Vincent Jackson A Safer Target?

February 22nd, 2012

So Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik confirmed in recent days what many of the football fantasy types have been beating the drum for since Chucky was jettisoned as the Bucs coach: The team will splurge by buying some free agent talent.

Since, Bucs fans have reacted as if Rachel Watson herself was Santa, racing with a wish list to whisper in her ear. Among the presents Bucs fans want Rachel Dominik to bring them is a top-flight wide receiver.

Many — including Joe — thought Dwayne Bowe of the Chiefs would be a good target. But the Chiefs appear to be in the process of slapping Bowe with the dreaded franchise tag.

Now more and more it looks as if the Steelers will lose Mike Wallace in restricted free agency. But if the Bucs would land him, it would cost them the team’s No. 5 pick overall. Now Joe knows Dominik covets draft picks as much as Joe covets the warm, perfumed embrace of a Bucs cheerleader, so this move appears unlikely.

However, if Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon is thought to be worthy of a No. 5 pick — and many believe he certainly is — then Wallace is surely worth a fifth overall pick.

Still, that is a heavy price to pay when the Bucs’ secondary is in dire need of an upgrade. So could it be Dominik has a safer route in mind? It seems eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune believes, yes, Dominik does have another, perhaps better, option available.

That option be the Chargers’ Vincent Jackson, so Kaufman Twittered.

@IKaufmanTrib: If Vincent Jackson hits the free agent market, the Bucs have the resources to land him. The burning question: do they have the inclination?

Jackson is an unrestricted free agent and it doesn’t appear, per reports out of San Diego, that Jackson will be franchised, though that could always change.

Dominik has the house money to play with that would lure Jackson and make San Diego sweat enough to give up on him. And, voila, you have your No. 1 receiver for Josh Freeman.

73 Responses to “Vincent Jackson A Safer Target?”

  1. Meh Says:

    VJack + Claiborne > Wallace

    I hope we push hard for VJack and a top tier corner. Linebacker and safety wouldn’t hurt either even if they’re second tier guys.

  2. Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    He is a 2 time Pro Bowler who is 29 years old with some games left in him.
    He would be a fantastic target for Freeman .

  3. Fatmosh Says:

    Would definitely be on-board with this signing.

    Dream offseason : Jackson/Bowe + Carr/Grimes/Finnegan + Lofton/Tulloch

  4. Fatmosh Says:

    Oops, forgot about Nicks of course 😉

  5. T in Orlando Says:

    I actually agree with Meh’s assessment, and you don’t even have you specific players as examples. It’s not that Wallace isn’t worth the 5th overall pick, it’s that there are players that can be had at or near Wallace’s level without giving up the 5th overall pick.

    I think that is a big reason why GMs are reluctant to give a picks for established players, typically with UFA, you can get comparable talent (there are exceptions of course), and keep your draft picks.

  6. RCH Says:

    This hands down would be Dominck’s biggest pick up in FA during his tenure if it happens.

  7. Meh Says:

    4 top tier free agents is overoptimistic. I think 3, 2 on defense and 1 on offense is aggressive but possible.

    So give me: VJack, Carr, Tulloch.
    Then draft: Claiborne, Zach Brown, LaMichael James

    Two new weapons for Free. 2 new linebackers. 2 new corners. We’d have to play Grimm at SS for a year though, but I think it is worth it.

  8. Meh Says:

    T, I love Wallace and would be thrilled if we got him. I just think there are other similarly aggressive paths that give us a better team.

  9. Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    Mike Wallace is good, but Mike Tomlin called him a “One Trick Pony” who beats you with the Go Route. Once faced with cover two safeties he can not get behind, Wallace fizzles, and does not put up a good fight for the ball.
    I was at the Tampa vs Steelers game where Mike Wallace broke our backs.
    We allowed him to out run our guy, who had no deep help.
    Let’s hope Tampa does not give up our number 5 pick for this guy.

  10. Josh Says:

    6-6 QB to 6-5 #1 proven receiver = no brainer.

  11. Meh Says:

    Apple, I think you are way underrating Wallace. He’s a top 5 receiver. And if they’re throwing extra safety help at Wallace, isn’t that EXACTLY what we want so Williams and Benn are in single coverage?

