49ers 33, Bucs 14

December 15th, 2013

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It was a game on the scoreboard in the fourth quarter, but the reality is the Bucs were bullied and worn down by the mighty 49ers today.

The Bucs made plays, plenty of them on defense and flashed some offense, but it was nowhere near enough. That was to be expected.

The Bucs lost in the trenches — again, expected — and got burned by third-down magician Colin Kaepernick far too many times.

They couldn’t keep him in the pocket. Darrelle Revis getting manhandled for a big first-half gain by Anquan Boldin didn’t help either.

There were bright spots in another stout game by rookie defensive end Will Gholston, and Tim Wright hauled in just about everything thrown his way, including a touchdown. Eric Page found another rookie mistake to ice the game — for the 49ers.

Gerald McCoy coming off the field in the fourth quarter for a breather before the game was out of reach was a most telling sight to Joe. McCoy was gassed, as was the beat up and pounded Bucs defense.

84 Responses to “49ers 33, Bucs 14”

  1. SteveK Says:

    Damn it. Did Page improvise or was that a coaching gaffe?

  2. Gus Says:

    If Schiano is not fired, then Sully got to go. I can’t stand watching this anymore. And as for Glennon, these last few weeks has me thinking he isn’t the answer that I thought he could be.

  3. Doc Says:

    4-10, enough said.

  4. Walter Says:

    Oh no, we suck again! Lol

    Tim Wright is awesome though

  5. Couch Fan Says:

    I’d like to know what the offense game plans for all week long. It seems like they just come out and do the same thing every week. Run up the middle, Run up the middle, pass on 3rd and long. punt.

  6. Eric Says:

    Just when I was feeling optimistic.

    Total beatdown.

  7. dee Says:

    Somebody call that pay i would like to know why.

  8. WalkdaPlank Says:

    If Schiano doesn’t win 5 games, he’s gone IMO. That’s what him and his college of coaches are fighting for at this point, job security. And if they can’t find a way to beat the Rams or Saints, it’s ADIOS!

  9. Bangkok Buc Says:

    We need a QB 1st round. Plain and simple. Glendon will be serviceable back-up.

  10. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol yes because another rookie QB will be the answer to turn this offense around. Brilliant.

  11. WalkdaPlank Says:

    And I gotta say, Sully is just another Greg Olsen. Always predictable, never mixing it up, trick plays fail 9 times out of 10.

  12. cometowin2 Says:

    I don’t think McCoy was gassed. Looked like he got hit in the nads. Kapernick looked like a greased pig. Thought the defense played pretty well considering how long they we’re out there out. A less mobile QB would of been sacked 5 or 6 times at least.

    Fire Sullivan. Time to put in McNulty!

  13. SSG MIKE Says:

    Schiano needs to walk the plank. Let the new coach decide ifGlennon is serviceable and move on in the draft.

  14. Eric Says:

    Maybe you do have to have the mobile QB.

  15. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    We’re not drafting a QB in the first round and Schiano is not getting fired. Thankfully.

  16. flmike Says:

    The talent level was telling, I didn’t expect to win, just be somewhat competitive, great effort, but for a team down to its 4th rb and 4-6 wr, and a rookie qb, staying with the reigning NFC champions, I’m okay with it.

  17. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I don’t see how anyone could be overly confident in Mike Glennon as our QB of the future. Granted the playcalling was awful (or at least it appeared to be to me), but Glennon just doesn’t look the part. First off, he consistently holds onto the ball for too long. Second, he misses guys that are wide open, instead choosing to throw to guys that are double and triple teamed. Third, he shows a complete lack of awareness to the game situation. On third and 8, he throws a 4 yard pass (even without pressure). On third and two, he ignores his check down and holds onto the ball too long and either throws it away or takes a sack. On 4th and 26, he throws a 12 yard pass to Owusu, which if it wasn’t a bad throw, Owusu may be in the hospital right now. Throw the damn ball down the field – you are down 19!!!! I’m sorry, but making 2 or three good throws a game does not a QB make. Haven’t we learned that already with Freeman? I’m sure people will blast me and blame Sullivan and a lack of weapons (and that’s certainly true too), but a lot lies on the QB in my opinion. He’s now had more bad games than good games, and I think it would be foolish to not at least seriously consider drafting a QB in the first round.

