come on man! Wouldn’t it be great to have Joe post Johnny current fav is happy to see him playing this Sunday? My question is, how did that bald headed, above average QB snag that girl? More power to him!

  47. Harry Says:

    Crap, forgot to give you kudos on Ryan’s Sanchez tat. THAT was funny. Yeah, can’t bench him with a fresh tat; didn’t it have a foot with a little cupid arrow thru it?

  48. Mumbles Says:

    Whatever Lola….I mean Lovie wants!!

  49. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Tanking is probably the second most disgraceful thing to do in any sport, but especially in pro football. Cheating is the first. These people get paid disgusting amounts of cash, the president of the United States gets paid a fraction of what these guys do, and it’s no question which job is tougher. You don’t get paid that much money to give 50% or less of your effort and loaf around just because your team is losing. People really started to respect Rah after he said his team would win 10 games, and what do you know he actually did it. But all of it was lost when his team obviously tanked it after playing Lovie’s Bears across the pond. If you lose, you lose. So be it. But nobody can fault you for giving it your all.

  50. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I remember seeing the “alternate black uniforms” for the Bucs in Madden, doesn’t look half bad lol but I hope they don’t change the jerseys. Changing the helmet and especially the logo is bad enough. But who knows, it could stick like when the Bucs switched from the creamsicles.

  51. bucballer Says:

    I believe that M. Sanchez will be in training camp with Bucs as the veteran, experienced QB. Won’t start though! Sounds as plausible as some of the other spit I hear out there…

  52. PRBucFan Says:

    That’s a disgusting and evil thing to say bucballer

  53. Sammy Watkins Mob Says:

    PRBucFan: I agree

  54. Harry Says:

    buttfumble a Buc, huh? As good as any prediction.

    I can hear it now… “the Bucs Sanchez takes a short drop, its a crossing route, NO, its a buttfumble! Saints have the ball!”

    And our typical annual exciting offseason of “guess that draft” continues…

    Glad we have Lovie to look forward to (in addition to “who’s that quarterback…)

  55. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I’d rather have Vick than Dirty Sanchez but prefer neither.

  56. SAMCRO Says:

    I would rather have Tim Tebow over Vick, or Sanchez.

    Actually Tebow has had more recent success than those two.

    but….it is still hard to believe that Sanchez was a first round pick not long ago.

    I wonder if the Jets will take a QB with their first pick this year?

    The Jets will give Smith the starting job even after last years poor performance. I wonder if they draft another QB? again…

    Glennon out performed all the 1st round rookies last year, but many Buc fans just want to put him on the back shelf.

    I think most of the Glennon bashers were former JF5 supporters last year and got buthurt when Glennon took over and they just could never accept it, No matter how much Glennon shows improvement this year, he’ll have ex Freemanites hoping he implodes..

  57. Patrick in VA Says:

    @Harry – you’re kidding yourself if you think that we’ll stop seeing manziel coverage if he gets drafted elsewhere. if this love story were the Budweiser super bowl ad with the horse and the puppy Joe would be the puppy. No distance would be too great to keep him from his soul mate.

    @BamBam – I won’t contest any of that. Last year was the inverse of this year with a slightly stronger FA qb class and a garbage draft qb class so teams went with the lesser of the evils and the best thing to come out of any of it (not including Peyton as he was hardly a question with anything other than his health) was a game manager who rode the tail of Jamaal Charles. This year we have a garbage FA group and a slightly better qb class but that doesn’t make them better than they are. Their high first round grades are based on the needs of the teams, not the fact that their talent is too good to pass up on

  58. BoJim Says:

    Patrick in VA Said:

    “I’ve got an analogy for you, fans that root for wins despite the season being lost beyond hope of recovery are the same type of people that stay with an abusive, drunk, unfaithful husband. Sometimes circumstances call for one to try and better your situation going forward.”

    Man Patrick. That’s a bad analogy.

    Professionals don’t/shouldn’t tank games. You play to win.

  59. Couch Fan Says:


    Exactly. The funny thing is how they now expect perfection from a rookie when they offered up excuse after excuse for #5

  60. Patrick in VA Says:

    @couch and Samcro – I think that had a lot to do with these comments sections. It has become more about being right than the team doing its best and winning. People become so entrenched in their takes on things that they’d rather see the team do badly then be wrong about a stance they took

  61. tiny tim Says:

    Please nnnnnnoooooooo!!!! An extra meaningless preseason game? Please don’t do it Glazers. All we need is for McCoy or David or Revis to go down with an injury. I love watching bucs, but not to the tune of “5” preseason games.

  62. Couch Fan Says:


    Sadly, I think your right.

  63. Keirster Says:

    What a great way to springboard into the season, right off the heels of Brooks enshrinement. A great way to show the young team what greatness means. Go Bucs!!!!