Freeman Bashing Irks Gerald McCoy

August 20th, 2013

Regular readers here know Josh Freeman has been abused by local and national media lately in ways Joe’s never seen before.

The Mike Glennon Mob that Joe has referenced numerous times appears to have all kinds of members.

Joe admits the Freeman bashing is nearly out of control, especially considering it’s only preseason. Hell, on one of Freeman’s two drives against New England, Kevin Ogletree dropped a well thrown third-down pass that was roughly 20 yards downfield, killing a drive. Today, Greg Schiano even called that pass a “Hall of Fame” throw by Freeman. Yet so many seem to believe Freeman is growing more worthless by the week.

Gerald McCoy expressed his disgust of the Freeman bashing today to Joe and various members of the Tampa Bay media. Though not identified by McCoy, it seemed clear he heard about Fran Tarkenton calling Freeman’s play “God awful” this morning.

“I think the reason I’m so sensitive about [the Freeman bashing] is because I got it for two years. They talked bad about me for two years. So, it’s like, I don’t take to well to it when they talk about my teammates. McCoy said.

“He had a real good year. People give him so much scrutiny. I’m like, ‘Man, you all got to relax. Like, calm down, man.” They just, I think he gets treated unfairly a lot. Like I said, to me, it’s a sensitive area because, you know, I got it for two years. Actually still get it.” (You can hear McCoy’s full audio take below.)

No matter how much McCoy or anyone else defends Freeman, there’s only one way for Freeman to stop the bashing: play consistently well and win games.

114 Responses to “Freeman Bashing Irks Gerald McCoy”

  1. Kalind Says:

    Until he proves he can put the team on his back and carry them into the post-season. He can forget about not getting bashed. Win more than you lose. Throw three times as many tds as ints. Win a playoff game. Shoot, GET to a playoff game.

    These are the marks of good (not even great) qbs. Tell me again, what is so valuable about Free? (See above: never had any of those–’cept one year) that’s simply not enough. At least not enough to make me think that the savings and first round QB wouldn’t outweigh him.

    I simply can not see even a consistent Freeman winning a Super Bowl. I just can’t see it. There’s nothing there. He’s a giant MEH.

  2. TAC Says:

    Gerald said…
    “So, it’s like, I don’t take to well to it when they talk about my teammates. McCoy said.”

    Nobody has forgotten the D Gerald, that is the true failure of the team in the past. Yes, Freeman takes much heat, and he is part of the failure from a team standpoint. And, yes he is taking heat because of your side of the ball failures also.

    Are you going to lead, and hold accountable on that side of the ball?

    Watching…

  3. FR Says:

    The Bucs haven’t been to 1 playoff game since he took the helm, how are we suppose to feel.

  4. tony Says:

    In case everyonr forgot, we where winning in 4 of the games we lost last year within minutes, and the defense gave up the final plays that we got beat by. Yes freeman did have some awful games but had the D been able to hold up, thats 11 games we would have one. It was more of the D than free last year.

  5. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    That was a great interview.

    He is right though. The Freeman bashing is ridiculous now. It’s as if he has never played a good game in his life. How is he so much worse now than from the end of last season exactly?

    The media has gradually poured it on as the offseason has progressed but what exactly can Freeman do between the end of the season and the start of the next one to prove anything? If he threw twelve touchdowns this preseason they would just say “its only preseason” but because he hasn’t lit it up NOW it is a serious issue.

    I am sorry but to say he is “God Awful” is simply wrong. Blaine Gabbert and Mark Sanchez were “God Awful”. He really is nowhere near as bad as he is being made out to be right now. If he was, he would have been replaced by now. Or, at the very least, put in a “competition” like Sanchez was up in NY.

    It is probably going to get a whole lot worse right before the season opener.

  6. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @tony

    Nobody forgets that, they just conveniently overlook it.

  7. simeon 97 Says:

    A top 10 QB and this team could go deep in the playoffs. We don’t we need him to create miracles. The problem is that he either looks great or terrible, way too volatile.

  8. Couch Fan Says:

    Joe summed it up pretty nicely in the closing statement. Just win. That’s all we want. Until then, nobody is above the criticism. Especially Freeman. This is what he gets paid the big bucks for.

  9. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Josh is going to have to great year. More concerned with the interior offensive line at this point.

  10. Drew Says:

    I agree with Joe… just win and it silences the critics. Hopefully, he proves everyone wrong by being consistently accurate this year. If he doesn’t, then it’s time for Glennon.

  11. MadMax Says:

    Love ya to death McCoy, but Im not too impressed so far with Freeman (I know, still preseason)…..but Im seeing the same slow decision making and staring down receivers. Im convinced Mr. McCoy, you’ll be cheering for Mr. Glennon soon.

  12. bucfanjeff Says:

    “Joe admits the Freeman bashing is nearly out of control”

    …and yet “Joe” contributes to this media frenzy with “six flags”, “good josh, evil josh”, and the like. You are just as much to blame as anyone else.

    My opinion is one of the Joe’s has never really liked Freeman and the other Joe has just been lukewarm to him. It shows in the reporting, whether you agree or not. It IS your site to do with it what you will, but you sirs, are part of the “out of control” problem.

    You’re welcome to your opinion, and Joe appreciates you being clear that it’s your opinion, even though it’s inaccurate. Joe clearly referred in this post to the current Freeman bashing, as in the past couple of weeks, more specifically the past week. Josh Freeman is an inconsistent quarterback, therefore Joe using colorful adjectives to describe Freeman’s rollercoaster ways is accurate. It’s not bashing in any way.–Joe

  13. TAC Says:

    “contributes to this media frenzy”

    Yup, I saw Joe’s arm up Tarkenton backside up to his shoulder, moving Franny’s lips with his brown stained fingers.

    More F’n sprinkles of sunshine, and lollipops for all.

    Give Fro-balls late a trophy, everyone gets one these days don’t ya know.

  14. BucsRokk26 Says:

    Yes….WAY out of control. With the way people are acting you would think it’s December already. IT’S PRESEASON STILL PEOPLE!!!

    He is the best chance we have to win this year. The only chance for that matter. We’re not trading for a QB and Glennon is a joke.

    This is JF5′s second year in a system and he is surrounded with weapons and good coaches for the first time in his career. You people forget his first three years he had a group of party hopping high school coaches and no talent around him. And you wonder why he’s been inconsistent…

    And yes people the Defense gave up the lead in 4 games last year too. As bad as he played down the stretch, he still had us in those games with the opportunity to win.

    This is THE NO EXCUSES YEAR.

    So SHUT UP and give him he’s last shot to prove it.

  15. PRBucFan Says:

    “No matter how much McCoy or anyone else defends Freeman, there’s only one way for Freeman to stop the bashing: play consistently well and win games.”

    Exactly, IMO I would say the fire that has been getting hotter under his seat falls right in line with where he’s currently at in his NFL career.

