“Challenging Josh Openly”
August 10th, 2013
Bucs icon Ronde Barber was somewhat all over the place when it came to Josh Freeman, during his color analyst work on the Bucs-Crows preseason broadcast.
Barber gushed over Freeman’s skills, saying Freeman was a true MVP candidate before the Bucs’ collapse last season. Then, in nearly the same breath, Barber talked about how much he liked that the Bucs are “challenging Josh openly” to reach a star-quarterback level, and Barber referred to Mike Glennon as true “competition.” Yet Barber went on to say he believes Freeman will get a long-term contract from the Bucs because Freeman has the skills and work ethic to become great. However, Barber also raved about Glennon’s throwing skills and poise in just his first NFL action.
C’mon, Ronde. Tell it to us straight.
Joe’s not ragging on Barber here. The reality is that the state of Freeman is complex with many layers.
Glennon is real competition — for next year, in Joe’s opinion — when the Bucs will have to decide whether they want to pay Freeman around $18 million to $20 million a year to lead the team, or let Glennon take the reigns for $800,000 and use the salary cap money in other areas.
August 10th, 2013 at 4:48 am
Josh is, and has been a fringe starter since we drafted him. I feel like we talk about him in the same light as we used to speak of BJ Upton: “so much potential!” But what I don’t get is why it’s a long contract extension and $18+ mill a year or bust w this guy. Say he puts in an average-plus year at quarterback and we either make or barely miss the playoffs. Why do we have to blow the bank and pay him Brady money when he has his sole good season?! I don’t care if its the going rate.. I personally think we should have signed him this year to a $12-13 mill a year deal and if he decides to continues to find himself at the latter half of the quarterbacks within the next 1-2 yrs, we either trade him or cut him.. At which point, this Glennon guy will probably be ready to take the reigns. I just don’t like this all in move by the Bucs, and personally I think it’ll be another move that proves to bite the Rock Star in the next couple years regardless of what happens this yr.
August 10th, 2013 at 4:51 am
Josh is, and has been a fringe starter since we drafted him. I feel like we talk about him in the same light as we used to speak of BJ Upton: “so much potential!” But what I don’t get is why it’s a long contract extension and $18+ mill a year or bust w this guy. Say he puts in an average-plus year at quarterback and we either make or barely miss the playoffs. Why do we have to blow the bank and pay him Brady money when he has his sole good season?! I don’t care if its the going rate.. I personally think we should have signed him this year to a $12-13 mill a year deal and if he decides to continues to find himself at the latter half of the quarterbacks within the next 1-2 yrs, we either trade him or cut him.. At which point, this Glennon guy will probably be ready to take the reigns. I just don’t like this all in move by the Bucs, and personally I think it’ll be another move that proves to bite the Rock Star in the next couple years regardless of what happens this yr.
August 10th, 2013 at 7:22 am
Joe, first of all Rhonde did a great job for his first time in the booth; he’s articulate and sounded knowledgeable – he even corrected his host on the Bucs interception.
Secondly Rhonde likes Freeman, you could tell by the inferences but at the same time he was honest and said that Josh needs to get off that roller coaster ride of inconsistency; the last game did nothing to demonstrate that 2013 will be any different than 2012, IMHO.
Talent and potential are great for rookies and draft picks but come on now this is Freeman’s fifth year it’s time to step up to the plate and perform. If the Bucs were a baseball time Freeman would have been sent down to the AAA team a LONG time ago.
August 10th, 2013 at 7:25 am
I honestly don’t understand how Freeman can look so good on that back shoulder pass to VJ and then a few plays later overthrow M Williams when MW was wide open!
I don’t understand why Josh chokes. He needs to get his feet moving and out of the pocket like he did in 2010, otherwise the Bucs won’t be in the playoffs and Glennon will get the starters job sooner then everyone expects.
That’s NOT good for the Bucs in 2013
August 10th, 2013 at 7:48 am
I watched that play back of that game last night. Do Freeman threw an incomete pass that was overthrown. Well, Flacco threw a pic. Freeman got sacked….so did Flacco. The problem is that this fan base gets either too giddy (“We’re awesome…”) or too down (“The sky is falling…”). I liked what I saw from Freeman & the other starters.
