Bucs Losing Recovery Gambles

October 21st, 2013

Rockstar general manager Mark Dominik made four large calculated gambles on health entering this season. He banked on four highly-paid Buccaneers returning productive off major surgery: Adrian Clayborn, Carl Nicks, Davin Joseph and Darrelle Revis.

If Joe adds up what these guys have delivered, it doesn’t look good.

Clayborn seems healthy, but that’s a little scary if he is, considering he only has two sacks while playing alongside a Pro Bowl defensive tackle. The trade deadline is in eight days. Joe knows the Bucs won’t trade Clayborn, but what would he fetch on the open market? Joe suspects it wouldn’t be much.

Nicks’ foot wasn’t right in the offseason before he was afflicted with MRSA twice.

Joseph says he’s 100 percent, and the team has deemed him healthy. But Joseph is playing ugly football at right guard. Either the Bucs were wrong in their assessment of his readiness or the Bucs’ captain is on the down side of his career. Joseph turns 30 in a few weeks.

Revis has played well, but not like a $16 million-per-game cornerback should. He’s not quite 100 percent, and the debate rages on about whether he’s been used properly.

Again, Joe knows the Bucs planned on getting all these guys back at 100 percent. Before the season, Joe said on the radio that the Bucs would be lucky to have three out of four of them healthy.

Now, it seems like the Bucs haven’t even got half of what they expected from these team cornerstones. The gamble didn’t pay off.

66 Responses to “Bucs Losing Recovery Gambles”

  1. Paul Says:

    Don’t forget Bowers. That’s when Dom was self-promoting as Bucs being the knee experts.

  2. bucfanjeff Says:

    Nothing has paid off for the Bucs this year. Nothing.

  3. Paul Says:

    I mean when we drafted him, not his achilles injury. He’s sucked since he injured his knee in college imho.

  4. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Fellow Bucs fans, let me ask you a question. Seeing what we have seen so far this year with this team and these players and knowing that hindsight is 20/20, do you think it was best to trade a 1st round pick and 16 million a year for an exceptional shutdown corner, or would it have been better for the Bucs to have drafted a 10 year starter at another position and spread out that 16 million to bring in 3 or 4 functional players with it? Just wondering what you guy’s thoughts are at this point

  5. lightningbuc Says:

    Actually Paul, I believe Dom promoted the Bucs as knee experts when they picked up Gabe Carimi off the scrap heap.

    Dom don’t know squat!

  6. mvermulm Says:

    John Abraham, Osi, Selvie, Bennett, Brent Grimes, Sean Smith, and many others would all be nice to have right now, huh? I wasn’t in favor of over-paying any of them, but to not make a run at them at all was just unbelievable.

  7. mvermulm Says:

    Mr. Patrick, the CBs in this draft were largely terrible and over-rated, so I have no problem at all with trading for Revis. The contract is set up nicely to be able to restructure whenever we’d like, and he’s a great player. The problem is how we’re using him. Setting him up on the left side of the defense, on whichever WR is there lining up, is just ridiculous. He should be on every team’s best WR no matter what. If he needs to play off-coverage a bit to be sure he doesn’t wear out his knee, that’s fine. But put him there anyway.

  8. Ruggyup Says:

    More than one person needs to fall on his sword for this tsunami turning into tragedy. And I’m not talking locker room here.

  9. chickster Says:

    you should forget about winning this year this year is lost and next year can be saved with quality coach look at KC this year that’s what we are now last years Kc team if we can get a good pick out of this and a vet qb but I am starting to like glennen

  10. Johnny Dejay Says:

    Also, they gambled that Luke Stocker could be healthy and that Tom Crabtree would emerge as a playmaker. There were several TE’s available in UFA, especially the other Bennett, that would have been better options than Tim Wright.

  11. Warrenfb12 Says:

    “Our medical staff knows knees.” -Mark Dominik
    This is really looking like amatuer hour at GM. Can we fire this guy yet? How that quarter of a billion dollar secondary do against Atlanta’s scrubs yesterday? “No fly zone.” Smh

  12. Billy Ray Says:

    Joseph and Clayborn totally suck, the play of the O-Line and lack of Pass Rush is pathetic.

