Donald Penn Hunkers Down

June 15th, 2010

Prepared to play the game of Demar Dotson chicken a little longer with the Bucccaneers, restricted free agent Donald Penn has passed on his chance to sign the Bucs’ guaranteed one-year tender offer of $3.168 million for 2010.

The deadline was midnight, writes beat scribe Anwar Richardson, of the Tampa Tribune. Now the Bucs cut the offer about $100,000.

Joe’s written plenty about Penn’s situation, so has former Bucs defensive end and analyst Steve White. Frankly, Joe’s impressed Penn passed on signing his name on that big a Lotto ticket. Joe’s not sure he’d have the stomach for that.

The next benchmark for Penn is next week’s mandatory Bucs’ three-day minicamp. Penn faces a nominal fine if he skips those.

62 Responses to “Donald Penn Hunkers Down”

  1. lightningbuc Says:

    Any truth to the rumor, Joe, that if Penn signs his offer and then can kick a 50 yard field goal on his first attempt that Raheem will then cancel the entire 3 day mandatory minicamp?

  2. BigMacAttack Says:

    Donald Penn, you got balls, and that is just what the Doctor ordered for the LT prescription. I hope Dominick flinches first and Penn gets a decent contract, but who knows. Penn is the first to take it to the next level with this regime and call their bet. The cards are on the table and Penn just went all in. I love it. Now we get to see Dom’s metal. I just don’t think Penn is wrong here, even though $3 mill is a lot to walk away from. Total respect for you Donald, and best of luck. They need you, and everybody knows it.

  3. Leighroy Says:

    I will qualify my post by making the following statement; I think Penn has done his job performing on the field and is deserving of some sort of long term, fairly compensated deal.

    Now having said that, I have zero respect for Penn and his agent on this one. I think his agent is being completely ignorant of the financial landscape both league-wide and implicit with the Glazer Poor House. I see ZERO chance of them getting a long term deal this year. What is Dominick supposed to do, just cave in and open the flood gates for all the other RFA’s who got jobbed this offseason? Commit to substantial money at one of the highest paid positions in the nfl amidst a possible lockout year? Reward a guy who couldnt even handle controling his weight during the year at the request of the team?

    Furthermore, all he has to do is continue to play at the same level he has been playing and he’ll have more teams to drive up the bidding once he’s an UFA after this year! How short sighted are these people!?!?

    How come everyone else on this team was able take their medicine, and show up to workouts and commit to the team but you’re somehow special.
    Take a page from your QB who is bending over backwards to demonstrate his commitment to turning the ship around and show the team you’re not just looking out for number 70. Cut the crap and get your ass in camp Penn before you squander more than $100,000 in vein.

  4. Louie Says:

    Go Penn Go! Beat the system!

  5. RahDomDaBest Says:

    @Leighroy… the funniest thing of all is hardly ANYONE on the team blames Penn… Penn is not a villian… this is the business part of the game… these guys don’t get much leverage as it is… but when they do, why shouldn’tthey get compensated in their short term careers?

    I am pretty sure the league will want to put the stops on these plays from the players in the upcoming CBA… but I don’t see how the union would agree to restrictions on hold outs…

    In this case, Penn is a restricted free agent… and i don’tthink he signed his tender, so really, can the Bucs even fine him if he doesn’t show up when he hasn’t even signed a contract?

  6. thomas Says:

    Great work D. Penn keep it up. I would tell these cheapskates that everyday that they fail to negotiate in good faith, my offer to them goes up.

    All of you glazer apologists want to say that long-term cant be done. That is simply not true – look at the Bears with the Peppers contract. 3 years 40 million guaranteed, 6 years 84 total. The Bears want to win so they did this deal to get the player that improves their team.

    The Bears are operating with this same CBA uncertainty. If you want to win, spend money, get creative, lock-up assets. But again that is only if you want to win.

    Now if you want to go young, err cheap, well then you use the CBA as an excuse not to play players.

