Darrelle Revis: A Wanted Man?

February 25th, 2014
Are NFL teams trying to trade for Bucs CB Darrelle Revis?

Are NFL teams trying to trade for Bucs CB Darrelle Revis?

The Bucs have had — to be polite — a shaky secondary since Ronde Barber last played cornerback. No matter how much rear-view mirror/revisionist history Bucs fans want to peddle, gun-totin,’ helmet-swinging, cabbie-slugging Aqib Talib was nothing more than an average corner with the Bucs. When he wasn’t hurt, even though some Bucs fans tried to make him out to be the second-coming of Night Train Lane, he wasn’t worth all his hassle and baggage and drama and nonsense.

So the Bucs finally have a decent pair of corners in Darrelle Revis and promising second-year man Johnthan Banks. Even Bucs coach Lovie Smith has hinted cornerback isn’t a priority with the Bucs as the draft and free agency are on the horizon.

But that doesn’t mean other teams aren’t trying to pry away one of the Bucs corners, and that would be Revis, is one is to believe the whispers Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports is hearing. LaCanfora claims teams (plural) are gauging the temperature of the Bucs in wanting to trade the All-World corner.

At this stage no one is making offers, and the Bucs haven’t contacted other teams about the Pro Bowl player, and are not shopping him, but talks could certainly progress as we approach the start of the league year next month. Revis makes $16 million this season and counts $16M against the cap (that holds true for every season through 2018), and Tampa has several other tricky contracts to sort through, particularly along the offensive line with an aging and highly paid group, many of whom are nearing the ends of their contracts.

This is the first year of Tampa’s new regime with general manager Jason Licht and coach Lovie Smith. They did not acquire Revis and Revis may not the best fit in their new defense, with more Cover-2 principles. Smith has talked about retaining Revis publicly, but as the free agency period begins, teams are seemingly more convinced he could be had via trade. Hence the calls of inquiry.

Whole lotta smoke-blowing there. Hell, Indianapolis has so much smoke in the air this time of the year, you’d think the Indianapolis Motor Speedway was on fire.

You will note in the video Joe posted yesterday, at the 2:14 mark, Lovie noted the defense of the Bucs has key ingredients to build up. One of those, Lovie mentioned specifically, is Revis.

Joe just thinks this is late-February s(p)it-stirring. Unless someone is going to blow off Jason Licht’s shoes, Joe would be surprised if Revis is traded. Then you are basically back to square-one without having a decent cornerback duo.

170 Responses to “Darrelle Revis: A Wanted Man?”

  1. deminion Says:

    for a 1st and 4th pull the trigger

  2. Jerry Says:

    For us to even listen, they’d have to offer multiple high picks….and those picks would mainly have to be in THIS draft.

    It’s not going to happen.

  3. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    2 2nd round picks will get the deal done. that will also turn that third into a Fourth that we have to give the Jets

  4. Joe Says:

    2 2nd round picks will get the deal done. that will also turn that third into a Fourth that we have to give the Jets

    Puttin’ a wwwhhhooollleee lotta faith in Rashaan Melvin, aren’t ya?

  5. BucNasty!!! Says:

    It cost a 1st and a 3rd to get him an we still havnt paid that debt yet u want toget rid of him for cheaper picks??o maybe it was his pro bowl season after a slow start back from a injury that makes him expendable lmao get ready to see the real revis baby yea eat your heart out sherman the true number 1 cb n the league will show up and show out n a bucs uniform this year with chrome face masks

  6. Joe Says:


    With no Revis, who plays at corner in his place? Thought most of you guys wanted to run Leonard Johnson out of town?

    Not sure Joe is giddy about making a 4-12 team worse.

  7. Anthony Says:

    Here’s a reason why Tampa Bay should NOT trade Darrelle Revis.


  8. canadian bucsfan Says:

    @ Bucnasty
    Well said. The thought of trading Revis is stupid! Re-work his contract and let Lovie go to work with him.

    Two 2nd rounders??? Really?

  9. Kevin S Says:

    Revis was just coming off an ACL injury when the Bucs traded a 1st and 3rd for him. It certainly appears that he is recovering well, and finally declared himself healthy at the pro-bowl. The salary cap is estimated to be $132M or higher this year, so his $16M salary isn’t as big of an issue. Why would you want to trade the top (or top 1-2) corner? Jason Licht should laugh at anyone who comes with less than 3 first round picks. It’s insanity to trade a elite player in his prime unless the other team completely overpays for the player. Getting “market value” for an elite player is a negative move for an organization.

  10. rayjay1122 Says:

    It would depend on who the trade partner is before making statements like a 1st and 4th round pick. I wouldn’t trade him for a 1st round pick unless it were a top 15. He is still too good to trade him away for beer and peanuts. I expect him to have a strong season and be fully recovered from his knee injury.

  11. StAugBuc Says:

    So Joe believes in a stagnate and not dynamic world? We trade Revis for picks and salary cap space and the outcome is Leonard Johnson? Really? Not sound analysis.

  12. deminion Says:

    Only trade if the price is right

  13. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    2 2nd rounders is what will get the deal done. Licht will ask for more of course. But only a fool would trade a 1st in the top 15 and a third round pick for Revis and pay him that much.

    there are free agent corners you know.

  14. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    For the price of (1) GUY (16 million in cap space)

    We can sign (3) good corners (2) outside guys + (1) slot guy).

    R Corner /L Corner (FA Options)

    • Nolan Carroll (luv this kid)
    • Vontae Davis
    • Antoine Cason

    Slot Corner (FA Options)
    • Captain Munnerlyn
    • Walter Thurmond
    • Josh Wilson

    And Since we’ll retain our 3rd Round Picks
    • CB/S-Keith McGill (Utah) 6-3 214

  15. Kevin Says:

    This is beyond STUPID!!!!! 1st and a fourth then pull the trigger???!!!!!!!! ARE YOU CRAZY????!!!!!!!!! We haven’t even gotten to see him at 100% in a Bucs uniform. We haven’t even given up the other pic for him yet. STUPIDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will be PISSED if they trade him.

