Josh Freeman’s Ugly Numbers

September 22nd, 2013

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After today’s meltdown in New England, Joe just doesn’t know how much longer the Bucs can stick with a struggling quarterback like Josh Freeman. Joe is going to guess that Bucs commander Greg Schiano will ride him to the bitter end of the season.

For years, it has been excuses for Freeman. First he didn’t have enough toys. Now he has too many drops.

Then, there is the ever-popular “game-planning” crutch.

Joe has never, ever heard of a quarterback coddled by so many well-placed friends. It’s one thing for the team to spin for him. It’s another to hear each and every Monday how the Bucs offense is everyone’s fault but the guy who touches the ball on each and every play.

As Super Bowl-winning quarterback Phil Simms said earlier this week, the quarterback is the second-most important person on the team aside from the head coach. Thing is, you can have the most beautifully concocted gameplan and if the guy(s) on the field cannot execute it, it doesn’t matter.

Joe seemed to have noticed Patriots quarterback Tom Brady had some drops today, too. You didn’t see him roll up in a fetal position and suck his thumb while enablers patted him on the back and said, “You are playing good, Tom. Shame on those receivers for dropping your golden passes.”

The Freemanites are now, themselves, running out of excuses. At some point, when does the quarterback share responsiblity for an offense so impotent, Connie Chung would be offended?

Joe will leave you with these numbers: Josh Freeman is now a dreadful 6-17 against teams with a winning record for his career and an embarrassing 4-13 in road games dating back two full seasons.

This season of futility — does anyone with a sober mind really believe the Bucs are a playoff team this season? — now brings Freeman’s playoff-free career to four years. Few, if any, starting quarterbacks with losing numbers like Freeman’s get a fifth time at bat for a playoff push.

119 Responses to “Josh Freeman’s Ugly Numbers”

  1. Buc Fan South Tampa Says:

    wellsaid Joe, well said. Might as well go for the number one pick in the draft now. Last year it was “Suck for Luck”, this year is it “Fail for Manziel?”

  2. Buc Neckid Says:

    “Coach, What do you think of you offense’s execution?”
    “I am all for it”
    John McKay 1977 Bucs Head Coach

  3. Jrock Says:

    Those two dropped passes were touchdowns Joe. You do realize that?

    Freeman is 19/41 for 236 yard. 1 INT, no TDs.

    Brady is 25/36 for 225 yards. 1 INT and 2 TDs.

    Receivers catch their balls, suddenly we have an actual game and Freeman looks pretty good, better than Brady actually.

  4. JK Says:

    Stinkin Gruden!!!

  5. Greg Says:

    We s##k

  6. JK Says:

    Or tank for Teddy!

  7. BucfaninMi Says:

    Freeman must go. Seasons over anyway!

  8. bucrightoff Says:

    Josh Freeman has lost so much money in the last 9 games its not even funny. Looked on his way to $15 million a season at 6-4 last year, might make $4 million a year as a backup next year. Insane.

  9. Deminion Says:

    Usually I’m never negative u gotta get freeman outta there time to move on…sucks cuz our D is really good this yr

  10. SensibleBuc Says:

    Hey we saw what a backup QB could do today (Brian Hoyer) with a far less talented team. I literally couldn’t care less anyore about who our QB is anymore. I’d just like to see us be competent offensively.

  11. Joe Says:


    Bucs aren’t going to bank on a first round draft pick of a quarterback unless the entire team is blown up.

  12. Patrickbucs Says:

    Well said Joe. I defended him because of our poor d since he’s been the QB. We’re just not getting it done on so many levels.

  13. BucfaninMi Says:

    Everyone’s back up can our starter!

  14. Rob Says:

    Gosh. Hope he never takes another snap for us. See what Glennon can do and get anything you can for Gosh. Probably too late but he is already mentally gone

  15. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Joe, you can’t spin this one, you’ve been a Freemanite this whole time.

    You’re not fooling anyone.

  16. Patrick Says:

    Tank for Johnny Football. Manziel > Freeman or Glennon.

  17. Joe Says:

    Joe, you can’t spin this one, you’ve been a Freemanite this whole time.


  18. Buc Fan South Tampa Says:

    this team has quit. They will not get hurt for a QB they don’t want to play for nor respect. Freeman is talented, but has made his choice about what direction he wants to go.

  19. JH Says:

    If someone told me in April our season would be over after week three I would have thought they were drunk, now that’s the only thing I can think of doing when watching this team.