  18. BucFanForever Says:

    To me, Glennon looked sharp when the game was competitive in the two minute offense. It looks as though he is comfortable throwing timing routes, but is quickly disrupted when he is forced to drop back and wait for a route to develop. He is the anti-Freeman. Now if only the Bucs would start games like this, wins will be much easier.

  19. deathaneers Says:

    there is no excuse for this performance. all week long all they talked about was stopping Gore and Kaepernick and they tore us apart. Revis on Crabtree was a joke. looks like another 3 to 4 years of rebuilding coming.

  20. Chris Says:

    To the guy saying we need a first round qb: you don’t just take a qb to get one. Do research.

    The only two qbs I see as upgrades in round 1 are Bortles and Bridgewater. That’s it. If we have a shot at either two then I’d consider pulling that trigger.

  21. WalkdaPlank Says:

    We need O-Lineman in the draft, not a QB. Rainey isn’t a stud, but I bet not even Adrian Peterson could manage 100 yards with this kind of play from his O-line. Glennon is running for his life and the playcalling could be better for the running game and the passing game. Penn, Joseph and Nicks’ jobs will all be in question this offseason. Penn is giving it his all, but that’s the problem, his all ain’t cuttin it. Joseph is a little banged up (?), but it’s debatable that he is past his prime as well. Nicks is the the MVP of the Bucs (Most Valuable Patient), he’s a good player when he’s healthy, problem is he hasn’t been healthy since the Bucs got him. He’s eating up salary and he’s not even playing.

  22. BucFanForever Says:

    And someone needs to tell Schiano/Sullivan that going three and out doesn’t use up as much clock as any drive with a couple first downs.

  23. Eric Says:

    Game was never close to being competitive.

  24. cometowin2 Says:

    Hey Joe,

    That was Clayborn’s 5th sack of the year today. I think coming off an injury you should lay off him. As far as our pass rush, a less mobile QB would of gotten creamed today.

    I like the development of Ghoulston the last few weeks. Sit down Teo.

  25. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I may be alone on this one, but I don’t have a problem with the fumble on the kickoff return. Our offense wasn’t going to be able to move the ball down the field and score twice in a little over 4 minutes. I mean, come on, let’s be real about that. We all know that’s true. Sure it made the score look ugly, but we play to win the game, not to keep the score respectable. I actually applaud the staff for making that call. However, benching Page for it is a bit much. That’s a hard play to make, and it looked to me that it was just as much Dawson’s fault.

  26. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    49ers beat down the 4-9ers today

  27. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Eric

    you must have been watching a different game. It was.

  28. BucFanForever Says:


    i would have been more accurate saying “within a remote chance of winning,” instead of competitive

  29. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Revis on Crabtree was a joke.”


    Revis was on Boldin dude. Nice one.

  30. realtalkfaulk Says:

    Schiano has to be fired. only shortsighted people would want him around. Bucs came in this season with playoff aspirations. It was playoff or bust. not only is it not playoffs he officially has a worse record than he did last year. fire this clown. then down the line you can address this game manager qb

  31. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I don’t know, you don’t consider being down 6 at the beginning of the 4th quarter competitive? Granted, they were by far the better team, but we had a chance to win. Us not being able to stop Crappertrick on third down was the difference in the game.

  32. JonBuc Says:

    “Thankfully the Bucs aren’t drafting a qb and keeping Schiano. ”

    The rest of the NFC South couldn’t agree more….

  33. Bucfan#37 Says:

    Kaepernick burned the defense on that 3rd and 12 with an all out Buc rush. Stop that conversion and Bucs are in the game. Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda. The game was a roller coaster ride, with a bunch of bad dips for the Bucs.

  34. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    We just came off a drive where our offense was in rhythm in the 2 minute drill and looked sharp finally, so it was good bet we could have at least scored one last touchdown. If our defense, who was playing good all game, had a stop in them we could have gotten a game winning field goal at the end. We could have one that game.

