Trade Down And Stockpile Defensive Talent

April 24th, 2012

Candid former Bucs tight end and current Buccaneeers Radio Network analyst Dave Moore threw a bucket of cold water on the idea of the Bucs drafting Trent Richardson this morning during the Ron and Ian Show on WDAE-AM 620. Moore said Richardson is a not a running back that will take over a football game and the Bucs can get the back they need later in the draft.

Moore would like to see the Bucs trade down and address linebacker and secondary in a big way. He also weighed in on the culture change of the Greg Schiano regime and more. Click to listen below:

30 Responses to “Trade Down And Stockpile Defensive Talent”

  1. Josh Says:

    I know this is a stretch, but go with me. I was looking on the Buc store at the new jerseys, and I thought of something. The only player jerseys they are selling at this time are Freeman, Jackson, Williams and BLOUNT. Blount’s jersey is not available on, but is on the Buc’s site. Might be reading too much into it, but I checked out another team’s store. The Eagles have SIX different player jerseys for pre-order. Sounds to me that the team is making a statement so far that the only players that WILL be starting for sure are Freeman, Jackson, Williams and BLOUNT.

  2. Thinker Says:

    Another busy Bucs fan …

  3. Jrock(mobile) Says:

    Yeah budday – Moore and myself are on the same page. If Claboirne isn’t there then we’re not wasting a high pick on a RB or another Olineman. Get more picks, and get more holes filled. We have GAPING holes at LB and Safety, no depth at TE or RB. It just makes sense if our guy isn’t there at 5

  4. jvato24 Says:

    I buy what this guy is Selling … Dominik has said a time or 2 after a draft happens is they like to go Offense in FA and hit Defense Hard in the draft to build the Defense.

    The Bucs have right now 13 picks in the next 2 drafts … It wouldnt surprise me to see 9 Defense and 4 Offense .. Defense heavy next 2 or 3 seasons.

  5. Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    I agree we need depth in Tampa, but we also need game changers too.

  6. thibs5599 Says:

    More and more talk about drafting a linebacker with the first pick, either if we trade down or stay at #5. Take Kuechly, get the best linebacker in college football over the past 3 years, as well as the best coverage MLB in college football ever. He is a Schiano type of guy 100% and what better player to start off the Schiano draft Regime.

  7. Adam Says:

    What is it about this general manager that makes you think he is any good at finding talent in the later rounds?

  8. Jordon Says:

    Here’s the way I think the first few rounds of the Draft will shake out for Tampa:

    1. Trent Richardson – RB
    2. Janoris Jenkins – CB
    3. Lavonte David – OLB

    If this is the way it happens….I would be ECSTATIC!!!!!!

  9. kh Says:

    Takes two to tango, really doubt anyone is going to be looking to move up to #5. I’m with Palowski, trade up get Richardson and ensure an impact player that will have a big affect on our offense. That and it will make Joe’s head explode.

  10. deminion Says:

    no thanks just draft BPA

  11. thegregwitul Says:

    I think defense will be the focus during the draft with a couple potential scenarios unfolding:

    scenario 1: Draft Claiborne in the first, Lavonte David or Janoris Jenkins in the second, and LaMichael James in the third.

    scenario 2: Draft Kuechly in the first either at #5 or via trade down (although I don’t see the team trading down lower than at #10 with Buffalo, who may have interest in Gilmore or Kalil if available) select either Janoris Jenkins or Lavonte David in the second round and target RB in the third.

    scenario 3: Draft Trent Richardson in the first, either David or Jenkins in the second and target LB or safety in the third.

    In any event, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dom doubled up like he did in the last two drafts either at LB with Kuechly and David or at corner with Claiborne and Jenkins. In my opinion, I think it would be safer to go with either LB/CB or CB/LB in the first two rounds and grab a RB/S in the third and fifth round, filling multiple holes. I don’t know if the team needs to spend two high round picks on the same spot, unless it’s at LB. I think one CB is fine for now.