    Revis seems over rated and not used properly.

    Nicks is a total waste of money with all of his injuries, etc.

    Dominick sucks also in not getting proper depth for this team (i.e. – Tight End and D-Line) and his pathetic hiring of Schiano!!

  13. Adam L Says:

    WOW… I should be WRITING for this site.

    In the off-season when Bennett walked I kept posting on here how, “Hope is not a plan” in my almost weekly rippings about how Mark Dominik put this team together. But the Dominik apologist want to point to one good draft as reason enough for him being good enough to keep his job.

    So Bennett walks for PEANUTS… replaced with Bowers (or was he considering he’s not a starters). Really, the Bucs replaced Bennett with Teo-Nesheim (or HTF you spell it). Nice move, Dominik.

    Do you realize that this DL is so bad that JEREMY TRUEBLOOD held them sackless? You couldn’t beat Jeremy Trueblood who never met a jersey he couldn’t hold.

    Joseph and Nicks? One sucks, one’s toe is infected and a riddled with disease. Dominik can’t even hire a competent janitor. And who’s the depth the Bucs have behind him? TED LARSEN. What? Sean Mahan’s not taking our calls anymore?

    And the $16million Man? I think he might be getting by on reputation and QBs are avoiding, but on a lot of these LONG TDs, I’m seeing 24 in the frame. Now either he’s not doing his job (that’s bad) or the rest of the D is not doing its job (even worse).

    So (cough) “Rockstar.” We can put these failures to plan on the resume next to re-signing Michael Clayton who couldn’t catch a cold if he was snorting anthrax naked while sitting on a glacier and trading up for Luke Stocker, who’s been about as helpful as the Obamacare website.


  14. Bobby Says:


    Setting him up on the left side of the defense, on whichever WR is there lining up, is just ridiculous. He should be on every team’s best WR no matter what. If he needs to play off-coverage a bit to be sure he doesn’t wear out his knee, that’s fine. But put him there anyway.


    Yeah. I didn’t have a problem with how they were using Revis as long as they were getting results but the last two games have shown me that they will exploit Johnson and Banks so we need to make sure they are not doing that with their #1 receiver. Put Revis is man coverage with the other teams best receiver and if he struggles we can always change it but I think Revis can handle it as long as it’s not press man the entire time. That will free the safeties up to focus on helping the other CB.

  15. Tampabaybuctfan Says:

    I still like having Revis…and I think he will get stronger….as it turns out…his development isn’t costing us games and the season is lost so we can continue to bring him along.

  16. kennyc Says:

    LMAO “who’s been about as helpful as the Obamacare website”. I needed that…….

  17. simeon 97 Says:

    This part is great.

    “Schiano sent his guy over to run me out of practice one day,” Jackson, the MVP of Super Bowl XXXVII, said on the station’s ‘Game Day Uncensored’ show. “This guy said, ‘Who are you? What are you doing here? You can’t be here.’ I said, ‘go get the Glazers if you want me to leave.’ He (Schiano) tried to run me out.”

    Joe’s already determined this story is bogus. –Joe

  18. Patrick Says:

    You need to drop the rockstar label now Joe. With so many of Dom’s draft picks underperforming miserably, I can’t see why you wouldn’t. On top of that, look at our record! Bottom line, we’re not winning!

  19. Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Davin Joseph probably did not want to beat his friend Jeremy Trueblood, who he basically blackmailed Tampa into keeping one year.
    He is done, and Tampa is a real mess right now.
    It has literally been one carnival of errors after another.

  20. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    He also gambled on Bowers being a factor at all.

  21. Adam L Says:

    “It may eventually go down as one of general manager Mark Dominik’s greatest blunders, but the decision to give Clayton a five-year, $24 million contract last year is what’s keeping him on the roster.” ~TBO.com May 11, 2010.