  12. Jared Says:

    Can’t we all concede that our secondary problems will not be solved in one off season? I can’t figure out why everyone is so hard up for Claiborne. If anyone read any of my comments from yesterday we all know who I would target for FA WR. A top 5 WR with no off the field problems and no perceived attitude problems. My question to everyone is:

    What’s the big deal about trading our #5 pick for a guaranteed star, adding a Carr and Tulloch through FA, drafting a S or CB in 2nd rd, drafting a speedy RB in the 3rd, playing this season out since we can all agree we aren’t going to win the Super Bowl and then focusing next years free agency and draft at addressing the defense and OL?

  13. Meh Says:

    Because Claiborne’s ceiling is a lot higher than Carr’s or any CB we’d draft in the second. Because Claiborne is the best CB prospect to come out in years. Because we are probably losing Barber and Talib. Because even if we kept both of them we still needed another CB. Because we face Brees, Ryan, and Newton six times a year.

    That is why I’m so hard up for Claiborne.


    Where’s Mel Kiper, er, Todd McShay, er, I mean JoeBucFan’s own in house expert to tell everyone why Claiborne will suck and how we need to give up a first round pick for Mike Wallace??

    I’m totally shocked that an Auburn fan with belittle a LSU player. Shocked, I say!

    As has been mentioned, the defensive backfield is in tatters, draft a first round CB, then get a WR and a speed RB in later rounds. Pick up another CB and safety in free agency.


    Nevermind, Mcshay is in the house.

  16. Jared Says:

    Well Mike Mayock, Claiborne isn’t Patrick Peterson, who actually covered elite SEC WR’s in Julio Jones and a fit Alshon Jeffery. Who said Claiborne is the best CB prospect of all time? What if he sucks? What if he gets injured? What if he gets an assault charge in Texas? Claiborne is exactly what you said he is, a prospect. Prospects don’t always pan out. Wallace is already elite so you are getting what you pay for, a proven commodity.

    Furthermore, LSU hasn’t won a championship as recently as Auburn. Although, as long as the SEC wins I am happy. =)

  17. Meh Says:

    I have no idea who said he was the best prospect of all time, certainly not me. He is a better prospect as a pure cover corner than Peterson was though.

    And there’s ALWAYS a chance a player busts. You can use that argument for any player – EVEN FREE AGENTS LIKE WALLACE. If he busts, he busts. If he gets injured, he gets injured. All the more reason to get 2 players instead of one for about the same amount of money.


    Correction: LSU hasn’t bought a championship.

    The fact is NOBODY. Not me. Not Joe. Not any ESPN commentator, or blog board poster knows what any FA or draft pick will do in the future. It’s comical that one person acts like they do know. No one person’s opinion matters more that anyone else’s on here or anywhere….no matter how many umpteen times the same opinion is post ad nauseum.

    It’s not going to convince anyone else. No matter how much you are convinced.

  19. Jared Says:

    Auburn isn’t USC. There is no evidence to prove they bought anything. Also get real, you don’t think shenanigans go on at pretty much every major college? I can’t post under this name anymore so just for you’re records I will be under my raysindex ID of J 2.0.

    Also still would like Joe to consider my questions from earlier posts. I think drafting Claiborne and signing Jackson is similar to signing Carr and Wallace and drafting CB or S in 2nd round, and maybe nobody could really argue one way or the other, right now, which idea is better. I’ll slow my role and say that at this time since nobody can predict the future that they are equal.

  20. J 2.0 Says:


  21. Dave Says:

    Bottom line is it is looking like Claiborne is the pick at 5 and a free agent WR will be coming, just a matter of who.

    I do not in anyway see them giving up the #5 pick. VJax or a Manningham (with his ties to Sullivan) or someone else seem to be the choices.

    Of course, if Blackmon is there at 5, it changes everything.

  22. kaput Says:

    Until you see the Bucs spend money, don’t assume they will. They’re what, 67 million under the cap? I put the over/under at 20 million spent, and that will include at least one reworked contract.

    The Glazers are cheap. Some of you are living in fantasy land.