IT’S PRESEASON!!!
August 10th, 2013 at 7:50 am
Hey was it me or did anyone else see Blount run for 2 TD and 102 yards on 10 carries?
August 10th, 2013 at 7:55 am
@Pete
Flacco threw a ball and Buc’s Gorrer made a great play to get the INT.
Freeman overthrew a WR who was OPEN and Josh had NO PRESSURE; that caused the Bucs to miss a 1st down and settle for a FG
Bucs “back-up” QB, Glennon, kept the play alive in the backfield and managed to hit Crabtree, who is slooooowwww. Glennon on the next drive DID have an INT that was a BAD throw.
Freeman needs to make the easy plays man. You can NOT miss open receivers in the NFL and continue to be a starting QB – UNACCEPTABLE.
Personally I think that coach Schiano needs to keep Freeman playing the ENTIRE first half, just like he did to Bowers. Freeman needs the work and needs to be able to read defenses. QB’s like Brady, Manning, Brees can sit on their laurels but until Freeman actually leads the Bucs to a playoff game get his arse on the field and PROVE he is the man.
August 10th, 2013 at 8:01 am
@Pete- You hit the nail on the head.
@Mr Lucky- I’m not one of those grammar police types, and I apologize if this comes off condescending, but after 15 years, and especially on a Bucs forum, gotta drop the ‘h’ in Ronde..
August 10th, 2013 at 8:02 am
on a completely different note, for all you Blount haters (yes I know it’s the preseason)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000228444/Pre-WK-1-Can-t-Miss-Play-Blount-51-yard-touchdown?campaign=Facebook_videos_blount
August 10th, 2013 at 8:39 am
Mr Lucky Says
“I honestly don’t understand how Freeman can look so good on that back shoulder pass to VJ and then a few plays later overthrow M Williams when MW was wide open!”
He’s not choking. In a recent press conference, while talking about Glennon, Coach Schiano admitted that there are several offensive plays where the quarterback has to release the ball before it develops.
Sometimes the WR either doesn’t get the play right or the defense slows him enough to prevent him from being at the right place at the proper time.
This explains why both QBs had overthrows…and both were probably on very similar plays.
Remember, the defense is on the field as well. They are not just letting the WRs run free. In practice, there is less resistance and the WRs are able to run their routes faster, resulting in deeper receptions on certain plays. In live game action, because there is a true opposing defense, and because that defense varies in methods and results, plays tend to develop a little slower.
This will work itself out as time goes on, because both WRs and QBs will adjust to one another’s timing.
I know, it seems like a roller coaster ride. In some cases it actually is. Just not in as many cases as it would seem.
August 10th, 2013 at 8:41 am
During the plays in question, I would think watching the plays develop for the WR will show the cases where this applies. I recorded the game last night…I’ll try and see if I can spot the reasons for Josh specifically this weekend.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:15 am
JOE,
Is Mike Glennon a threat to Freeman right this instance? Maybe not. But Coaches are raving about how quickly he’s gotten a grasp of the playbook. Were some of his throws due to miscommunication on both Glennons and the WRs ends? Quite possibly, especially the INT where Owusu? just seemed to be on a different page.
Glennon’s college Coach, O’brien, is the same guy who coached Matt Ryan. He came out and raved of Glennon’s football IQ and Simply compared it to that of our rival Atlanta Falcons QB.
Glennon showed excellent poise, pocket awareness, and confidence in the pocket. Under pressure, he didn’t looked rattled with the bullets flying.
And people forget, HE”S ONLY A ROOKIE! Josh is a 5th year vet. Any time your rookie QB seems on par or more accurate on throws than that of Josh Freeman, I’d be scared if I’m Freeman when Glennon gets a grasp on the offense fully. Because quite frankly, Glennon is very bright kid (masters degree in 5 years) with excellent physical tools. Needs some coaching.
Josh to me has those mental lapses and poor pocket awareness against pressure.