  7. JimBuc Says:

    lightningbug — that was a good one. 🙂

  8. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas (aka Travis) — the Bears decision makers are all on the verge of being FIRED. That is why they are the exception, not the rule. Way to find that one exception! You should be defense counsel for the NFL in the collusion lawsuit. You could raise the Bears as proof of no collusion. Way to go Super Sleuth!

  9. Tommy Boy Says:

    As soon as Dotson gets owned by someone and Freeman gets obliterated for that first time, Dom’s butthole will pucker up. Then Penn will get his contract. It’s a shame that we won’t pay our good players.

  10. thomas Says:

    Okay Genius – how about another:

    Dunta Robinson, Falcons:6 years, 57 million.

    There are more examples also wiseguy. But of course you expose your dimwit and bias by saying “the Bears decision makers are all on the verge of being FIRED.”

    As is you are connected to ONE HALAS PLACE.

  11. thomas Says:

    Karlos Dansby – Dolphins.

    Joe Porter, Cards for three years. There are many examples of teams trying to get better for 2010.

    Be careful who you tussel with Jimbuc b/c you are not in my league.

  12. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas (aka Travis Bickel): “not in your league” is exactly where I hope to remain. 😉

    Stop shaving the mohawk, quit talking to yourself in the mirror and get out and look around. All across the league RFAs are signing and not signing tenders and, in most instances, NOT getting extensions. Are there exceptions, sure. But there is a reason they call them exceptions.

  13. thomas Says:

    Well genius. Two posts ago you said I found the “one exception.”

    Now you ackowledge after I expose you as a fool and unreliable that there are “exceptions” – plural. I neglected to mention the Jets who added LT at 2 years and 7 million and the Chiefs with Thomas Jones for similar money.

    There are still others, I believe that a significant % of the league has made multi-year deals for multi-million in the face of the CBA issue. THEY WANT TO IMPROVE.

  14. thomas Says:

    Antonio Bryant – Cinci 4 years 28 million. There is another example.

  15. JimBuc Says:

    Travis, you believe whatever you want to believe. I am not going to do your homework for you. Anyone with Google could see you are wrong, but hey . . . would not be the first time you were misinformed.

  16. JimBuc Says:

    Travis, just because I feel bad for you. Do a little reading. Back-to-back articles by Andrew Brandt

  17. JimBuc Says:

    Uh . . . Thomas . . . you realize AB was not a RFA, right?

  18. Radio Mushmouth Says:

    Hold-out Penn !! Make these cheap dirt-bags pay you what you’ve earned !!

  19. Patrick Says:

    They can just risk losing all of their players because of this damn CBA issue. And as Thomas said, other teams are dealing with the very same situation but that doesn’t stop them from improving their football teams. Football is still going on, so actually focus on 2010!!

    Signing him is not going to be the end of the world for them. And even if there is a lockout in 2011, tough shit. Then the Mr. Glazer needs to just accept his losses, suck it up, and be a man. They waste money every season as it is, such as when they signed sandwich, CCC, and Nugent. They hardly ever reach for their wallet anyway. Just what has the team spent money on this offseason?? Sean Jones??? Jon Alston??

    They let AB go and they’ll do the very same with Penn!

  20. BigMacAttack Says:

    JimBuc, I have a question for you and I know you are an intelligent man.

    Why do you call people out consistently on every single article written, and thanks for leaving me off of your hit list today, so far? haha

    Thomas posts his opinion and you immediately shoot him down and call him stupid (super sleuth).

    There is a guy on the Times Buc Site, name of Brandon that does the same thing, all the time, and no one hardly posts anything there any more because he is all over them immediately. A complete buzzkill.

    You asked me to leave you alone yesterday after I was starting to remember all the fun it is playing games, but I remembered I’m not a kid today. Fun is fun, making fun is fun, but making fun of someone over and over all the time posting 20, 30, 40 long winded comments to prove your point, it’s like, give it a rest. Do you always have to have the last word? Does it really make a difference?

