After Further Review …

August 17th, 2013

Demar Dotson is the lead dog in the right tackle competition, Greg Schiano said today. Joe’s got highlights of his other day-after postgame takes.

Greg Schiano addressed media this afternoon at One Buc Palace and offered highlights and insights following film study of the Bucs’ Friday-night loss at New England.

Here are head coach notes and quotes:

* Pass “protection errors” hurt the Bucs’ first-team offense.

* Mechanical errors were an issue on defense. Apparently, the helmet “device” used to communicate plays was malfunctioning when Tom Brady was in the game. (How the hell does the billion-dollar NFL machine continue to have these issues?)

* Regardless of Brady’s precision, defensively, “you don’t give yourself a chance when you don’t execute.”

* “Special teams was a plus.”

*  The Bucs were more physical” than in last week against the Ravens.

* Mike James and Peyton Hillis were given high marks, as was the blocking in front of them.

* “Demar Dotson’s having a very good camp. He’s our starting right tackle.” …”He’s performed very well. I think Demar’s going to be really solid.” Schiano went on to say Dotson is battling some sort of leg injury and Gabe Carimi is still learning the system.

* Kicker Derek Dimke has been impressive on various levels.

67 Responses to “After Further Review …”

  1. Couch Fan Says:

    So if there was communication issues, how can you execute if you can’t even communicate?

    Glad its only pre-season game 2. Lots of time to get all these things worked out.

  2. Sneedy16 Says:

    Yes I knew something was up with the linebackers. They were out of position a lot leaving people wide open. Like the 3rd and short play when the running back was by himself in the flat, and linebackers cover receivers. They really need to fix this issue with hand signals just in case it happens again.

    On that note can’t wait to see how Revis handles Amendola on the next go around. he was way too quick for Leonard Johnson and was beating him easily.

  3. bucsnbeer Says:

    Get a real IT department or something.. Christ!!

  4. delson Says:

    Huh p a s s protection

  5. Pete 422 Says:

    Pass protection errors, no kidding.

    Now I know why the D didn’t seem to know what they were doing.

    I’m curious what Dimke’s range is. I’d like to see them line him up for a 45-50 yarder.

  6. bucrightoff Says:

    Only thing that matters is Doug Martin is ok. And I’d like to go with Dimke as kicker.

  7. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    I know one thing for sure. When we play NE again someone needs to hand fight and jam Amendola at the line. He had a clean release everytime and burned us practically by himself. Take out Amendola and force Braidee somewhere else. These guys are unproven and if we can press our will they will make mistakes.

  8. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Blah blah blah.. we sh*t the bed

  9. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    ^^^^ I Makes me wanna go all Denny Greene on them!

    “They are who we thought they were”


    lol BucsfaninChina !!!!!!! GOOD MORNING !!!!!!!

  11. FlBoy84 Says:

    Anybody get a quote from Stroud regarding Schiano’s comments on Dotson?

  12. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    ^^^ You can bet Stroud will make some noise over it if he hasn’t already. I hope Joe will get us some sound bites.

  13. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I did notice one play in particular on the first series where Lavonte David was motioning towards our sideline, as if he couldn’t hear the defensive call (at the time, I thought he meant to hurry up with the call). It is pretty amazing that they still have issues with that kind of thing. I could be mistaken, but I am almost positive it has nothing to do with a mistake by us. I worked video for the Pro Bowl this year, and a guy literally started yelling at me for my wireless mic, as he didn’t think I had clearance to have a wireless device (which of course I did). He was telling me that could interfere with the signal coming into the players. He had to look it up, and you should have seen how many different frequencies were assigned – literally pages full. All it would take is for one person to “accidentally” go on the wrong frequency, and they could mess up everything. I don’t see any reason why the NFL doesn’t just go bluetooth (or something similar) to avoid something like this happening.

  14. Chris Says:

    So mark Sanchez has come off hot and looks harp this preseason and he hasno where near the weapons we have. He looks like he wants the no nd runs away with it.

  15. Pete 422 Says:

    Hawaiian that is one of those “duh” type situations. We all have them in our given industries.