  23. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    @Fatmoah That list looks beautiful.


    I’m not going to litter Joe’s board with non-Bucs stuff, but, I’ve read enough about Bobby Lowder, Milton McGregor (Victoryland), and have read the 2001 Terry Bowden interview before he signed the confidentiality agreement, amongst many other things. We’ll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

  25. bowtie502 Says:

    who says absolutely must cost #5…cant compensation be negotiated,maybe for a 2nd and a 5th?

  26. Big Picture Guy Says:

    kaput, they have to spend money by rule. What are they gunna do, roll 67 million into 2013’s cap so we have 90 million free for next offseason when we HAVE TO SPEND 90% NO MATTER WHAT????

    Come on brother

  27. TheProsUseAdvoCare Says:

    Carr isn’t as good as Grimes or Finnegan. I’d take Carr on my team in a heartbeat as we are weak at that position, but I’d take Claiborne in a heartbeat before Carr as Claiborne has a chance to be far greater of a CB.

  28. thibs5599 Says:


    You hit it dead on, Claiborne and Jackson ( or even Richardson and Jackson ) are far better than Mike Wallace. The team that gets Wallace will probably be a team that drafts in the bottom half of the draft. I would be all aboard getting Wallace, and even thought about him being worth it for the Bucs to get rid of the 5th pick, but have done a little research. When your own coach calls you a one trick pony, then you gotta start thinking how good is he really. He was on my Fantasy Football team this past season, and early one he dominated, yet the second half he seemed to taper off a bit. Jackson is not my favorite due to his age and lack of catches, however he is one of the best deep threats in the league, 29 years old, solid veteran who has had trouble in past but turned it around, and is EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS. Plus, Claiborne is one of the best CB prospects to come out, and we DESPERATELY need CB help.

  29. eric Says:

    All sounds nice but does Dominik mean he is going to go after top notch guys like Jackson, or simply a notch above Reggie Brown?

    I note the bucs didn’t sniff the raiders cornerback.

    Don’t we need help there?

    The opportunity to put up or shut up looms.

  30. J 2.0 Says:

    Terry Bowden and Lauder have their own issues involving a daughter.

  31. schmuckaneer Says:

    The scenario I would like to see is 3 defensive FA’s and draft a WR/offensive skill player. I would love to see them bring in FA’s Carr, Tulloch/Lofton and a guy I haven’t heard anyone mention Dashon Goldson. Then draft a Blackmon or Trent Richardson with the 5. I say this because FA is a bit more assured of “can’t miss” than the draft, and I believe we need an assured “can’t miss” on defense more than we dp at the WR position.

    Another scenario….Good WR’s will be left to be had in the late 1st early second. Trade out of the 5 to drop back about 15 spots in the 1st rd and pick up another 2nd rd pick. We could use the two 2nd rd picks to get even more depth…or trade the high 2nd for another veteran player.


    I know all about the daughter. We both see it differently. Nothing more to say.

  33. eric Says:

    Im all for a one trick pony, if the trick is catching a long pass and scoring.

  34. J 2.0 Says:

    Are you a Bama fan?

  35. J 2.0 Says:

    You know Chase Coffman has some upside. But you have to wonder why the Bengals kept waiving him.

  36. Meh Says:

    I like Carr over Grimes, personally. I like Finnegan over both of them. I’d be very, very happy with any one of those 3 plus Claiborne.

  37. Macabee Says:

    Giving up a 1st round pick for Mike Wallace makes sense for a team picking in the mid to late rounds that needs that one player to complete their arsenal like the 49ers or the Patriots.

    However, there is a longshot scenario that makes sense for the Bucs.

    (A) If Claiborne is not there.
    (B) If Cleveland picks Trent Richardson.
    (C) If during the Combine, interviews, team visits, it is determined that there is not much daylight between Claiborne and the 2nd and 3rd CBs in the draft.
    (D) If there is a trade partner in the 25th pick or less range.

    Trade down and pick up 2 extra premium picks. In this scenario, surrendering a late 1st round pick starts to make sense. A lot of things would have to fall in place and even then I’m not convinced they would do this. Too many viable alternatives remain. A Dre Kirkpatrick, Janoris Jenkins, Luke Kuechly or even a Cordy Glenn might be there.