What I saw at NC State with Glennon and even Gruden broke it down in his QB camp with him, he loves that he stands tall and will deliver when he’s about to take a lick from the defender and he;ll step right into the throw with no fear.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am
If our defense improves, I expect us to have a very good season 10-6 or so….whether that gets us in the playoffs is another matter. Freeman is good enough to get us there with a good defense. Everything on the future hinges on the money vs. confidence. If Glennon gets an opportunity to gain the confidence of Schiano, Dominick & yes, to some degree the fans, then he has a shot of replacing Freeman next year or the year after if Freeman is franchised.
Shaun King thought we should have already signed Freeman….no way, can’t take that chance with that kind of money.
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
August 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Josh is, and has been a fringe starter since we drafted him. I feel like we talk about him in the same light as we used to speak of BJ Upton: “so much potential!” But what I don’t get is why it’s a long contract extension and $18+ mill a year or bust w this guy. Say he puts in an average-plus year at quarterback and we either make or barely miss the playoffs. Why do we have to blow the bank and pay him Brady money when he has his sole good season?! I don’t care if its the going rate.. I personally think we should have signed him this year to a $12-13 mill a year deal and if he decides to continues to find himself at the latter half of the quarterbacks within the next 1-2 yrs, we either trade him or cut him.. At which point, this Glennon guy will probably be ready to take the reigns. I just don’t like this all in move by the Bucs, and personally I think it’ll be another move that proves to bite the Rock Star in the next couple years regardless of what happens this year.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am
@Tampamac, hey no offense I have a relative who spells it Rhonde, not Ronde as in Barber.
As for the WR and QB on different pages I understand it on timing routes, but the miss by Freeman to M Williams was NOT a timing route it was an overthrow due to Josh just not paying attention/over excited. Most times when QB’s get ‘excited’ their passes are over the receivers heads.
Freeman needs better pocket awareness. Yes he has the skills of that I have no doubt. What I DO DOUBT about Freeman is his mental fortitude and decision making; his performance Thursday night didn’t help me abate those fears.
Enough with the excuses, put Freeman in for a full half and let him play, let’s see if he’s got it or not. The NFC South is no cakewalk, Atlanta improved in the off season, the Saints have their coach back this season and simply put 8-8 won’t be enough to make the playoffs.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:43 am
^^^^ The only reason Shaun King thinks we should have signed him is because he thinks Bucs could have gotten him at a deal similar to Fitzpatricks that of 10-12 million a year. Josh and his agent,ESPECIALLY AFTER STAFFORD’;s deal, will think he’s worth more. So no, Shaun King is an idiot for thinking that. He’s not on the business side of sports and doesn’t belong there thinking that Josh would agree to that. This is coming from someone who actually likes a lot of what Shaun King normally has to say. He’s been right alot in terms on talent evaluations.
August 10th, 2013 at 9:54 am
What I saw at NC State with Glennon and even Gruden broke it down in his QB camp with him, he loves that he stands tall and will deliver when he’s about to take a lick from the defender and he;ll step right into the throw with no fear.
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That’s exactly what we saw from him vs. Baltimore. Dude isnt afraid of taking hits and still delivers nice passes. I’m excited to see this kid develop.
For all the people making fun of him for being so skinny. It sure doesn’t look like his lack of meat affects him very much during games.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:15 am
@ Chris
Yes…..Freeman would be a champion if he had Shaun King’s defense…..as did Brad Johnson & Trent Difler with the Ravens defense.
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
August 10th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Wow, all the love for Glennon, and all the disdain for Freeman. Freeman played against most of the Crows starting defensive players, whereas Glennon played against mostly second and third teamers. Glennon had three quarters of play time compared to Freemans two series. Freeman went 4 for 7 with 34 yds and a FG against the Crows #1s. Glennon was 11 for 23 with 169 yards and one interception against the Crows back-ups. That is not a ringing endorsement that Glennon is a better option than Freeman at this time. You are dillusional if you think that based on this game. If it hadn’t been for the RB’s moving the chains, Glennons numbers may have been worse.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:24 am
what disdain for Freeman? We barely got to see him play. We also have 4 years of his play to judge him from. Nobody is hating on Freeman…. sheesh.