  16. Ryan Says:

    Revis absolutely should not be traded. We trae him for picks, and then we have to use at least one of those picks to replace him. So you want to downgrade the corner position for an extra 2nd, 3rd, or 4th pick? Dumb.

    Luckily this is LaCanfora reporting this so there’s absolutely no truth to this whatsoever. Dude could copy and paste from Schefter’s twitter and still get a story wrong.

  17. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Plus use the extra picks in Cap space to fill glaring holes on this roster.

  18. bucray1 Says:

    no less than a high first and a 2nd rounder, there are at least 3 teams out there that can give up that and have a need.

  19. Capt. Tim Says:

    Yeah, let’s trade one of the 4 decent NFL defensive players we have!
    Genius! Lmao
    We have McCoy, David, Revis, and Goldson.
    Banks may soon join that group.
    The rest are either worthless- it still haven’t lived up to their potential.
    Mostly bad players, with no depth at all.

    And if the 4- Revis is by far the best. Still best defensive player in the league.
    Of course teams will inquire about him. We probably sent out feelers for Aaron Rodgers every so often- just in case!

    Trading Revis would be incredibly stupid. And Smith isn’t Stupid. Best move Dim/Shiano made was getting him.

    And spot on about Talibum Joe. He was a good boy this year- it’s a contract year. Let’s see him if he gets signed to a multi year contract.
    He’ll pull the “fake pulled hamstring” everytime a decent WR is across from him

  20. Jerry Says:

    Bucs traded a 1st and 3rd for him coming off an ACL injury. For us to give him up in his prime and recovered, we would need to get back more than that.

  21. You Go Joe Says:

    I just want to see Revis play man to man!! is that too much to ask for??

  22. Macabee Says:

    The notion of trading Revis gives me mixed emotions, but I understand why the idea could be discussed. A week ago, I would have said no way, but after viewing the combine and seeing how deep the draft is with speedy, lengthy CBs, I’m starting to waver.

    Here’s what I see. If this were done before the 3rd day of the new league year, we get our 3rd pick back, but would still have to give the Jets a 4th. We would immediately put 16mil back into cap space. With the NFL likely to raise the cap north of 132mil, we would have roughly 40mil in cap space – enough to buy a new O-Line and a premium edge rusher and have folding money left over.

    With Brent Grimes and Rodgers-Cromartie FAs and the draft flush with top rated CBs, I can’t blame them for thinking. But right now it’s all rumor and speculation. Plus we’re still stinging for letting Bennett get away. So it is reasonable to have mixed emotions!

  23. Mort Says:

    You guys are nuts to want to trade Revis to gamble on a first and an X-round draft pick. You make picks to TRY to get great players. The chances of getting a Revis-type corner are very, VERY slim. This man has proven he’s not just a proven corner, but he’s elite. He was playing at ~80% for a lot of the year and still made the damn pro bowl. Are. You. Kidding. Me.

    Thank god none of you are the GM. That’s just flat stoopid.

  24. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I know I’ve been beating this dead horse for a long time. But great Front Seven’s make quality corner, look like super stars. If we can retool the trenches on both sides, get some quality pieces to go around them. We could make it to the dance.

  25. StAugBuc Says:

    February 25th, 2014 at 6:58 pm


    I know I’ve been beating this dead horse for a long time. But great Front Seven’s make quality corner, look like super stars. If we can retool the trenches on both sides, get some quality pieces to go around them. We could make it to the dance.
    Thank you. That’s what I’m saying.

  26. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    This is seriously the deepiest draft I’ve seen ever. We need the draft picks!!

  27. BucsfaninChina Says:


    Trading Revis would be beyond stupid for this franchise right now. He is the BEST player on the roster, maybe the exception being GMac. Yall have never seen a Jason Licht draft and you want picks???? With the stink of Dom and Schiano still present???

    Next year, after he kills it on the new defense and his value will be high as the sky…. maybe. For now, I dont care what is on the table. This will not happen.

  28. Harry Says:

    @Kevin Says:
    “…This is beyond STUPID!!!!!”

    21 posts and this is the only one I could agree with. Don’t you ppl want to see what Lovie can do with a player like Revis and a D-line that can get after the QB, create turnovers, etc? This by itself is going to win a lot of games. As Lovie said, D can win 8 games. Don’t you think Revis is going to be a big part of that? What the Hell?

    I am a basketball coach, not as knowledgeable on football. But I am thinking Tampa 2 (it is a zone D) becoming like a box and one (for all you B-ball fans out there); can you imagine? FUN

  29. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    A lot of people may not want to “realize” is that maybe Revis does not want to be in Tampa. The source of the rumor can only come from a possible 3 places. The Bucs, Other teams interested in Revis, and Revis.

  30. Architek Says:

    He ain’t going nowhere!!!

  31. StAugBuc Says:

    We have major holes and he counts 16 mil. in cap. Revis is a luxury the Bucs can’t afford.

  32. Harry Says:

    Hey, here is a better idea. Lets trade Glennon for like, what? 10 first rd picks? Will you MGMers take that deal?

    Just kidding, don’t get your “I LUV MG8” panties in a bunch.

  33. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    ^^^^Right on brotha^^^

  34. rayjay1122 Says:

    The thought of giving Revis away for less than a high 1st round pick and a 3rd plus regaining our original 3rd round pick is ridiculous. That line of thought is why I am glad people making those statements are fans and not shot callers.

  35. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @StAugBuc -That was directed at you^

  36. Harry Says:

    @The_Buc_Realist Says:
    ‘…The source of the rumor can only come from a possible 3 places. The Bucs, Other teams interested in Revis, and Revis…”

    Realist, you are so funny. Well, that narrows it down to what, 32 teams including the Bucs? Just teasing.

  37. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Make the Deal Happen Lovie & Licht! WE NEED THE CAP SPACE & DRAFT PICKS!!!

  38. rayjay1122 Says:

    I would not let him go unless the offer were just too good to pass up. By the way…we can still upgrade our D-line and keep Revis. I smell sure there is some overpaid fat that can be trimmed at other positions. We are too thin at CB to trade away one of the best.

  39. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  40. scotty Says:

    we never should have traded for him in the first place! was he our missing player? were we ever just one guy away? nope

  41. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I dont think they should trade Revis but they should still sign Brent Grimes in March. Not sold on Banks or Johnson.