    Year 5, 55+ starts, it comes with the job, deal with it and prove otherwise.

  16. Blackmagic00 Says:

    Anyone who thinks Glennon is even close to ready did’nt watch him or Free very close. Glennon stares his WR’s down and gets rid of the ball when no one is home. Free looks better so far this year. The sacks were because the line failed. Free looks comfortable out there and his throws have been real nice and fast. I saw him make a lot of reads. Glennon makes one or two reads and gets scared. Our best chance is Free not Glennon. I can not wait for Saturday to get here. Gotta hunch we will destroy the fish when our starters are in.

  17. Couch Fan Says:

    Wow, that is the worst analyst I’ve seen yet…. I’m not sure what you’ve been watching but scared is the last thing i would say Glennon looks like out there. That is completely asinine…. Then you say Freeman looked comfortable back there? Really?…. Yea, no bias there what so ever. LOL

  18. Bucnjim Says:

    I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand! In the work place I like to call it pulling your own weight. The offense was ranked 9th last year; 17th in 2011 and 21st in 2010. That’s improvement every year! The Defense has gone from 19th in 2010 to 31st and 29th. The bottom of the pack not even the middle. Only three teams in the top 10 in offense did not make the playoffs and all three had terrible D’s two below 29. Freeman may never be an elite QB, but if you look at the Super Bowl it will show you that good Defense with a decent QB will give you a chance every single year. Give this guy a break because the personal attacks are showing everyone a serious lack of intelligence on the part of fans doing it.

  19. stevek Says:

    “No matter how much McCoy or anyone else defends Freeman, there’s only one way for Freeman to stop the bashing: play consistently well and win games.”

    ^ Yes, Joe, yes!

    Winning is the only thing that matters. Freeman can become a “franchise QB” this year, or he can take a hike.

    Glennon may be more than capable, and I will continue to laugh at those that doubt him for the sake of doubting.

    Freeman has his faults, but there is still a chance that he gets his act together. Nothing like a contract year to light that fire.

    Why do some “fans” continue to base Glennon? Most Glennon haters do so by expressing “blind faith” to the incumbent QB, but it really just shows the insecurity in their opinions.

    Come back, Buc1987, I lilke hearing your side of the coin.

    55 starts, a GREAT QB SEASON 3 years ago, the time is now.

    Has Freeman not developed into our guy? Not yet, but he still can do it.

    It is important to root for all Buc QBs, not just the mediocre incumbent starter.

    Big Bird flashes a lot of poise and precision. I liked watching him conduct the offesne. Let’s hope Freeman can process, throw, progress through reads and so on.

    Now or never in Tampa Bay.

  20. Kevin Says:

    Anyone see Mathew Stafford play this preseason….Looks WORSE than Freeman…you hear anyone in Detroit calling for his head??? Lions went 4-12 last season…WTF???????? Saints went 7-9 last time I checked along with the panthers. I hope Freeman TORCHES miami this weekend and at least put’s a dimmer on the bashing until his first loss in regular season.

  21. Morgan Says:

    You can’t call my sister ugly —-but I can.

    Tarkenton’s point of view is what outsiders see. Fran probably doesn’t see too many Bucs games and doesn’t know Josh’s stats. But the most important stat is the Bucs’ won loss record, and so far, Josh hasn’t taken us to the playoffs and should receive the criticism. To the victor goes the spoils – and to the loser comes the criticism……..

  22. BFFL Says:

    Bad QBs take sacks. It’s no coincidence that the greats never get sacked. Free has to process what’s going on quicker and either scramble or hit the hot route (btw, does Sully’s ofense even have hot routes?). All this has to occur within 3 seconds or less which is why footwork becomes critical.

    Glennon is not a joke as some have suggested. He has shown great footwork and quick decision making, but he will make mistakes as he adjusts to the speed and talent of the NFL.

    If Free does no play better quickly then expect Glennon to be the new starter. This isn’t bashing, but constructive criticism. If Free looks bad this Saturday, then all hell will break loose. I personally hope Free does well.

  23. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ bucfanjeff

    I agree with your “inaccurate” opinion. not going to sugar coat it.

  24. Eric Says:

    Four “likes” and a “you know”.

  25. Andrew 1 Says:

    ^^^^ he’s a football player, not an English teacher. what difference does it make how he speaks, as long as he’s a good footballer player.

  26. Eric Says:

    @andrew,

    Doesn’t matter to me. Or OU apparently.

    Just a joke bro.

  27. Tony Says:

    I think this Freeman bashing has more to do with how he ended the season along with his preseason form. Throw in a contract year along with a rookie that somehow/someway has better composure than him and you see how we got here. If that awful stretch last year was flip flopped with his great performances and there would be no issue. Again, his off behavior with his football camp doesn’t help either. Anyone here really comfortable giving this guy $20million a year?

  28. Andrew 1 Says:

    lol feel free to critique my grammar. don’t care really.

  29. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Tony

    just curious, what happened at his football camp? I seem to have missed that story.

  30. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Bad QBs take sacks. It’s no coincidence that the greats never get sacked.

    Lol. Aaron Rodgers was sacked for a league leading 51 times in 2012. Man the lengths these guys will go to bash Freeman.

  31. Morgan Says:

    Duemig is taking sides: protecting Freeman. Wouldn’t get tied up w/ Deumig’s rant. He’s completely ignoring Theismann’s accolades. Makes better ratings to slam Fran. Duemig appears to be contrarian in nature and knows that a large number of Buc fans are very concerned about Josh’s abilities (reading defenses, making accurate passes).

  32. Illuminati Says:

    @ Kevin

    Detroit ownership and management already put their faith in Stafford by giving him a big contract extension. Detroit also didn’t draft a QB to push Stafford, or to be a potential QB of the future. Also, Stafford has led Detroit to the playoffs, which that team hadn’t sniffed in over a decade.

    We haven’t put that kind of faith in Freeman. We didn’t give him a big contract extension. He hasn’t led us to the playoffs. Then, we draft the third overall QB taken in the draft.

    Hence, controversy.

    Granted, Tarkenton’s condemnation of Freeman as being “God-awful” is over the top, and largely unwarranted given Freeman’s career stats.

    But it’s unfair to say that Bucs fans should regard Freeman’s situation in the same light as Lions fans regard Stafford’s situation. Because the circumstances are vastly different right now, even if the players’ career numbers aren’t that far apart.

  33. Mean D Says:

    Joe, you are really over playing this “Mike Glennon Mob” crap. I really doubt Fran Tarkenton is a huge Mike Glennon fan.

