Bucs Miss Golden Opportunity; Back To Banking On Hope

March 30th, 2024

Escapes to Jersey.

This was enough for Joe to pull a Bobby Knight and throw a chair.

Yes, a lot of readers wanted Joe’s immediate feedback yesterday when news broke that the Bucs had no desire to secure one of the NFL’s best players at arguably a defense’s most important position: edge rusher.

Thus, Haason Reddick, who has no less than 11 sacks each of the last four seasons, was shipped from Philadelphia to the New York Jets.

(No, Joe doesn’t give two effs why other teams possibly didn’t try to get Reddick nor does Joe give a shiite why the Eagles wanted to unload him. Joe only cares about the Bucs and knew getting Reddick would take care of the biggest, most important hole in the Bucs’ defense.)

Had Joe typed this post at the time news broke of the trade, Joe probably would have lost advertisers or had his credentials pulled by the NFL. Or both.

Yes, Joe was that enraged.

Joe has no earthly idea why the Bucs wouldn’t have wanted Reddick, who was swapped for a second-day draft pick. Unless of course, the Bucs are working behind the scenes to acquire Myles Garrett or T.J. Watt.

It’s not like the Bucs have a guy on the roster with anything close to Reddick’s production.

For the better part of this century, since Simeon Rice was cut, the Bucs have not appeared dedicated to their edge rush, again, the most important player on a defense.

Oh, the Bucs have tried with first-round picks. All have gone belly-up. For whatever reason, this franchise is snakebit when it comes to drafting edge rushers — since Lee Roy Selmon was selected with the very first Bucs draft pick, name another edge rusher the team drafted who made a Pro Bowl. Quick!

That’s another reason Joe wanted Reddick wearing pewter and red so badly. He’s proven!

The one time since Rice was released that the Bucs appeared serious about building an edge rush they went out and stole Jason Pierre-Paul from the Giants and a year later signed Shaq Barrett.

And what happened? A short time later, the Bucs won a Super Bowl, largely thanks to a vicious pass rush.

Coincidence? Joe doesn’t believe in football coincidences.

So now all the available good edge rushers are set in stone with their teams — either with new contracts or have been traded. It now seems the Bucs are going to rely on two elements that echo back to The Lost Decade.

For 2024, it appears the Bucs will bank on an edge rush from hope (YaYa Diaby) and a prayer (Joe Tryon-Shoyinka).

As Knight famously once said, “hope” is the most vile four-letter word in the English language.

88 Responses to “Bucs Miss Golden Opportunity; Back To Banking On Hope”

  1. DS Says:

    Bucs aren’t all in

  2. Proudbucsfan Says:

    I’m right there with you Joe. We need a consistent pass rush that is putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. It makes our whole defense better, and we desperately need someone better on the edge.

  3. James in Memphis Says:

    Lazy analysis

  4. DS Says:

    I kinda think the organization is resting on the success of the 2023 season. Licht better wake up

  5. Christopher Schiefen Says:

    So let me get this straight: the same dude who determined JPP still had it has determined Reddick does not, especially at his salary. For you to dismiss what the rest of the league thinks of him reeks of amateurism. Did you watch every snap of his last year? Guess what, the pro depts of the Bucs and every other team did, & determined he wasn’t worth his salary for 24.

  6. James in Memphis Says:

    And the next Jets lmao

  7. James in Memphis Says:

    That’s so weak

  8. Christopher Schiefen Says:

    The Giants were out of their SB window and got what they could for JPP. The Eagles are directly inside theirs and couldn’t wait to get rid of Reddick.

  9. sweti_yeti Says:

    J03 could have gotten over the rage a few weeks ago by recognizing that the trade he wanted just wasn’t happening. There was literally zero reason to think it would. And if this J03 doesn’t want to accept the very good reasons why the Bucs didn’t want to make this move, then he’s in fantasy land. I’m confident Jason Licht and Todd Bowles are 10,000% more qualified to build a roster and evaluate a player. It’s also clear that, despite covering the team, this J03 really doesn’t understand what they’re trying to do and how they’re building the team and what personnel moves make sense within that plan.

  10. Sal Says:

    Bucs will suck again

  11. Tampamac Says:

    I’d guess it’s more so due to the $14 mil he’s due this year, the nearly $22 mil cap hit and the contract you’d need to extend him with for him to be more then an expensive 1 year rental on a team that still needs to pay Wirfs and Winfield.

  12. Tampamac Says:


  13. tampabuscsbro Says:

    It’s hard to tell what goes on in trade talks.

    Maybe we made an attempt maybe the price wasn’t right at the time.

    Also, maybe Howie didn’t want the buccaneers to have him.

