How Many Wins Does Raheem Need?

April 21st, 2010

So the Buccaneers open 2010 with four out of their first six games at home and a bye week in between.

Surely Raheem The Dream and Mark Dominik are jumping for joy after being gifted the best possible opportunity for a good start to the season.

But if the Bucs only come away with a 2-4 record after that span, then Raheem The Dream surely will be on the hotseat. Especially considering the Cleveland Browns and St. Louis Lambs are in the mix.

Sept. 12 Cleveland, 1 p.m. (WTSP, Channel 10)*
Sept. 19 at Carolina, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Sept. 26 Pittsburgh, 1 p.m. (WTSP, Channel 10)*
Oct. 3 Bye
Oct. 10 at Cincinnati, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Oct. 17 New Orleans, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)*
Oct. 24 St. Louis, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)*

If the Bucs do, in fact, open up 2-4, even the most optimistic fans would start thinking the season is lost because the next block of games conversely features four of six on the road, including two West Coast trips followed by a road game in Atlanta and a cold-weather game in Baltimore. The two home games are against Atlanta and Carolina.


Oct. 31 at Arizona, 4:15 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Nov. 7 at Atlanta, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Nov. 14 Carolina, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)*
Nov. 21 at San Francisco, 4:05 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Nov. 28 at Baltimore, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Dec. 5 Atlanta, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)*

The Bucs will be lucky to win two out of those six.

The final four games will be the most interesting study — to see how Raheem The Dream has his team playing in December.

Raheem The Dream loves to compare his team’s progress to the early Dungy-era clubs. Well, Dungy’s teams performed very well late in the season. So if Raheem The Dream wants to keep playing the Dungy card — which he has no business playing to begin with — then the Bucs must win two of the final four. 

Dec. 12 at Washington, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)
Dec. 19 Detroit, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)*
Dec. 26 Seattle, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)*
Jan. 2 at New Orleans, 1 p.m. (WTVT, Channel 13)

While Joe knows Team Glazer is all caught up in their we-think-long-term mindset, Joe firmly believe that anything less than five wins from this schedule will drive them into secret meetings to contemplate Bill Cowher Raheem The Dream’s future.

Joe doesn’t see the Glazers being all that patient after a pile of blackouts and a four-win season.

Nobody’s that patient.

31 Responses to “How Many Wins Does Raheem Need?”

  1. justin F Says:

    is his contract up after this year? i got a felling no matter how many wins he gets the glazers will keep him and stick to the plan even if it pisses off the whole fan base just because they have done nothing in 5 years to prove to me that they care

  2. Eric Says:

    Im confused, when does the ten years of ten win seasons start?

  3. Alex Says:

    It all depends on how the roster looks in August before anyone speculates on “how many wins does Raheem need”. If we go into Preseason with Clayton as a starting WR or Penn holding out or Sabby as the SS, how can any blame be placed on Morris? Having a roster full of chumps isn’t the coaching staff’s fault– that goes up the ladder.

    Considering there were a couple games that the Bucs should have won last year, it stands to reason that 2-3 more wins (i.e. SOME improvement and legit promise for next year) would be expected. If that’s the case, 2011 will definitely be the make or break season for this staff. Another 4-12 season (or demonstrating no improvement at all) would definitely create uncertainty, but I don’t think it is as damning as you make it seem…. barring a total wipeout and lack of effort.

  4. JimBuc Says:

    For most of this crowd 16 wins would not be enough.

  5. JimBuc Says:

    Alex — that kind of reasonable and well thought out commentary will get you nowhere. In fact, get ready for the onslaught. LOL

  6. thedeej3000 Says:

    …and for you it seems like 3 wins is plenty.

    The sad thing is… No matter how inept, we are likely to have to suffer through Raheem for at least two more seasons… That’s two more drafts. After that much investment, I don’t think you can go with Cower because a switch to the 3-4 would set you back another 2 or 3 years… the time to remove Raheem was after last season.

    …Leslie Frasier or Father Dungy can only save us from the Raheem debacle.

  7. DungyLoverLiberal Says:

    Joe said:

    “So if Raheem The Dream wants to keep playing the Dungy card – which he has no business playing to begin with…”


  8. Eric Says:

    Wow, can we get the bar any lower for Raheem?