    I think you anointed yourself the blog policeman, and for a Newbie that may be a little annoying to some that have been coming here for a long time. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t dare ask you to stop completely, and it’s not my place, but maybe just put some panties on it if you don’t mind. I like reading your comments and you often post good info, but I have to wade through pages and pages of it to even read anyone elses comments. Okay, that’s it. Go Bucs. BTW, I’m sorry I told you to F off.

  21. JimBuc Says:

    Patrick — a distinct minority of teams have extended RFA and more importantly a MAJORITY of RFAs have signed their tender. Any chance that Penn is part to blame? Probably not, right?

  22. BamBamBuc Says:

    thomas, don’t be a fool. The contracts you are mentioning are NOT restricted free agent offers. Dansby, Dunta and AB were UFAs, not RFAs. Also, they signed with OTHER teams to get those contracts. Dansby didn’t get the offer from the Cardinals, Dunta had to go to Atlanta to get his offer… none of those contracts were with the original team, and none of them were RFAs. The only one that can be mentioned is Brandon Marshall (RFA) and he had to SIGN his tender so the Broncos could TRADE him to the Dolphins where he could then (per agreement) renegotiate a new contract. Julius Peppers (you mentioned him first) was an unrestricted free agent. Yes, unrestricted… free to negotiate with any team without compensation to his former team. Penn is a restricted free agent. His original tender demanded a first round draft choice to sign him away, and the Bucs would have still had the option to match the offer and keep him, bu there were NO takers. Now, he is only able to negotiate with the Bucs, he can either get a new contract, sign the tender or sit out the season. He would have to come back for the last six games of the season under the tender offer in order to be eligible for unrestricted free agency next year.

    Learn the difference between UFA, RFA, ERFA before throwing numbers out there that mean absolutely nothing. If you’re trying to say that there are players getting “long term deals” this off-season, then you’re right, but they have the leverage of being unrestricted or the new contract was part of a trade deal.

  23. BamBamBuc Says:

    Hey Joe,

    If you happen to get the time (if not, I’ll see what I can find), it would be interesting to know if there have been ANY RFAs in the NFL to get a long term deal rather than signing the tender offer with their original team. I don’t know of any off hand. Any RFAs that I can think of that got long term deals were “sign and trades” (they signed the tender to accommodate a trade that resulted in a long term deal).

  24. thomas Says:

    I know the difference betwen ufa and rfa idiot, but what u dont understand is that Penn wants a long-term new deal. The basis for not offering long-term according to Jimbuc and others is the CBA uncertainty – meaning you cant offer a deal beyond this year b/c there is a concern that the cap ceiling will come down. And if you over-spend you could be in trouble. This applies to both UFA’s and RFA’s that are holding out for a new long-term deal genius.

    The point I was making is: if you want Penn, sign him long-term and dont use the CBA as an excuse. So yes offer him beyond this year to keep him happy and here. Penn is holding out in part b/c he knows that the market for new deals is not dried up.

    So, yes Penn has been tendered but at below-market, so offer him a market contract and dont use the CBA as an excuse is the point. My examples were in support of my position that many teams arent using this same argument to avoid retaining or acquiring expensive talent for multi-millions and for mutli-years. If you cant see the relationship well then you should stop commenting.

  25. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas — you added the cap part yourself I never said that

  26. thomas Says:

    Agreed – Jimbuc did not make that cap argument but that is the excuse being thrown about in the media as a reason why the clubs cant commit to long-term deals/big money etc w/ ufas and rfas.

    And yes this does have a connection to how revenue will be shared (not whether it will be shared) with players which is part of the formula upon which the cap ceiling and floor are set.

  27. JimBuc Says:

    BigMacAttack — first, certainly not my intent to be the blog police. Second, I do tease Thomas too much. Third, no need for you to apologize to me. I did not take your comment personally. I apologize for my comment as well.