    Too much speculation, the pass rush market is terrible this year so I can’t fault the organization for not finding someone.

    This Joe also thinks we should have made an attempt at Chase Young who was benched for a lack of effort on the NFC champions.

  14. Beeej Says:

    Bucs wanna build thru the draft or BUST

  15. Joe Says:

    This Joe also thinks we should have made an attempt at Chase Young

    “This Joe” absolutely did not! Young hasn’t been the same since Donovan Smith got in his head (and later Young blew out a knee). Now Montez Sweat, yeah, Joe was interested in.

  16. Obvious Says:

    It IS possible that they refused to trade fairly with us if at all. We’re not buddies and we’ve put a lot of hurt on them through the years at monumental moments such as putting one stadium IN THE GRAVE and the new one in it’s first game, we tainted it with our dominance once again.

    Not to mention the embarrassing Seal Clubbing just a few months back as we BROKE THEIR BACKS, HOPES AND DREAMS…

    They may not have gotten over it just yet… And to deal any of their players to us maybe a bit higher than it would cost other teams.

    Just saying it’s a possibility. Clearly it wasn’t worth it to us one way or the other. And besides, who said we didn’t try?

  17. FloridaMan Says:

    Damn everything you say in this one makes complete sense, hopefully they are smarter than us. On the other hand I feel like that Lions game is won last year if we have a dominant edge rusher. The lions seemed to have our blitz scheme figured out.

  18. MelvinJunior Says:

    Saquon Barkley would’ve made a lot more sense than Reddick. About the same money, could ‘manipulate’ the cap, and you get him for 3-YEARS, plus you didn’t have to give away any assets in order to get him. We can’t be LOADED at every position right now, & OFFENSE is what is desperately NEEDED. A lot more so than our Defense last season. Every team has their ‘weak spots’ and I’m totally good with ours being at EDGE, for the time being. We Need (first-downs, time-of-possession and) POINTS. With Vea and Kancey, & Co. causing havoc up front, it’s now TIME, for JTS, YaYa, & Hall to step the heck up and SHINE.

  19. No Mercy Says:

    No pass rush and no Devin White who wasn’t great at much except pressuring the QB… qbs will have all day to throw on us especially Kirk “you like that!”

  20. RagingBrisket Says:

    So much exhaustive whining as if it will make a bit of difference. The pass rush is crap but you aren’t in charge of fixing it and your judgement (based on oline vs rb) tells me we better take a deep breath and let the professionals figure it out.
    The incessant whining only saddens the insulation in the walls

  21. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Unless of course, the Bucs are working behind the scenes to acquire Myles Garrett or T.J. Watt.

    Joe’s newest fantasy…………

    Hold tight man, we’ll do something when the time is right.

  22. James Says:

    I am concerned about the pass rush too, but that does not mean that Reddick was necessarily the right solution.

    A thought – the Bucs have two third round picks after the Carlton Davis trade. If one of those is used to trade up in the first round to secure a pass rusher, would that not be a better use of that third round pick than trading it for Reddick? You would then have a young pass rusher on a cheap rookie contract, rather than a near-30 year old expecting one more big contract in a year’s time.

  23. MadMax Says:

    We’ll get Chris Braswell with our 2nd after getiing Powers….calm down, geeze

  24. Saskbucs Says:

    I hope you are right Madmax. Edge is our biggest need right now and Reddick was likely a much better option than anything we are getting at pick 26 but I understand we have dead cap and don’t wanna bet too heavily on Baker… yet.

    Tough not to think that this is our chance in a really weak NFC to sell the farm though. Extend those guys, open cap. Get a proven edge. Solidify the IOL, draft weapons and pass rush depth. It would continue to mortgage the future a bit and Bucs don’t want to. Always the trade deadline if the season is showing promise.

  25. Tony marks Says:

    Is this Joe married?

    If not

    Can someone set him up with a date?

  26. SB Says:

    Third round pick yeah. Easy. Could we afford his salary and still sign our Draft picks???

  27. Onetrickpony Says:

    Dont worry, we still have JTS…geesh

  28. Brian in St Pete Says:

    I’d rather make a 3rd round pick in the draft than give it up for a 1 year rental on a 30+ year old overpaid edge.

  29. Capt.Tim Says:

    If you wanna win, you have to have a pass rusher.
    The NFL is all about the passing.
    On offense, you gotta have a QB.
    On Defense, you gotta have a pass rusher.

    How can we not have addressed this yet?