  42. dee Says:

    Hell no not happening.

  43. RastaMon Says:

    Bird in the hand…..he is our 1994 # 56

  44. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I wonder if Joe would trade Revis to get his precious Johnny Boy?

  45. BoJim Says:

    Harry Says:

    “Hey, here is a better idea. Lets trade Glennon for like, what? 10 first rd picks? Will you MGMers take that deal?

    Just kidding, don’t get your “I LUV MG8″ panties in a bunch.”

    I thought this thread was about Revis?

  46. lightningbuc Says:

    This is just the “insiders” having to make themselves useful by presenting “scoops”. NO WAY the Bucs trade Revis!

  47. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Exactly, outside of the 49ers trade for broken down OJ Simpson. Its one of the dumbest trades in NFL history. How do you trade for a cornerback coming off of an ACL-give up draft picks+give the guy the $16 million a year. And you don’t even know if he’s recovered before you do it.

    Go back, and watch the season Revis is not a good zone corner. Schiano actually was protecting him by not putting him in a lot of press man coverages. Dude was slipping and falling, biting on double moves inside…smh

    He made it to the Pro Bowl on name alone.

  48. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Nowhere close to the Impact Hardy had on our Organization. Damn near blasphemous to even suggest a thing.

  49. RastaMon Says:


  50. StAugBuc Says:

    I’m just saying don’t over value Revis if someone wants him more. Jets with him 2011 =8-8. Jets without 2013 = 8-8. They adapted. Noticed I ignored his injured 2012 season.

  51. BucsQcCity Says:

    Trade only if 1st+2nd round only. We paid gor damaged good, now that je’s back, price mist tise

    16M can buy us a Kraken or Tillman+Grimes+captain mutherland.

    But I’m still fine until cap space is maxed out

  52. BucsQcCity Says:

    Sorry for typos iphone keyboard sucks

  53. BamBamBuc Says:

    Let’s put it this way… when we traded for Revis, he was damaged goods. After a season of playing and a Pro Bowl showing recovery, teams looking to trade for him are trading for non-damaged goods. If we can get MORE than what we gave up to get him, I can see the deal getting done. If teams are offering LESS than what we gave up, there should be no deal. It’s not about cap space, the Bucs have plenty and team cap numbers have gone up this year and should again next, so his contract shouldn’t be a problem for the length of it. If we can get more than a 1st and 3rd round pick or maybe a 1st/3rd/ and a player as compensation, it is possible to see something happening. What I can’t see is making the team WORSE in order to make it BETTER. Now, giving up Revis makes us a worse team than we already are, so we better get the picks and a player at a position that improves our team as well. Maybe a DE or TE or something. Maybe do the deal the day FA starts and immediately sign a CB or two with the money saved. Then we might say we didn’t decline, but at least stayed equal. (I hate saying stay equal when we were a horrible 4-12, 8 game losing streak team last year, who wants to stay equal to that???)

  54. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Yeah Yeah Yeah

  55. Buc1987 Says:


    “For the price of (1) GUY (16 million in cap space)”

    “We can sign (3) good corners (2) outside guys + (1) slot guy).”

    That what I was saying last July. I wanted Grimes and more depth at DB for the price of Revis.

  56. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    (I hate saying stay equal when we were a horrible 4-12, 8 game losing streak team last year, who wants to stay equal to that???)


    Lol, smh I hear you

  57. Buc1987 Says:

    BamBam you are always the most logical fan on JBF.

  58. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I remember

  59. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    When BamBam Has the time, he spits raw/uncut BUC FIRE…lol

  60. RastaMon Says:

    Born: July 14, 1985 (age 28), Aliquippa, PA

    40 yard dash time: 4.38 seconds

    LUVMYBUCS…..I’ve seen it all LIVE…..from the 1st pre season game…season tic’s all but 82-86…..just paid them for 2014…yeah it was a high price…

  61. Buc1987 Says:

    lol LUV…your right about the Bam.

  62. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I’ve seen him play as well, and don’t get me wrong. The kid was raw, but when he tore his ACL on a non contact play. It was a wrap for me, just saying. Seen that type of injury to many times.

  63. buccanAy Says:

    Try to follow me…each defense run in the NFL has different values placed on each position of that defense. In the Tampa2, which is surely to be run here, the CB value relative to other positions is significantly less. We are in a precarious position with Revis, as he will be playing much more zone than he ever has, and may not like, or excel at it. I was not a big fan of the trade to begin with, as we were dealing against ourselves and seemed to turn into an “obsession”. Surely, Smith will try to scheme Revis to his strengths but it may compromise the philosophy and effectiveness of the defense. Don’t think we do anything this year, but gonna be hard to justify paying a non-premium position that kinda money.

  64. Barry Says:

    haha, Buc fans want to trade a Pro Bowler. Too funny. Redo his deal, pay him 8m a year and be done with it.

  65. Andrew 1 Says:

    I’m with the majority on this one. Don’t Trade Revis.

  66. RNobs Says:

    Just realized if the Bucs would have kept their #1 they could have paired Sheldon Richardson with Gerald McCoy. I like Revis and all but with that defensive front any veteran corner could probably hold down the outer hash.

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    Barry…LMAO do you really expect Revis….I mean Darrelle Revis to take a pay cut?

    You laugh at us, and then follow with that comment?

  68. BamBamBuc Says:

    Offer Revis $8m/ year and you’ll end up with Darrelle “Freeman” throwing sucker punches at the team until they cut him and we get nothing…

  69. knucknbuc Says:

    Yea lets trade revis I look forward to going back to no32 in pass defense.

  70. Buc1987 Says:

    3 quality DB’s can be had for the price of 1 Revis. If he is going to be mostly playing zone, then 16 million waaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

  71. Destinjohnny Says:

    With revis we will be 5-11 next year – trade him gets us picks and we can add 5 free agents- look at our offense – 31 year old wide out Williams is gone no tight end worst o line in nfl and 2nd year qb learning A new system.