  22. csidedave Says:

    The Bucs docs know knees brought to you by the same docs who know MRSA

  23. Bucfan#37 Says:

    The Bucs don’t know how to win a game. Something is rotten about this team besides the usual blunders. No chance for a win leaves no hope for fans.

  24. Capt. Tim Says:

    Vincent Jackson is a great player, and an even better man. It disgust me that we are forcing him to deal with the Pasta nazi. Yeah, running school kids out! And our SuperBowl MVP!!
    Classless beyond belief! Schiano should be running up, trying to touch Dexter! That’s as close as his non coaching lil’l arse will ever get to a Super Bowl.

    Why do we have a rookie CB starting?? Do any of you think this constantly getting beat is good for his confidence.

    Adam had good ideas.
    I though the “brothers ” idea was good.
    Sign Revis, draft Desmond Trufant, sign Marcus Trufant. His experience would help his brother.
    Resign Bennett- then sign Marcellous Bennett, the TE.
    They all wanted to play together, let them .

    Of course, TEs aren’t important in this offense!

  25. BirdDoggers Says:

    I didn’t expect Clayborn or Joseph to be 100% at the start of the season considering the injuries they had. It wasn’t realistic to expect Revis to be 100% either. Yet, Dominik pulled the trigger on a trade for Revis and elected not to sign defensive line help just in case Clayborn and/or Bowers didn’t pan out. It’s a decision that is coming back to bite this team. The return on investment is very poor.

    On the other hand, the results might not be different if there was more depth. Schiano hasn’t been able to win a single game with the roster he has, which is regarded as fairly talented.

  26. Buc1987 Says:

    “spread out that 16 million to bring in 3 or 4 functional players with it? Just wondering what you guy’s thoughts are at this point”

    Mr. Patrick .. I mentioned something along those lines in August. I was hoping paying Revis all that money instead of getting 2-3 decent DB’s would be the right choice. Being that the Bucs were still very thin at DB.
    SteveK remembers it I’m sure.

    Part of this is why I think the Bucs wanted to get big name players Revis and Goldson to sell tickets. Give a catchy theme name called the No Fly Zone and get fans riled up to buy up tickets. I know they were the other 50% part of why I bought season tickets. I feel like I’ve been Culverhoused into buying season tickets. Like I was suckered. Like seeing a big present under the Christmas tree, opening it up and the box is empty.

  27. lightningbuc Says:

    trading up for Luke Stocker, who’s been about as helpful as the Obamacare website.



    Funny stuff, man. I didn’t think anything could be put together worse than Big O’s website, but I think the Buccaneers may have succeeded with all their “accomplishments” the past few months.

  28. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    I agree on Revis. What sucks is if you almost have to keep him around or that’s one year at less than 100% for the FIRST ROUND PICK. Thanks Dominick.

    Joe you may want to make that former rockstar or add an asterisk.

  29. lightningbuc Says:

    No Fly Zone? RayJay is gonna be the No Fan Zone soon!

  30. Patrickbucs Says:

    @ Bobby

    Wasn’t that the justification of giving up a 1st & a 3rd and $16 million a year? Real teams gameplan for Revis on the left side of the d and avoid him or have their wr cut underneath the zone hoping Revis stays in zone.

    Our offense is at least scoring some more points against bad defensive teams but our defensive secondary is getting worked again like last year. It’s so frustrating that we can have succesful seasoned professionals leading the front office and on game day.

  31. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Smh-I crazy 2 think all the posters I had 2 battle about not going after Revis. Can remember the conversation between me & SteveK

    February 27th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Like I said yesterday-

    Sure he’s “WAS” a 3x All-Pro (before the ACL injury)

    *“He torn anterior cruciate ligament in a non-contact play against the Dolphins as he tried to defend a screen pass in the open field.”