  28. JimBuc Says:

    Thomas, no its not. You need to dig deeper. The NFL is in a labor dispute and an uncapped season. They want as much leverage as possible so they are making players take their medicine. That is why there are talks of collusion. The point I was making was that Penn’s situation has less to do with the Bucs and Penn and more to do with the NFL and one can see that just by looking around. The news is awash with RFAs in exactly the same position getting exactly the same treatment

  29. thomas Says:

    Listen – I am not saying that other teams are not simply tendering RFAs but it must be looked at individually. I also agree that the league is playing hardball with the union. If you have a player who is not a long-term solution or is expendable – sure tender the player and live with it if he sits.

    But we are talking about a quality left tackle, who is young, uninjured and has played inexpensively for years.

    Some teams are using the labor strife to solidify their teams: like the Dolphins, Falcons, Jets. Why are teams able to trade RFAs to other teams – because those teams are willing to sign the RFA long-term.

  30. JimBuc Says:

    obvious question — why must it be looked at individually? But, even if you choose to there is ZERO risk to the Bucs because there is ZERO chance he does not play (because he would be even further back) and ZERO chance that they will not have an opportunity to sign him. So, absolutely ZERO reason to extend him except on good terms. Hard truth for Penn, but truth nonetheless.

  31. RahDomDaBest Says:

    Thomas is 100% right and JimBuc is a JimBo.

    RFA or UFA, dont use the CBA as an excuse not to sign players… there were many free agents signed that are expected to make impacts on their respective teams… Donald Penn and Barret Ruud are 2 starting NFL players who make an impact on Tampa. Noone is saying lock up the other RFAs… but when you talk exceptions, Penn and Ruud are exceptions and should be locked up.

    I am pretty sure that Barret Ruud has sent his message… he said that he wasted his time last year trying to get a contract, only to get another tender offer this year… Ruud will leaving this off season you can guarentee that… and the Buccaneers have only themselves and JimBuc to blame.

  32. JimBuc Says:

    LOL. That post could not be any more silly

  33. BamBamBuc Says:

    I do understand what Penn wants. I also understand that the team owners across the league (and specifiacally the Glazers) don’t have to offer long term deals to any RFA in any year, CBA or not. The player is restricted. They can’t jump to another team, the team does not have to offer anything but the tender. Do the Bucs have to follow the formula used by virtually every team in the NFL? (probably every team, but I was being generous) No, they don’t have to, but business is business and they don’t have to offer more. Is it possible they lose him next year? Of course, but based on the fact that they don’t know the outcome of the CBA yet because it hasn’t been resolved and the possibility of a lockout, they (and virtually every team in the NFL) are unwilling to sign a restricted free agent that has no possibility of jumping ship this year (and may not play next year due to lockout) when they can stand firm with the RFA tender.

    Penn is actually in pretty good shape with his offer really. By not signing, he’s only losing out on about 100k. Pierre Thomas was tendered by the Saints and forced to sign his tender because his offer was $1.7M, but if he didn’t sign they could drop it to 110% of last years salary which was about $500k. That’s HUGE. At least Penn is only losing out on about $100k.

    Anyone thinking Donald Penn making $3.1M is ridiculous should look at Darrelle Revis situation. He’s due to make $1M this season. He’s still under contract (rookie contract) for two more years. He’s wanting to renegotiate to a new deal making him the highest paid corner in the league (and probably well worth it based on his performance). He’s made the Pro Bowl twice already. If he is forced to play for his current contract and Penn signs his tender and plays, Donald Penn (who hasn’t made a Pro Bowl and isn’t the best LT in the league) will be making more than Revis.

    I know, you don’t give a damn about the Jets or their players. This is about the Bucs. Well, from a business perspective, the team has to look around the league and see what is being done all around. They aren’t doing anything that other teams aren’t doing as well. It’s not just “cheap owners”. Players will get deals going beyond this year, but very few have been able to renegotiate their contracts or beat the RFA tenders. I think the Jets pissing off and losing Revis next year will hurt them more than us pissing off and losing Penn. Nothing against Penn, I like the guy, but he’s in a much better situation than many in the league and will probably make a nice $3.1M this year.