  35. deathaneers Says:

    Sorry H, Revis NOT on Crabtree was a joke. He was ripping us apart and no adjustments

  36. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    I agree, I’m OK with the play….just didn’t execute…we are down 2 scores with 4:30….got to get some field position.

    We were in the game….down 6….SF 3rd & 12…..Kap on the run….completes the 1st down pass…..game…pretty much over then.
    Kaepernick almost single-handedly beat us!!!

  37. mark2001 Says:

    Strange assessments by some. Inspite of the way the game played out, we were only down by 6 with what, about 7 or 8 minutes to play. They converted how many third and longs? We couldn’t stop them….that was the game. One stop and we would have had a real chance to win this game. Some fans view it as a blowout. It was not. It ended poorly, but when we were down 9 with 4 minutes against a very good defense it became a long shot. We rolled the dice and lost. But this wasn’t a blow out…just a disappointing ending.

  38. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    True, but you have to realize how pitiful our offense was all day, sans 2 drives. The defense had to be completely exhausted, especially against a punishing running game and mobile QB like that. I totally agree that if we had a stop, maybe something could have happened, but I don’t fault the defense. They were on the field all day, and Krapptip was unstoppable on the move.

  39. mark2001 Says:

    deathaneers…that is what happens when a team has multiple weapons. Choose your poison. Unfortunately we don’t.

  40. BucFan 20 Says:

    Yes. No running game and 1 real receiver, no OL protection 99% of the day.”Johnny Football” could have been better than Glennon. Would have won the game single handed. We will see that written all week.
    Penn got his a$$ beat all day. This line needs a total overhaul. Give Glennon REAL weapons and a good OC then evaluate him.

  41. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    I’m with you on the defense. I’m proud of them. They fought there @ss off.

  42. Please Says:

    Give it one more year. What good does a new coach and QB do? Go after o-linesmen, d-linesmen and TE; if we suck next year then make all these changes you want. Jameis’ll be ready by then.

  43. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Penn did not get beat all day. That’s ridiculous. Aldon Smith is a premier (maybe THE premier) DE in the league. Glennon took all day to make throws. You can’t expect any QB (much less a statue of a QB) to take that long to make throws.

  44. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Glennon engineered two long drives perfectly….the difference was the no-huddle….two minute offense….vs the run,run, pass, punt 3&out……predictable impotency.

    Glennon only looks bad when things are desperate and they got that way at the end.

    Our offense not sustaining drives early in the game caused our defense to wear out….and that really cost us late in the game.

  45. deathaneers Says:

    the defense is playing their hearts out but if something isnt working its time to make in game adjustments. The coaching staff has no clue how to do it.

  46. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Just some names of people that will be FA’s this offseason on the O-Line.

    LT: Branden Albert
    Eugene Monroe
    Jared Veldheer
    RT: Michael Oher
    G: Wade Smith (not a long-term answer because of age, but made the Pro Bowl last year)

    The Bucs will also have a chance to draft good O-Lineman in the upcoming draft such as:

    Tackles Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan and Cammeron Erving.
    Guards Cyril Richardson and Gabe Jackson

    This offense is painful to watch mainly because our rookie QB looks like a frightened rabbit and we have a 4th string RB who can never find a hole because of a weak O-line.

  47. sg5821 Says:

    As i said previously, all the wins this year came from playing inferior opponents. Tampa Bay and Schiano can never beat a Quality opponent. I attribute this to Bad coaching

  48. Clowney Says:

    Vikings win!!

  49. lurker Says:

    i said early on that our defense would be tired in the 4th quarter because the offense was ineffective.

    also, how is our qb playing like a scared rabbit? rabbits are quick and can move. maybe like a scared giraffe.

  50. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We have several needs….we need to trade down and pick up an extra picks…..
    We need a WR, TE, OL…
    Many times our recievers didn’t get open….we need some real speed in the slot and another tight end…The Oline is making too much money and need to be restructured or replaced.

  51. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “the defense is playing their hearts out but if something isnt working its time to make in game adjustments. The coaching staff has no clue how to do it.”