  20. BucfaninMi Says:

    Can be our starter

  21. schiano quotes Says:

    good grief every week someone starts regurgitate stupid stats about the the quarterback what about stats on other players like third down drops, how about our best offensive weapon doug martin game into the game tied for 3rd in drops. no one is saying a word about vjacks drops and oh right before halftime we run it on first down for these idiots to sit back and try to throw instead of running the clock out….tom brady would suck in this offense

    who the hell tries to throw deep balls to the smallest player on the field….tim wright drop in the endzone hmmm ooops i forgot thats freeman’s fault too, bench that man, you guys are a joke if you think another qb is gonna come in here and gut someone’s defense with that playcalling but ok. if freeman wasnt his guy they should have went out and got real competition like vince young. not defending freeman but to hell with the bucs until they make a change….ANY KIND OF CHANGE

  22. Joe Says:


    If you accuse ANY PLAYER of a felony act, you will get banned. Joe’s not putting up with this s(p)it any longer.

    If you have evidence of such a crime, email Joe the evidence.

  23. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    my last defense of Freeman. you remember how he started off putting the ball on the money?? then you saw the drops? then you saw the WRs getting injured?? no TE?? 3 4th down go-for calls (from the HC), one where we were 4th & 13 from the 33, down by 17, where we could have gone for a kick to cut the lead to 14??

    no?? you dont remember all that?? bye Schiano!

  24. Buc Neckid Says:

    bucrightoff you have a good point
    if Dominik would have signed Freeman in the off season that might have been the case
    Kudos to him for waiting this one out
    A season like Flacco had only comes once in a lifetime.
    Freeman bet he could do it, Dominik bet he could not.
    Dominik wins
    But Bucs lose…
    This year

  25. Patrick Says:

    I don’t know what the hell happened to Freeman. He used to have some great games. But now he’s completely lost any magic he once had.

  26. Buc Neckid Says:

    Johnny Foorball is NOT a Bucanneer Man

  27. Joe Says:

    I don’t know what the hell happened to Freeman. He used to have some great games.

    That’s Freeman. Has *some* good games. Enough to tease you. Inconsistent in college. Inconsistent in the NFL. You know what inconsistency gets you in the NFL? A fired coach and GM.

  28. Anzac Buc Says:

    Lets hope Freeman puts up some great stats in the next couple of weeks so some other team will give us at least a 7th round draft pick in a trade. He looks so blank-will never be a good pro QB

  29. SteveK (MGM) Says:

    Freeman is more a part of the problem than he is a part of the solution.

    QB change would provide a spark.

    Sucks to hear we are 3 games into the season, and we are 0-3.

    I really expected playoffs this year, and for Freeman to emerge into a Top 10-15 QB, like he was in 2010.

    We have a decent team, but our QB can’t complete 50% of his throws. Dude is a coin flip. Coin flips don’t win games in this league.

    Talib got the better of Freeman, Geno Smith showed him up and Drew Brees struggled right past Freeman.

    Our QB sucks, and continuing to hear Freemanites including 620sourpup blame Schiano is ludicrous.

    Give Schiano his QB, and then judge the guy.

    Why does Freeman get 2 head coaches, 3 OC’s and 3 QB coaches, but he is not held accountable to produce.

    Sad, sorry, brutal, inept= our QB play.

  30. Patrick Says:

    Johnny Football may be a cocky dick head, but he always has the last laugh in the end.

  31. Ed Says:

    The Buc franchise is in a free fall. Same results as Raheem got. Losing gets you fired in the NFL. With the free agent expenditures the team has made, this was a must win season for Shiano. It was a must perform year for Freeman so he could get a major contract.

    So far the pressure has gotten to them both. They were totally uncompetitive in this game after the first quarter. Once the Pats got to 14 points I was convinced this game was lost. So was everyone else watching the horrible performance.

    It’s unheard of for NFL coaches to get fired during a season but Shiano’s fate is sealed the more we see a quarterback completing less than 50% of his passes and averaging 10 points a game on offense.

  32. bucrightoff Says:

    Joe in todays NFL we see rookies succeeding routinely. There’s been one or two every year the last few years it seems. The Bucs right now unfortunately could be on their way to a top 10 or even top 5 pick. Thats where you can get a QB like that (the Russell Wilsons and Tom Bradys of the world are rare)

  33. Patrick Says:

    You can thank Radio Raheem for getting us stuck with Freeman.

  34. Neil Says:

    He just sucks, end of story. Can’t win games, can’t score points, can’t get first downs. Let’s get someone in there who can do those things please. There’s no point in blaming the people around him anymore…..3 pro bowlers on the offensive line, 2 of the better, playmaking receivers in the game on the outside. One of the best running backs in the league……and we score 3 points all game.