  34. gotbbucs Says:

    Freeman is what he is. His mechanics are what they are at this point, if they were going to get fixed they would have been by now. His decision making might improve some the better he understands the offense, but honestly, after two offseasons and one full season under his belt in the scheme if he doesn’t have it yet he probably never will fully grasp it.
    I think it’s a poor scheme fit for him. He’s better at improvising on the run and this offense forces him to stay in the pocket. Freeman will have a better chance if he has the balls to tell the coaches how he wants to play, if he lets them force him into play calls that he doesn’t feel comfortable with he will fail. Bottom line.
    He is going to miss head scratching easy throws and he is going to thread the needle from time to time and make you say “wow”. I am slowly but surely coming to the realization that this is close to as good as it’s going to get for him. The running game is going to have to be what carries this team and Freeman connecting on some play action bombs. If we have to rely on Freeman converting a lot of 3rd and 7+ then we will have a rough time on offense.
    Like somebody said above, the defense is going to have to come up with some stops at the end of some games or we will have a repeat of last year.

  35. Illuminati Says:

    @ gotbbucs

    I think it’s a poor scheme fit for him. He’s better at improvising on the run and this offense forces him to stay in the pocket.

    Well, if they have any intention of opening the offense up a little to better suit Freeman’s strengths, they are definitely not going to reveal that during the preseason.

  36. Biff Barker Says:

    Joshua ” La Piñata Grande” Freeman.
    The victim card has been well played…. his detractors are now branded as a mob.

  37. Bobby Says:

    Hey! Good point about Stafford! Isn’t it funny how a QB can pass for that many yards and yet without a good defense still lose a lot of games??? Just sayin’….

  38. bob Says:

    freeman needs work so he can see the d better, i hope he plays all game this week to fix this, so we dont start 1-5

  39. BigMacAttack Says:

    Just Win Baby!!!

  40. Tony Says:

    @Andrew1

    He slept through one of the days…then called it ‘car problems’. Then he was supposed to call in to 620 the following day and eventually did…an hour late. When he finally called in he sounded very out of it. He was rambling/ranting and Ron was trying to cut the interview off but Josh kept talking and slurring his speech. Not becoming behavior of a franchise QB. I’ve met Josh personally and thought he was a genuinely great guy and I wish him the best, but he is giving many reasons to doubt.

  41. FloridaGirl Says:

    Let’s see what he actually does in the first quarter of the season. Second year in the system so that should be a better indication of the progression from the off season. Like it or not folks, this is the best QB the Bucs have ever had…take a look at the W/L ratio….Bucs D couldn’t hold the lead in at least 4 games. I’m not a Free apologist – he is wildly inconsistent – but when combined with the remainder of the team, if they live up to potential, they’ll be more competitive.

  42. raphael Says:

    this town does not deserve a winning team, and this town does not deserve Josh Freeman… fact is he is a winner and 90 % of the people on this web site are the dumbest (not fans) on earth… I will be going to other webstes most of the time …..losers

  43. Illuminati Says:

    Here’s the bottom line, you fargin’ bastages:

    Go back and look at Freeman’s college stats, and read all of the scouting reports you can find about him.

    Go back and look at Glennon’s college stats, and read all of the scouting reports you can find about him.

    Project how they might be drafted in some fantasy parallel football universe where they both came out the same year.

    Who would you have drafted? I’m guessing it would be a pretty even split.

    Now, evaluate Freeman’s progress so far as a pro. He’s proven to be at least slightly above average, but not great. Yet, many teams would be better off with Freeman behind center than whoever they have now.

    Glennon is still unknown. However, Glennon would seem to have generally better throwing mechanics, and is better at the short-to-intermediate routes. He also is a quick study, can make all the throws Freeman can, and will not hesitate to take command of the offense and bark orders at veterans even though he’s an untested rookie.

    So, we have the first guy that has been around for three-and-a-half years and is still only just very slightly above average. Then, we have the new guy who evaluates at least as highly, and probably a little higher, and projects to have a more complete game.

    How can you not see that as a source of controversy?

    Freeman should have every chance to prove himself this year. But to think that people are “Freeman bashers” or that they’re not “real fans” for hoping that Glennon might be the future if Freeman turns out not be is insane.

  44. Adam Says:

    Put up or shut up, Josh.

    If you don’t like the criticism, win some God damn games…. at home……….against GOOD teams.

  45. Tony Says:

    @illuminati

    Well said. It’s nothing personal against Josh at all. Heck, last year we all thought he finally turned the corner….and then he took a HUGE step back.

  46. Greg Says:

    I’m glad someone is finally sticking up for the guy. I hope McCoy and all the other Bucs realize than 90% of all the negativity is from the media not being intelligent enough to talk about football with resorting to negativity just like politics and cheap tv ratings. Stirring the pot by telling half truths and manipulating the people. No one brings up the fact that Flaco or Eli Manning had less stats and only are competitive because of their defenses. If Freeman had the defense Jeff Garcia, Brad Johnson, Shaun King, or Trent Dilfer had we would already have at least another ring and Freeman would already have a street named after him. Way to keep up the negativity you ratings whores your really helping Tampa Bay!!!

  47. grif4foozball Says:

    Fran T. was dead-on about Free(wo)man,what a refreshing interview,it sounded old school cuz he didn’t sugar coat anything like a pussy.

  48. BigMacAttack Says:

    @Tony, I don’t condemn Josh if he truly did what you say with 620. I don’t know many 25 yr olds that don’t occasionally have some fun. What he does on his time is his business, provided he doesn’t hurt others. Now add the fact that he has all the money he needs and handles it pretty well. I have never heard anyone say Josh drinks and drives or anything worse. He is a pretty good kid from a good family. Ian can be a real so-n-so himself at times. I don’t understand how those who despise Josh will find any reason to tear him down. And those that judge him personally for things like you mention or the MJ photos speak as if they are perfect. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    Can we at least get to the regular season before we cast Josh off to the depths of Hell. This is getting ridiculous and not one of you clowns could do his job, not then, not now, not ever.

  49. Illuminati Says:

    @ Tony

    Hear, hear.

    I don’t want what’s best only for Josh Freeman’s team, or only for Mike Glennon’s team. I want what’s best for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    As far as I’m concerned, that makes me a “real fan.”

    GO BUCS!

  50. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @BigMacAttack

    That’s all I really want. Just to let him play. Stop bashing him before he even takes a regular season snap. If he tanks it, whatever, put Glennon in. Until then, let him play.

  51. Tony Says:

    @BigMackAttack

    He absolutely did what I said on 620 (thankfully Vincent Jackson was at his camp to cover for him) and I agree with you completely that what he does on his own time is his business. Trust me, I was no Saint at 25. Like I said, Josh actually approached me out in public and started up a conversation and I thought he was great, very likable guy. We all know when you get on Ian’s bad said he will roll you every single day on their show. Josh will have the chance to prove himself.

  52. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    The problem is Tampa fans expect Freeman to eith be elite or go away. Not all great quarterbacks become elite. I’m not saying Josh won’t.

    But Tampa fans think, for some reason that they can have what the town has never had…a Manning. A Rogers. A Big Ben.