  30. Proudbucsfan Says:

    Many of theses idiots in here don’t realize that this years draft is extremely weak for pass rushers and the chances of us hitting a home run on one in his rookie season is nil. Free agency or trade is the only option to fix the issue now and if we know this the front office knows this and is going to sit on there hands and “hope” YaYa or one of our other edge rushers has a break out year.

  31. Capt.Tim Says:

    29th ranked pass defense.
    You dont stand pat with that dumpster fire.

    As Joe wrote- this franchise cant draft DEs. Not one in the 40:years since the great LeeRoy Selmon.

    Rookies never contribute. It takes them a couple years.
    Just in time to see Mike Evans, Lavonte David, and Vita Vea walk out of the Building.

  32. Tony marks Says:

    Capt.Tim Says:
    March 30th, 2024 at 3:33 am

    How can we not have addressed this yet?

    At this point unless theres a team actively looking to unload a player (like in Reddick’s case) theres no reason to make a move until draft day. You see what goes . Maybe you can move up. Maybe another team wants to deal a veteran based on whose on the board.

    I am fine with not t wanting to take on a 30 year old player that wants a multi year 25+ million a year contract that even his existing team doesn’t want to pay him. All thats assuming that there were no attempts. Is no shocker if they didn’t want to deal Reddick to the team that knocked them out of the playoffs.

  33. heyjude Says:

    It is a letdown for sure. Still optimistic for the draft… There are good players in the running if we can get them.

    The Jets seem to be building a team around Rodgers. Will they trade out QB Zach next? We lost out on Reddick, but it isn’t over for us yet.

  34. Scott Says:

    Maybe Anthony Nelson or JTS will finally step up and do something substantial this year. Or they are banking on Markees Watts making a big step up.

  35. Ugotrobbed Says:

    VOODOO CURSE!! : )

  36. adam from ny Says:

    omg joe this is crazy…!

    the gaping hole remains gaping…

    they’ve gotta have something planned, some kind of strategy to land a seasoned pass rusher – they’re too good of a front office to ignore the issue…

    hang tight…things happen around the draft…

    we’ve got two 3rd rounders – maybe they’ll part with one for a real deal dude…!!!

    or maybe we can get ngakoue from the bears for a 5th, or something…

    could they be simply just waiting for summer cuts from washed out edges that teams no longer want…???…i hope not

  37. Bucs Guy Says:

    Bucs havecalways prioritized pressure up the middle. Yes, you also need pressure off the edge. The team was not willing to trade for a 1-year rental player in addition to the salary cap problem. No way any team with half a brain is going to pay him $25M/year at his age under a new contract.

    Pressure up the middle. That’s Brady’s krptonite and Baker’s also. That’s why we need a better C.

  38. adam from ny Says:

    i dunno…

    i can’t see them going into camp with wet behind the ears yaya, and demoted joe sho as their primary duo, with nelson as the prime bench edge…

    there’s no way…

    and with watts, ramirez and gill finning out room…

    hell no…this can’t sound right to anyone…

    okay – take a deep breath and let licht work some magic

  39. adam from ny Says:

    holy cannoli !

  40. adam from ny Says:

    as we currently stand, the draft looks something like this:

    1- edge
    2- c/g……..or maybe wr
    3- edge
    3- wr….or a magical licht IOL guy
    4- ilb or cb
    5- rb
    6- tommy b
    7- brock purdy

    we must be going for 2 early edge pieces at this point

  41. Defense Rules Says:

    Todd Bowles’ defenses here have been VERY CONSISTENT in getting sacks year-to-year. But they’ve produced them in a myriad of ways. Sometimes it’s the OLBs who produce the majority; other times he’s been able to compensate for the lack of an edge rush by using the interior DLine or ILBs to generate more pressure.

    Where we haven’t been as consistent is in generating PRESSURE from year-to-year. It obviously impacts opposing QB completion percentages (less pressure; more time to throw?). These last 2 years … without JPP & Suh (and Shaq being injured) …have obviously seen a BIG drop in pressures.

    o 2023: Completion %: 66.62% – Sacks: 48 – Pressures: 136
    o 2022: Completion %: 64.51% – Sacks: 44 – Pressures: 144
    o 2021: Completion %: 65.18% – Sacks: 47 – Pressures: 224
    o 2020: Completion %: 66.96% – Sacks: 48 – Pressures: 193
    o 2019: Completion %: 61.45% – Sacks: 47 – Pressures: 186

    TB has actually done a masterful job IMO in compensating for a meh pass rush. It hasn’t been pretty for sure, but the end result (last year: 19.1 PPG allowed … best in 15 years) speaks for itself. Nonetheless, you gotta have the horses to pull the wagon, and right now we don’t have them. Ya Ya’s got great POTENTIAL, and so does Kancey. But we NEED 1 or 2 more talented starters who can get to the QB. HOPEFULLY (for you Joe) the draft provides a solution.