  72. Bucs55 Says:

    Gonna have to agree with this trading Revis would probably be the best thing for this football team expecially if we can get multiple Draft picks this year and maybe next . We are not one good player away from making the playoffs there’s a lot of wholes in this team and with the trade of Revis would be avail to start plugging some of these whole not just because of the Draft picks but also the cap room give us enough money to get a corner thatwould benefit from our ssystem as well as money to start resigning players like gmc n lvd I think we should go after grimmes and probably cost us even less then half of what we are paying Revis right now we are basically paying Revis for his name because we are not even doing what he does best

  73. Bucs55 Says:

    There’s some corners that are better off in the zone line asante Samuels and Brent grimmes as well as i think banks will benefit for playing more zone he’s not fast enough to play man on man the zone will help him

  74. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “With revis we will be 5-11 next year – trade him gets us picks and we can add 5 free agents-”


    And how does adding 5 free agents make us better? How did it work out for Philly? How does it work for Washington? Dallas? The thought of giving up one of the 2 best CB’s in the game (in the prime of his career no less) for draft picks is BEYOND stupid. Who have we drafted (aside from maybe McCoy and David) in the last 10 years that is even close to as good at his position as Revis? So you’d rather have a bunch of cheaper free agents and rookies than the best in the game? Would Indy give up Andrew Luck for a bunch of draft picks? Would Houston give up JJ Watt? No, because they are elite players, just like Revis. It is never, ever, ever, a good idea to get rid of elite players, and we sure as hell don’t have a plethora of elite players in the building. Sometimes you have to due to salary, but that isn’t a problem for us. Everyone conveniently forgets that we have absolutely no cap problems, We are in perfect shape to get the guys we want and still keep Revis.

  75. Bucs55 Says:

    Tilman another one just to many corner to be paying to much just for one execualy wen we don’t play him to his strengths

  76. Bucs55 Says:


    why keep someone we are not using Tampa 2 is a zone not a man on man and you said about philly but they made it to the playoffs last year

  77. Bucs55 Says:

    I would think Smith and light would want there own players in there scheme it doesn’t matter if we have had bad drafts i would this they would want to do it with there own guys

  78. ryan Says:

    Only if Cleveland offers both their first round picks or the 4th and josh gordon. Ik its a high price for them but its Darrelle Revis

  79. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I can’t recall one person that seen Revis play last year, call it ELITE. Actually there is a contingent, that believes he will never return to form. Sure Free Agents don’t always help out some teams. But on the other hand, Key Free Agents helped Seattle, Baltimore, and Green Bay win a Championship!!!!!

    Its all about finding guys that are hungry that fit your system & locker room. Both in Free Agency in the draft.

  80. Brandon Says:

    We got completely snookered and screwed in the Revis deal, plain and simple. To give up 1st and 3rd round picks to give out franchise QB money to a cornerback fresh off ACL surgery was insanity to begin with. Revis made more from the Bucs than he would have on the free market. He isn’t worth his contract let alone any picks as compensation…if some team is stupid enough to trade ANYTHING for Revis and that contract, take the deal and run! Maybe Greggy can convince Belicheat to trade for his former “prized signing”. Just think, we could’ve had the reigning rookie of the year, plus a much needed 3rd rounder in the best and deepest draft in 10 years, both players would count for about a quarter of what Revis counts for against the cap.

  81. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Of Course we did, WE WERE BIDDING AGAINST OURSELVES. And we gave up the farm, WHERE IN THE HELL DO YOU DO THAT AT.

  82. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “why keep someone we are not using Tampa 2 is a zone not a man on man and you said about philly but they made it to the playoffs last year”


    No it’s actually not just a zone. It can be a man to man as well. It’s all dependent on the personnel. My friend played for Lovie in Chicago and has explained that to me over and over again. He actually said Lovie wants to play man more in Chicago, but didn’t have the corners. It goes a little over my head when he starts explaining the concepts, but trust me when I say Lovie’s Tampa 2 can be a man to man defense.

    And when I mentioned Philly, I was discussing the Philly from several years ago – the one that got Vince Young and Nnamdi and a few others.

  83. Buc1987 Says:

    Everyone and their mom complained about Revis playing too much zone last season. Now since it’s Lovie that’s going to be doing it, they have no problem with it?

    Again 16 million to play mostly zone is ridiculous. It was ridiculous when Schiano was doing it and would be just as ridiculous if Lovie does it.

    Then again if Schiano wiped his nose the wrong way, there was always some around to bitch about how he did it.

  84. Couch Fan Says:

    Gave up the farm? I hardly call giving up 2 picks, 1 in each draft, giving up the farm.

    Our 3rd rounder would of been nice but lets not exaggerate here. Like Hawaiian said, what Revis gets paid isn’t an issue and doesn’t need to be worried about until it is an issue. Some of you are unnecessarily nit picking at silly stuff.

  85. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I don’t know, he played pretty damn good to me. Most of the time he was beat there appeared to be a miscommunication in the defense (which has been confirmed numerous times that that was a major problem with Schiano’s stupid scheme). He wasn’t completely healthy, but he did a damn fine job against some elite WR’s. He was thrown at the second least of any CB in the league, which is a very telling stat.

    Anyone that has had a torn ACL will tell you it takes a while to get back to 100%. It’s a mental thing as well as a physical thing. He’ll be at full strength next year.

  86. Andres Says:

    No corner is worth 16 million a year in the cover 2 system. It would be like buying a Ferrari to go grocery shopping.

  87. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    How Is Revis getting QB Money, on a losing team in a League with a Salary Cap Ideal? When there’s clearly holes all over the roster.

  88. rich Says:

    Personally, I think this is an excellent idea. Imagine the picks we could get! In fact, let’s follow this philosophy to its logical conclusion: Let’s trade LVD and GMC! A veritable draft pick bonanza! We might even be able to get a 3rd or 4th for Martin. And who knows? Some of those kids we draft might end up being pretty good.

  89. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Apparently many of you, no matter how many times you hear it, do not understand that we aren’t going to be playing mostly zone next year. It has been stated on TV and print more times than I can remember that Lovie played only a small percentage of zone his last year. But I guess because people like to pretend they know what they are talking about, they will ignore that fact.