    I think the Bucs are expecting Richardson to be taken by Cleveland, and are watching to see what Minnesota does with the third pick. If the Vikings take Claiborne it really opens the door for the Bucs to consider drafting Kuechly, although they may very well value another CB over Mo, as the draft is deep at CB (at least in terms of first round graded talent). I don’t think Kalil is as high on their draft boards as he is for those of us playing/grading from home. I’m really looking forward to the draft to see how this plays out.

  12. 941Buc Says:

    I always enjoy hearing from Dave Moore. His comments about a “culture change” really give me hope for this season. I agree 100% we should trade down.

  13. Bobby Says:

    @Adam..who said anything about later rounds? You generally don’t trade out of the #5 spot to pick up late round picks.

  14. thomas 2.2 Says:

    Dave Moore knows football, he is one of the ex-players whose opinions carry substantial weight – like Brooks, Lynch etc.

    Moore is absolutely correct, if T Rich is gone and you are able, trade down and obtain extra picks because there is just not enough value by adding a man corner in a traditional 4-3 defense at #5.

    Tony Dungy, Herm Edwards, Bill Polian will all tell you – at #5 you dont draft a corner in a 4-3 defense where you play considerable zone – it is a wasted pick. Generally, you prioritize players who score touchdowns (QB, WR and RB mostly) to be followed by players that pressure the QB and then protect the QB, then you look for front 7 defensive players (LBs etc) – lastly, you acquire players who create turnovers (Safeties and Corners).

    #5 is a premium pick – drafting a very good cover corner like Mo Claiborne is not great value for the position – unless you are rex or rob ryan-like in defensive scheme. My understanding is that Schiano is a 4-3 traditionalist – meaning much time will be spent in zone (how much is a matter of variables such as down and distance etc).

    If you want to keep up with NO, ATL and Car – you need to score points, and a lot of them. Adding a good corner who is going to sit in a zone covering territory with instincts more than anything is not great value for the pick.

    Why do you think that Eagles want to dump the Asante Samuel salary? Not worth the $.

  15. Ryan Says:

    WHY WOULD YOU TRADE UP!? Please people stop with the nonsense. We have a starting running back and there is enough depth in this draft at RB you’d be an idiot to trade up. We need the picks we have to address LB CB S. Our O has had a big upgrade through free agency and now it’s time to get some D to get the offense back on the field as quick as possible. I personally could easily see us trading down or even just picking up LB Kuechly or S Barron over anyone in the first round except Claiborne. I could even see us passing up on Claiborne for one of those 2 players. Trading up is almost as stupid of an idea as us drafting Kalil haha that makes me rotflmao. I have confidence in BUC NATION to make the right decisions for our future

  16. Brandon Says:

    What’s the deal with you guys agreeing with Moore with a specific caveat? IF Richardson isn’t there we should trade down? STUPID!!!! Moore just completely dismissed your beloved Richardson as a prospect that SHOULD be taken at #5 and you guys are agreeing with him…but only IF Richardson isn’t there.

    Who cares if he’s there? He’s a RB. Who led the league in rushing last season? Jones-Drew. Where was he drafted? Round 2. What was his team’s record? 5-11. Get a clue. Richardson is NOT going to fix the problems on this team.

    Trade down, get LB Kuechly, address and upgrade starters and depth at CB, S, RB, and TE.

    The other people on here clamoring for Janoris Jenkins have either had their heads in the sand or someplace else far darker and smellier. Do you know anything about the guy? Haven’t we had enough issues with Tanard Jackson and Aqib Talib? How would drafting him be a culture change?

  17. Brandon Says:

    kh Says:
    April 24th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    Takes two to tango, really doubt anyone is going to be looking to move up to #5. I’m with Palowski, trade up get Richardson and ensure an impact player that will have a big affect on our offense. That and it will make Joe’s head explode.


    Wow, a whole new level of absurdity. Not only do you want us to draft a RB top 5, but you want us to trade up to get him? Unbelievable. You guys realize that Richardson’s draft grade is on par with Cedric Benson’s and Ronnie Brown’s, right? They were both can’t miss prospects as well… and Richardson is like a cross between the two of them…and not nearly worth a top 10 pick.