    Then, If you were Wallace and you knew there was a competitive offer out there from the 49ers or the Pats, who would you sign with the Bucs? While, it could make sense, I just don’t see it happening!

    Vincent Jackson or even Stevie Johnson would help the Bucs and is much more likely to be an alternative in FA!


    I’m not going to litter Joe’s board with this stuff. But, no, not a Bama fan, not a LSU fan, not a fan of any of Auburn’s rivals. I have no axe to grind. I call it like I see it. We disagree. I’ve studied it enough, and believe something different than you. Let it go.


    Finnegan is looking to break the bank. I like him, but, prob not at the price he wants. Then again, Dominick may have to overpay for a few guys.

    It seems like Tampa has a bad reputation amongst players. Maybe I’m imagining that. But, the team needs to make this an attractive place to play. You would think the weather and no state income tax would help more.

  40. eric Says:

    “We looked at the list, and after discussing it with our staff we decided we could best fill our needs through the draft and the second tier of free agancy” “We want to make sure we have enough to resign our own guys, whcih is our philosophy”

    Just trying to save everyone some time…………………..

  41. Meh Says:

    Macabee, that won’t work unless we make that trade way before the draft. 4/21 is the last day we can offer RFA’s contracts, with the draft following on 4/26.

  42. Meh Says:

    I agree Finnegan is looking to break the bank, but so what? As long as we front load the contract it won’t be a problem for us. It is worth overpaying with some of this cap room to get some top tier guys here. That may be the only way we get them here.

  43. Macabee Says:

    You’re right Meh, forgot about the cutoff date for FA. Then it definitely is not happening!


    Prob right, Meh.

    It might take a season with Schiano to change how players around the league look at TB.

    I have my reservations about the Glazers, but, I’m hopeful the coaches can overcome it.

  45. Meh Says:

    It could still happen, but we’d have to make the trade pretty early. I think it is very unlikely though.

  46. Real Talk Says:

    I have a strong feeling Richardson will be the pick in the draft. we are going to trade down and get more picks we dont have a 4th round pick and you know how much the pop star loves his draft picks

  47. Dave Says:

    “bowtie502 Says:

    February 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
    who says absolutely must cost #5…cant compensation be negotiated,maybe for a 2nd and a 5th?”

    If you are talking about Wallace, then the answer is NO, it HAS to be a 1st round pick, it is part of the CBA and his status as a RFA

  48. eric Says:

    Maybe we should forget about the absurd “fantasy football” approach and continue doing business the same way……………….might be able to challenge the 26 game losing streak.

    Already got ten in the bank.

  49. Dave Says:

    @Real Talk

    If they trade down the 5th and still get a 1st AND another 2nd, so beit. There are some LBs and CBs and WRs to be had.

    I for one, would not trade down if Blackmon is there. Just my opinion, but I think he is ging to be a stud top 5 WR in the NFL within 2 years.

    I also would have a real hard time trading down away from Claiboren becuase he is, allegedly, so good and it is such a need.

    BUT it all depends on what they think they can get later on and in round 2 and in free agency.

  50. jvato24 Says:

    Guys … there may not be many Big time FA avail on 3/13 because of tags and resignings.

    For everyone pining for Brandon Carr … How many of you have ever seen him play more than 1 quarter ?? Carr is a solid CB, but if he were on the market with Talib and say Talib had no jail issues. Who gets more ??? My money is on Talib.

    In FA, we need to be active but if 2nd tier guys come out wanting to be the highest paid at their position. Take a hike!!

    But if FInnegan wants 9 Mill a year and Carr wants 7.5 million I think we should go Finnegan all day !!

  51. Dave Says:

    @Real Talk

    As far as Richardson… I just do not see it. I do not understand why so many think Blount suddenly can not be the man with a complementary scat back.
    The fumbling needs to be addressed, but not much else.

    I just can not fathom ANY TEAM being dumb enough to take a RB in the top 10 ever again. The NFL has changed. RBs are a dime a dozen. Teams pass more. Good, if not great RBs can be found in later rounds because it is ALMOST all about the O-line and QB.