  16. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    That’s a great observation Hawaiian. Who would no better than an audio/video Tech. Bluetooth is only device to device. You know you might want to try to market it. Good ideal!

  17. BamBamBuc Says:

    Pass protection was ugly. If we don’t get Nicks and Joseph back healthy, it could mean bad things this year. They even struggled in run blocking, and it showed with Martin in the game. Whatever happened to the reports we were rolling Freeman out more in practices? I haven’t seen it at all. I understand why they took him out after such a small snap count, don’t want to risk him getting pummeled in the second preseason game with a patchwork line. Maybe they should have rolled him out a couple snaps to see if that would have been better.

    I understand how there could have been confusion if the helmet receiver was out on defense, but it doesn’t change what happens on the actual play. They may not have been set for the snap as they should have been, but once the ball is snapped, they should know where they’re supposed to be, which gap to fill, which receiver to cover, etc. Even if they just go base defense, due to lack of communication, they still know what to do when the ball is snapped. Anyone wonder if this is the Patriots “testing” a new way of cheating? Cut the communications for a play or two, run hurry up, correct “communication issue” before the series is over so they don’t have to pay the penalty of turning off their communication devices? I mean, it was their stadium…

    And to the comment about “press” coverage… there is a high probability they didn’t use actual press coverage intentionally. We play them again in a few weeks, and as much as we can give away tendencies in coverage (like “bites on double moves”, or “jumps the slant, run the sluggo”, etc), wide receivers learn DBs press techniques. They learn how to beat certain DBs press moves. This is preseason, why use things we want to work in regular season (unless, like the roll-out for Freeman, it’s to prevent injury from pummeling).

  18. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    That all makes perfect sense!

    And Yes press Amendola, delay his spot next game.

    I just had a thought and made my self laugh

    If the whole plan last night was to not show our hand and appear suckie.

    I think we thoroughly convinced them… LMAO!!

  19. Couch Fan Says:

    If the whole plan last night was to not show our hand and appear suckie.

    I think we thoroughly convinced them… LMAO!!

    I been thinking the same thing last night. That could also be the same reason Nicks was held out. That could explain quite a few things. Would be silly to give New England to much info about us

  20. Sneedy16 Says:

    @Buc’n Junkie

    They didn’t even play the starters the whole first series on defense. Did anyone notice Goldson, Banks, Lavonte, and McCoy left halfway through the first series. The only ones left was Clayborn, Barron, and Foster and I think that was because the couldn’t get them out fast enough with the Patriots running the hurry up. Clayborn was coming off the edge and McCoy was collapsing the pocket, but Amendola was open in less than 3 seconds.

  21. Pete 422 Says:

    Remember when the Lions went 4-0 in the preseason & 0-16 in the regular season.

    Also the Redskins won a Super Bowl after going 0-4 in the preseason.

    Some perspective

  22. Buc'n Junkie Says:


    I recorded the game on my dvr. I’m going to upload to my computer where I can watch it again. I will be capable of pause, rewind, forward and zoom in and out. I will study it and get a better perspective of what went on with the offensive line. The only sucky thing is I can only see Freeman and the line but I can’t see the receivers.

  23. chris Says:

    Pete 422 Says:
    August 17th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
    Remember when the Lions went 4-0 in the preseason & 0-16 in the regular season.

    Also the Redskins won a Super Bowl after going 0-4 in the preseason.

    Some perspective

    I dont think anyone cares who wins or loses the games. It’;s about seeing your 1st team and main contributors look like crap.

  24. Sneedy16 Says:

    Yeah that was the only issue. You can see the receivers during the game so you will not know it if they are open or not. I DVR it and watched this morning again.

  25. Free's A Boob Says:

    Bottom line, as always, Free’s a Moron Poor Rah, where is he getting his man love

  26. Illuminati Says:

    @ Pete 422

    I’m curious what Dimke’s range is. I’d like to see them line him up for a 45-50 yarder.

    Dimke made a 45-yarder in the Ravens game. I know he made 48, 49, and 52-yarders in college.