    There’s always an opportunity to trade down. If the Bucs are willing and don’t try to completely rape another team, they could easily trade down 2-5 spots and net at least a 2nd rounder and possibly an additional 4th or so. There are always offers on tables, you just don’t hear about the ones that aren’t accepted.

  18. jvato24 Says:

    I say the Bucs should draft Janoris Jenkins in the 1st, Alfonso Dennard in the 2nd, Vontaze Burfict in the 3rd and trade next years 1st round to draft Maurice Clarrett in the 4th

  19. Big Picture Guy Says:

    By my count, fans of roughly 12 teams are clammoring for their teams to trade down, and I’ve heard of no one who wants to trade up.

    It takes two to tango, and I think with this draft, the Bucs are the nerdy looking kid with glasses sitting in the bleachers during the school dance.

  20. Capt. Tim Says:

    Lmao- zombies don’t even bother to listen
    RBs are a dime a dozen
    Richardson isn’t the kind of back to take over a game.
    ( probably cause he’s Sloooow)

    Moore saying exactly what every other knowledgeable anaylist is saying.

    Like a stake in the Richardson boys heart.


  21. kh Says:

    @Brandon – There’s a million experts right now, some have said Richardson’s draft grade is higher then Adrian Peterson and have called him the most talented player in this year’s draft, including Luck and Griffin. Opinions differ on Richardson so you can spare me the “absurd” BS based on one man’s opinion.

    Who are teams going to clamor over after to move up to get at #5? Tannehill? Blackmon? Kalil? Doubtful, doubtful & doubtful. Teams are going to be very reluctant to give up 2nd round picks in a deep draft.

    Just like has been the case in a few prior year’s drafts for the Bucs I think we’re 2-3 spots away from having a coveted pick.

    The commish puts to bed other points you’ve made on his post here:

  22. FlBoy84 Says:


    Agree that CB is a little more undervalued in the scheme the team has run in the past, but you’re assuming the team will run the same scheme. Not saying you’re wrong, but NOBODY has any idea what scheme the team will run, including yourself. Not all 4-3 defenses are created the same. Can’t wait till Thursday night. Anyone else heading out to Joe’s draft party?

  23. kh Says:

    @Capt Tim – you post sounds like it’s coming from a 12 year old… “lol” indeed. As commish says:

    “With all of the talk about how you can find running backs anywhere, half of the league’s top 15 rushers from last season were 1st round selections. 3/4 of the top 15 rushers were either 1st or 2nd round picks. As much as people want to use that excuse that you can find running backs anywhere, the stats do not lie.”

    Did you ever see Richardson play? He’s a complete back as there is and has great quickness. Emmitt Smith wasn’t very fast but had great vision, burst and short line quickness. Matt Forte, Michael Turner and Frank Gore were in the top 3 for 20+ yard runs and none of them runs particularly well. Being a RB has very little to do with your 40 yard dash time, Chris Johnson is more the exception then the rule.

    Tell these dudes Richardson’s slow:

  24. Capt. Tim Says:

    Again- experts say- listen to Capt Tim!

  25. MikeWilliamsLiver Says:

    why trade down to add more less talented players (smh) “Let’s get as many crappy players as possible.”

  26. Capt. Tim Says:

    Moore didn’t say”if Trich is gone, trade down”
    He said Trich isn’t worth the pick. He said RBs are A dime a dozen. He said T rich isn’t the kind of back to take over a game.

  27. deminion Says:

    let the draft come to u and draft BPA regardless of need

  28. deminion Says:

    i actually would mind Burfict at all but in later rounds of course

  29. Buc Neckid Says:

    Who out there is going to trade up to the Bucs Spot anyway?
    Anyway, whoever we take at five, even reaching for Kuechly, is going to have to prove it in the NFL.
    Draft is full of studs that should have been…

  30. Garv Says:


    Well, a trade down is great BUT

    How FAR down and for WHAT additional pick or picks? That kind of sort, maybe MATTERS! That and finding a trading partner who wants to trade up.