“This Offense Is Hard”

June 11th, 2024

Yeah, despite the public implications, the Bucs are running a very different offense this season than what was cooked up under playcaller Dave Canales in 2023.

Pro Bowl Bucs quarterback Baker Mayfield is light on the learning curve because he played for new offensive coordinator Liam Coen in Los Angeles for about six weeks.

“I mean, this offense is hard,” Rachaad White said after practice today. “Like, I mean, everybody seen. Baker said it. It ain’t easy.”

White praised Mayfield for leading the team through the learning process.

Joe wonders if this is why Todd Bowles went out of his way today to say rookie receiver Jalen McMillan is impressing him most with his intelligence.

No excuses whatsoever for the Bucs offense, however. As Joe noted yesterday, every NFC South team is running a new offense with a new coordinator in 2024.

41 Responses to ““This Offense Is Hard””

  1. Kgh4life Says:

    When Liam Coen was hired as the OC, the narrative was that the learning curve wouldn’t be too steep due to the fact the scheme is from the same west coast tree. Is it because they’re putting more on the players?

  2. BucsFan81 Says:

    It will probably take awhile for everyone to get comfortable and on board. Hopefully that happens by week 4 and not week 8 like we saw the Super Bowl year of 2020.

  3. Bee Says:

    Lol…well, we’ll see if it takes them half a season to learn the offense like last year.

  4. Hodad Says:

    This scheme is not like Canales last year. This offense is more Mcvay Rams, Canales was more Pete Carroll Seahawks. Canales all vanilla, Coen adds the chocolate, strawberry.

  5. JimBobBuc Says:

    Picking up the offense may help level the field for Bucky and JMac to get on the field. Picking up the might be a big factor for these guys snap counts.

  6. Fan of the South Says:

    McVey’s Offense ran the ball more last year than in his 7 years with the Rams. This year it is said they will be running it just as much if not more.

    Seems to me the McVey Offense is going to end up looking more like the Pete Carroll Offense and something similar to Calales’ in Carolina. Wonder how long it will take the branches of his coaching tree to follow suit or will they keep working from the pass to set up the run mindset.

    At least the Bucs will get a couple of looks at it before they meet the Rams in the Playoffs.

  7. Dude Says:

    Big difference going into the huddle with one play that’s got a few different calls attached to it. Take your time kid, you got the rest of the summer to get it down pat.

  8. An Erection for Sacks Says:

    Just like me.

  9. catcard202 Says:

    If Coen’s scheme and terminology can be implemented at Kentucky, to a bunch of 18-22yr old college kids, over a spring & summer, with limited learning/teaching windows at the college level…. There’s no excuse for the Bucs offensive players to not get dialed in by fall camp…Even if that means more late nights at One Buc Place.

  10. Baking with Evans Says:

    All I have to say is finish strong and get back to the playoffs!!!


  11. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    If we are doing West Coast…Baker will be passing a lot.

    I still say we need a Mike Alstott guy in the backfield too.

  12. Noclu4u Says:

    Bucs should call Cory Linsley immediately. If he can pass a physical he would put the Bucs O-line in the top 5 in the NFL .Bring him in and put Barton at left guard . Linsley is the best center in the NFL . That move would put the Bucs O-line as one of the best in the NFL.
    Go get him Licht . ASAP !!!
    As always Go BUCS .

  13. Bucsfan Says:

    McVay ran the ball 42 percent of the time last year with the Rams and I suspect Coen would enjoy running as much here , but we will see if Oline improves enough to allow it.

  14. Bucsfan Says:

    A quick look at UK offense shows Coen ran it 44% of the time. Need more competition in the RB group-Sign ROJO.

  15. Fred McNeil Says:

    Maybe that Culp kid can play fullback in short yardage.

  16. Lt. Dan Says:

    Welp…this is kind of disheartening news. So the Bucs may not hit their stride until mid season?

  17. Crickett Baker Says:

    This is all very upbeat to me. In his interview, Coen mentioned that in the beginning, he was going to throw a LOT at the team. This really seems like it is happening and the team is feeling pressure. This is almost the opposite of what Canals said he was doing, if you recall. He was going to go easy at first. I can hardly wait to see what our offense will become.

  18. kgh4life Says:


    It’s obvious that the scheme Lian implemented in college is a simpler version. These college kids don’t have the time to learn the intricacies of an NFL offense.

  19. Hearty Dikerson Says:

    This is the reality of having a defensive head coach. Offensive guys are the hot commodity, so if the OC is good, he’s going to be plucked away and we’ll be stuck having to learn a new offensive system every year.

    Unfortunately, the “familiarity” on defense hasn’t proved to be very fruitful of late. Bowles’ system has been in place for 6 years but that unit hasn’t really seemed to benefit. The defense metrics have seemingly remained the same or gone down the last couple years.

  20. BigMacAttack Says:

    Canales offense may be new to Carolina, but every team in the NFC knows it well and its marginal on its best day. Good players or bad players, Canales’ offense a blend of McDonald’s Cheeseburger and Swanson Pot Pie.

  21. J Says:

    @Hearty… I agree with the OC turnstile probability, but I disagree with Bowles system not necessarily working. I believe he’s done a pretty good job to stay competitive while rebuilding since we won a SB with his defense. JPP was hurt before we parted ways, as well as DW, VV, KC etc. He’s navigated pretty well, even though it might not have been pretty at times. This exactly why I think there’s cause for excitement. Lots of continuity on this team, lots of guys paired up other rookies/Vets to make a successful transition, and a bevy of athletes that already know how to be a pro (more than any year I’ve ever seen) coming in. If they can stay primarily healthy I believe this will be a fun season.