  35. PRBucFan Says:

    “Unless the entire team is blown up.”

    What on earth does that mean?

  36. SteveK (MGM) Says:

    I can’t wait to hear how our QB is not the problem.

    Plain and simple, Freeman is not QB material. He can throw, and look pretty, but where is the skill?

    Potential this potential that, dude is out of excuses.

    Conspiracy theories, HC blamers, Dominick apologists, everywhere you look: zero accountability.

    Lets Schiano be HC, Butch Davis GM.

    Ametuer hour with the karaoke star is getting really dull.

  37. schiano quotes Says:

    how is it we had an explosive defense last year but got worse this year….the stupid and easy thing to do is blame the qb…umm hello we’ve been outcoached almost every game since this coach got here. we gave up a 1st round pick for revis and drafted banks to have two press cover corner but your defensive gameplan is to play zone and backoff two rookie recievers and give the receivers room to catch the ball then tackle, thats idiotic….whats worse is the idea of dropping one of your best pass rushers back into coverage on the goaline or moving your best pass rusher mccoy to defensive end on a critical 3rd down

    you retards get in here every week and throw out freeman’s name as if glennon is gonna solve our problems. i cant wait until he gets his shot, this was a pathetic gameplan considering we practiced with them during training camp and had a preseason against them but leave it too our coaching staff to make them look like stars…this team quit and you can see it.

    YOU THINK THIS TEAM QUIT ON US BECAUSE OF FREEMAN seriously…as awful as that gameplan, we have some confused fans

  38. nyc buc Says:

    5 yrs of this crap. I’m done with Freeman! Everyone keeps making excuses for him. He…IS…NOT….Good!. People don’t have to keep making excuses for a QB after 5 yrs if he is good. Good QB’s overcome mistakes and make plays. We have to move on!

  39. PRBucFan Says:

    No your just in denial sir

  40. bucfan999 Says:

    @ BKNYfootballhead

    “Joe, you can’t spin this one, you’ve been a Freemanite this whole time.

    You’re not fooling anyone.”

    Couldn’t agree more, Joe has been disparagingly calling those of us who didn’t believe in Josh as “The Glennon Mob” and now even Joe is calling for Freeman to be benched. A sad day for the Freemanites!!!!

  41. Kevin Says:

    Start Glennon next week I’m not gonna say anything else

  42. bucrightoff Says:

    There are gonna be good QB available next year in the draft, We see it often now rookies come in and play well right away. The free agent market is weak. Backups aren’t that great either.

  43. BucfaninMi Says:

    It’s time for Glennon! See what he’s got!! Maybe he will provide a spark, hell Orlovsky would be better at this point!!

  44. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Joe, I’m just saying I can’t recall for weeks on end you writing a single post about Freeman without once railing on the so-called Mike Glennon Mob. Now, you’re being so crafty as to not mentioning the Mob at all once it’s clear Freeman is standing on a stool with a noose around his neck.

    You should credit the Mob for at least something.

  45. Greg Says:

    We will be lucky to win 1 game this year

  46. Eric Says:

    Few GM’s get a sixth year at bat either, especially with the Matt Millen like winning percentage.

    Where’s the damn lasting contender?

  47. Free's A Boob Says:

    Gee, I didn’t realize Schiano was the one missing over 50% of his throws.

    Talk of any team trading more than a day old ham sandwich for Freeman with 13 games left on his contract is nuts.

  48. Buc Neckid Says:

    Freeman cannot throw the Long ball or the short pass.
    Not much left after that

  49. MTM Says:

    Stay the course Glazers. This ownership is the laughing stock of the NFL. The Browns look more promising.

  50. Architek Says:

    Get rid of Freeman ASAP the trade rumors should be real not just rumors! He’s trash of a nfl player and nothing but a backup. This is the last cancer left from the Raheem comedic act. Unfortunately we have become a team full of malcontent and so much free agents and other players will never come here with pay days because of the career risks.

  51. William Says:

    ok I seen enough. Let Josh play next week and then bring on the next quarterback…. What happened to the October 2012 offense????

  52. Patrick Says:

    Bring back Luke McCown!!

  53. MakaveliTheDon Says:


    Its been fun. But this is Tampa. All we know about football is that its always the QBs fault when we lose, and the Defense’s reason that we win.

    Good luck in the next chapter of your football life. And tell your agent that you want an Offensive minded HC. Then you might pull an Alex Smith.


    Dont fucck up Rook.