    *Placed on injured reserve on October 12, 2012
    *Generally takes six to nine months to recover

    *As of right now he is basically 4 months into his rehab. Dude hasn’t been in ANY CONTACT DRILLS. Hasn’t tackled a damn soul, or shown ANYONE that he’s fully recovered. And has the nerve to be asking for QB money(WTF)

    February 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Can anyone, name the last CB on a SUPER BOWL WINNING TEAM that was getting paid like the TOP QB’S in the League?

    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Dallas Cowboys
    New England Patriots
    San Francisco 49ers
    Green Bay Packers
    New York Giants
    Washington Redskins
    Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders
    Miami Dolphins

    Dam still cant find Not one. Sure Sanders & Law made some good money. But ELITE QB money.

    SteveK Says:
    February 27th, 2013 at 9:22 am


    We need to pay the man. He is a baller.

    Look at Adrian Peterson, he dillutes your arguement on ligament speak.

    Look, everyone, is getting the wrong idea about Revis. He was with the loud mouth, Suzy Kolber Shmoozing, HBO telethon, Spanish reporter harrassing, outspoken Jets.

    The Jets are all about tabloids, and not Super Bowls. Revis gets a bad wrap because of their mishandling of a Franchise.

    Revis deserves the best money in the game for a CB, why in the heck won’t we? He would only cost us about 4-6 million more per year than GMC.

    What in the heck has GMC done to warrant his 11 million dollar payday, one probowl and two injury seasons.

    Look at Revis’ resume, understand the Jets were a circus under Tennebaum, and for the love of god stop mentioning ACL. Adrian Peterson doesn’t care to hear about ACLs anymore, 2K yards rushing later……

    SteveK Says:
    February 27th, 2013 at 9:25 am


    16,000,000.00 reasons for Revis to come to Tampa.

    He is the best in the NFL at CB, he deserves the biggest paycheck, as he is the top 1% of his field.

    The salary cap will be right around 120,000,0000, so that would be roughly 13.5% of our salary cap.

    Currently, 13.5% of our salary cap was tied up in: Eric Wright, Quincy Black, Jeremy Trueblood, Reejus Benn. <—ALL unproductive players.

    With the addition of Revis, we could lock up the best lock down CB in the game, and all at a rate of 13.5% being better spent on the best.

    February 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am


    February 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am




    February 27th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Of the Top 10 passing defenses this year. Not one CB on either team was getting paid like an Elite QB. Crazy how the Jets passing defense was ranked #2 in the league without him.

    February 27th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Use the Cap Space to Improve Depth + add a few starters.


    Draft a few more good prospects at the same position. And we wil be a better overall team, with some quality debt on defense.

    February 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am


    I could give a dam about Garment sales. WE NEED CHAMPIONSHIPS. And this is a team sport. And our Team has plenty of holes all over the damn roster.

    We need to add quality depth (Not Quality Debt). And a few more than capable starters. No need to gamble away, 10yrs of hard work now. We’re finally, in a position to to take that next leap as organization.

    And I hated the Eric Wright Contract just for the record.


  32. Patrickbucs Says:

    Cannot have

  33. SteveK Says:


    Revis was the right choice, and we still have 18m in cap space. unused cap space.

    Why do we not utilize our player recources better?

    I was all over signing a vet D-Lineman and DB, even a SLB, but Dom just stops.

    Michael Clayton was taken with the 18th pick of his draft, and was the 5th WR off the board.

    We are a dumpster fire Franchise right now.

    With our luck, Freeman is going to come out looking like the 2nd coming of Fran Tarkenton tonight.

  34. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Ahhh yes Eric Wright. Who had lots of smoke going back to USC, which I mentioned as Dominick signed him.

    Sure glad I have a college team to follow. This is ugly.

  35. Que589 Says:

    D. Joseph, Mike Williams and Clayborn are tremendously overrated by the front office, fans and media. It’s crazy that no one can see that

  36. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    For a 1st round pick, Revis will need to play at high level for 4-5 seasons to be worth it.

    Barron is still not playing at a level he needs to be either. I have seen flashes from him.

  37. Buc1987 Says:

    SteveK…what good is Revis if the other DB’s are getting torched?