Is your infatuation for Freeman so strong that you cant even accept any compliments to his rookie back up? Glennon played well for his very first action as a professional in the pre-season. He was impressive and since thats all we have of him so far… nothing wrong with giving him his due.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:26 am
As someone who is a real Bucs fan, you seem to act more like just a Freeman fan…. If anyone is showing any kind of disdain for something. It’s you and Glennon.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Is this going to happen everytime I comment on a story that you also commented on. My comment was in direct correlation to what Chris was saying. I know that you and I have had our differences but c’mon I don’t have a crush on everything couch fan.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Your comment is confusing and I’m not sure exactly how to take that last sentence but regardless. This is a blog and most people come here to debate, if you dont want to respond to me then that is your right but… I’m going to respond to you Lol, specially since you spent so much time trying to bash me and call me names the other day. Lol
Not sure why you dont like me so much but you need to get over it, just because we dont agree about Freeman doesn’t mean I’m a bad fan or anything else.
Anyways back to your comment. Why is it you are so adament that Glennon is horrible and Freeman is the future? Glennon hasent proven anything yet, there is nothing wrong with liking his first performance under the lights.
Even you have to admit for a first time rookie his performance was acceptable.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Buc’n Junkie Says:
August 10th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Wow, all the love for Glennon, and all the disdain for Freeman. Freeman played against most of the Crows starting defensive players, whereas Glennon played against mostly second and third teamers. Glennon had three quarters of play time compared to Freemans two series. Freeman went 4 for 7 with 34 yds and a FG against the Crows #1s. Glennon was 11 for 23 with 169 yards and one interception against the Crows back-ups. That is not a ringing endorsement that Glennon is a better option than Freeman at this time. You are dillusional if you think that based on this game. If it hadn’t been for the RB’s moving the chains, Glennons numbers may have been worse.
I find it funny that there is excuses last year that Freeman was in a completely new offense so struggles with communication for a 4th year QB were to be expected.
Here , a rookie QB entering a completely new offense, and yet you don’t have that defense? LOL you guys amuse me some times.
If I turn back the tape to Freeman in his first preseason game, you see the stutter steps in the pocket. the Nerves (something you still see). Glennon looks like a poised confident signal call back there. Looked that way in college. He’s a rookie who myself and many others claim as a bit raw, but has the football iq and physical abilities. Look at his junior year. He looked like a 1st round pick. His senior year, he looked better, but his stats didn’t reflect it. He was working with new WRs, so communication and timing are tough to get in sync over night.
Same thing here. Josh is a 5th year vet working with the same wrs ala Ogeltree and Crabtree. Glennon is new with EVERYONE and has had OTAs and 2 weeks of TC to work with.
Also, I didn’t hear Sully and Schiano raving about how quickly Freeman picked up the offense. In fact, they said he struggled and didn’t seem comfortable/confident last year while learning the system. Glennon? Completely opposite.
Freeman is going to enter the year as the starter no doubt. But as Glennon develops, Freeman better play well because Glennon can be a starter in this league.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am
The only thing we saw of Glennon that was worth noting was his composure.
Not bad for a rookie.
Why we saw of Freeman is more of the same. Nice back shoulder throw, but misses an easy throw and we settle for 3.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am
^^ Never thought about that before but yes that is exactly right. It’s blatent favortism on some fans part. Excusing Freeman for anything he does but yet, a rookie no less, doesn’t get the same fair treatment.
This is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Not the Tampa Bay Freemanites.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I have no doubt that someday Glennon will be ready and probably be a really fine QB, but your disdain for Freeman has you over looking a lot of Glennons mistakes. He’s not ready yet. Freeman is our best option at the moment. Where I agree with you that Glennon looked very poised in the pocket, he also made quite a few mistakes. His first pass to Owusu was thrown behind him in stride, had their been a trailing defender it would have resulted in another INT. Maybe half way through the season Mike will be poised to take over but right now I feel Josh is our best bet going forward. Try giving Freeman some love as much as it pains you to do.
August 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Again I dont remember anyone calling for Glennon to start, with the exception to the normal bone heads. I only heard people being impressed with his first live action.
Freeman is the starting QB. Nobody, not even Robert, has denied this. But I think it’s pretty clear Freeman needs to improve or he will be looking over his shoulder sooner rather than later. Even you can’t deny this logic.