    Maybe 5 teams have that. The rest settle for just good quarterbacks. That’s what Josh Freeman is right now. The only reason he hasn’t led the team to the playoffs is because of a bad call by the refs. He did what he needed in 2010. Since starting the defense has been steadily getting worse. Yet even with the worse secondary in the nfl, Freeman managed to throw for over 4000 yards last year. He officially became the best quarterback to start for the Bucs.

    Yet there are some fans that seem to think we can start a rookie and end up with a Wilson or RGIII. It doesn’t happen often as that and usually such players take a huge step backward in year 2.

    All I’ve seen from Glennon are picks and quick passes. Too quick most of the time. Against backups he gets away with it. Against starters? Goodbye Glennon.

  53. Tony Says:

    The problem is the contract situation. As an organization would you be comfortable paying him a huge contract? He has the supporting cast now (defense included).

  54. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Tony Says: August 20th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    @Andrew1

    “He slept through one of the days…then called it ‘car problems’.”

    NOT TRUE AT ALL.

    He didn’t sleep thru the day…he got there late. Got your facts right, please.

  55. Mean D Says:

    Josh Freeman making 20 mil a year is laughable. He is not that good and we will still make the playoffs.

  56. Tony Says:

    @BuccaneerBonzai

    He showed up at the very end as they were breaking for the day…that was the ‘day’ for those kids. It was his own football camp.

  57. Andrew 1 Says:

    thanks for filling me in, didnt know that.

  58. BamBamBuc Says:

    Illuminati:

    Here’s one about Glennon from CBS Sports

    STRENGTHS: Ideal height to see over defenses. Accurate on the move, showing the ability to square his shoulders while rolling right and delivering an accurate ball. Very good arm strength. Throws a tight spiral with very good velocity and the confidence to thread the needle against tight coverage. Showed improved recognition of defenses as a senior.

    WEAKNESSES: Has just two seasons as a starting quarterback and saw his completion rate drop and interceptions rise last season. Lacks the athleticism to escape pressure and has erratic accuracy when forced to re-set his feet, making him vulnerable to pressure. Highly inconsistent throughout the week of practice and in the Saturday game at the Senior Bowl.

    COMPARES TO: Derek Anderson, QB, Panthers — With only two seasons as a college starter, Glennon has the upside to warrant development and may very well ascend to greater heights than Anderson has. He has a big arm to make all the throws like Anderson. Glennon is a streaky passer and a stationary target in an era in which dual-threat QBs are thriving.

    –Dane Brugler

    Now… I don’t know about you, but the Derek Anderson comparison is a big red flag to me. Basically that says career backup that can step in and start, but never be anything really special. I also find it interesting that his “pro” is improved defense recognition, but his “con” is fewer completions, more interceptions. Seems kind of contradictory to me. If he reads defenses better now, why did his INT rate go up? If he can “thread the needle”, why more incompletes and INTs? He’s less mobile, and it’s stated in EVERY scouting report. Many state that his mechanics break down under pressure and his accuracy and decision making suffer. Most talk of his “inconsistency”.

    OK, so it’s “unknown” how he will perform in the NFL. And we’ve seen 3 1/2 years of Freeman. But we’ve seen Freeman have some exceptional games in the NFL, so he can do it. We know that, the question is can he do it consistently. He had a very good 2010, and a record breaking 2012 with fewer wins. That’s 2 of the 3 1/2 season that are pretty good in the NFL.

    So, what’s the difference between almost making the playoffs and being a Pro Bowl alternate in 2010 and his 2012 season? How about a defense that gave up the 4th most yards and 10th most points in 2012 vs having a defense that gave up the 16th most yards, but the 9th FEWEST points in 2010. The 2010 offense was actually slightly below the NFL average in both yards and points scored. The 2012 team was well above average in both points and yards on offense. The record in 2010 shows the balance of the team, while the record in 2012 shows the deficiency on defense.

    We can talk about 2 games near the end of the year when the playoffs were out of reach already in which Freeman threw 4 INTs both games. Those were bad games by Josh. Beyond that, we can point to the Cowboys game as another poor performance by Josh. Other than that, the rest of the games may not have been “elite”, but were pretty good. Good enough to get the W? Well, 6 of them obviously not, but was that on Free? Giants and Saints game we had the lead early. Giants game we scored 34, Saints 28… usually winning point totals. Washington, Atlanta and Philly we had the lead in the 4th qtr, but lost (two of those with no time left on the clock). That only leaves the Denver game, which the D played well the first half, the offense was ok, we had a halftime lead…. but the Broncos were the better team in the 2nd half.

    Even if I say the Broncos, Saints, Rams and Cowboys games were Freeman’s fault, I can’t pin the other 5 losses on him no matter how I look at it.

    Glennon didn’t exactly tear it up in college. Neither did Freeman. Both draft classes were considered “weak”, yet the 2009 class projected 3 QBs in the first round, including Freeman more often than not (yes, he was projected as a 2nd rounder by some scouts). Glennon, in a weak QB draft, wasn’t scouted any higher than the 2nd round, some thought 5th round, none think he’s NFL ready.

  59. Architek Says:

    LoL I like how a great QB was blunt and finally someone respond outside the person it was directed at – argument over. Validation complete now the burden of proof is on Freeman and his coaches. Oh yes they own some of this PR debacle.

    Just wait until week 10 and the season is in full tilt! Oh this is just the beginning.

  60. BamBamBuc Says:

    Tony:

    If the defense can just play to 2010 level, and the offense just maintains 2012 level… I think we go far and yes, I’d be very comfortable paying him the big bucks.

    Pretty simple…. look at last year’s playoff teams, plus the Bears and Giants (closest teams that missed out):

    Only 2 were in the bottom 12 in points allowed defensively (Colts, Skins)
    The other 12 teams were top 15 in points allowed (only Miami was top 10 and not close to playoffs)

    In 2011, 5 playoff teams were bottom half in points allowed (worst being 25th) and 5 were top 10.

    In 2010, the top 8 defensive teams all made the playoffs, the 9th (Bucs) just missed with a 10-6 record in a tie break with the Packers and Giants (Packers won the tie break, and were also the #2 defense)

    Starting to get the idea yet? No matter how good the offense, it’s difficult to make the playoffs if your defense is in the bottom 12. Not impossible (the Giants won the SB with a bottom 12 D), but highly unlikely. Yet, let’s blame the QB.

  61. Mr Lucky Says:

    @Bam Bam

    Stop making excuses for Freeman just stop it.

    If Freeman doesn’t like the criticism it’s simple; take control and outperform!

    I really don’t give a rats azz about Freeman being in the ProBowl in 2010 or whatever. I don’t care about how crappy Josh was last year when it appeared he cared more about playing MJ than playing football.

    What I CARE about is this:

    1. Being a leader
    2. Showing some FIRE
    3. Accuracy – more passes like the one to Olgletree that was spot on
    4. Winning.

    Winning shuts up critics so Josh if you don’t like the criticism just win.

    Do you think it gets any easier in New York, Chicago or Boston?