    I don’t think he has a particularly strong leg, but he’s pretty accurate.

    But then, what do you want from a kicker? He’s just there to try to reclaim a few points for the offense’s failure to score a touchdown.

    If a team has to depend on kicking long field goals to score points, the problem isn’t the kicker.

  27. Buc'n Junkie Says:


    Back in the yonder years they didn’t have the hovering cameras, so everything had to be shot from a distance. The advantage of that on tv was that you could see the entire play as it happened including the receivers. The drawback was that you couldn’t hardly see the ball, or read the names on their jerseys. Of course you needed a tv bigger than 12 inches too!


  28. Buc1987 Says:

    Look at the picture of the 2 shaking hands at the end of the game. One skill that I believe that I’ve always had was being able to read people’s facial expressions. Now I think Bill is saying or said to Greg something along the lines of you sly dog, you didn’t show your cards at all. I’m not typing this or thinking this to cushion the blow of what I saw last night. It is what I’m thinking. I didn’t like the fact of practicing against them or playing against them in pre-season prior to the week 3 regular season game in the first place. Some of you liked the idea. Not me as I stated on a thread 3 days before the game was even played last night. Seriously did that look like the 1st team that played against the Ravens? (which btw is NOT on the Bucs regular season schedule) I think Buc’n Junkie is right. I think we flopped on both sides of the ball for a reason. Meh some may call it an excuse. I don’t care what you call it.

  29. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Hey ..where you been agent 87? .. 🙂

  30. delson Says:

    Buc n junkie think u can send that thru email?

  31. Buc'n Junkie Says:


  32. Buc1987 Says:

    @Buc n Junkie….reading comments and pondering…lol

  33. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    What’s that delson?

  34. Buc1987 Says:

    lol agent 87

  35. delson Says:

    The g a m e

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    The entire game thru an e-mail?

  37. grif4foozball Says:

    No,it doesn’t matter who wins or loses preseason games, duh,usually the final score has nothing to do with your starters we all know that so stop posting about that senseless bullshit but when your starters are being badly outplayed you do have something to worry about.YOU PLAY LIKE YOU PRACTICE.And I’m so glad this is Free(wo)man’s last hoorah.

  38. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Most emails only allow up to 5 megs maximum. The game is 3 hours long recorded in Matroska Media Container format and its around 7.5 gigs. Even if I broke it down to 5 meg zip files it would take 1500 emails to get it to you.


  39. delson Says:

    Lol its cool

  40. Gus Numbers Says:

    The ass(no typo) protection still is a major problem. I hope it doesn’t carry over to the season

  41. Buc'n Junkie Says:


    Yeah I know what you mean back in the day they would have made them wear iron chastity belts. lol

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    Junkie…I decided around last week that I’m going to try to comment a little less on here anyways. Because what good does it do anyways? Schiano has the final say. There is nothing you, I or anyone else in here can do about it. I know one thing I learned from the live chat thread last night. There are still MANY fair weather fans of MY Bucs. It’s almost downright disgusting actually.

  43. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Demar Dotson may be having a good camp, but he had a horrible game last night.

    I think Schiano was trying to boost confidence in him.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Yes Gus but no Nicks or Joseph. Still there was no excuse for that, but it could have been just what Couch, Junkie and I suggested. A total on purpose flop. Even though it did not appear so. I think that’s what we saw last night. It sure does not do them any good if they are trying to sell tickets though.

  45. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Buc1987, I’m more confused than ever with you. First you start a list of Josh supporters, brag about supporting the team, then you assume the worse last night and today, and now you are back to all positives again.

    Please…pick a side and stay with it because it’s a bit disorienting.

  46. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Ah! That’s to bad. I thought you would be more resolute on rallying the troops.

    Don’t let them get you down dude.

    The bad ones do not know what they say for they only repeat what they have been told.

    sheep ….and all those sheep need a herder and You were doing so well uniting everyone. Hang in there!!!

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai…like I said earlier I’ve been pondering

  48. Buc1987 Says:

    I was just as disgusted by what I saw last night as everyone else. It takes a little while for me to figure it all out though.