Let’s not talk about inaccurate passes. Freeman has 4 years of tape on inaccurate passes and lots of interceptions. How can you dissect Glennons very first start as you just did but not hold Freeman to the same standard?
August 10th, 2013 at 10:58 am
^^^^ Dude, hes a ROOKIE! We’ve seen/still see Josh Freeman make a lot of those mistakes and he’s in his 5th year. Come on dude. It’s not disdain towards Freeman. It’s the truth of what we’ve seen. He can’t be consistent. You’ve seen it already.
I’m watching the re-run right now. Both completions, 22 and 6 yard completiioons to Ogeltree were crossing routes. A WR running a crossing route should not have to stop for the ball. Freeman doesnt hit WRs in stride.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:01 am
And to put this out there before many jump to conclusions, I’m not raving Glennon as the next great thing. But as he develops, he can be a very good QB in the NFL. Just has the mental toool set that I think Freeman lacks.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:01 am
@Mr Lucky
I just reviewed the play(s) in question. There were two passes in that game to Mike Williams. Both were overthrown. The first one was on a rollout and he had a defender barreling down on him. May have just been throwing it away.
The second time (the one I think you are referring to) was a very obvious miscommunication. I am sorry but there is just no way Freeman just missed him by THAT much. He obviously expected Mike to cut up field and he did not. You could see it in Freeman’s face after the play. Unfortunately this is a result of the option routes by the receivers in this offense.
I don’t know how anyone could determine if Freeman was regressed or progressed in two drives. (One of which was a three and out.)
While Glennon did have some nice throws, he also had some horrific throws as well. The one where he escapes the pocket and gets it to Crabtree was very nice. The pick to Asa Jackson could not have been any worse. My overall impression from Glennon is that he is not ready and instead may have secured a roster spot for Orlovsky this year. (At least initially.) I do support Freeman but I don’t hate Glennon. This is just my honest opinion.
Again, this was not only “just a preseason game” it was “just the FIRST preseason game”. Both Freeman and Glennon can, should, and will show improvement over the next three games.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:07 am
^^^ that’s how I feel also
August 10th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Agreed. Nobody should be down on anybody after this first game. Everyone make some mistakes. It’s to be expected. I’am also on record of saying that I felt good about Freeman’s light workload for the night.
The score was extremly misleading as the Ravens only lit up our 3rd and 4th stringers and did absolutely zilch against our 1st stringers.
I’m excited and ready for more.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:19 am
^Rain doesn’t help throwing the football either. Not an excuse, but it’s pretty much a point in the game you favor the run. Any of you trying throwing a wet football in game action?
Look, I’m rooting for Josh. He’s going to start no matter. But as things progress and Glennon get’s better, and we continue to see SIX FLAGS, don’t be surprised if things change after the bye week. I just have a hard time seeing consistency with Freeman. I think he’s always going to be that up and down QB who lacks decsiveness in his throws.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am
what’s really frightening to me, is our special teams. Our 1st and second team really dominated the opening half until things went south. Our special teams giving up big plays and TOs?
Also worried about Bowers. Dude looked horrible against the 1s and 2s. Just was invisibile the entire half.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:25 am
^^ Special teams could end up being the difference in a lot of close games. It was simply terrible in that game.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:25 am
^^^^I agree about special teams and I might add, I’m concerned about lack of depth on the d-line. I have a feeling Dominik will be trolling the waiver wire before the season starts.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Brandon Graham from Philly could be available. I would love for Dom to make a move for him.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am
I was really excited about Graham when he came out in the draft. Could be worth a look if that happens.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Bottom line is we did not get enough time to evaluate Freeman at all during the 2 series to see if he has improved in his 2nd year offense. Of course people are going to say, we’ve seen enough over the last 4 years and lump that with the 2 series and say same ole Josh. Which to me makes them look foolish at this point. The Times sports page has an article about Schiano on Freeman. It could not be more obvious which QB he likes more after studying the film. I thought Glennon played well for his first time out. I will give you my 1 pre-season game evaluation on the 2 QB’s though and take into account what Schiano has said.