  38. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    LMAO, I can’t believe that you still-seriously believe -that Revis was a good move. SMDFH

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    I wanted the Bucs to beef up the secondary not only with starters but depth as well. Instead of paying Revis all that money, they could have spread that money around the secondary and got 2-3 quality DB’s. It might not have sold as many tickets though, that’s my thinking. Culverhoused!

  40. Capt. Tim Says:

    I think Revis was the right move also.
    It’s not his fault that he’s not being used correctly.
    He’s had a meeting with Schiano already( documented here), and as usual- nothing changed. Did anyone else see Revis engages d in an unfriendly conversation with Schiano on the sideline.

    This year, is pretty much a waste.

    Next year, I believe we can be the Chiefs! We have talent. Just need a good coach.
    Revis is a player most coaches would love to have. It’s a coach magnet to have him here

  41. Adam L Says:

    Saying Revis is the problem is like blaming your hammer when you have a pile of screws.

  42. SteveK Says:

    Revis, David and McCoy are parts of the solution on D.

    Our GM, HC, and coaching unit are questionable.

  43. SteveK Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    October 21st, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    SteveK…what good is Revis if the other DB’s are getting torched?


    Banks is a rookie, Ronde is gone, Barron and Goldson are just not playing up to task.

    PENALTIES hurt too.

    October 21st, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    LMAO, I can’t believe that you still-seriously believe -that Revis was a good move. SMDFH


    Keep on shaking your head, because I BELIEVE REVIS IS A GREAT PLAYER, AND WILL BE A GREAT BUCCANEER.

  44. Bucs Fan Since '76 Says:

    Finally, people are starting to realize that this team is seriously lacking talent. That is on Dominick pure and simple. We have no speed, pass rush, game breakers, or playmakers. Our QB situation is dismal. The Glazers need an organizational architect with experience like a Bill Polian, Rich McKay, Jerry Angelo type to grab hold of this thing or we will be living the Culverhouse dream…again.

  45. SteveK Says:


    Why didn’t Mark D. use the remaining 18MILLION DOLLARS IN CAP SPACE on signing depth?

    Our GM is the FAILURE, perhaps given orders from ownership, but that is exactly where the failure falls.

    Our GM hired Schiano, drafted Freeman, failed to sign Haynesworth as an FA but found a way to get him…

    Our GM lacks a “plan” as Shaun King would say.

    Shoot, I wish baby hands King was still our QB, good times back then. We would win, play hard, and had a great D.

    Wow, how the times have changed.

  46. Andrew 1 Says:

    I think we have enough talent to have gotten at least 1 win up to this point. its just seems like we are always 1 step behind the other team when it comes to game planning. like someone said before, it might be that Schiano schemes and game plan do not translate well in the NFL. just my opinion.

  47. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    So, you’re the new GM, and you have decided to go full rebuild: who do you keep?

    Foster (at worst, quality depth)
    Revis (for a 1st rounder, he pretty much has to stay)
    Barron (another 1st rounder, just hope he improves)
    Clayborne (at worst, quality depth)
    Glennon (at worst, a solid backup)
    Mike Williams

    I’m sure there’s quite a few solid backups with promise, but, that’s just off the top of my head.

    If you go the KC Chiefs route, it would look much different.

  48. SHO-NUFF!!! Says:

    be careful you don’t offend the dinner buddy of the GM…you’ll get scrubbed

  49. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Hey I know we are just speaking our opinions, and we’re all entitled to our own.
    But lets be real. Can we get equal value for what we given up to get Revis? How many DYNAMIC-GAME CHANGING PLAYS-TOUCHDOWNS MADE/ SAVED OR DENIED.

    Last I checked we’re 0-6. And you’re paying giving up a 1st in 3rd ++++++ a million per game. Really? No Really?

  50. Superfriend Says:

    Surprised you wouldn’t keep Vincent Jackson? Dashon Goldson? I’d easily keep them both.

    I’d keep your list plus, akeem spence, Nicks (think he will be back next year), Owusu wideout but for depth.

