Raheem May Need Eight Wins To Survive

January 15th, 2010

Raheem the Dream has minimal support among Bucs fans, despite other rookie coaches having worse records and the fans of said teams not lighting torches.

So it wouldn’t surprise Joe that the same fans that wanted Raheem the Dream gone this year will be full-throat later this fall. Given that premise, Vacation Man of BSPN.com seems to be of the same mind. He believes Raheem the Dream better be sniffing a winning record next year or he will not return as the Bucs coach when(ever) the work stoppage ends.

Dave (Columbus)

Pat, How many wins does Raheem need to get to keep his job next year?

Vacation Man

7 or 8.

Joe doesn’t know if losing nine games will get Raheem the Dream thrown out of One Buc Palace. If he wins seven game that’s more than double the wins in his first year. That’s progress. And let’s be honest, does anyone think the Bucs will compete for a playoff spot next year?

20 Responses to “Raheem May Need Eight Wins To Survive”

  1. Jake Says:

    Unless the Glazers open up the wallet to surround him with better talent, he is fighting an uphill battle. The 10 draft picks, by themselves, won’t be enough to change the Bucs fortunes next season. Need a mix of free agents as well, which…cost money.

  2. james from dunedin Says:

    The Glazers are broke, this off season will be very revealing.

  3. D-money Says:

    james from dunedin Says:

    January 15th, 2010 at 10:16 am
    “The Glazers are broke, this off season will be very revealing.”

    I love how everyone in this town seems to think they know the finances of the Glazers. They may be broke and they may not be. The truth is you have no way of knowing. Or is it a better bet that maybe they are smart business men who run a business during one of the worst recessions in US history.

    They have said all along their plan is to build through the draft. Why would they spend money on a ton of free agents? Just ask the Washington Redskins how well that works.

  4. Louie Says:

    D-Money, I don’t pretend to know the Glazerhouse’s financial situation. Frankly, I don’t care. However, they are running the team like they are broke and have been doing so for years. There is nothing “smart” about what they are doing unless you like losing. Draft picks alone won’t build a winning team. You have to spinkle in some free agents and I’m not talking about undrafted free agents.

    What have the Bucs done since the season ended? NOTHING. Many of the other teams have been making changes to their staffs since the season ended — not the Bucs. You know a 3-13 team needs to make some staffing changes, but that hasn’t happened. Like last year, it’s getting late in the process and all the good candidates will be gobbled up by other teams.

  5. FlBoy84 Says:

    Think the decision of whether Morris returns is made very similarly to the way it was done this year. Obviously he’ll need an increase in wins, but it’ll probably be based just as much on how the team is playing under his guidance.

  6. Ajay Says:

    D-money, I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time….I’m tired of fans thinking they know how to spend money better than the Glazier’s do. The Redskins was a fine example, also the free agents we have picked up recently should already have proved to the fans we spend money when it’s worth wild. I.E. K2, Faine, Ward, firing Gru, and many more.

    Our ownership couldn’t be better.

  7. justin Says:

    I am a fan that was and still is in favor of letting raheem stay for year too and I say he has to at least double his win total from this year. So I think he would be safe with 6 wins but I will say with the schedual I could see the bucs going 8 and 8

  8. Louie Says:

    “Our ownership couldn’t be better”

    Joel Glazerhouse is back on this blog!

  9. Jake Says:

    D-money you as well as many others like to point to the Washington Redskins as the argument against acquiring free agents. Just because the Redskins don’t spend their money wisely doesn’t prove that free agency is overrated and should be avoided. I can give you many examples of teams that spent money wisely and helped themselves with free agent acquisitions:
    Drew Brees: Saints
    Bart Scott: Jets
    Andre Goodman/Andra Davis: Denver
    Gibril Wilson: Miami
    Gerald Sensabaugh: Dallas
    Jabiri Greer: New Orleans

    These are just a few examples, all but Brees were from the 2009 crop of free agents. So don’t drink the Bucs front office Koolaide that the draft is the only way to build a quality roster.