    Just my opinoon, butif they take Richardson at #5 I would be heavily dissappointed.

  52. Meh Says:

    I don’t think Talib gets more money than Carr even without his off field issues. He did not have a good year last year outside of 2 games imo.

    Plus I want Claiborne AND one of those fa corners. Claiborne/Carr or Biggers/Lewis? Hah!

  53. Pete Dutcher Says:

    “Jared Says:
    February 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Can’t we all concede that our secondary problems will not be solved in one off season? I can’t figure out why everyone is so hard up for Claiborne.”
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    So…what you are saying is to delay it even more by not taking Mo?????? Jared…I know you want Wallace…but it is not going to happen…not unless we can trade a player for him (only one with half a chance is Winslow I think; On Offense, that is).

    You say we can’t fix it in a year. So fine, by that logic it will take 2. So if we do not take Mo, that will make it 3 years. Think it through, man.

    Wallace is worth a #5 pick…just not to the Buccaneers. We have larger needs elsewhere. Shoot, Sullivan might make the WRs we have workout. He did coach WRs for 6 years.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    I think even two top-tier Free Agents is asking too much. I think it’s possible but unlikely. More realistic is one top-tier and a few mid-level guys.

    It sure as heck better not be Ray Rice unless he’s willing to take less than half of what he’s asking.

    I’m glad the Bucs are willing to spend. My concern is that they will do so unwisely and we will be in Cap hell in 4-7 years…or less.

    Personally, I think Jackson is a year too old…but I could see him working out. Barber has played into his 90s. 😉 But I am worried that injuries will start being a concern for Jackson now.

  54. J 2.0 Says:

    @ Dave I agree with you about Blount I am a huge Blount fan, but Richardson, to me, is a can’t miss. We just don’t need him. Then comes that argument that we could’ve had AP, but we had Caddy. I still say saty with Blount and add a smaller faster guy and we could get another Alstott/Dunn type backfield. As for Blackmon being available at #5 I don’t need to say my opinion about Blackmon/Wallace at this point or Alstottsmart would have an aneurysm.

  55. Meh Says:

    We have over $60 mil to spend. We had better get at least 2 top tier free agents. There is absolutely NO reason we can’t spend and not hamper our cap moving forward. We can frontload a contract for 3 or 4 top tier free agents EASILY with that much room without screwing ourselves in the future. Now I am under no illusions that we’ll get 4 top tier free agents, but I’m hoping for 3 and we damn well better get 2.

    And Rice will be franchised.

  56. jvato24 Says:

    Grubbs would be a huge pickup.

    Tolbert could be a blessing with his blocking skills and wouldnt force us to reach @ RB in the draft.

    MLB could be deep. Lofton,Hawthorne, TUlloch as the Big 3.

    CB is FInnegan, Carr then to RIchard Marshall who isnt too bad.

  57. eric Says:

    Fred Taylor
    Edgerin James
    Ladanian Tomlinson
    Cedric Benson
    Adrian Peterson
    Darren Mcfadden

    Nobody likes any of those recent top ten rb draftees?

  58. kaput Says:

    “kaput, they have to spend money by rule. What are they gunna do, roll 67 million into 2013′s cap so we have 90 million free for next offseason when we HAVE TO SPEND 90% NO MATTER WHAT????”

    No, they’re going to roll 67 million – but that’s not what I said. They’re going to be over 40 million dollars under the cap for 2012, just you wait and see.

    Hasn’t history taught you anything? These guys are cheap. What sounds like a reasonable approach, one that most other owners would take, isn’t necessarily what the Glazers would do. They’re not going to throw money around when they don’t have to, and these guys won’t.

  59. Dano Says:

    Bucs have to go out & get Mike Wallace! Dude is a STUD & is exactly
    what the Bucs need on offense…a burner to keep opposing defenses honest! Give Pitt a 2nd rounder & get this done !

  60. Joe Says:


    LOL. “Recent?”

    You forgot Ottis Anderson.