  49. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Oh by the way, could someone interpret what Gus said cause I had no ideal. I replied back with some ramble like it sounded like he did.

    evidently 87 must have understood his code … help me out?

  50. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    That’s cool 1987 I want give any crap about it.

    Personally, I’ve been do a lot of Freemanizing.

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    I can’t find the thread where I was quoting some Freeman basher but forgot to put it in quotations…and Andrew 1 thought it was me saying it. Perhaps Bonzai you thought I said that too. I fired back at the idiot. Can’t remember which day it was last night or today. Trust me I went through the crap years too. I believe in Freeman still. I also trust in Schiano, but he is a tough nut to crack.

  52. Buc1987 Says:

    Junkie he purposely left the p in pass protection out to read ass protection as in they sucked ass at it.

  53. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Oh Ok! ..For as smart as I always think I am I can be so dumb. lol.

    He should have done it like this (P)ass protection

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    Damn it all I can’t find that thread

  55. Buc'n Junkie Says:


    I agree, we need better protection going into the season.

  56. Buc1987 Says:

    Don’t worry it took me a bit too Junkie.

  57. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Hey, catch you guys tomorrow. My lady just lit a candle. That’s like turning on the red light in my house. ..adios

  58. Buc1987 Says:

    lol yeah I’m out now too seeing how I can’t find that damn thread….still

  59. PRBucFan Says:

    First Sully was conspiring against Freeman and now we have the kind of team that flops?

    Lol Y’all have a right to your opinion that’s for sure.

    Wish NE would have “flopped” for us too :/

  60. Andrew 1 Says:

    bucs fans… support your starting QB. that is all.

  61. PRBucFan Says:


    I just spent tons of time scouring the threads for that post you mentioned so i could post it as proof on your behalf.

    I specifically remember when that happened cause I did a double take when I initially read it lol.

    Ill keep looking for you jaja.

  62. BamBamBuc Says:

    I wouldn’t say anyone “flopped”. Perhaps things were just too “vanilla”. Very little creativity or adjustment. Even when Glennon came in, the protections were not good. Looked like “base” plays with few adjustments. Kind of a “don’t audible, just run the play as is”. The intent would be to see the guys “execute” which they didn’t do very well. They obviously need to work on better execution no matter the circumstances or adjustments of the D. It’s amazing how much a D can pick up on audibles and adjustments to protections after playing a game and watching film. That’s why division games are so much more difficult and so much more important. It does mean something when they say “familiar with a team”. Well, playing “vanilla” in pre-season when it doesn’t count anyway is one way to minimize familiarization.

    At the very least, we can now expect and be ready for the pace the Patriots will use. They can put in automatic base defenses if the call can’t get in in time for the snap and the defenders can be ready quicker. What they won’t know is what Nicks and Joseph can do and how much better protections can be when those guys are in and adjustments are made.

    Not a “flop”, just a glorified practice against an opponent we will see when it counts soon enough.

  63. Andrew 1 Says:

    we got to trust and believe that whoever our coaching staff puts out there at QB that its the right thing to do.

  64. PRBucFan Says:


    I FOUND IT lol, here it is

    Buc1987 Says:
    August 17th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Start Glennon. It’ll be better than wasting a season watching another Freeman abortion.

    Unless your name is Greg Schiano there’s nothing you can do about it.

    You just forgot the quotations lol

  65. MadMax Says:

    For the guys wanting video of this game….I signed up to “nfl preseason live” for 11 bucks the day before this game #2….you can also watch all of the other preseason games, plus rewind the plays like a dvr.

    11 bucks :/

  66. RCS Says:

    I Think Spence may have been the best player on D this game, on the second play he thew the center out of the way and almost got to Brady, and then later he sniffed out the screen play, and even on the Brady TD pass, he was in the face of Brady and was held and pulled down, if it wasn’t for the hold he would have gotten to the QB.
    This Kid is going to be a good player

  67. grif4foozball Says:

    @andrew and I guess that when someones pissing down your back and telling you it’s raining that”you got to trust and believe”that it’s raining,get real.