  54. Bucsnutt Says:

    I’m so sick of seeing this happen week in and week out. I’ve been a Bucs fan for over 3 decades and I just don’t know how much more of this I’m willing to endure. This is the only sport I follow and the only team I’m loyal to, but so many fans spend so much money supporting their team and each week (with the exception of one glorious season over a decade ago) we are subjected to this kinda crap. Add this weekly sideshow to the complete pussification of the game, and it makes me wish we had a more prevalent rugby following here so that I could dedicate my time, enthusiasm, and money to something I could be proud to support instead of always getting the pity sighs when I admit to be being a Bucs fan.
    I love my Bucs, but c’mon!

  55. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Regardless if Freeman is demanding a trade, Dominik should be seeking some compensation for his first pick/failure since it’s seemingly unlikely Freeman is ever to be resigned.

    Minnesota, Jacksonville, Chicago, Cleveland, Houston, or Oakland might be willing to give the Bucs a mid-round pick.

  56. Robbie_G Says:

    They went for the SPLASH of Revis, but forgot there are OTHER places they need help. Freeman has to go, I think they made a bad choice of Schiano, and said it form day 1. Look, the one guy the interviewed has CLEVELAND playing well with a bunch of nobodies. Freeman was never a winner at K stae, and was a COMPLETE reach. Dom is 50/50 at best for every Martin and David, there is a Freeman, My Lew, Benn and others.

  57. Patrick Says:

    Not trading for Alex Smith was proven to be a bad mistake!

  58. buc4lyfe Says:

    delusional you people think changing quarterback will magically solve our problems, i want it to happen so freakin bad just to come here and gloat. PLEASE CHANGE QB’S and watch we have the same results because we have the same dumb coaching staff. You could see it, schiano was quiet as hell and completely calm, he let his coordinators control the game this week and look what happened. Freeman sucks but Sully is a 2nd year coordinator with a limited playbook but yea it’s all freeman’s fault. it’s all freeman’s fault especially when he hands the ball off and martin gets stuffed on the run because two blockers are laying on the ground next to each other looking at him

    when you have revis and you choose to play off TWO rookies with the best cover corner in the game AND your 2nd round draft pick. THEN HAVE JOE COMPLETELY IGNORE IT just to bash the qb as if the defense actually played well….hmmm this playcalling wouldnt even work on madden. worst coaching staff in the nfl

  59. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    “Bring back Luke McCown!!”

    lmao! I remember the Luke McCown Mob back in the day! And the Scott Milanovich mob!

  60. bucrightoff Says:

    A) Who is signing Freeman as their starter next year
    B) He’s gonna get better with worse weapons?

  61. tampa2 Says:

    Hey Raphael – What’s your excuse for Freeman this week?

  62. BKNYfootballhead Says:


    Raphael’s mouth was covering Freeman too well.

  63. Patrick Says:

    Bring back Bruce Gradkowski!

  64. BKNYfootballhead Says:


    Nobody thinks Glennon will solve all the Bucs’ problems, but allowing Freeman’s inept play week in and week out has produced enough results to garner a change.

    You can’t evaluate a player without playing him.

    You can’t win with Freeman, either.

  65. deathaneers Says:

    No more excuses for Freeman Please. THEY have way to much talent on this team to be this bad.

  66. Couch Fan Says:

    Schiano is losing his team and the fanbase. Drastic times calls for drastic measures Schiano. Grow a pair and start Glennon!!!

  67. buc4lyfe Says:

    umm ok your stars are unhappy with the calls and game plan…all these coaches on staff im sure we have a interim head coach, defensive and offensive coordinator here…in fact im positive we do because even if we went after lovie smith he cant be brought on until the end of this season….fire this guy now and start the search right now for next year’s replacement because if you want shake things up with JUST changing quarterback… i bet if that was glennon that threw that dropped touchdown or balls were flying through our players hands you would actually finally blame them instead of the qb

  68. buc4lyfe Says:


  69. OviedoBucsFan Says:


  70. BamBamBuc Says:

    Again with the “way too much talent on this team”…. Who?? What talent? VJ and MW? What happens when one (or both) are hurt? Who’s our #3? Who’s our TE? And our over-paid O-line? Penn gives his guy one push then lets him run around him. Joseph hasn’t been good either. Again, what talent? The D? Sure, they’ve looked pretty good, undisciplined the first couple weeks, but good. Of course, they couldn’t keep it going after the first quarter… why? too tired? We had the ball almost twice as much as the Patriots, they should have been well rested. Couldn’t adjust to Brady and Belichiks offense? Why not? Which CB has stepped up after Revis? What DT is there to spell GMC and Spence? Again, what talent?