  90. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Great post. Sad part is, there’s a ton of fans that will actually think you’re serious and will agree with you. These are the same fans that believe that we are going to line up and play zone every play next year.

  91. Buc1987 Says:

    The Bucs are going 6-10 next season with or without Revis and his 16 million dollars. I hope it’s worth it.

  92. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Yeah, earlier in the season-they didn’t throw it his way much, but as the season progressed that changed. I didn’t see elite ball skills, elite closing speed, or tackling.When your playing quarterbacks like Matt Ryan & Drew Brees twice a year how does playing ONE wide receiver close matter. When they spread the ball around. Hasn’t helped Champ Bailey win a championship, has it?

    ‘Players Only’: Seattle Seahawks CB Richard Sherman or Denver Broncos CB Champ Bailey? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl/0ap2000000320689/Players-Only-Sherman-or-Bailey

  93. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    It’s ideal because we have more than enough money for free agency. What’s not ideal about Revis making QB money is that we don’t have a QB worthy of making QB money. That’s not Revis’s fault. If Mike Glennon becomes the next Peyton Manning (as many people somehow believe), then let’s cut or restructure Revis by all means. However, we don’t have that, and QB’s don’t usually hit free agency. Therefore, we have tons of cap money and Revis gets it. And guess what, even with him making his money, we still have tons of money left over! Until we max out the cap (when was the last time that ever happened), stop complaining about how much he makes. It’s not your money, and he’s not keeping us from getting other players. We can afford anyone we want.

  94. Buc1987 Says:

    Rich…LVD and GMC are essential for the tampa 2.

  95. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “The Bucs are going 6-10 next season with or without Revis and his 16 million dollars. I hope it’s worth it.”


    I guess we have a fortune teller at JBF. Aren’t we lucky? I guess there’s no reason to watch the games, because an anonymous poster on JBF has it all figured out. This coming from the same guy who swang from the balls of Freeman and Schiano last year. Yep, we are doomed because we got rid of Schiano. He was fantastic.

  96. Jeremy Says:

    You people are absolute lunatics. There is no way we trade Revis. Banks is still a project and there is no way the new management would risk going into this season without a proven corner. Lovie is under pressure to win now guys, and you don’t do that by trading away arguably a top 5 defensive player in the NFL. Some of you are agreeing to do this for 2nd round picks???? Players perceived to be on the 40th or 50th best this year?

  97. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Rich…LVD and GMC are essential for the tampa 2.”


    LMAO!!! Wow, just wow.

  98. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    People keep comparing us to Kansas City. Remember Andy Reid, instead of being complacent and relying on a hope that certain guys would be able to step up. Overhauled the Roster (30 new players). Guess what Seattle & San Francisco overhauled portions of their roster as well.

  99. Buc1987 Says:

    They went 4-12 with Revis and now they will go 6-10 with him this season.
    Lovie has 2 seasons to take the Bucs to the playoffs, or he’s fired. Because hey MANY fans said this team is built to win now. No excuses.

  100. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  101. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Don’t you worry, we are overhauling too. I’d be shocked if we bring back more than 5 offensive starters. Probably lose a couple starters on defense too. I assume most of the reserves will be toast. But KC didn’t get rid of any of their Pro Bowlers, now did they? Don’t recall Seattle and SF doing a whole lot of that either (except for Goldson which SF was not happy about. Helps when you draft a guy in his place that is probably even better).

  102. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “They went 4-12 with Revis and now they will go 6-10 with him this season.”


    Oh, that explains it very thoroughly. I was so confused prior to that detailed and insider-educated information, but now I totally got it. We won 4 last year, so this year we win 6 – got it!

  103. Buc1987 Says:

    It remains to be seen what Lovie will do with Revis. I say they won’t run mostly man to man at all. Then again, I might not have the right crystal ball.

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    Also I don’t have any good friends that played for Lovie in Chicago. So hey what do I now.

  105. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Answer this: can we not afford to bring in whoever we want? Thank you, goodnight. Do you want us to bring in 10 prime free agents or something? What do you expect us to do that we can’t afford? I don’t get your beef. Would you prefer we cut Revis and be even further below the cap? Or would you prefer we get 25 mediocre free agents and be 8-8? Why are you so concerned with Revis and his money?

  106. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    No Beef with you man what so ever. Great Defenses are lead from the Front not the back. Its the guys closer to the ball that impact the game. There’s 16 Million reason why you don’t pay a corner 16 million a year in a league with a salary cap.

    If we can trade the guy, pick up the much needed cap relief+acquire more(Franchise Building -Premium draft picks) in the process.I’m all for it… Not to get all Theo Epstein on you, but smart NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA franchises have traded/released talent. To acquire additional talent in cap space, when they knew that they, were not in a real position to compete at a consistent high level. I’m just suggesting we do the same.

  107. BamBamBuc Says:

    Has nobody ever heard of Cover 2 Man? Same concept as Tampa 2 zone as far as two deep Safeties, but CBs and LBs are in man, not zone. This allows the Safeties to be facing the QB and charge on run plays. Difference is you need better cover LBs, which is probably why Foster isn’t high on Lovie’s list. Might even modify to a cover 3 man, with two deep Safeties and MLB dropping 3 deep instead of 2 CBs and one safety, allowing Revis to stay in man. These are just two (extremely simplified) forms of altering our base defense to accommodate our talent. Schiano refused, Lovie will. Revis can be one of the best in the NFL again, for us. If we don’t get ridiculous value in return for a healthy Revis, we keep him.

  108. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    But Hey If you think, thats a good team building formula when we have glaring holes on a roster that went (4-12) If you feel we don’t need the cap space or draft picks to improve the team. We can agree to strongly disagree…Nite!

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    “If we don’t get ridiculous value in return for a healthy Revis, we keep him.”

    BamBam…good points once again. I just hope they can make it work. It’s just that I’m with LUV when I say build a dominant front four first. That means not just GMC. The DB’s are an afterthought to me.

    Then again we have fans that think this team is just going to turn around in in 1 year. If they can get more for Revis than they gave, I say they do it and start building the front four.

  110. Buc1987 Says:

    Basically what I’m trying to say is. The Bucs need DE more than they need Revis.