  34. BamBamBuc Says:

    Oh, and the Pierre Thomas contract…. he wasn’t standing to lose $500k. They would have dropped the offer to $500k. He stood to lose $1.2M by not signing his offer. He signed, unhappily…

  35. JimBuc Says:

    For the record, I like Penn too and would like to see him get a new deal. I am only commenting on the reality of the situation. I am not sure why so many are so quick to blame the Bucs other than it is just a simpler explanation

  36. wst Says:

    THERE IS NO SYSTEM TO BASE A NEW DEAL ON FOR THESE RFAs. THEREFORE YOU DONT KNOW ON WHAT TO BASE THE FUTURE YEARS OF THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO FINAL PRODUCT TO THE CBA…yet…SO IT IS FRUITLESS TO EVEN TRY TO NEGOTIATE!!!!!!! NO BASELINE!!!! Penn in a normal environment would receive a deal (hopefully), his agent is a POS for even doing this in the first place.

    Thomas and RahDomDaBest you need to take a business class you fools!!!

  37. RahDomDaBest Says:

    “his agent is a POS for even doing this in the first place.”

    Not at ALL… this puts the Bucs, their alleged plan and the growth of the offense in a bind not to have an NFL caliber starting LT. It is on the Bucs, not Donald Penn. The Bucs don’t want to spend an extra million a year… well, I hope Penn does hold out. If the Buccaneers don’t give a sh1t why should anyone else? I think it is Penn’s right to hold out. He is not a bad guy at all… he needs to get a contract for his career… this is his last chance… next year the Bucs will tell him he’s too old.

  38. RahDomDaBest Says:

    If someone asked me who I feel for, a player who puts his body and career on the line, with a limited career regardless of his past performance and a contract that is not guaranteed at all OR an owner who makes mega millions off of the players backs, fans pockets and TV revenues and yet sets the ticket prices as high as they can and gets the tax payers to pay for their stadium and then practice facility…… I chose the player.

    Now, if the owners would spend money like they had in the past, when they had real coaches and re-signed their own and sought after free agents to improve their team, then I would say that I am a supporter of the excellent ownership.

    The Glazers went from being some of the best owners to have for an NFL franchise to the bottom of the league, nearly embarrassing in regards to their decision making and lack of spending.

    This is NO secret. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in complete denial.

    Why buy ANYTHING Bucs with this penny pinching ownership? They deserve ZERO revenues with the way they are running this ship into the ground.

    Nice plan you friggin liars.

  39. JimBuc Says:

    RahDom: Do you understand the flaw in this statement:

    “Not at ALL… this puts the Bucs, their alleged plan and the growth of the offense in a bind not to have an NFL caliber starting LT”

    Respectfully, by saying this you are showing that you don’t understand what you are talking about. 100% that Penn plays. Absolutely 100%. He has to and he should want to play his very best. That is why all this talk is so silly. You and many other don’t understand this key point.

  40. JimBuc Says:

    RahDom — never mind. By you very next post it seems clear that you don’t care about the actual facts surrounding Penn. You are just actually angry at the Bucs and Penn is just a pretext.

  41. Eric Says:

    Whenever I am 100% sure of something, thats when I doubt myself…………

  42. RahDomDaBest Says:

    this puts the Bucs, their alleged plan and the growth of the offense in a bind not to have an NFL caliber starting LT

    It does and this fact can not be argued. The longer Penn sits out, the less reps he gets on the practice field, the less prepared he will be for the season the higher the risk that the offense will suffer without Penn.

    You say, let him walk after this season… SMART thinking! Because that is exactly what he may and should do…. walk to another team.

    Don’t lock him up and let him walk…. that’s your logic.

  43. Mr. Lucky Says:

    Well I’m glad Kellen is getting the team to “gel”

    Penn is gonna be PISSED without a new contract EXTENSION.

    Remember last year how pissed Bryant was with ONLY a 9.7 million contract? He wanted a longer 5-year deal.

    Do I blame Penn for wanting a longer deal – hell no.

    Are the Bucs being “cheap”? In his case with the CBA it’s leverage – nothing but a business decision.

    The biggest villan in this case – Penns agent; I’ll bet he’s a lawyer.