My evaluation, Freeman has nothing to look over his shoulder and worry about in Glennon. It’s all too early to tell anything from a fans perspective. So go rewatch the taped game if you like and come to the conclusion that Josh overthrew Williams so MY Bucs settled for a FG, and it’s same ole Josh. Meh what’s it going to do for you? BTW Schiano also said on the sack, that there was nothing else for Josh to do but take it. I think we will all get a better perspective as the pre-season goes on. Especially if Glennon gets any snaps against another teams 1st string, but I don’t see that happening. Hopefully he will get reps in practice against the 1st string D. Maybe he already has. I don’t know, but I do know I trust in Schiano to make the right call when and if the time comes to put Glennon in.
As far as Glennon goes, he impressed me enough to want to see a lot more of him in pre-season whether it be against 1st, 2nd or, 3rd teamers. Hell Webb was on the practice squad for a year under this offense and look how that turned out Thursday. Glennon played well and has good poise in the pocket for it being his first time under this offense.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:41 am
And another thing, if Freeman sucks it up out there whether it being pre-season or regular season. I’ll say so. I think Junkie will too. I won’t sit here and make excuses for this and that all season long over Freeman. I think Junkie won’t either. Am I right Buc’n Junkie?
August 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am
^^ Agreed.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Buc1987, it’s not that any of us are out there saying Glennon is currently challenging Freeman right now. But if we still see the same inconsistent and struggling Freeman going into the season, which we’ve seen before, what Glennon’s film in college, his play in TC and pre-season, has shown what’s not to like about him if he had to come in? He doesn’t seem scared or rattled under pressure.
He’s still a rookie so the struggles will be there. I mean look at Russell Wilson. He struggled the first 6-8 weeks or so until he adjusted and simply got better. Glennon has drawn rave reviews from many coaches and scouts, even ask Ronde. However, hes not there at the moment to start. Learning a completly new offense and adjusting to the NFL, however he seems pretty good so far.
As he progresses over the next 4 weeks, could make a lot of difference if we’re seeing a struggling Josh going into the bye week.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:48 am
The one thing I’m ticked is, Bowers looks horrible. I mean, against back ups, he gets no penetration. Is it pre-season? Yes. But he needs to be the best one out there. not look invisible.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Agreed Buc1987, I have stated that before. If the coach benches Freeman, then I will rally for the next QB up.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@Chris
In Bowers defense, he was playing out of his natural position most of the game. He played in McCoys position in the middle and he showed that he definitely needs to work on the three technique.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:57 am
The thing to remember with Bowers is that he was moved to the three tech spot in that game. I can’t tell when but I am guessing it was as soon as Gerald left. Seeing as that was probably his first time, ever, lining up at the three tech spot, I am not that worried. I think Clayborn would be better in that situation anyway.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:58 am
^^^ That is true, but at DE, I saw him get stoned and wasn’t getting any push the first few drives before kicking inside.
I hope he can transition to full time starter, but Schiano, in a nice way, openly stated wants him to step up. That’s saying he’s a dissapointment so far.
August 10th, 2013 at 11:59 am
As I’;m watching the game here, a lot of our camp stars, like Melvin, who are rookies, are making rookie mistakes. If Melvin turns his head there, it’s an INT.
August 10th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I hope he can transition to full time starter, but Schiano, in a nice way, openly stated wants him to step up. That’s saying he’s a dissapointment so far.
^^^ correct
August 10th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Good grief, Glennon’s footwork is as bad as Freeman’s. Put that anchor leg with a slightly bent knee. In a cast, chances are they would be more accurate. Since Glennon is v slow and Freeman refuses to run. Tom Brady almost stand’s straight up and all his in the pocket passes look exactly the same. Perfect form
August 10th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
The only thing I question is If Bowers isnt even able to be a full time DE yet, why are we putting him at a different spot? Learning 1 position is hard enough but 2 when your not even fully accustomed to starting in 1 spot yet?
Seems like that change would only slow his develoment.
August 10th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
development*
August 10th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Yes, Bowers needs to find a way to get into beast mode. I’m not happy with his play in this game. Made a couple of plays but for the most part was not very disruptive. I think he’ll get there. By the time the season starts and Clayborn is back on the other side I think it will light a fire under Bowers to perform. If not…well, we’ll be drafting a DE in the first round next year.