  9. Mike Says:

    Well, I’ll start out by saying I’m not a Raheem fan, but I am willing to give him a chance. He’s a young coach and is learning on the job. I think we can all agree he wasn’t given much of a chance to win last year and was in over his head. Now he’s got a year of experience and a full offseason under his belt.

    Looking at the schedule, I really only see about 5 or 6 wins, but I don’t think that’s going to be good enough. I say he needs 7 wins to keep his job. I think we need to see progress this year but we don’t necessarily need a winning record.

  10. Louie Says:

    I don’t think it will have anything to do with wins and losses. As long as Glazerhouse’s have a money crisis, Morris will be the coach.

    If this was a real business (not subsidized by TV and local govt) and you hired Morris for the job and he eff’d it up like he did last year, would he still have a job? At the very least, he would have demoted.

  11. Nick Says:

    This fanbase is disgraceful.

    You know what I see from this schedule? A softer than feather beginning, with Cleveland at home, Carolina, then back home for a Roethlisberger-less Steelers. Honestly, that should be perfect for even a team like ours to get a quick 2-1, to 3-0 start.

    After that, lets assume we lose to Cincy and New Orleans. We start out at the worst 3-3 or 4-2 with the sixth game being against the Rams. Now on to the road stretch. Win @ Arizona with no Boldin and no solid QB. I say we go one-for-one with ATL this year considering how close we came to beating them last season. We then host Carolina, which I will count as a win. San Francisco is beatable. Follow that up with a losses at Baltimore and Washington.

    That’s a 7-6 record, leading up to the three game finish of Detroit, Seattle, and @ New Orleans.

    By my accounts, this team has every opportunity for a 9-7 season and a possible wild card playoff berth.

    As both a fan and spectator, it disgusts me how a fanbase can be so negative after one bad season. You think we have it bad? Cleveland, Oakland, and Buffalo would all like a word with you…

    If you don’t want to be a part of the ship, then walk the plank.

  12. TJ Tillman Says:

    Bottom line is he will get 4 wins Rams Lions Seahawks Browns maybe two of the Panthers games are pushing it. But that is of right now the way the Roster is looking but hard to tell pre draft and pre traning camp. This is just not on Morris also on Managment for not getting him players but Morris is still the most inexperienced coach in The Nfl hell there are mor qualified coaches in the NCAA then him

  13. JimBuc Says:

    thedeej3000 — you’re wrong, but my point was that the actual performance does not matter for some. Most people that “hate” Morris now, will not change their mind because most don’t even acknowledge the circumstances last year, let alone the obvious positives. I am not even a fan of Morris and I can see the clear positives (Freeman, stark defensive turnaround, 3 win team still playing late in season, etc.). The circumstances are even clearer, yet many just “hate” becasue they are angry Gruden fans, anti-Glazer, or myriad other reasons.

  14. Louie Says:

    Ahhh, Nick. Check the draft order, Cleveland, Oakland and Buffalo all pick after the Bucs. In fact, we lost to Buffalo last year — by A LOT. Maybe you should have used the St. Louis and Detroit as examples.

    I hope Nick is right, I’d kill for 9-7 or even 8-8. In fact, if they do that well, I say keep Morris & Co. However, there is nothing to pin such hopes on. The team is weaker than it was last season. They let go some contributors who they expect to replace in the draft. I don’t see it.

  15. DungyLoverLiberal Says:

    We have a CHANCE against Cleveland, St Louis, the Lions and the Seahawks… a CHANCE. But we won’t win them all.

    2 maybe 3 if we are lucky… we could lose all 4.

    Then, who do we upset? Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans?

    And that’s it guys.

    Lucky to get 4 wins… period.

  16. DungyLoverLiberal Says:

    Freeman will blame his interceptions in 2010 on not having a true, experienced #1 WR. The dummy already chased away his #1 in Bryant by calling him out through Morris.

    This may be the year Winslow loses his mind on the field.

  17. thedeej3000 Says:

    bottom line: 3-13… if Raheem hadn’t have bungled last year so bad… he’d have a legion of fans now… and if he can win next year we will win a lot of the haters over… I doubt that he can do it based on what I’ve seen of him… but if becomes a winner, I’ll be the first to say I was wrong.

  18. DungyLoverLiberal Says:

    @ Eric

    “Wow, can we get the bar any lower for Raheem?”

    It is so ridiculous that Raheem is ALREADY getting a pass for the upcoming season.