  44. JimBuc Says:

    RahDom — modified your position to practice. got it

  45. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m surprised the Bucs haven’t tried Trueblood at LT during OTA’s with Dotson at RT. They must really think Penn will come around or end up playing. If Trueblood’s problem is hearing in the left ear, he may actually play better on the left side. Lord knows he sure gets beat a lot around the right end. Maybe Trueblood just sucks and this is a bad idea. On second thought, better pay Penn some more money. Now who’s going to play RT? Maybe they draft 2 O linemen in 2011′.

  46. BamBamBuc Says:

    Why not start Dotson at LT? He compares to Penn in a lot of ways. About the same size/build…. both undrafted rookie free agent coming into the NFL…. it is possible that he could come in and play well. After all, Penn did it. Not saying Dotson is Penn… is as good or better than Penn… can get the same results as Penn… I don’t know, he hasn’t had the opportunity Penn has had. If Penn is gonna hold out, I’m all for Dotson and hope he does well.

  47. RahDomDaBest Says:

    Don’t lock him up and let him walk in 2011…

    @BamBamBuc… Dotson at LT? X Fulton? That’s a fantastic plan for Josh Freeman’s sophmore season.

  48. Patrick Says:

    I really don’t get it. They give Clayton a luxurious contract but they can’t show their productive players that they give a damn about them?? It doesn’t make any sense.

    They don’t have to give Penn 5 YR/$25 MIL contract like they did for Clayton. Give him maybe 3 YR/$10-15 MIL contract or something like that. That’s pretty reasonable. I remember Luke Pettigout got a similar contract years back but unlike him, Penn doesn’t have back problems and is young and healthy.

    How about this?? Cut Clayton now, give him his guarenteed $10 MIL and use the other $15 MIL towards working out a deal for Penn

  49. Capt.Tim Says:

    Penn is doing what he has to, so are the Bucs.
    There doesn’t seem to be any animosity there right now.
    Penn’s message to the fans was”thank you for support, go Bucs!”.
    It wasn’t” go to hell, Bucs”. I think both parties understand where the other one is at, and are respectfully approaching the situation with that in mind. I think this wil all work out soon, and Penn will be back with the team.
    Contrary to how we think( ALL of us!), sometimes there isn’t a hero and a villian. Sometimes two parties just end up in a tough position, and have to work it out.
    Of course,all of us should continue to pick sides, and bitch about it!! Hey! It’s what we do!!:)

  50. gotbbucs Says:

    Patrick, there is absolutely no way that Penn is going to sign a 3 year, $10-15 million dollar contract.

  51. RahDomDaBest Says:

    I like Pats idea of cutting Clayton to justify Penn’s signing… use Ckayton’s left over money to sign Penn to a 3 year 15 million dollar deal.

  52. JimBuc Says:

    RahDom and Patrick — the Bucs do not need to cut Clayton to get his money to sign Penn.

  53. BamBamBuc Says:

    I can only guess, but I would figure the MAJOR hold up in negotiating any deal with Penn is guaranteed money when next year is so up in the air. No team wants to have guaranteed money tied up in players if there is a lockout. Yes, some teams will have guaranteed money invested in some players, but not if they don’t absolutely have to. The Bucs are no different. If Penn were willing to take a 3 year deal with no guaranteed money, I bet the deal would already be done, but that doesn’t give the “security” players want.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… I like Penn, I’d like him to get a deal, but realistically, in this current state of the NFL, that doesn’t seem likely and he’ll probably have to play this season (or hold out).

  54. RahDomDaBest Says:

    BamBam… most people aren’t talking short term, short sighted solutions of just 2010 and him playing next season… a lot of people in this very blog are concerned about him walking away from Tampa in 6 months after the season.

    The Bucs are saying, Penn isn’t in our long term plans.

    Many are questioning Tampa’s position as to who in the heck are they going to replace Penn with, and why even tell the fans you are going to try to re-sign key players if you are NOT re-signing key players only to let them get away?