  111. bucrightoff Says:

    Nobody is paying more than a third rounder unless Revis takes a pay cut (lol), So yeah no thanks, our secondary still sucks after Revis in case anyone wasn’t watching last year. Lavonte was easily the second best coverage player after Revis.

  112. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    No worries dude, I got no beef with you either. Nothing but a healthy debate:) I do, however, strongly disagree that cutting Revis would give us “much needed cap relief”, simply because it’s not “much needed”. We have no problems with the cap whatsoever. Again, if we find a franchise QB and need to pay him like it, I’ll help Revis pack his bags. But we are at best case scenario a few years away from that, as nowadays draft picks make very little money as compared to free agents. And to be clear, there are NO free agent QB’s available, unless McCown and Vick get you all hot and bothered.

    I think another disagreement we have is the skill set of Revis. I believe he is/will be and ELITE CB in the NFL (probably wasn’t “elite” last year), and he is still young. One thing you will notice about the Theo Epstein’s of the world is that they do get rid of guys, but they don’t get rid of their supertars, certainly not in their prime. Epstein wouldn’t trade Papi, Miami isn’t trading Lebron, and Seattle isn’t trading Richard Sherman. Not for anything, period. There are certain players that you build your team around, and Revis has that kind of ability. Remember he’s just a few years away from winning defensive player of the year – as a freaking CB!!!!! How often does that happen? Almost never. You don’t get rid of that for picks, sorry. Now we may turn around and do it, but I think that would be an incredible risk. There’s not one player available in this draft who is a lock to have as much impact as Revis.

  113. Harry Says:

    I am not sure I understand the concern; maybe somebody can explain what I am missing. IMO, Lovie is not Schiano, in that he adjusts his schemes to his personnel. So, with Tampa 2 being a zone, can’t you still run Tampa 2, as is, and have Revis deny on the #1 WR??? Like a “box-and-one” in basketball. It can be very effective.

    Imagine, a WR who is great at finding the gap in a zone, but he is being convered by Revis. I would think that would be a very difficult coverage to break, no?

  114. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Basically what I’m trying to say is. The Bucs need DE more than they need Revis.”


    You do realize we have the cap money to have both right? We can get 2 DE’s and still keep Revis. We have tons of cap money, plus we are most likely going to trim some of the fat anyway (that’s a figure of speech and not really meant as a direct shot to Donald Penn), so we’ll have even more.

    Again, if Revis is keeping us from what we need to do, then that’s fine. However, that isn’t the problem with this team. We aren’t paying our QB like a huge percentage of teams, so we can afford to pay Revis. If things change over the years and Glennon is the best ever, then that’s a different story.

  115. Harry Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc:
    As usual, a good post. I am exactly on the same page. A good team does not get rid of its superstars. Hell, aren’t most of you still wanting to fry Rock Star in hot oil for his lesser draft picks? Now we have one on the team that is not only elite as to the team, but he is arguably the best in the league and you want to get rid of him??

    Come on man!!

  116. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Has nobody ever heard of Cover 2 Man? Same concept as Tampa 2 zone as far as two deep Safeties, but CBs and LBs are in man, not zone. ”


    Apparently nobody on this website. Good luck, because I give up trying to explain it to them. It doesn’t matter who they hear it from or how many times, they still think we are going to line up in a zone defense and run the same thing every single play. SMDH

  117. Harry Says:

    We think so alike, I think we are brothers from a different mother!

  118. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I wonder if these Buc fans just became fans, because they apparently have forgotten how bad a team can draft. How many #1 picks have we missed on, yet they want to get rid of one of our few good players with the hopes that we can luck into a great player??? Don’t get it, and I never will. Out of the top 10 players picked, you may get 1 or 2 Hall of Famers (sometimes none). Revis will be a Hall of Famer, so you basically have a 10% chance to land someone of equal value. Funny thing is, many of these fans really believe that if they were GM, they would pick the right guy. They don’t need to know the kid, be present for the interviews, watch anything other than YouTube highlight videos to pick a great player – they can do it from their keyboard. It’s a wonder none of them are GM’s, because they would obviously be the best at their craft because it’s very easy to them. They should put down their fry basket, hand in their uniforms, and head straight to One Buc to fill out an application.

  119. passthebuc Says:

    Are we a playoff team, if yes, keep Revis
    If, no. take the picks and the cap room and get free agents that in 2 years makes you a serious contender.

  120. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Are the Bucs in such a position that their new GM and HC can’t completely restructure the team as they see fit? That they must have an extra $16 million in cap space to do so? If that is the case, the Bucs picked the wrong men to steer this team onto the right path.

    As a fan, I do not see an absolute cap emergency, nor do I see the field so stocked with quality players that we can start selling them off for draft picks for a first time GM. Wait til next year when we know there is talent there to pick up the slack (not free agents we HOPE will sign with the Bucs) then we can talk about trimming some serious fat on the roster.

  121. knucknbuc Says:

    How many times does Lovie and his staff have to say it…



    they have said this numerous times.

  122. Andrew 1 Says:

    The problem is, people hear Lovie’s name and they automatically think Tampa 2, when the reality is, while he was in Chicago he also used different types of coverages and did not strictly run the Tampa 2. A good coach is not pigeon held to running just one look, there are many different types of coverages that good coaches use, dictated by whatever the opposing offenses are running. As BamBam said, we could use 2 man under, or cover 3, cover 4, zone blitz, man blitz, cover 1, or whatever! Lovie is going to use every different kind of coverage at his disposal. And remember, We dont have a coach that will refuse to play to his players strength anymore!

  123. Harry Says:

    @Hawaiian Buc Says:
    “…They should put down their fry basket, hand in their uniforms, and head straight to One Buc to fill out an application.”

    I don’t think they have been promoted to the fry basket, they are still flipping…

    Another perfect post Hawaiian. Your point is right on. We have a freaking HOF CB, how lucky are we. Anyone want to trade GMC? You want to trade LVD? What is your gripe with Revis?? I have news for you all, you are about to want to trade GMC too, bc he is about to get paid! Great philosophy, love on our players until they earn the big contract. If we have room in our cap space, and can get the players we need, why do you care?