  22. J Says:

    *I did not mean to include VV or KC as those that were traded. Only to point out they were I jured.

  23. J Says:

    Mcd’s chzburger & pot pie, LOL

  24. RamblingRhino Says:

    A Great question to ask HC or OC Veteran D players asap is :

    With this being a McVey offense tree limb, and our OC has ran it at the NFL level and College level. And hearing how the players are all saying this offense is tough mentally and physically. Is this why we have had difficulty with playing against this type of offense style? These types of offensive styles have to be so dialed in to several variables before the snap to make them work well. Be it against our Defensive plans, or our 2024 Opponents defensive plans.

    Such will be, we will see. With our new complicated corridinated confusion on every play that all have different plays out of exact same formations. I am excited to see the new results.


  25. BucsBeBack Says:

    strong right slot z right spider 2 y banana z over

  26. Drunkinybor Says:

    I mean, this offense is hard,” Rachaad White said after practice today. “Like, I mean, everybody seen. Baker said it. It ain’t easy
    Gruden said hold my beer Keyshaun.
    John Gruden ” Green right x, shift to viper right, 382 X sticky looky!”
    Chris Simms ” ummmm yeah ugh right.” Okay guys, Green right x, shift to viper right, 382 Y sticky looky.”
    Gruden screams ” X” and his head exploded into a flaming skull. 🤯 💥 🤯 💥

  27. BigMacAttack Says:

    Jeff Garcia just looked at Chucky and said “pull my finger”.

  28. BigMacAttack Says:

    Rachaad looks like Milli Vanilli

  29. Drunkinybor Says:

    Gruden to Simms.
    ” scatter to west tight right, F left, 382 y stick Z spot.”
    Simms. ” here we go guys.” Scatter the… uh oh. Say it again.”
    Gruden ” Jimmeny Crickets ” Just go Scatter the west right right, F LEFT 382, Y Stick Z spot!”
    Simms ” Dur..Here we fo Scatter to ugh.
    Gruden ( his head has exploded again at this point and it a screeching demonic noise coming out.)
    Simms ” F left, 372 y sti…”
    Gruden ” 382″ at this point Gruden on camera became shaking uncontrollably. His flaming skull faces ro the sky and a beam of flaming energy shot into space. Which brings us to the episode known known only as the the ( Altering) Which created the multi verse and placed us all into the realty we live in today.

  30. SlyPirate Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I still say we need a Mike Alstott guy in the backfield too.


    We’re all with you! Unfortunately they only made one Mike Alstott. Super special, one-of-a-kind, never before, never since type of player. If it were that easy we’d get Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Randy Moss type guys, too. Not picking on you. Just saying they broke the mold.

  31. Drunkinybor Says:

    Geesh. I’m just trying to quote Gru dog and I kept spelling it wrong. It’s scatter the west, right tight, F left, 382, Y sticky Z spot.

  32. Booger Says:

    I knew it would prob be tough. It was the same excuse after every game last season at UK. I mean, you’d think after by say the 8th game that maybe, you’d at least try ‘dumbing it down’ a little, if they still (were too stupid and) hadn’t gotten it yet, by THEN!?:/

  33. Noclu4u Says:

    Jason we talked about this before the draft . In fact you said you would consider double dipping for the O-line if it fell the right way. Well it didn’t fall until late but now Corey Linsley is an available F.A.. He is the best center in the NFL right now . Make the call . If he can pass the physical he is plug and play ready . Put Barton at LG and Bucs have top 5 O-line in the NFL. Make the call , it could turn out to be a
    dirty deed done dirt cheap 😉
    As always Go BUCS

  34. Noclu4u Says:

    Corey Linsley
    Deal done dirt cheap
    Make that call .

  35. Dson Says:

    @Drunkinybor get out of the sun man🤣🤣

  36. BAKERSBucs says Says:

    I did not understand half these post seems like most were drunk or ur related to joe biden

  37. CleanHouse Says:

    It’s because they are not smart.

  38. ^^mtn^^ Says:

    To all those not paying attention:

    Coen will call plays for players, those that produce.

    At this point, the team’s strength is the passing game.

    Yes, this basically throws pass vs run percentage out the window.

    That said, Coen will play situational ball.

    Thus, emphasis on one or the other is no more than a goal or philosophy to aim towards.

    42%, 44% …. it’s all relative, don’t waste your time.


    The sky is blue.

    Forrest Gump “Is not a smart man”.

    Telling falsehoods about the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny & Santa Claus just teaches your kids that lying is OK.

    NFL offenses require effort on the part of professionals.

    What’s your obsession all the RW quote based articles?

    Give it a break bros

  39. heyjude Says:

    I love hearing what the players say about each other. A breath of fresh air every single time, all being positively teamwork. Yes, there is a learning curve with a new OC, newer roster. I don’t think it will be status quo at all, but instead some good changes. All in on Coen and believe it will work out. And along with it, noted by Joe, that every NFC South team is running a new offense with a new coordinator this season. There is something to that too.

  40. JimBobBuc Says:

    I love that Coen is stress testing his players. He finds out who’s smart, who hits the playbook hard, and then he can send in 3 plays to get the match ups he wants. He’s said he’ll dial it back when the games start, hopefully we won’t have many procedure calls early in the season. Coen’s attitude seems to be paying off as Cars and Pic seem to have the OL ahead of schedule according to Bowles.

  41. garro Says:


    Suddenly I suspect a very sloppy camp and preseason.

    IP and motion calls out the ying yang? Get in your play book boys! Off time or not!

    Get them coached up Coen!

    Go Bucs!