    We have a couple play-makers, just like every team in the NFL, but we don’t have NFL caliber players at every position nor do we have depth. That’s what other teams have over the Bucs, it’s not that they don’t have play-makers, but they have better #3 WRs or DT depth or CB depth.

  71. Curmudgeon Says:

    Seriously, Joe… Let’s not even mention playoffs anymore. I felt that way after the atrocious preseason. Let’s see what winning a game is like, and then try to win 2 games in a row. Do not even utter the word. I regret having to use it at the beginning of this comment. It’s not even the point now. They will be lucky to finish 4-12.

  72. Couch Fan Says:


  73. buc4lyfe Says:


    Didnt watch game 4 of the preseason did you? Media from every station, radio and magazine said this guy wasnt ready….put him in i dont care really, im not really saying i care who the qb is but i want change but to think that we should put in this rookie and tank on the season is actually sad. Wanna draft Clowney with the 3rd pick in the draft? why so bill sheridan can make him drop back in pass coverage on 3rd down? the change i want is front office and coaching. i want a veteran head coach, let freeman stay, bring in another veteran and let the 3 of them compete for for starter then make your change. how stupid can you be to be on the sideline watching the game but every week at your press conference you say i have to look at the tape…this staff doesnt learn from obvious mistakes…damn put glennon in because i dont understand how Trent damn dilfer can be a game manager but freeman cant

  74. Upthegut Says:

    Before we drafted JF5, Joe dubbed him BUST IN WAITING. The waiting is
    over, he is officially a bust. Can’t make a play that builds momentum. We were warned NOT to draft him, but Dominick traded up for him. This team was built to win now but it is obvious that we can’t because of no QB, No TE (Stocker should be pink slipped as well) and no receiver depth.
    The most important off season acquisition will be a GM who can evaluate talent. Anyone can sign a high priced free agent, the skill is in putting together a team in which all parts function.

  75. Jordon Says:

    Einstein once noted that “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”. We’ve now seen enough of Josh Freeman to know he is what he is…big, talented, horribly inconsistent and does not have that “fire in the belly” attitude that the top QB’s all display. We will not be a playoff team this year. The Bucs are clearly not deep enough in several key areas on offense and our QB is completing less than half of his passes. Time to see what Glennon has so we can determine if he can lead this team, or if we need to draft a QB early in next years draft! By the way this season has gone so far, we should be drafting in the top 5 and have a shot at a pretty good college QB if Glennon is not the answer.

  76. bucrightoff Says:

    I said it all week. 40 carries and we win. 30 passes and we lose. Josh Freeman is a game manager only from now one. Hand it off, throw on 3rd down and make no mistakes.

  77. BamBamBuc Says:

    And by all means, start Glennon next week. Why not? I personally still think Freeman is the best chance to win, but what’s to lose?

    It’s possible Glennon comes in and we get the win. Is it because of Glennon? or did the WRs simply not drop perfect passes? or play-calling for a rookie QB to simplify things for him when we can’t even call plays for our starter that put him in the best position to succeed (no underneath route? no outlet receiver? can’t run the ball?). Then you have to ask yourself… Is Glennon the best option to win games in the future? If he wins a few this year, would they draft a better QB next year or pass because Glennon won a couple games?

    If Glennon doesn’t win, and we have the exact same issues, now what do you do? Apologize to Freeman and admit it wasn’t his fault and hope he still wants to be your starting QB? I doubt that happens, so now you’re stuck with him.

    We won’t be able to find an adequate veteran replacement next year. All the good QBs are tied up to long term contracts. Flacco, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, etc just signed new contracts. Young QBs are still tied to rookie deals like Wilson, RGIII, Luck, etc. Who do you go get? Or would we be stuck with Glennon, good or not? Freeman won’t be here, so has to be someone else. We won’t be spending a first round pick on a QB if Glennon is decent, but decent doesn’t win games.

    With so many other holes to fill, QB is the last position we should be forcing ourselves into drafting, instead we should be adapting our offense to suit the guys we have and use the draft and FA to finally get the talent around those players, but we won’t be able to do that (again) because we’re stuck in a position of not having a QB.

  78. Couch Fan Says:

    Watch Schiano is gonna Fuk around and let Josh play all season and we will win just enough games to keep us from being able to pick up an elite QBs through the draft… So we get screwed with drafting Freeman then Freeman screws us on the way out… Being a Bucs fan sucks sometimes.