  124. Harry Says:

    Sometimes the posts in here make you feel like you are talking to a crazy person, going in circles, and circles, and circles…

  125. Andrew 1 Says:

    Sure, I expect to see the Tampa 2 sprinkled in from time to time, but I dont expect us to use it the majority of the time.

  126. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Are we a playoff team, if yes, keep Revis
    If, no. take the picks and the cap room and get free agents that in 2 years makes you a serious contender.”


    So you want to trade away a player we traded for, and then use that money to bring in free agents, even though we currently have plenty of money for free agents? So basically, you want to bring in ALL the free agents? You want young free agents (because you mentioned they need to make you a serious contender in 2 years), but last time I checked young free agents tend to be more expensive than older ones. Am I correct? So basically you want to give up a proven, young, expensive player, for a few expensive players at lesser skill level??? OK, gotcha. Scratch you off the GM candidate list.

  127. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You are absolutely right about GMC. You just watch, people will be calling him selfish because he signed a big contract. I mean, why would a player want to get paid? First game without a sack and they’ll be wanting to trade him for picks. There’s no doubt in my mind. The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me.

  128. Andrew 1 Says:

    Maybe Joe can dig up something as to whether or not we are going to use the Tampa 2 as our base defense. I dont think we will be, but I dont know that for a certainty. If we do, then I can see how some people might be concerned.

  129. Harry Says:

    Hawaiian, the only thing that will save Revis and eventually GMC is if the Bucs start winning a lot. There were not many blogs 12 years ago and more, but no one complained about Sapp and Brooks, so maybe that is the difference. I don’t know. But it is incredibly stupid to want to trade a future HOF player. WHAT TEAM DOES CRAZY SPIT LIKE THAT??

  130. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I’m against trading Revis this year. But I do think we need to try to find a young replacement to train up for next year.

    However, if some team were to come with an offer of a first this year and a first next year…man, that would be hard to pass up.

    Dennis, a 1st and a 4th is way too cheap. Teams hesitated last year because they wanted to see if he healed up. The fact that teams know his salary and still call shows he is worth a lot more.

  131. Eric Says:

    Trade him to the Rams and switch draft positions.

    We can get a franchise QB at 2, much more important than Revis.

    Revis may never be the Revis of old and what is his shelf life? Jets replaced him without their defense suffering.

    Based on his age, salary, and position he just doesn’t fit.

    Maybe Jeff Fisher thinks he’s on the verge and Revis can put them over.

  132. b.Bruce Says:

    12 and 4 and winning the Superbowl.Gruden to his first year Smith you will do in his first year.Tampa aaaaaaaaa

  133. b.Bruce Says:

    have revis shut down the best corner and play Tampa 2 with the rest of the team.

  134. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    So you truly believe that (presumably) Manziel is a franchise QB? You’re willing to risk getting rid of one of our 3 best players? I love Johnny Football and would love to have him, but I’d much much much rather give up picks than proven players to get him. At least with picks, you could always argue that we would have screwed it up anyway. Revis is a proven player. Johnny Football may end up to be great, but there are a helluva lot of question marks with him (height, weight, arm strength, ability to throw within the pocket, ability to read NFL defenses, etc.), and I for one don’t feel confident enough in him to get rid of one of our very few great players. But apparently that’s just me. If we do it and Johnny busts, we are up sh!t creek for years to come.

    By the way, he just turned 28. That’s the prime of his career buddy. Jets replaced him because they couldn’t afford him, and they knew he’d be gone the following year and they’d have nothing to show. But actually, their secondary struggled much more than what it has in the past. Milliner was benched on several occasions.

    But you know what, people are so damn hard headed, they’re going to believe what they want to believe. You guys still have yet to address the fact that we don’t have salary cap issues, and many still believe that we are going to sit in a zone all game.

  135. FLnativeBUC Says:

    @deminion Says: “For a 1st and 4th pull the trigger” and other similar comments, Have you had your sanity check lately?!? To trade the top corner, in an increasingly pass driven league, doesn’t make much sense as long as you can afford him. It would take a Hershel Walker type of offer to make an honest “Maybe”. This is smoke from other teams hoping. Seriously, do you think that the Bucs wouldn’t want Revis because of cover 2? You think that they can’t leverage his skills?!? What would Seattle trade for Sherman?

  136. Eric Says:

    28 isn’t young for a corner with a bum knee.

    Revis was brought in because we thought we were near a turnaround. Didn’t happen.

    So, yes Hawaiian, given the importance of QB vs. corner, I’d pull the trigger on that deal. Of course getting a franchise QB is a risky proposition, but sitting around hoping Glennon is one is guaranteed failure IMO.

    On the upside, if Johnny plays like I believe we will, we got a shot at many years of contention. Revis can’t possibly provide that.

  137. Buc1987 Says:

    Grimes made the pro bowl on the cheap. 5 million for the year, not 16 million.

  138. Mumbles Says:

    Me too Eric. If I could get any first round, I’d tell him to start packing! However, nobody is going to give us a 1st round pick for him. Teams are calling because they know that he is at least 6 or 7 mil over the market and is a huge part of our cap. The teams that are calling now are trying to steal him!

  139. Eric Says:

    But the rams would be getting our first rounder. They are only moving down five spots and get Revis.

    We get a QB that we desperately need.

    Win win.

  140. Mumbles Says:

    Many NFL analysts believe that the Revis contract is the single most compelling reason that the Glazers fired Dominik. If the Glazers want this contract off the books, it’s as good as done!

  141. INDYbucsfan Says:

    I think we should trade revis for 2 third rds. Then trade McCoy and David for 2 second rd picks. Both Barron and goldson play the same style so let’s trade both of them for picks then we can probably trade Martin and Jackson for some decent picks then. Cause it’s a fact: the higher a player is drafter the better the player will perform and will never be a bust. So we could have like 8 new starters. Ah that would be nice

  142. Jerry Says:

    Ian Rapoport says there is no trade offers and does not appear to be any trade interest involving Revis.

    So…that’s the end of this stupid rumor started by the crap-stirrer Jason La Canfora.