    Are Penn and Ruud are key players? another debate… but again, replacing veteran starting NFL caliber players with… rookies is not a good plan at all.

    I like how the Glazer apologists keep bring up the short term, short sighted, 2010 6th month logic. This is bigger than the next 6 months and 2010 season… it’s a message being sent to not only the players that they should go find a new team, but to the fans that the Bucs in fact, have no plan.

  55. Capt.Tim Says:

    Ah, rahdomdabest,
    Just the mouth breather I want explaining the “big picture”. Now that’s funny! Talking about signing players to long term contracts, when there is no collective bargaining agreement, is just too funny!
    You , ah, realize the reason it’s called “the collective bargaining agreement”, is that it sets the conditions and Terms of, ah, bargaining??!?
    You know, things like years before Free agent, the retirement and profit sharing terms, how many contract years can be “option” years.
    All the major terms and conditions that constitute the majority of an NFL contract.
    Of course you didn’t know! This information isn’t a secret, but it’s easier to bitch without having the slightest clue of what you’re talking about!!
    The VERY few contracts that have been written, are based on the assumption that the new CBA will be very similar to the last one. That assumption Is nuts . The previous two were extremely different, especially to play cuts of profit sharing.
    Chances are , any new contracts will be useless once the new agreement is signed. Everyone knows that . ., well, except you!!
    Trying to explain your take on Penn’s contract, without mentioning the CBA, is just pathetically uninformed
    Like explaining why a fish died on land, without ever mentioning that a fish has gills, not Lungs.
    Its leaving out the only factor that really matters

  56. RahDomDaBest Says:

    And so that means signng Clayton past this 2010 was done not in light of the looming CBA? Signing Sean Jones past 2010 was done not in light of the looming CBA?

    We needed a Safety… so we signed Sean Jones, makes sense. But don’t we need a LT and a MLB and not just this year but beyond? There are plenty of other teams in the NFL (that aren’t in collusion, LMAO) signing players past 2010.

    Sean Jones and Michael Clayton better than Penn and Ruud…. that’s how the players feel right now.

  57. JimBuc Says:

    RahDom: Jones signed a two year deal through 2011. Clayton signed a 5 year deal, but it was heavy on front end guarantees. Neither of these two get paid during a lockout. That is what makes giving a deal to Penn right now different. The contract would include significnat guranteed money. Same with Ruud.

    You are comparing an appel to an orange

  58. JimBuc Says:

    LOL . . . apple. I am worst typer on planet. By the way, the players know what you do not so they don’t see the Clayton and Jones deal as you do.

  59. Capt.Tim Says:

    No, no , no rahdomdabest,
    There are not “many teams signing players beyond 2012”, according to the NFL website, less than two percent of players, whose contracts have expired, have resigned contracts beyond 2012. Aprox. 80% have signed one year tender. That is the means and method for resigning your players until the new CBA is tendered. The one year tender ws agreed to by both Players and Owners during the Last CBA negotiations. It’s how you handle contract years during Non CBA seasons.

  60. JimBuc Says:

    Right Capt Tim. but Rahdom does not want to hear or believe that.

  61. RahDomDaBest Says:

    Don’t lock them up and let them walk in 2011… message received.

  62. Capt.Tim Says:

    Well, RahDomDaBest( couldn’t you think of B.S. Shorter than that!!), then I guess 2012 is gonna be great times!!! Cause aprox. 580 NFL players are gonna be pissed off, looking for new teams! It’s gonna be a FA field day!!
    And if even ONE if you “Slow Squad” members say the Glazers are too cheap to sign any, after all the time I’ve spent on THAT Lil falsehood, I swear my fricking heads gonna blow up- and especally not you, lighningBuc, cause I know you can’t wait:)
    the ONLY difference in Penn’s situation, is that he’s been underpaid as a starting LT for some years. That is the only reason I think the Bucs should break ranks and sign him. But that us a good reason. Show the big Guy DA MONEY. Penn is the kinda guy we want on this team!!
    Bigmacattack, your post to Jimbuc at the top was funny as he’ll!