    Couldn’t agree more. Same plays over and over and over and over and over and over. Run up the middle accounts for about 85% of our first down calls this year. But the one that drives me the most crazy is running the ball on 2nd and 20!!! We do it EVERY SINGLE TIME. I know you are trying to surprise the defense, but it’s hard to surprise them when you do it every single time!

    As for Glennon looking better in no huddle, nowadays most QB’s do. That’s why so many teams are incorporating it as their normal offense. It doesn’t give the defense to change personnel, and it wears them down (playing defense is generally much more tiring than playing offense). My question is, why does it take so long for us to go no-huddle?

  52. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @TBBF – Actually, one of the few things I am satisfied with is the play of Tim Wright. Not sure how well of a blocker he is, but he can catch the ball at TE.

  53. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ WalkDaPlank

    I absolutely agree….and if we pick up another TE, he will be even better…I don’t have much confidence in the rest of the corps.

  54. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Although we could use help on the O-Line, until we get more weapons, it doesn’t matter. You can’t score when Underwood is your #2. I don’t even know who our starting #3 WR is at this point. That’s a bad thing. Aside from Vincent Jackson and maybe Tim Wright, who is a threat in the receiving game for our team? No one. Any team can key on 2 guys, especially when the QB is immobile. A mobile QB has a tendency to help the OL tremendously. Case in point, the 49ers. Our D-Line was all over SF today, but Clappingstick escaped from the pressure and made plays. No way in hell Glennon could do that. There is no doubt our OL performed better than theirs in pass protection, but the mobility of their QB was the clear difference.

  55. Grumpy Old Man Says:

    Today’s outcome was no surprise, totally expected. We can nit-pcik certain aspects of the game but the reverse on the kickoff was butt flippin stupid. That is on the coaches for calling a play like that with less than sure handed KO returners. 4-12 maybe 5-11 if they beat St Louis. The big question is will it be enough to save Shiano’s job?

  56. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    The rebuild continues!

  57. BucFan 20 Says:

    If you were around here you would have just heard Dave Moore say it was not all Glennon. The Niners not only took away his receivers but his check downs most of the day. The only time they didn’t was when they ran the hurry up. He thinks Glennon did very well, was smart and held his own . I think Moore knows what he is talking about. But you won’t see that here. All you will see is “Johnny Football”.
    And Penn was beat. Everytime we play a great team he gets beat.

  58. buc4lyfe Says:

    As usual i don’t agree! The defense played well enough except in the second half when Dakota Watson misses 3 open field tackles on third down no less. Like high school watching him trying to tackle someone by grabbing at their shoulders! But Wasn’t it Joe that with that pay last week saying Mark Barron has arrived? How and why a safety is up so far on the line he gets burnt by a tight end is beyond me.we’ll never win with glazers Schiano and dominick making decisions. This will be a Cleveland Browns rebuilding project that’ll take them a generation to figure it out

    On glennon: if orvlosky is so vital to glennon success then make him 3 string qb and qb coach or something but there’s no qb in free agency worth signing that can’t beat out glennon, people are scared to draft a qb even though we have no back up or anyone else being developed. Mark Dominick Mr capologist knows nothing about personnel. Never thought we’d are Donald Penn regress so early needing help from a running back to slow down the rush.

  59. Clowney Says:

    The Little General thought he could win playing a prevent offense.

    SF’s next opponent will be practicing their no-huddle all week and will thank Schiano for showing them the Niner’s weakness. Too bad Greg is too stubborn to make the correct adjustments at halftime himself.

    4-12 should be good to draft Clowney in the 1st, OL in the 2nd & 3rd and picking up Aaron Murray in the 4th.

    Just fire the Little General and the Teflon Dom, and the new coach leads them to the Super Bowl.

    One good thing they learned this year is that they should never draft a RB in the early rounds.

  60. JerseyBucsFan Says:

    To the people who think drafting oline for the draft remember the so call rock start doesn’t believe in that….

  61. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We need a top wide reciever….maybe Sammy Watkins will still be there when we pick…if not…trade down for extra picks.

    We need another QB to provide “competition”… I have no doubt that Glennon will react differently than Freeman.