    Can these people rationalize or apologize anymore for this chump? I mean he doesn’t even have his own kind 100% on his side. Raheem sucks as a head coach currently. Maybe in 10 years he will be fine, but not now. We have to watch him on our Sundays “learn on the job”… what a way to ruin our fall and weekends.

  19. Radio Mushmouth Says:


    Freeman never called out Bryant , you idiot. The decision to move on was not his, and he had nothing to do with it. If you have some proof to back up your accusation , bring it forward.

    Besides , Bryant is not a true 1 , he’s a 1 year wonder….Take a look at his career as a whole .

  20. Eric Says:


    9-7 and a wild card?

    I thought 9-7 was disgraceful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least it was in 2007, 2008.

    Plus, how would they build the dynasty without high draft choices in 2011?

    Brother, you are totally out of tune with your own plan!

  21. Radio Mushmouth Says:

    Eric is right …how are we supposed to build through the draft if we screw up and win too many games ??? LOL

    Just lose baby !!

  22. JimBuc Says:

    thedeej3000 — that seems fait to me. One issue I note in your comments, and where we differ, is I don’t think Morris is the one that bungled everything last year. I think the team bungled a lot. That said, I get your point and think it is fair so long as Morris gets credit if he turns it around. Again, I am not so much a Morris fan as I am not a fan of over-the-top, premature hyper-ventilation.

  23. BigMacAttack Says:

    Raheem needs 6 wins, and they will get it for sure. I’m thinking 10-6 or 9-7 actually, but I won’t commit until after the draft….like it realy makes a difference.

  24. DungyLoverLiberal Says:

    Radio.. everything you said was wrong.

    AB didn’t want to come back to Tampa.
    AB was the Buc’s #1 and as close the Buc’s will see in a #1.

    Proof is in the video… everytime Freeman threw a pick or didn’t convert on 3rd down, he threw a tantrum and pointed at either AB or Clayton…. Clayton deserved it… AB didn’t. AB was playing hurt too… something Raheem was too stupid to realize and take into account even though he called AB out for not playing hurt.

    Raheem is a joke, bottom line. If you can’t admit that by now then YOU ARE A MORON JUST LIKE HIM.

    9-7, 10-6??? even 7 or 8 wins is an absolute delusion. Look at the schedule again. We will be lucky to accidentally win 3 just like last season when we accidentally won 3.

  25. Jonny Says:

    I will say one with. With a very young team you could have a win against New Orleans Saints, you could also have a loss against St. Louis Rams. Young and consistent do not go together and that is what I am expecting from Bucs next season. As far as number of wins are concerned, 6-9.

  26. Mr. lucky Says:

    Wow look at these responses…and to think Joe you thought “I” was Raheem’s biggest detractor???? lol

    I have to admit that I think it’s too early to determine how many wins/losses the Bucs will have in the 2010 season. You see I actually have some hope that Sammy (WR) can be the next Sidney Rice/Austin Miles.

    WHAT? Has Mr. Lucky lost his mind? No but until training camp starts and the pre-season I can hope can’t I?

    As for what it will take Raheem to keep his job?

    If the defense plays like it did for the final few games (with RahRah as DC) it will be beneficial for Morris. Right now I’m waiting to see how Duminik does this weekend.

    BTW I THINK JimBuc is really Joel Glazer – did you check that IP address Joe?

  27. JimBuc Says:

    Mr. Lucky:

    Joel Glazer agrees with your analysis and so do I. Coincidence?

  28. Radio Mushmouth Says:


    Any QB would get mad when a WR is jogging through his routes and pouting like a 8 year old girl all season . This is what AB was doing , the team knew he was loafing , and that’s why he’s gone.

    The guy is a bum and he always has been . There is a reason he was cut from a pathetic Browns team and no one else even signed him
    for over a year.

    Good Riddance.

  29. BigMacAttack Says:

    Joel Glazer. LOL

    It would be great if Joel got down and slummed it up with the rest of us gutter-rats.

    Uh Joel, oh buddy, oh pal, my hero, could you reduce the $25 parking to about $10? That difference would almost pay for my gas to the games.

    Better yet, could you just install my own personal diesel pump in lot #12? Yea, that’s the ticket.

  30. Eric Says:

    C’mon now, Jimbuc is way smarter than joel glazer.

  31. JimBuc Says:

    You got it BigMac. Lot #12 it is