  62. Mr Lucky Says:

    @Bam Bam

    Your reliance on the defense doesn’t apply to the Patriots or Saints?

    The ONLY way the Bucs get back to the Dungy Days of Defense (DDD) is to let Freeman go and take the QB money and get proven LB & DE.

  63. Architek Says:

    Great points Mr Lucky

  64. Illuminati Says:

    @ BamBam

    So, you posted ONE analysis of Glennon?

    None about Freeman.

    That’s hardly objective.

    I’m asking that you read ALL of the analyses about BOTH of them, and then report back.

  65. Illuminati Says:

    @ BamBam

    This is how it works when you only post biased responses:

    Mike Glenonn:

    Prototypical Pocket QB Size
    Stands tall in the pocket with enough bulk to absorb hits.
    Shown the ability to roll out on design and throw on the run.
    Can throw his receiver open and fit it into tight spots with his fastballClean delivery, with 3/4 quarter release, the ball comes off the hand nice with tight spiral.
    Works the middle of the field well and finds his check down receivers.
    Changes velocity and arc depending on the throw, good touch at times.
    Throws a nice deep ball, can drop it in and lead receiver to space.
    Stands tall in the pocket with his eyes downfield.
    His size allows him to see the whole field and survey the defense.
    Takes time to go through his progressions and can move defenders with his eyes.
    Can take a hit and occasionally shrug off defender to get the ball completed.
    Goes through his reads and doesn’t lock onto one guy – not afraid to take a short gain
    Pro style system, experience both under center and from the shot gun.
    When given time he will find the open receiver and can make the tough throws.
    Showed the ability to lead the two minute drill many times to the endzone, including vs. FSU in big game.
    Had little help around him, WR dropped lots of balls, no running game, but he continued to make plays.
    By all accounts a hard worker in the film room, and teammates respect him.

    Josh Freeman:

    Not quite ready to be a starting NFL quarterback because of his lack of technique and proper footwork.
    Rarely steps into his throws.
    Holds the ball too low when he drops back which nullifies any kind of quick release he would have.
    Deep accuracy is somewhat questionableTook the majority of his snaps from the shotgun. Struggles when he has to throw on the move.
    He is very mechanically flawed and will need a patient quarterbacks coach.
    Accuracy was abysmal in junior year.
    Locks on to receivers and shows below-average field vision.
    Wildly inconsistent; runs hot and cold.
    Questionable leadership.

  66. Illuminati Says:

    And yet, how much of the above is still true?

  67. BamBamBuc Says:

    Illuminati: I read both players scouting reports from many sites. Only posted that one of Glennon because it was pretty universal.

    And to the rest… Defense did apply to the Patriots and Saints. Notice how the potent Saints offense couldn’t compensate for horrible defense last year, then look at the past couple seasons and the patriots, saints, falcons, ravens, 49ers, etc defenses.

    I’m not saying return to Dungy days of defense (although that would be great), but 2010 defense would have been good enough for 3 more wins last year and potential playoffs.

  68. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s becoming real hard for me not to comment with these 2 idiots.

  69. Buc1987 Says:

    Now that I see BamBam fighting back. I will go back into seclusion. Buh bye. Believe me 1987 fans it’s been a tough day on me. Buh bye.

  70. PRBucFan Says:

    “Fact is Josh is a winner”

    Lost all credibility right there lol.

    Not yet he isn’t, quite on the contrary actually.

  71. Illuminati Says:

    @ Buc1987

    Who are you kidding? You can never leave.

  72. PRBucFan Says:

    In the end the ONLY thing that is going to keep Freeman in TB after this season is over are W’s

    That much is certain.

  73. BamBamBuc Says:

    Illuminati: Almost word for word from NEPatriotsDraft site. So, let’s see what you left out….

    Glennon

    - Extremely slow runner and struggles to elude pass rushers in the pocket
    - Needs to add another 10 pounds to his frame, looks too lanky
    - Feet are slow and has such limited mobility (reminds me some of Drew Bledsoe in the pocket)
    - Accuracy wanes at times depending on pass rush and if pocket is intact
    - Mechanics and footwork will break down causing erratic passes, especially outside the numbers
    - When internal clock gets sped up he will rush throws, making bad decisions and turnovers
    - Thinks his arm is stronger than it is and relies on it at times
    - His biggest weakness, feet are slow and rarely steps up into the pocket to buy time
    - Has tendency to throw off his back foot, which is leading cause to his inaccuracy
    - Doesn’t understand how to manipulate the pocket with his feet, instead stands in as long as he can
    - Will open up the front side completely at times and try to throw it all with his arm
    - Completely different passer with a clean pocket vs. pass rush
    - Poor decisions, especially under pressure – number of INT rose as a Senior
    - Lack of pocket mobility and ability to step up in pocket is root of a lot of problems
    - Is prone to fumbles and turnovers in the pocket because he holds the ball too long
    Not fiery or vocal, some have questioned his passion for the game

    Overview:
    Mike Glennon’s name has been brought up as a possible high first round pick due to the lack of a clear-cut #1 QB this year. While he possesses the prototypical size, NFL arm and ability to run an offense, I see enough holes in his game that would make me very hesitant about drafting him in the first round. His lack of mobility in the pocket and inability to step up vs. the rush is a big concern for me. When he has a clean pocket and time he can make any throw and “wow” you at times. However, when faced with a rush he breaks down and will throw off his back foot, or speed things up usually ending up in a mistake.

    Glennon absolutely has talent, but he doesn’t have Matthew Stafford’s arm, he is severely limited athletically and struggles in the pocket. As a 2nd-3rd round pick with adequate time to develop and grow he could be an NFL starter. But, he’s not ready to be “the guy” in the NFL yet and to rush him would likely inhibit his development and limit his ceiling.

  74. Buc1987 Says:

    Illuminati…I’ve been reading comments all day long. But Mr Lucky and Architek just struck a nerve. I’ll still read the comments of course I will, but it’s going to take something extremely off the wall to get me to comment again. The comment I have in my word pad would make your jaw drop if I were to post it. Then BamBam came back and starting defending himself. So I saw no need to paste it. It is going to take a lot I mean a LOT of BS to get me to comment. Mr Lucky and Architek is what brought me out, that and the vodka.

  75. Illuminati Says:

    Here’s the reality, jackholes:

    Freeman = best QB we’ve ever had in Tampa

    However, we’ve never really had a good QB.

    So, we fall in love with him, and want him to do well.

    Then, along comes legitimate competition.

    Yikes! We don’t know what to do!

    So, some of us choose sides.

    But, oh! We don’t really have to choose sides! We only have to root for our team! Yay!

    Does that simplify it enough?