  42. adam from ny Says:

    @Defense: ^^^

    it’s so true…bowles is good for 45-50 sacks every year…

    knock him all you want, but he does find a way and literally pulls them out of a hat if he has too…

    if he has to have LVD get 7 sacks this year, he will make it happen

  43. gotbbucs Says:

    The Eagles traded him out of conference. Thats probably not a coincidence. We’ll never know if Licht inquired or not.

    What we do know is that the team still wants to work out a long term deal with Winfield and Wirfs. I don’t think they’ll be trading for outside the organization mercenaries and adding those potential new salaries before they get Winfield and Wirfs done.

  44. Canabuc Says:

    She that Reddick would have been an expensive rental and if we were in good cap situation and 1 or 2 pieces away it would make sense.
    Reddick had a bunch of stuff around him skirting him to get after the QB. We don’t. Diaby and Kancey I expect to be even better in year 2. I think Watts and Ramirez can add some pressure as situational rushers from the edge.

    I think we need a stud guard or tackle 1st and make this a line like the Dominant Cowboys lines. Dominate time of possession helps the defense.

    I do want to see us get an edge rusher. I don’t want to see us reach for one and pass an obvious stuff at another position of need. We can’t fill all our holes in one off season without wrecking the salary cap….

  45. adam from ny Says:

    guestimate on sacks this year:

    LVD – 3
    vita – 5
    joe sho – 5
    yaya- 10
    nelly – 5
    kancey – 8
    hall- 2
    gaines- 1
    awj & whitehead- 4

    + 5 misc other sacks from others

    = about 48 sacks………..omg, can it be ???

    now if yaya and kancey don’t accrue the estimated sacks i mentioned, and only get half….say 5 and 4 respectively…then we are hovering around 40 sacks…

    and that’s where you need the pro-sack artist to come in and grab 10 sacks and bring us up closer to 50…

    so yeah we are probably missing that one seasoned dude

  46. Todd Says:

    Pretty sure Bowles, Licht and supporting staff are not special needs children who make decisions based on the terrible-2’s rants of others. I have a sneaky suspicion they are very calculated in their decision making process.

    The two year old flailing in the mall screaming at the top of his lungs…well, he’ll probably grow up to one day cover professional football.

  47. CTBucs Says:

    The guy wants 25+m in salary. Would you rather have Wirfs, Winfield or this guy? Cmon Joe, I know you want an edge rusher worse than I want a full head of hair… but let’s be realistic

  48. Defense Rules Says:

    Adam from NY … Unlike Joe (who apparently LOVES sacks as the be-all & end-all), I think that PRESSURES are what really make the difference (pressures includes sacks of course).

    We’ve all seen time-and-time-again where opposing QBs have enough time in the pocket to order a pizza then take a nap after eating it and STILL complete the pass. THAT’S lack of pressure. Usually what I end up seeing in those cases is our DE/OLBs hovering on the outside (prioritizing containment) and our interior DLine guys getting stonewalled (but working hard to protect their gaps). Every once in awhile we’ll see either 1 of our OLBs or a blitzer go flashing past the pocket (while the QB watches in amusement?).

    Todd’s good at mixing in blitzes to pressure the QB, and we do get a number of our sacks that way, BUT … there’s no substitute IMO for having the horses to generate pressure across the entire front. We don’t have that, and it costs us. Still, we’re obviously on a budget since our SB run, and that’s one of the prices to be paid apparently.

  49. Defense Rules Says:

    Todd … ‘The two year old flailing in the mall screaming at the top of his lungs…well, he’ll probably grow up to one day cover professional football.’

    Gonna be hard to get THAT image of Joe out of my head now Todd. Kudos.

  50. Winny Testaverde Says:

    A very interesting debate/situation…

    -Jets & Eagles basically swapped Huff for Reddick…with a 3rd going to Philly also

    -Perhaps the 3rd acquired for Davis would have been enough…but Philly likely preferred outta the NFC and as others have said…Philly can’t like the Bucs

    -Reddick would have ( and has gotten ) an instant pay raise/extension

    -Joe made a great point…Bucs pursuit of stud pash rushers always comes thru trades ( JPP ) and free agency ( Simeon Rice & Barrett )

    It will be painful to watch opposing QB’s enjoy a “5 Mississippi” count in the pocket next season.

  51. Hodad Says:

    How did we ever beat Philly in the playoffs when they had such a great edge rusher? Also why did Philly want to ship him out for only a 3rd rounder? Maybe Joe should ponder this.