  79. buc4lyfe Says:

    this team is to talented to tank on the season, at the very least we should make everyone fight for their job and decide BEFORE offseason who stays and who goes, including coaching staff. SCHIANO brought in Glennon but wont play him….i doubt were gonna see him after the bye week.


  80. BamBamBuc Says:

    bucrightoff: because run/run/pass has worked so well the first few weeks, right?

    Jordon: Again, we can see if Glennon is the answer, but if he isn’t and we have to spend that pick on a QB, how do we fill ALL the other voids in talent on this team? Remember, we’ll need a DT for depth, maybe another CB, a TE, a #3 WR, probably another O-lineman or two. Once they go Glennon, the Freeman option is over, he will not ever start for the Bucs again and may be traded (if an option is found). If nobody wants Freeman, we’ll lose a QB and not get a draft pick for him to help us replace him. Risky business indeed!

  81. BamBamBuc Says:

    Couch: That’s no different than Glennon coming in and playing just well enough for us to not take one of the top QBs next year. Either way, it’s lose/lose. Commit to Free and you have no idea what you have in Glennon, so skip out on a very good QB class. Commit to Glennon and lose Free, and you still probably don’t know what you’ve got and pass on a pick in a very good QB class. This is why I HATED the Glennon pick. It puts us in a predicament of having a QB from a poor QB class that may do just well enough to make us avoid a good QB class. We should have committed to Free this year, for better or worse, and if it was worse, we would KNOW we needed to take a QB from one of the better QB classes to come out.

  82. bucrightoff Says:

    Run, run pass got us more points than today. I have full faith in Doug Martin.

  83. buc4lyfe Says:

    Your opinion and the media’s opinion of josh freeman isnt what actual coaches think of freeman, why trade for him when you can wait until his contract runs out. think jaguars wouldnt give up alot for this guy….not very many of you watched the game did you. anyone see the replays of dropped 3rd down passes, the dropped touchdown or us going for it on 4th and 13? so what the kicker missed a 47 yarder…. lol you decide not to let him kick again? he was cut from buffalo duh…. for some reason they decide to take the smallest guy in the stadium and spread him out wide and throw deep to him but your looking at the qb when he drops them or cant get separation from a linebacker? lol wow because everyone know’s he’s erratic but to say thats why we lost is just, man its just dumb.

    What kind of defensive scheme puts linebackers on speedy wide outs? this staff refuses to play to a players strength, if you wont agree to him being part of the blame for not understanding the type of player freeman is then whats his excuse for not playing to revis strength? revis island came to tampa and all of a sudden it’s crowded and became survivor with him hoping to get voted off

  84. buc4lyfe Says:

    it’s still the coaches fault for not letting freeman get into a rhythm in the preseason, if your not sure of the guy and what he can do for us then why on earth do you sit him for most of the preseason. We stopped progressing because we are doing the same exact things as last year even if it doesnt equate to wins and thats not a qb thing its a coaching thing. you have to be the dumbest coach in the history of high school, college and professional football to play off of rookie wide outs when you have the best cover corner in the nfl. Freeman is a problem but schiano is a bigger problem

  85. stanglassman Says:

    No Brady drove right down the field with flags from the refs. Nice to get the calls. I wish they would call the game the same way for both teams. Talib’s coverage was the same as Banks neither had their head turned talib had a hand full of jersey and banks glanced the facemask on the way up. Not to mention the 5 yarder auto 1st dn off the ball on David that kept the drive alive. We should play better and overcome the calls but i’m sick of them going against us every game.

  86. PRBucFan Says:

    Lol the same ole long winded posts with the same ole long winded excuses,

    It’s time for a change end of story, no more excuses.

    Anyone can go out there at outproduce Freeman at the rate he is playing.

  87. Tnew Says:

    This hurts. The freeman or Schiano experiment is over. We will be out of the playoffs prior to bye week. Freeman has had some drops but so does every QB that has ever played. The position in this league is defined by three things: Confidence, Consistency and decision making. big guys that can squeeze the ball in the windows are now a dime a dozen. Unfortunately, there is no way to say it any other way than this. Freeman’s play is just sub par. He hasn’t evolved. While we can point to Schiano for putting too much pressure on him…there will be a time, hopefully that the bucs are under a bunch of pressure in a big game. He obviously prefers camp Raheem to Cell Block Schiano.

  88. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    Its gonna take the rest of whats going to be a slow, ugly season for you guys to realize where the real problem lies.

    BUT, its only gonna take the players one more pathetic loss to figure it out.