  76. BamBamBuc Says:

    Illuminati: (cont)

    And now for Freeman. These came from SB Nation, where you drew your statements from (only the cons, by the way, so let’s see the pros and the overall)

    Strengths: Incredible arm strength. Can make just about any deep throw. Puts a nice touch on passes and knows when to take some heat off throws. Great size and can take a hit. Never had the best offensive line protecting him and was pressured frequently. Showed during his junior season that he can be mobile rushing for 14 touchdowns. Cut down on his interceptions ever season but still needs to improve his decision making. Played in a pro-style offense, albeit mostly from the shotgun.

    Final word: Freeman is an incredibly intriguing prospect. He has a powerful arm and good touch. However, he is very mechanically flawed and will need a patient quarterbacks coach. Threw 34 interceptions in 35 career games, which is troublesome. Still, some team will fall in love with his physical tools. At times his play is reminiscent of Ben Roethlisberger, but he’s been too inconsistent to chance a first-round pick on.

    Again…. There’s more to it. Look at Glennon, look at Freeman. Both have flaws, Neither were NFL ready. But Freeman has had success in the NFL, just inconsistently. Inconsistent success is still better than what many teams have. Guys have come and gone that had more “potential” than Freeman because they never even had inconsistent success.

    Any comments I’ve made regarding the defense are not excuses for Freeman, they’re fact, truth, statistics that cannot be denied about more than just our team… about the NFL and playoff teams. Not biased (I showed where teams did not have the best D and made the playoffs like the Colts and Skins last year). If they’re excuses for anything (and I’d prefer the term “reasons”) it’s for why the team only won 7 games and missed the playoffs…. nothing to do with Freeman at all… the offense was pretty good.

  77. Adam Says:

    I haven’t seen this many excuses since Obama tried to explain Benghazi.

  78. BamBamBuc Says:

    And where are we getting “legitimate competition” from? Glennon has never won anything. Last year NC State was 3rd in the Atlantic division of the ACC and only 4-4 in conference play. In 2011 they were 4th in the Atlantic division and still 4-4 in conference play. Before that, he was a backup to another guy that wasn’t considered any better than a 3rd round pick in the NFL until he played a great rookie year and now, all of a sudden, he’s the next coming of Joe Montana… Russell Wilson.

  79. BamBamBuc Says:

    And…. at least on the CBS Sports scouting report I put up, I put BOTH strengths AND weaknesses for Glennon… I don’t see what’s so biased about that. If I had done what you did, yeah, that would have been biased.

  80. Illuminati Says:

    BamBam

    For God’s sake, did you not get my original point abot how you could post anyone’s analysis to suit your point?

    That’s why I said:

    BamBam

    This is how it works when you only post biased responses:

  81. PRBucFan Says:

    I didnt think you could say “Glennon is slow” in so many different ways lol.

  82. gotbbucs Says:

    What is the point of arguing about each players college analysis? It no longer has any relevance.

    At this point Freeman is a middle of the pack NFL QB and Glennon is a giant question mark. Did I miss something? Freeman will start the season and if by the halfway point we are only .500 then decisions will have to be made.

  83. PRBucFan Says:

    The Glennon we saw in there against the Pats wasn’t even blinking when the pocket was collapsing on him.

  84. BamBamBuc Says:

    Mr. Lucky: In 2010, the Saints were 7th best in points allowed, the Patriots were 8th best. In 2011 the Saints were 13th, Patriots 15th. Both years both teams made the playoffs. Last year, the Patriots had the 9th best defense in points allowed, the Saints were 31st… guess which team went 7-9 and missed the playoffs???

    Last time the Saints made the playoffs outside having a top 15 defense was 2009 with the 20th overall in points allowed and they won the Super Bowl. What I have shown is that the majority of teams EVERY year in recent history have had a top 15 defense. We had #23 in points allowed last year, missed the playoffs, had 9th in 2010 and barely missed. I’d blame 2010 on the offense more than 2012.

  85. PRBucFan Says:

    False, none of this would even be a discussion if Freeman weren’t still in question himself.

  86. BigMacAttack Says:

    You know it’s funny how a QB can throw a ball 50 yds to a moving target and be off less than a foot and he gets crucified. All the while he has 300# monsters rushing in trying to kill him, noise coming from all angles, and he has to choose which moving target to hit.

    On the other hand you have a guy, dressed in pink plaid pants, hitting a tiny ball with a huge club and if he gets the ball within 20′ of his stationary target, he is the best Golfer in the world. Oh and if the weather is bad, he gets to wait it out. Freakin people kill me. We all get frustrated when a guy has a bad game, but let it go, really. I guess I’m not a real fan.

  87. BamBamBuc Says:

    Illuminati: Your statement suggested the Glennon report I posted was biased. It was actually quite unbiased showing both positive AND negative. And yes, I read both those reports about Glennon AND Freeman before you posted them.

    gotbucs: I agree, couldn’t care less about college stats in the NFL, but unfortunately that’s all we have on Glennon to this point, and I understand why Illuminati wants to use the comparison. Thing is, Glennon (in most reports) has the exact same issues Freeman had coming out of college and still has now, except he’s less mobile. Also, I’d rather have a middle of the pack NFL QB than a total risk on a player that most every analyst thinks is not ready for the NFL. Middle of the pack is still better than potentially bottom of the pack. Is there a potential for top of the pack? Sure, but he probably would have been drafted top 5 if that were the case.

  88. BamBamBuc Says:

    LOL BigMac… I agree COMPLETELY!!!

  89. Buc1987 Says:

    The title of the article.
    “Freeman Bashing Irks Gerald McCoy”

    All I have to say to GMC is if he thinks it irks him, try blogging to supposed Buc fans all day on JBF. Good lord he has no idea how bad the supposed Buc fans really are. All he hears is the media. If he were to come in here and read some of this stuff, he’d probably ask for a trade. Ya know I would not blame him either.

  90. Illuminati Says:

    BamBamBuc

    Is there a potential for top of the pack? Sure, but he probably would have been drafted top 5 if that were the case.

    I think you have to look at the reality of this last draft. Glennon was considered by many scouts to be the best QB prospect. But none of the QBs in this draft were considered to be day-1 starters.

    Manuel went 1, Geno 2, Glennon 3. Are you telling me that you think Manuel or Geno is any more ready to start than Glennon?

    Forget about what happens here. why don’t you spend the rest of the season watching Buffalo and the Jets, and tell us if you don’t think they’d be better if they had taken Glennon instead?

  91. Architek Says:

    I just pray for another Andrew Luck to fall from the football Gods and we tank like the Colts. Stop all of this Ruud-like discussion.

    This is what got Gruden/Raheem/Ruud canned – who’s next? I guess we will have to wait 17 weeks to see.

  92. BamBamBuc Says:

    Which is why Manuel & Smith weren’t drafted top 5 either. True enough, none of them should be day 1 starters. Glennon is in a boom or bust situation. If he sits and Freeman succeeds, he’s relegated to backup. If Freeman flops, he’s got a very talented team around him for next year. Personally, I think all 3 teams would have been better off with an option next year, but that’s my opinion. It was my opinion during the draft, and remains the same. Free is the starter this year. If he fails this year, I’d rather have a more talented rookie next year than a long shot this year.