  62. DownwithDummynick Says:

    It starts on the line of scrimmage and our O-line is terrible. I say in the 2014 draft pick 1 Jake Mathews OT Texas A & M our 2nd pick Cyril Richardson OG Baylor. IF Revis stays we have no 3rd or 4th round pick. Tempted to say cut him and go after other pieces of our missing puzzle.

  63. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    First of all, I did not say it was all Glennon. It absolutely wasn’t. Watch the game again. On the first possession (third down), watch how wide arse open Underwood was. It would have been a 20 yard gain. Instead he went to a covered Leonard with a safety bearing down on him. There was a third down play in the third where Jackson was wide open in the middle (only about 5 yards downfield), and Glennon held the ball, then threw it and it got batted down. Last week he missed Underwood wide open on a busted route. He’s been doing it in nearly every game. Hopefully it’s just a rookie thing, but he is missing guys wide open – and on a regular basis. That’s a problem, especially when throwing the ball is his only threat (he certainly doesn’t scare defenses with his legs).

    And I’m sick and damn tired of this “playing smart” crap. We are playing a great team, how about playing good. Playing smart is a nice way of saying playing not to lose. Against a good team, playing not to lose means you are going to lose. That’s evident by our record. If you really feel like Glennon is the answer, then that’s great. I hope you are right. But I just don’t see it, at least not yet. I can name 20 QB’s in the NFL I would take over him right now. That means he’s below average. I’m not okay with below average, are you? Even if you think he’s in the top half, would you argue that he is better (or even has the talent to be better) than the other 3 QB’s in our division? Then exactly how do you expect to ever win our division? This isn’t the 90s, you need to have a QB to win. Defense has been outlawed by Goodell.

  64. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    ” IF Revis stays we have no 3rd or 4th round pick. Tempted to say cut him and go after other pieces of our missing puzzle.”


    Boy am I glad you aren’t the GM. We gave up a first for Revis, and only one year in you want to cut him to keep a third? HEH?????

  65. DownwithDummynick Says:

    @Clowney, You realize if revis is still on the roster 1-3-2014 then the Jets get our 3rd and 4th round pick via the revis trade.

  66. DownwithDummynick Says:

    @ Hawaiian, What has Revis done this year besides put one million dollars per game in his personal checking account? I don’t think he is the same player and it shows.

  67. Eric Says:

    Looked like the niners were firmly in control the whole game to me. I think the stats show that.

    But, doesn’t really matter. This show goes on next year anyhow. Better off dropping these last two for optimal draft position.

    Can only hope Glennon develops cause come hell or high water Schiano is starting him next year.

  68. buc4lyfe Says:

    I hope we don’t accept Sullivan and Sheridan losing there jobs to realize Schiano is making these decisions, that hands off want Eric page fault because the ball was handed off but the announcers are talking about it like he made the call. Schiano is doing the coaching which is why we’re losing

    I would be more accepting of Schiano if he still had the youngest team in the league like raheem Morris but don’t go out spending all you’re cap money to make this a veteran team just to bring in a coach that knows nothing. Not drafting a qb would be just as simple minded as not hiring a new coach because clearly there are better coaches available than Schiano, glennon….well why not double up like we did for our defensive line because one never pans out.

    Williams/Benn, McCoy/Price, Claiborne/Bowers. Glennon is ok but I want insurance, get some of the money off our books somehow. Get a younger left tackle, Goldson ain’t doing nothing, Tandy has better stats off the bench. If we’re gonna keep Revis get someone that knows how to use him and disguise or weaknesses better. That was stool a winnable game in the 4th quarter, great coaching Schiano, that’s what you do best blow games in the 4th but somehow Schiano escaped criticism. I’ve never not cared about a loss as much as i have since Schiano got here…I want She man gone in the worst way

  69. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “@ Hawaiian, What has Revis done this year besides put one million dollars per game in his personal checking account? I don’t think he is the same player and it shows.”


    Let’s see, he’s shut down (or at least slowed down) every receiver he’s faced. He’s forced 3 fumbles, has 2 picks, and has tackled very well all season. How did Boldin do today. Look at what he’s been doing all year and compare it to today. You can’t expect a CB to have 16 picks. It doesn’t work that way. Teams rarely even test him. He also leads the team in passes defended, which is amazing seeing as how he doesn’t get thrown at. But I’m sure you, like many, only remember the 4 or 5 bad plays he’s made all season.