  10. JDouble Says:

    I have no problem with the Glazers. I think this off season will show that they are willing to spend thier money on this team. I also, think we could be a wildcard team next year. It all depends on free agency and the draft.

  11. D-money Says:

    Jake you just made my point for me. All the teams you mentioned built or are building their teams through the draft and add key free agents when the time is right.

    The Bucs spent money last offseason on free agents. K2 and Derrick Ward as well as Jeff Faine who was signed to a huge contract a few years back.

    I never said don’t sign free agents I’m just saying If the plan is to build through the draft you won’t always be spending like crazy on free agents.

    Sapp, Lynch, Dunn, Brooks, Barber, Alstott and more were all drafted as the foundation and a few key players like Simeon Rice, Brad Johnson, Keshawn and Keenan Mcardell were added when the opportunity presented itself.

    This is the approach the Glazers have taken in the past and are taking now. It worked before it will work again.

  12. Jake Says:

    I agree D-Money free agency isn’t always about signing the biggest name. There are mid level free agents out there that I am sure could improve this roster. I am just skeptical about the Bucs participation in free agency this year based on Raheems end of the year interview where any reference to free agency as being one of the priorities this offseason, was omitted.

  13. Louie Says:

    D-money, I don’t think anyone is arguing against building through the draft. Every team has to build through the draft as there isn’t enough cap money to do it any other way.

    You keep throwing out there the contracts the Bucs gave to Faine, K2 and Ward, but those contracts kept the Bucs above the NFL minimum. So, the Glazerhouse’s HAD to spend that money to avoid penalties by the league.

    The Bucs have the most cap space in the league. They have the most undrafted free agents in the league. They have a cheap coach (and GM) who, unlike Gruden or another big-name coach, will not demand the Glazerhouse’s spend money. They are not re-signing their current players. This all amounts to a mountain of evidence that the Glazerhouse’s have the Bucs on a VERY lean budget. Money is #1 right now, not winning.

    Joe, can you put up a pole asking if people think the Glazerhouse’s are spending too little, too much or just right?

  14. Jonny Says:

    Louie, you are absolutely right, all the Glazer apologists do not look at the cap space. It is impossible to build a team through draft without having at least a couple of quality veterans. That being said I think Glazers will spend more this off season, ticket sales are dropping at an alarming rate and they HAVE to spend some money and get at least one FA or traded player that can right away make the team better, someone like Anquan Boldin, Brandon Marshall.

  15. james from dunedin Says:

    for the Glazer apologists….


  16. D-money Says:

    Louie, I didn’t say the Glazers were spending enough. We all know the payroll is the lowest in the league.

    I’m just hoping that when the time is right they will spend the money wisely. Instead of throwing the money at every big name guy out there just to sell tickets. If they had been able to sign the guy everyone was screaming for last yeat, Albert Haynseworth, It would have been a terrible waste of money. Instead they did sign K2, regardless of the reason and it turned out to be a great move. Even though everyone on this site, myself included, thought they were out of their minds.

  17. Slappy Says:

    I’m dreaming of the day when we don’t have to pickup players from other teams’ practice squads to fill out our roster due to injury.

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  19. BigMacAttack Says:

    Raheem should get 11 wins next year. LOL

  20. cane58 Says:

    I can’t understand how you buc fans can accept anything less than 9 wins in raheems first year. when you fired a coach that went back to back 9 win seasons with less talent ( ward , winslow ) . let me guess, you get your koolaide from fat dog err the big dog. you had the best coach you could possibly have and you ran him off because you did not like him. now this guy gets u 3 wins and u want to give him more time to rebuild . rebuild a 9 win team ? if it wasnt for monte kiffins defense the last for games that team would have been in the playoffs . oh yea, see tenn vols defense there where no hall of famers on that defense either. ( sapp, brooks, lynch, rhonde )and what happened. thats another story. any ways this guy should not get another year , he should not even be calling the defense, joe barry should. this is not on the job training. why don’t you buc fans use do your own thinking instead of having sports radio tell you what think. look at the facts,stats .