  143. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    There are other ways to move up rather than trading one of your best players. I challenge you to find another team that has gotten rid of one of their best players (in a position of need) just to move up a few spots. Doesn’t make a damn bit of sense to me. I’m with you that a great QB can be more important than any CB, but there are other ways to get the QB. If we are talking about the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning, I’d give up anything. However, Johnny football isn’t as much of a sure thing as those two. That’s very rare.

  144. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Many NFL analysts believe that the Revis contract is the single most compelling reason that the Glazers fired Dominik.”


    Who in the hell has ever said that? That is the first I have ever heard of that, and I’m pretty sure the NFL analyst that said it is probably you. Nowadays, anyone can be an analyst.

  145. Eric Says:


    But under those methods you would be giving up multiple picks and we have very few this year, while we’re trying to rebuild the last place offense.

    This way we keep our picks, and free up money for free agency. Get pass rushers which Dungy said are more important than corners.

    I can’t think of anyone doing it before. Got me there.

    How long are we gonna wait till we got the guaranteed Manning/luck pick, which requires sucking to the point of having the number one pick the year a guy like that is available. Might be a hell of a long wait.

  146. Jerry Says:

    Dominik was fired because he couldnt draft. And he struck out on Schiano and Freeman.

  147. Buc1987 Says:

    Battling back and forth about something none of us have any control over. It’s fun isn’t it.

  148. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I think we can find a QB at #7, if that’s the position we want. As much as I would love Johnny Football to be a Buc, I’m not that sold on him that I really want to give up picks or Revis for. As for getting pass rushers, there are a bunch of great ones available in Free Agency, and we have the cap room. Problem solved. I believe that if you have holes in your roster (which we obviously do), you don’t try to fix those holes by creating more holes. We finally should have a great secondary, let’s not take away the best player from it.

    I hear you on the QB issue, believe me I do. I’m so sick of mediocre QB play (if we’re lucky mediocre). However, I just think we better be damn sure of the QB we choose, and I hate the idea of giving up a really good player to take a chance. It’s just way too steep of a price to pay in my opinion.

  149. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Battling back and forth about something none of us have any control over. It’s fun isn’t it.”


    It’s a blast.

  150. Mumbles Says:

    Rick Stroud said it. I would believe him before I’d believe you. You told us to trade up and take that god awful Trent Richardson. If we had listened to you we wouldn’t have Doug Martin or Lavonte David. Now try to explain that smart a$$!

  151. Buc1987 Says:

    LOL Hawaiian I agree. It is a blast. Beats anything that is on TV these days. Breaking Bad is over.

  152. Mumbles Says:


    You won’t be hearing from Hawaii anymore tonight. You go ahead and take over from here! Lol

  153. Buc1987 Says:

    lol Mumbles..somehow I doubt that.

  154. Jerry Says:

    Rick Stroud also thinks the team has no talent, should be blown up, and are several years away from competing. Most others think the Bucs can turn things around quickly. Dungy thinks the Bucs will be back in the playoffs in a year or two.

  155. Buc1987 Says:

    Jerry…who’s “most others”?

  156. Buc1987 Says:

    I see Dungy is one.

  157. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I NEVER said to trade up to get Richardson. You go ahead and look that up. I’m never a believer in doing that. I admit I loved Richardson, but I’m not a gm and I was wrong. But don’t try to prove a point by making up things. Nice try though.

  158. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I guess “Mumbles” has never been wrong before on a player. For the record, Cleveland and Indianapolis both gave up a lot to get him too, so I think it’s safe to say they were wrong too. I don’t hang my head in shame over the fact that I’m not a NFL talent evaluator. Unlike clowns like you, I man up when I’m wrong and don’t pretend to have it all figured out.

  159. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I’ve seen tons of analysts that think we will be a good team immediately. I don’t know if it’s “most”, but it is quite a bit.

  160. Eric Says:

    I totally advocated trading up for Richardson, and am still shocked he didn’t turn out to be a great player.

    I’d have been jettisoned from a GM position real quick.

    My track record of identifying disastrous coaching hires is better though!

  161. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Gotta give you that, you are much better at the coaching part, but in my defense, I think it was more of a wanting them to be good versus thinking they’ll be good.

  162. Capt. Tim Says:

    Was right about Richardson, and about Schiano!
    Nah nah!!
    But , whoa! Couldn’t have been more wrong about Freeman! Painfully wrong.

    We keep Revis. He is too good to lose.

    John Madden said football is very simple. You get guys that can win the battle with the guy across from him. If you have more of those guys, than the other team, you’ll win!

    Revis is that guy. If Lovie can’t fit Revis into his defense, then we have made another mistake in the coaching hire!
    We didn’t. Finding a way to utilize the best is easy. It’s using the slobs that strains a coach.

    Everyone here worries about the Glazers money! It’s funny. How many people here can even grasp those amounts of Cash?
    The NFL has many creative ways to maneuver money.
    Restructuring, bonuses, guaranteed money, etc.
    They can move it around, and make it work.

    Saw a show the other day, where they were looking at one of Wayne Gretskys contracts
    $500,000 dollars every two weeks. It’s hard to imagine

  163. lurker Says:

    revis is worth qb money whereas glennon is not!

  164. lurker Says:

    thank you and goodnight.

  165. phil Says:

    With the cap going up to 135 million or higher there is no reason to trade Revis. Lovie can put Revis on the opposing teams best receiver and play zone with everybody else.

  166. zam Says:

    the whole point of drafting is to hope to acquire elite players, because you can not acquire them in FA (outside of Manning/Revis injury fiascos).

    Give Revis some guaranteed money and pay him less per year. I doubt very much he wants to be on a third team at this point.

    As for great CB’s and cover-2, look at Tillman for Chicago and Sherman for Seattle. Revis may no longer be Revis Island, but he could quite possibly lead the league in picks.

  167. Mike Says:

    I just read all the comments here and I’m in shock! I actually agree with Harry on something! I couldn’t touch any of your comments Hawaiian…. Well stated in all areas sir

  168. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You and I were also painfully wrong about Raheem.

  169. Oingo Boingo Says:

    Joe…ypu’re either provocative pr an imbecile.

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