  61. Meh Says:

    Pitt would NEVER take a 2nd rounder for Wallace. They’re going to first round tender him. The only way they lose him is if a team with a lot of cap space front loads him a huge contract that Pitt can’t match due to salary cap problems. Then the team that gets him will lose their first rounder because of the tender. That’s it. That is the only way he leaves the Steelers.

  62. J 2.0 Says:

    @ vato

    Instead of Tolbert wouldn’t Micahel Bush be better?

    I don’t think we need a mirror image of blount to compliment Blount though.

    @ kaput

    If they stay $40 under this year and it rolls over they will be forced by the 90% rule to spend roughly $50 million in one offseason that might not have a lot of options. They do have to extend Freeman and I think they should do it this offseason before his price tag goes way up.

  63. eric Says:


    Thats cause folks have stopped taking rb’s in the top ten.

    Oh wait, that proves your point.

    Never mind…………..


  64. jvato24 Says:

    Good point someone made about the O-Line being 85% of the running game. I bet Arian Foster would have only put up 750 yards for us last year.

  65. Macabee Says:

    Either Claiborne or Richardson is going to make the Bucs a much better team. Nobody should consider either a bad pick with so many options to pick a very good CB or RB in the later rounds. Either pick should only be considered the lesser of the 2 best picks that could be made at #5.

    Now the risk/reward factor must taken into consideration. I think Richardson has a higher risk quotient. I will make the point with a rhetorical question. Where did the Top 4 RB picks ( Ingram, LeShoure, Ryan Williams, DeMarco Murray) spend the year in 2011?

    If your answer is IR, Richardson’s style of running and the transition from college to the NFL makes him a high risk pick. Even the best runners in the NFL (Foster, Charles, McFadden, Foster, Mendenhall and even AP spent considerable time off the field. If you aren’t on the field you can’t make a difference!

    To be fair, Claiborne may not be the next Revis either. Peterson made the Pro Bowl as a kick returner, he didn’t exactly light up te NFL either. So it’s hard to say which is better. I will only say that I think Claiborne is the safer pick!

  66. bowtie502 Says:

    Dave Says:

    February 22nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
    “bowtie502 Says:

    February 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
    who says absolutely must cost #5…cant compensation be negotiated,maybe for a 2nd and a 5th?”

    If you are talking about Wallace, then the answer is NO, it HAS to be a 1st round pick, it is part of the CBA and his status as a RFA
    Im thinking more sign and trade….like “pushoff”winslow

  67. deminion Says:

    @Pete Dutcher

    U got the right idea i couldnt agree more

  68. Rrsrq Says:

    Richardson makes our offense better quickly, but I think for long term, Claiborne is the guy because we have nothing and no future at DB. Draft him and let him grow with the young Defense, but still bring in vets for leadership and teaching. I wonder what kind of leader would a grimes or finnegan be on our D, my bet is not the best leader but good players, could they help mold them to be a staple, doubt it. Get a free agent LB that is talented but also a leader

  69. NickinMelbourne Says:

    I can remember a game in the 80’s where a friend of mine and I rushed out of the old sombrero because Steve DeBerg had thrown 4 interceptions. By the time we got to the car he had thrown 5 and 6. Who knows maybe he can coach but definitely was not a lead by example guy LOL.

  70. 941Buc Says:

    Haha Rachel watson, I have known her for a while. Always been smoking hot.

  71. K2theSoldier Says:

    2 things; Mike Wallace, despite the reports just isn’t leaving Pitt. It’s not happening. Zero chance in my book. Dwayne Bowe will be franchised. Quit asking for those 2. Not gonna happen.

    Gimme Carl Nicks. Gimme the corner Carr. Gimme a linebacker like Tulloch. Then I’m happy.

  72. K2theSoldier Says:

    @ Eric. “Recently” means the last 5 years or so. So Edgeren James, Fred Taylor and LT don’t fit that. Mcfadden is hurt every single year. Not worth the top 10 pick. Peterson was, of course.

    The modern NFL (last 5 years or so) running back is easily found in the later rounds and starting running back isn’t a position of dire need on the team. Taking one in the top 5 is a waste, and it would be a travesty if Claiborne and Blackmon were available and we selected Richardson.

  73. PhillyBucc Says:

    Mo Claiborne and V Jax are a must have!! Nuff said!