    And the Glazers already know where the real problem lies. They’re just concerned right now about how to get rid of “the problem” while still giving the fans optimism so that they keep buying tickets and merchandise.

  89. PRBucFan Says:

    And it definitely don’t see it as a “lose/lose”

    l’ll just repost why,

    I’m pretty excited to see who the draft yield aswell as just finally being able to start over and not see Free every sunday. Even the growing pains of a new QB will still be nice cause at least we are finally moving on and starting the active search to find our guy.

    One things for sure, as long as we stick with the wrong guy, we will never find the right guy.

    A win moving on period the way I see it

  90. Lakeland fan Says:

    I am now a member of the Glennon mob.Start Glennon now,,,,,,,,

  91. PRBucFan Says:

    Oh I didn’t know you had such a personal relationship with the Glazers Don that they confided in you these things?

    That’s so awesome! Jajaja …

  92. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    I still believe in Freeman. Just not as a Buc. His coach doesnt want him here, his fans dont want him here, and he doesnt want to be here.

    He’s only 25, he can play for another 7-10 years if he matures, has a solid mentor, and an OC/Offensive headcoach that knows how to bring the best out of him.

    As inconsistent you say he is Joe, He was consistent for an entire season in 2010.. When he was allowed to take control of his team. After that year, I think his ego blew up a bit, with the media jumping on his jock. sheeit he was only 23??, so he’ll have a second coming. when he matures. and then he’ll pull an Alex Smith… just not in Tampa.

  93. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    “I am now a member of the Glennon mob.Start Glennon now,,,,,,,,”

    I get it that Glennons probably gonna start for the rest of the year. But name me the founder of the “Greg Schiano’s Gotta Go” Mob!

  94. Tnew Says:

    For those that think the bucs would receive a bunch for Freeman…think again. We couldn’t get a 4th for him right now.. I promise that. If we could get more, the trade would be made. No hate.. just realism. Watch some games other than the Bucs… there is really a big difference. Just because there are 4 or 5 teams that don’t have a qb as good as Freeman, (maybe) doesn’t mean that he is worth a ton.. I remember arguing that Phillip Rivers was better than Freeman and getting basted on this board…Not even close. I would say that teams that have worse qbs are Jacksonville, Oakland, possibly Tennessee, maybe the Jets, but don’t give me Buffalo, Miami, Houston, Arizona, Cincinnati (can’t believe I even have to mention this one but there are some that free is better than dalton) I hope that somebody throws this post in my face at the end of the season but right now Freeman must run off 3 in a row to make the season interesting. I am hoping. BTW… I am not a member of the Glennon Mob. If that happens, the season will be in such a desperation mode, that we would be hoping for a miracle.

  95. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    PR, “That’s so awesome! Jajaja …”

    oye! its pronounced hahaha… ehh?

  96. PRBucFan Says:

    Let’s stop living in the past 2010? It’s 2013, nearly 2014

  97. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    PR: “I’m pretty excited to see who the draft yield aswell as just finally being able to start over”

    Wow. Septembers not even over yet, and youre already EXCITED about the draft?? The fck kind of fan are you?? What grade are you in?? Cause us adults dont have the patience for a 6-8 year rebuilding process.

  98. PRBucFan Says:

    I’m not even going to go there with you buddy, is getting racey the best you can do?

    Jajaja what a joke, keep the “inside info coming”. I’m loving it!

  99. PRBucFan Says:

    I could give a rats ass what you think buddy.

    Oh my goodness!!!! Don is questioning my fandom!!!!! GASP

    Jajajaja next!

  100. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    PR: “Let’s stop living in the past 2010? It’s 2013, nearly 2014”

    well with your apparent hard on for our next years draft pick, stop living in 2014!

  101. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    Well I give a rats ass of what you think PR……. And I disagree!

  102. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    Gruden! jah jah jah!!!

  103. PRBucFan Says:

    6-8 years of rebuilding cause little Free Free is not that answer?

    Keep the jokes coming buddy

  104. PRBucFan Says:

    Good for you, want a cookie?

  105. DomsAdvisor Says:

    That’s it for Freeman.

  106. PRBucFan Says:

    I’ve wasted too much of my time on you, jajaja, on to greener pastures.

    Don’t forget to keep feeding us that “inside scoop” from the Glazers!


  107. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    and dont play the race card. I loooooooove puerto rican females. and they love me! theyre all over the place here in orlando. but when I make em laugh, I never once heard em say “jah, jah, jah”. thatd be weird.

  108. Adam L. Says:

    Joe titled this blog “josh Freeman’s Ugly Numbers.”

    By now we should just call them “Freeman’s Numbers.”