  70. DownwithDummynick Says:

    I still say in the 2014 draft pick one Jake Mathews OT Texas A & M our 2nd pick Cyril Richardson OG Baylor. Two best Offensive tackle – Offensive Guard in the draft and both can be gotten by the Bucs. Make some holes for Martin-James-Rainey to run through next year.

  71. oldfart44 Says:

    The defensive effort was valiant to say the least. They were on the field for 39:50!

    Offense was 1/10 on 3rd down. Perhaps the Bucs were effective at the end of the 2nd half because San Fran played a sort of prevent defense. Why? I don’t know. Did we not have negative yardage in the 4th quarter.

    I don’t think Glennon is the answer. In my opinion, he is even more inaccurate than Freeman. He holds the ball way too long maybe because the routes don’t suit him. He has no escape ability.

    Maybe the Bucs should look at Cousins from Washington. Trade Glennon, Sullivan, and Schiano for him.

    But good news. The wife and I are leaving for Arizona tomorrow. This is to help reduce your deficit, and if you want I can give you presentations on universal health care.

    Merry Xmas from Canada.

    Goodbye and good riddance, Schiano.

  72. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ DownwithDummy

    You are wrong….we lose a 3rd rounder in 14 if he is on the roster or a 4th rounder in 14 if he is not….we don’t lose both picks….

  73. DownwithDummynick Says:

    @Hawaiian, I stand corrected. i looked up his stats and did notice a trend, oppossing teams rarely throw his way. I didn’t consider that so I admit I was wrong. Still want to see Mathews and Richardson with our first two picks. See if Gholston can develop.

  74. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    No worries. It takes a big man to come back and admit a mistake. I respect that greatly.

  75. Bucky23 Says:

    Couldn’t of said it better myself, Hawaiian. Glennon is doing the best with the talent he’s been given. He just is never going to be a scary QB in this league. He will be a good back up. Don’t get people’s obsession with Glennon.

  76. DownwithDummynick Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ DownwithDummy

    You are wrong….we lose a 3rd rounder in 14 if he is on the roster or a 4th rounder in 14 if he is not….we don’t lose both picks….

    Sorry, i did read that incorrectly. But Revis does provide value to this team if opponnents do not even throw in his area.

  77. buc4lyfe Says:

    On another note Barron has become big time but how can you actually call a defensive play that gets him burnt by a tight end that’s an obvious threat that’s faster than alot of receivers. He’s you’re safety lol no one else was in sight so did we stack the line with 11 players because goldson was nowhere to be found either

  78. DownwithDummynick Says:


    Maybe the Bucs should look at Cousins from Washington. Trade Glennon, Sullivan, and Schiano for him.

    What about MCcown from Chicago? He did pretty good filling in for Cutler.

  79. lurker Says:


    just go back to the eagles with chip the dip. why u need to change ur name? u r still a waste.

  80. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news for some of you….but the Glazers will keep Schiano & Schiano will keep Glennon….now, lets hope it isn’t bad news for the rest of us.
    We have 5 draft picks…..near the top of the rounds…and could trade down for 1 or 2 more….we will have some cap space….I see us improving on defense without addding much and I see us adding O-line, WR & TE to the offense.

  81. Eric Says:

    Texas is looking for a coach….

  82. tha truth is ... Says:

    if we don’t acquire speed we will see more of tha same. Draft Watkins, play him primary in tha slot and train him 2 be tha future #1 receiver

  83. MTM Says:

    How many times did the D-lineman rush in trying to sack the QB then get gashed by the RB. Ugly game. Offensive is pitafil.

  84. buc4lyfe Says:

    Really? With all the OTHER issues you think the cure is dragging a receiver! Brilliant just brilliant guy no wonder Schiano makes fun of this fanbase. So we need better receivers, the fact that a rookie quarterback is missing open receivers on a regular basis means nothing? But you probably don’t notice that if the game announcers don’t say it