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    “Freeman Bashing Irks Gerald McCoy”
    If I was McCoy and read the daily comments posted by Buc fans on JoeBuc. I’d ask for a trade.

  94. TPCMatt Says:

    Interesting perspective of Free.

    https://m.numberfire.com/nfl/news/1002/defending-josh-freeman-it-s-not-his-fault

  95. BamBamBuc Says:

    Matt: obviously statistics mean nothing to these guys. It doesn’t matter if we have a run game, o-line, defense or coaches. If Freeman cantvgo out there 1-on-11 and win, it’s his fault (sarcasm)

  96. Illuminati Says:

    @BamBmamuc

    Glennon is in a boom or bust situation.

    No, he’s not.

    No one expects Glennon to boom.

  97. Bobby Says:

    Funny how when you break it down like that article did it really is about the defense more than Freeman. Hey but don’t read that crap. Logic and common sense have no place on this site.

  98. Buc1987 Says:

    TPCMatt …I’m surprised that Joe even allowed that link to stay up. Joe does not like any outsiders opinion that he does not post himself. Good luck with it staying up. Perhaps you should have e-mailed him the article first. That’s how it works on his website. He’s the ultimate ruler ya know. It’s his site.

    BamBam your right. No matter how much stats and evidence you post. They come back with garbage. If Josh has a great year, and our team goes to the playoffs, and then he leaves the Bucs. It will piss me off. On the other hand it will be what 50% of the fan base deserves for their own stupidity.

  99. Buc1987 Says:

    I do know one thing. On September 15th. There will be about 45,000 Buc fans or more in the surrounding parking lots of RJS, me included. Those are REAL Buc fans. The ones that bash Freeman, Schiano, or Dominik on JoeBuc will NOT be there. This I have learned over the past 2 months of blogging on this site. I mean why would you attend a game if you continued to bash any Buc player or the organization? I know I wouldn’t, that’s just common sense. I bought my season tickets on a belief that this is going to be a great season. Just keep that in mind when you read the constant negative posts made by these people on JoeBuc. 99.9% of them will not be there this season, unless they see winning going on. To me you either believe or you don’t believe or you won’t spend your money on them in is this economy. There is no in between, if’s and or maybe’s. YES they are fans. Just fans of a winning organization. If not they will bash and bash until it happens. Then they will go to a game or 2 that’s called a bandwagon fan and JoeBuc has many of them. Yes people I have come out of my shell. Just for tonight, I promise you that. If I see extreme BS going on it might pull me out again. Believe this though if I come out and post. It means I saw some utter BS going on like what I saw tonight with Mr Lucky and Architek, 2 people who won’t be at RJS on Sept 15th. To think I went to 4 different dismal teams blog sites and found virtually no disdain for their QB’s or team says a lot for MY Bucs and their negative fan base on JoeBuc. Until next time. This is all I’ll post and try REAL hard not to comment and just read the articles and comments. I guarantee it will be hard though. Why? Because this site is filled with such negative Buc fans. Hell I lasted about 12 hours today and had about 6 close calls. Support the team and stop bashing them or their players. No other NFL team’s blog sites do it. Don’t say your a Buc fan and you have a right to do it. I dare one of you to go into a Lion’s or Jag’s blog and start bashing the team like you do here. It doesn’t fly too well. In fact it doesn’t happen at all. You would think the Jag’s fans would be ranting and raving over Gabbert, instead most of them are worried about his busted up finger that he has. They support Gabbert, because he is a Jag. That’s not so with some of you and Freeman, and it’s pretty damn sad. I expect you whoever you are to rant over what I’ve written. It won’t draw me out to this mess of a fan base unless your creative. Peace out.

  100. PRBucFan Says:

    None of this matters lol

    Either he wins and stays or losses and goes, no in-between.

    Fair or not fair, that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.

    With the money these athletes make the pressure and expectancy to produce is well justified.

    P.S. 1987 You are quite incorrect if you think that there wont be fans attending games that are still uncertain about Free or that don’t yet believe in the QB. Or in other aspects of the team for that matter. Many fans love their Bucs and desire for them to do well, doesn’t mean they necessarily believe in all the aspects of the team.

  101. Mr Lucky Says:

    @Buc 1987

    Poor baby can’t handle the TRUTH. Are you related to McCoy as well?

    What BS did I post about Freeman? Did I say to bench Freeman – NO!

    All I wrote was that if Josh doesn’t like it, man up, get a fire in your belly and freaking WIN.

    I guess you definition of being a fan mans you check you high school education at the door and blindly accept everything by faith, even though FACTS get in your way. I guess you believe that Raheem was a great coach too?

    Stop whining and go into seclusion, drink your Pewter Kool-Aid you little sissy.

  102. Mr Lucky Says:

    @Buc1987

    Furthermore your attempt to justify your viewpoint(s) by stating that you went to another teams website and read their comments only proves that YOU are a “true” Bucs fan is pathetic.

    Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, (other than his mother) who believe that Blaine Gabbert should be a starting NFL QB needs to have their head examined. Those Jacksonville fans who AREN’T calling for Gabbert’s head need to have THEIR heads examined, or maybe they are the English ‘football’ (i.e., Manchester U) fans.

    I guess Ronde Barber isn’t a “true Bucs fan” is he? Ronde said, ON NATIONAL TV, “Freeman can’t carry the Bucs”.

    I guess the almighty Buc1987 knows more than a real NFL player who played with Josh Freeman for the past 4 years?

    To summarize, I wasn’t bashing Freeman in my prior posts I was/am merely stating that the Bucs will only go as far as Roller Coaster Josh takes the team.

    It’s more fun to bash a think skinned HOMER like you.

  103. Mr Lucky Says:

    Thin skinned HOMER is what I meant Buc1987.

    But thank you for turning over money to team Glazer. Don’t forget to purchase Bucs jersey #5 as well so we can see you on TV crying in your $8 beer ok?

  104. Couch Fan Says:

    Funny how criticism and bashing get confused from time to time by the freemanites.

    Let me just explain the differences real quick since the sensitive ones dont seem to understand.

    Bashing is what Free’s a boob does. Continually calling Freeman stupid. Senseless hate. Bashing is senseless hate.

    Telling you our opinion on why we think Freeman is not very good… is constructive criticism…

    Believing your opinion is better than everyone’s elses? Well there are a lot of adjectives I could use for that but… not gonna waste my time.

  105. Couch Fan Says:

    P.S. 1987 You are quite incorrect if you think that there wont be fans attending games that are still uncertain about Free or that don’t yet believe in the QB.

    ——————————————————-

    Completely agree. And if Free stinks it up this year, the boos that we heard last year are only gonna get louder. Hope the guy is mentally tough to handle it… he’s gonna need to be.