  109. BamBamBuc Says:

    Yes, let’s move on. We can suffer through 2 years of Glennon, hoping he somehow has as much talent as a guy like Cam Newton to get 5 or 6 wins a year before we draft another QB in another bad QB draft class having missed out on 2014 and suffer for another 4 or 5 years after that in hopes the new guy finally gets it…

  110. TampaTony Says:

    I’ve seen enough of Freeman. He is too inaccurate and I cant remember if I have ever seen him do a 3 step drop answer get the ball out fast. He can’t do it. Too innacurate which is why he holds the ball waiting for the reciever to get open instead of throwing a reciever open.

    I think the recievers are surprised when he does hit them and they are so shocked.they drop the ball!

    The team is a decent QB away from being a winner.

    Give Schiano his QB and lets see what he can do before running him out of town.

  111. BamBamBuc Says:

    Tony: I know, I’ve already forgotten about those 3 step drop slant passes that worked so well early in week 1 against the Jets too.

    I can only hope that if they bench Free that Glennon shows he will never be an NFL QB this year so we don’t miss out on a premium QB draft and settle for another QB from a poor draft class.

  112. TampaTony Says:

    I don’t see how Glennan could do any worse but atleast with him he might improve. Glennan has a more accurate arm than Freeman. That’s a fact. Glennan might make some bad decisions but he has the accuracy to make some great throws too. Plus I guarantee he has a better work ethic and commitment to this team than Freeman does.

    You think Freeman works as hard as Andrew Luck? Doubt it… You think he watches as much film as Drew Brees? Nope. Freeman is a turd late to meetings and practice. You can’t win with a guy like that. Can’t do it! Won’t do it!
    If you wanna crown his ass then go ahead and crown his ass. But we knew who Freeman was and Schiano let him off the hook!! Freeman is who we thought he is!!! Who doesn’t play worth a dam in a preseason game! Freeman is who we thought he is!

  113. mvermulm Says:

    Anyone bashing the coaching staff for this loss apparently did not watch the game. Another game of Freeman staring down receivers, and making late passes that get his receivers drilled or give them little chance to make a play. We passed more than a Schiano team because we were behind, but Free could have taken this opportunity to prove his worth to the staff. Instead, he just did his normal thing. Drops? Sure, he had a couple (typically on rough throws like the rifle to VJ from six yards away with a LB crossing the pattern), but did anyone watch the Dolphins ending today? Tannehill had two dropped passes on the final drive (one that would have gotten a firstdown and one that would have been a TD), yet he managed to continue making smart plays until his team was in the endzone. Freeman just isn’t the guy to do that. I believe it’s the offensive system that doesn’t fit him, but it doesn’t matter. He isn’t our future, so give Glennon a shot to see what we have and move on with the season. It’s a Bucs life alright…

  114. BamBamBuc Says:

    Agreed, fine… start Glennon. But if he does just well enough to bat a team like Arizona or Buffalo and we pass on a QB in the draft next year, be prepared for another 5-10 years of QB futility…

  115. buccanAy Says:

    so Joe, now youre flaming the “freemanites vs the glennon mob”? youre pathetic, just like the majority of these half ass fans are. So c’mon, say it, Glennon should start, he gives us the best chance to win,,is that right? Your opinion blows like the wind….Answer this..does glennon give us a better chance to win?…Yea, Freemans been bad, but how many dropped balls, dropped TD, and called back TD’s does he have… Unfortunately, your fandom has taken a backseat to your HYPE, and “page hit’ show…what a pathetic bunch of fans and media this team has to deal with!

    Joe thanks you for the laughs and your support. –Joe

  116. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    ^^^^^ ok, anybody in here understand just what in the fucck this guy is saying?? like, I get the feeling that he might have the same opinion as me. but his delivery is as choppy and backwards as a MGM hillbilly. so I just dont fucckin know…

  117. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    ok. now I see it….smh. cause I agree with alot of what he says….. dammit, buccanAy! we got this! let us handle this mess!

    I got coloring books in the other room! who wants to color!! woah!! we got markers too!!! needoh!! ok!!! go color!!

  118. SteveK (MGM) Says:

    Keep on yipping and yapping Freemanites, it is ok.

    The Bucs should just move on from mediocrity at the QB position. Freeman completes pass less reliably than a coin flip, and is showing regression.

    When is enough, enough?

    I just want to see the Bucs win. We should draft Johnny Football.

  119. MakaveliTheDon Says:

    SteveK – “We should draft Johnny Football.”

    aaaaaaaand there goes your credibility…