    I like Mike James as depth, he’s looked good – did in preseason too.

    Dotson at RT and Penn unless we draft one, and tim wright and crabtree would be good if we had a #1 TE.

    So id keep 9 of 11 starters on defense and 8 of 11 starters on offense.

    Teo out, OLB dime a dozen…Offfense new OG and OC and a legit TE

  51. Bucs Fan Since '76 Says:

    ODB –

    I’d keep all of them, but that gives us 10 good players, not all of whom are quality starters. We must draft a franchise QB. Glennon is not that guy. I’d take Johnny Football and turn him loose. Pray he doesn’t get hurt until we rebuild the roster which could take some serious time.

  52. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:


    I left Jackson due to it being a total rebuild and factoring in his age and his salary. At this point, I haven’t seen Gholston play up to his $. I guess I’m not sure about Dominick’s plan of paying guards like tackles, and safeties like DBs.

    Yes, Dotson for depth, etc. Penn seems to unraveling. I don’t know if it’s his body or what, but, he is killing the team with penalties. He doesn’t look like a shutdown left tackle right now. And, at his age, where will he be by the time to rebuild is complete?

    Definitely like Mike James too.

  53. 911bucs Says:


    “you should forget about winning this year this year is lost and next year can be saved with quality coach.”


    That’s Assuming we will get another coach.

  54. Bucsfanman Says:

    LUVMYBUCS clearly not a Revis fan! I mean you have a point but, this is a team sport and what help is he getting in the form of a pass rush? I don’t care if you put Deion Sanders back there, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference right now. What’s the alternative? We can say “what if” all day long. Not all of the free agents available at that time are balling either, in fact, half of them are hurt.
    The truth is that the team has once again failed in evaluating D-line talent, a glaring weakness since…damn near forever. Pass rush=QB makes mistakes, NO pass rush=QB pick you apart.
    Also, it might help if we could move the football and control the clock. The less time the D is on the field the better. Just saying!

  55. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Johnny Football coming here would totally depend on who the coach was and what kind of offense they ran. Under this regime with this offensive system it would be a disaster. Now say with somebody like a Gruden………….

  56. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Eric DeCosta
    General Manager & Executive VP

    Joe Douglas
    Director of College Scouting

    Mark Azevedo
    National scout

    Ted Monachino -DC???

  57. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    I like the DeCosta hire. He learned under the best in the biz.

  58. PRBucFan Says:

    Revis will be here for the long run.

    He’s played fine and will only get better.

  59. Billy Ray Says:

    Revis sucks and has not made an impact. I was against trading a 1st rounder then and it is proven as true! Dude sucks.

    Joseph is pathetic too.

  60. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    IMHO-Since we all the components for Plug-In-Play. Baltimore’s Hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense would be great for us.

    That’s why I’m suggesting Ted Monachino or Jim Tomsula as the new Defensive Coordinator.

    Move Adrian Clayborne to OLB/DE-Similar to the way Baltimore uses Terrell Suggs

  61. PRBucFan Says:

    “Revis sucks and has not made an impact.”

    Ignorance at it’s finest

    So every analysts out there that says he may not be back to his old self but is still well above average must be out of their mind huh?

    Thanks for you expertise

  62. Billy Ray Says:

    Revis definitely sucks and sure as hell is not worth $16 million per year, a 1st Rounder and 3rd Rounder….he has not made any Splash plays and defense continues to get torched.

    So, shut the F up PRBucsfan

  63. Bobby Says:

    Hard to believe we won the time of possession battle by 15 minutes! How do you hold the ball a full quarter longer than your opponent and not win?? Give up big plays….

  64. PRBucFan Says:

    LoL Cause Bill Ray Kiper Jr says so 😉

    What if I don’t?


    I am soooo scared.

    Dumb ass

  65. Pewter Power Says:

    Again, its time for Dom to go.

  66. fridgebob Says:

    Hey Joe,

    It’s 1 million per-game, not 16.