  106. Couch Fan Says:

    LMAO wow I just read some of these posts and I just laugh silly at how bias some people are…

    So Glennon is not legitimate competition because he’s never won anything? Freeman has 4 years on the guy… still has the exact same problems from when he was a rookie, AND has not won anything himself… but yet Josh is so much better?

    Lol, Then this same person turns around and says our 7-9 season had NOTHING to do with Freeman… Wow. The stupidity is taking over the world.

  107. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Cracking up at the babies.

    If you say you are leaving the site, then, at least follow through on the threat.

  108. Architek Says:

    This is the perfect example of how and why Josh supporters are separated. If you don’t like him that’s cool and if you do that’s cool, has nothing to do with your loyalty or status as a Bucs fan.

    Freeman’s performance brought this on and lack of leadership so don’t blame the defense, weather, or the media got this scrutiny. As I stated yesterday, McCoy running to Freeman defense says enough about Freeman to me. I don’t want anyone defending me in the media, if I were my own leader. You can take it to the bank there won’t be enough defense on the field and locker room to protect freeman if he struggles.

    The writing is on the wall and his issues are mechanical and mental so I expect more the same performance. There is no way he would correct all of his issues in one season that he haven’t done in 5 seasons.

    @bucs1987,
    I hear your point but remember when it’s 3rd and 4 and he short hops a 5 yard slant for an incompletion or have another Dallas game where he staring into space – you will see the other side of the fence.

  109. BigMacAttack Says:

    I don’t necessarily support any single Buc player over another. I support all of the players and coaches on the team, as long as they are on the team. It is just a desire to win and see them do well. As the season progresses, someone is bound to not play well, or coach well, and if it is a fluke so be it, but if it becomes a trend, Schiano will deal with it. I don’t believe for a second that Schiano, Dom, or Bryan G values any player on this team over winning if that player becomes a continued detriment to the team. Again though you morons should at least let this year’s team play the first game before you run your whiny little sucks about how horrible this or that player is. You really have no clue, you never played in the NFL and so many of you care more about being right than winning anyway.

    Somebody will be deserving of a good bashing once the Real Season starts, like Jim Bates was, but don’t you believe that the staff will fix the problem? Last time I checked, this was a team sport. Oh ye of little faith….

  110. Buc1987 Says:

    PRBucFan says :
    ” P.S. 1987 You are quite incorrect if you think that there wont be fans attending games that are still uncertain about Free or that don’t yet believe in the QB. Or in other aspects of the team for that matter. Many fans love their Bucs and desire for them to do well, doesn’t mean they necessarily believe in all the aspects of the team.”

    @PRBucfan..yes I’m sure there will be some at RJS, but none of them are on this site.Except for 1 maybe and that’s Joe.

    Example #1…Classic example.
    Mr Lucky Says : “But thank you for turning over money to team Glazer. Don’t forget to purchase Bucs jersey #5 as well so we can see you on TV crying in your $8 beer ok?” Won’t be going to any games.

    Example #2 Couch Fan has already stated he won’t go to games in the past.

    Example #3 the_bucs_realist has also already stated he won’t be going to any games.

    Example #4 robert has also stated he won’t be going to any games.

    Example #5 SacBucs…bashes everything about the Bucs from top to bottom, and stated he won’t go to any games.

    Example #6 Adam L…bashes the Bucs, by saying “I have very little faith in this team”, then tries to cover it up saying I have season tickets so I can say what I want to say. Won’t be going to any games.

    Example #7, 8, 9, 10. I can go on and on and on. This site is filled with them, I just have to scroll through different threads. I guarantee the bitching that goes on in here does not happen in the parking lots of RJS. The ones that gripe the most won’t be part of the 45,000 fans in the parking lots on Sept 15th. Those are the true believers. Last season the Eagles came to town and 1/2 of the stadium was filled with Eagles fans. The Eagles were 4-9 at the time. Which proves my point. If the Bucs go 4-9 at some point this season, no fans will show up. That’s just how this team’s fan base is. Fairweather fans. JoeBuc has about 15 or so of them. Yes I did say they are fans. I also said they are fairweather fans. It’s just how it is, and it’s always been that way since 1976. I’m not the only one here that points it out from time to time. You see new people come onto JoeBuc and talk about it all the time. They say how some of you can’t be fans. Don’t try to act like you have not read it or I’m the first to say it.

    @ Oil Derrick Brooks …I came back out because some people in here did not want me to leave. I won’t be posting hardly at all. This will be my last post for a long, long time. A REAL Buc fan (not fairweather fan) can only take so much.
    The ONLY reason I came back out an posted in the 1st place was because BamBam made great valid points left and right. Then 2 fools come along and try and knock it down with garbage points. I won’t even click the comment section of this thread again. The ones that are defensive, are the ones that are the most offensive fairweather fans.

    @Mr Lucky…I’d rather have homerism, than loserism like yourself.

  111. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Fairweather fan since 1981 here, first game in 3rd grade.

  112. PRBucFan Says:

    Your making a large assumption.

    There are very few here that aren’t “real fans”, don’t confuse your “opinion” of what a fan is with fact.

    Again, one can be a fan to the fullest and still not be sold on every aspect of the team

    I do see where your coming from in the sense that some people actually do “bash to bash” and that is not correct but for one to define someone’s worth/validity as a fan is also taking it a step too far.

    Some are trolls yes, but most just differ in opinion and perspective.

  113. Adam L. Says:

    HEY BUCS1987 –

    I GO TO EVERY-SINGLE-GAME barring illness or vacations. EVERY ONE. Including pre-season. My entire office is painted red/pewter and ONLY has Bucs stuff on the walls, including all 9 ORIGINAL Sports Illustrated issues with the Bucs on the cover, in frames.

    Don’t EVER question my loyalty to this team. I was riding my Orange and Red Buccaneer Huffy bought from the Montgomery Wards at “Tampa Bay Center” – you know it as the PARKING LOT on HImes and “BUFFALO AVE” – when you were a foul thought in your father’s mind.

    And I HAVE very little faith in this group. There’s a lot of great individual talent, but it lacks depth in MANY key areas and a playoff birth is not going to be based on skill, it’s based on HOPE (We HOPE Bowers plays above his head. We HOPE Revis is 100%. We HOPE Freeman can turn the corner. We HOPE the O-Line comes back from injuries. We HOPE there’s a pass rush). “Hope” isn’t a plan. Ask Obama and his (avg) 9% unemployment rate.

    And if you want to come say hi, I’m in section 218 Row V Seat 1.

  114. BigMacAttack Says:

    @Adam L,
    Lol, all great points you made. I’m at every game too and yes my office is Ali Pewter and Blood Red with Black Crown and trim. I have Bucs crap on all the walls too. It makes me feel at home. I know you want to win and it sounds like Revis is doing well so I expect your view will be improving as we start winning. I’m on the homer side no doubt, can’t always back it up and usually won’t try, just believe strongly.

 
 

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