August 10th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
@ Bobby If not…well, we’ll be drafting a DE in the first round next year.
or possibly QB stay tuned.
August 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
There is absolutely NO WAY we draft QB in round 1 next year. ZERO CHANCE. If they give up on Freeman they will go with Glennon. That’s why they drafted him.
August 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
@Bobby
If they give up on Freeman that means we are down to just 1 QB with any kind of potential. Drafting a QB in the 1st isnt all that crazy.
August 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Yep. According to Barber they like Glennon. Hes still raw, but I really do think he;ll regress into a starter if not here, somewhere in the NFL. He’s not just a big armed inaccurate QB. He does anticipate well and is pretty accurate. His WRs were very raw last year and balls that hit them in the hand were dropped.
August 10th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
There would not be the Glennon/Freeman debate if honestly, going into the game, we’re either going to see a good performance by Josh or a performance that makes Sanchez serviceable as an NFL Starter. Those are things I;m sick of seeing. He’s either very good or down right horrific.
August 10th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Chris, you don’t regress into a starter…you ‘progress’ into a starter. ;>)
I like what I saw out of Glennon. I think the Bucs do to. I still believe Freeman will step up and be the QB they need him to be but if not I think Glennon will be that pocket passer they are looking for.
August 10th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
^^^ you know what I meant Bobby. haha Ipad typo so my bad. Yeah, from what I saw from Glennon in college, read 1st round talent/pick in my mind. The inexperience around him really hurt him senior year, as the same did with Matt Ryan at BC. I really look at those two and I just see many similarities except Glennon has a stronger arm.
August 10th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
And it’s not that I’m not rooting for Josh, it’s just that I’ve seen enough of him and compare him well to Jason Campbell. A guy who you don’t know what QB will show up. The talent is there but there is just too much inconsistency to be the guy.
Josh isn’t just one of those QBs that you can honestly say”ehh it’s just preseason, he’ll get it together come reg. season”. Based on his resume of the past 4 years, preseason is something he cannot struggle in. Flacco struggled , sure, but hes got 3 AFC title gamess and a Super Bowl to back it up. Josh? He’s described as an enigma/six flags, etc.
Sorry I just need to see improvement in preseason to feel somewhat confident it can carry over in the reg. season
August 10th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
@ Couch….they may draft a QB but NOT in rd 1.
August 10th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Bobby,
If Teddy Bridgewater, AJ McCarron, or Aaron Murray are there for us in the 1st round, and we have a to 20 pick (no playoffs), then we very well may take a QB, if it is BPA.
BPA is the new Schiano way, no more reaching for picks, or pidgeon holing ourselves into a lesser talent.
August 10th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Agreed
August 10th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
@couch, call em like you see em pal!
@buc1987, this is what I see. Freeman’s going into his 5th season. But others and yourself think he needs more reps to see how he’s improved in the new offense? Please, he missed a simple throw that maybe cost us 4 points. The culprit wasn’t the 2nd year offense, he just didn’t make the play when he needed too. It’s the same guy you’ve seen in his prior 56 starts.
August 10th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
The thing that pisses me off about these preseason games is the lack of playing time for the starters.
I’m sorry but two series for Josh Freeman is not enough. If he put up Brady numbers or was Peyton Manning sure 2 series and out.
Freeman NEEDS to get the time right with his receivers. He NEEDS better pocket presence. As to the argument about getting hurt well this isn’t intermural football. Keep Freeman in the entire first quarter and first half in preseason game 3, then rest him for game 4.
Sorry but until the Good Josh shows up continually I’m a skeptic and that sucks because with the defense upgrades I really expect the Bucs to be in the playoffs this year – anything less is unacceptable.
August 11th, 2013 at 12:19 am
@ Biff Barker.. culprit? WTF are you talking about culprit being in the 2nd yr offense. I meant what I said. YOU can’t evaluate anything by those 2 series and lump them together with his past starts. Of course YOU can though, it’s that easy for you right? Whatever?
Couch Fan says :
I’am also on record of saying that I felt good about Freeman’s light workload for the night.
@Biff Barker…you agree with Couch Fan but I make no sense, which means essentially you make no sense to me.