  52. #99 the big fella Says:

    I would rather build through the draft.. reddick would have been a 1 year rental and we really can’t afford him..I’m glad we picked up another 3rd rounder in this years draft. We can move up to pick that edge rusher if he is there. Our top priority should be center then edge.. . Have faith fellas we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

  53. Bojim Says:

    JL knows what he’s doing. We’ll have an edge rusher soon.

  54. stpetebucfan Says:

    D.R. as usual you stole my point LOL. I’m totally on board with pressures being critical! Fundamentally I believe you just need to keep the QB totally uncomfortable and off his game! If that includes sacks great…if it’s simply a QB running around like a chicken with his head cut off that’s just as good for me.

    I fundamentally agree with Joe except of his passion about this ONE player. It’s not the player it’s the obsession over ONE player, especially since we’re no longer talking about QB. While I agree with his sentiment I disagree with the panic.

    BTW LOL some dude here yesterday was beotching because Joe posted a positive Licht article saying that’s all Joe posts, love letters to TL. He must have skipped over the dozens of posts like these.

    IMHO I think Joe and Ian have been reasonable and balanced in their takes. Some bad picks, some great picks, some great trades some stupid trades, but again..how many Division wins and the toughest of all to achieve a SB.

  55. BucsFan Says:

    OK I will name another Edge Rusher the Bucs drafted and he was Hugh Green, a great player who was mired in the dumpster fire from 81-84

  56. darengibo Says:

    Deep breath. Calm down. It takes 2 teams to trade and no way the Eagles were trading him to Tampa! If he were free agent l would understand your rage Joe.

  57. Vinny from NYC Says:

    I read on a different site that Dallas was interested in JTS, believe it is for a 5th round pick. Personally I think we stick with JTS for 24 and watch Reddick and the Jets suck for another year.

  58. Day 1-76 Says:

    Licht will draft a 3rd rd small school edge rusher project and claim he believes he found the steal of the draft. “We can’t believe he fell to us, we were getting really nervous.”

  59. Dave Pear Says:

    If Jason couldn’t bring in Reddick it’s only because Todd didn’t want him. Todd thinks he can outsmart everyone with exotic defenses. LOL

  60. BUCman Says:

    It doesn’t take a brain surgeon Joe to know why the Bucs didn’t make this trade. Just look at the weak compensation the Eagles got and it tells you why. HE WANTS TOO MUCH MONEY! 25m per year. Only the Jets are willing to pay him and that is because they are all-in on this season to win a Superbowl with a very small window with Aaron Rodgers. Just as we did with Brady.

  61. ATLBUC Says:

    Joe says:
    It’s not like the Bucs have a guy on the roster with anything close to Reddick’s production.
    Perhaps they’re looking at in rate. If he had enough snaps, Marquis Watts win rate of 23% would be third in the league behind Garrett and Bosa. Perhaps they are projecting Watts into the starting role

  62. NJbucs23 Says:

    It’s simple economics. We can’t afford him. He wants a raise and to be paid as top edge rusher in the league.

    Attention joes, your narrative is played out.

    We can’t afford him!!!!!!

  63. Boss Says:

    This is Todd’s built in excuse and he gave you ladies Bake and , better known as the situation and drop it like it’s hot. There’s this thing called the salary cap.

    Yalll need to educate yourselves. Till then Todd will continue use you as useful idiots.

    They are trying to win…… just enough to keep you following blindly and keep Todd and Jason’s jobs

  64. HC Grover Says:

    Bowles is happy with Plan 9.

  65. Beeej Says:

    We likely would have had him for just the one year at $14.5 million, which I could see if we were doing the ‘all-in’ thing again, THEN we’d be looking at a 31 year old edge rusher who wants a long-term contract…. AGAIN.

  66. Jerseybuc Says:

    Never in the budget. We have our own players that we need to lock up and we need to get younger.

  67. Pewter Power Says:

    Haason Reddick has 5 solo tackles and 10 assists in 5 games versus the Buccaneers in his career.

    Bucs need on rookies at corner when they drafted two corners Davis and Dean. Bucs bet on Wirfs as a rookie, Winfield as a safety and so on. Teams bet on rookie quarterbacks every year like panthers did and had zero help protecting or any weapons. It ain’t that serious the Bucs prefer to bet on draft which is what a GM is supposed to do. Not sure why you’re pushing for that particular guy so hard because it’s nonsense.

  68. Paratrooper Buc Says:

    I agree edge rusher that is proven would be great to have but at what cost? Reddick is owed $14.5 million and third round pick that could be a second round pick. Thats too high. Especially after we let Shaq go as many felt he would be in his second year after the tear and likely better than last year. Our budget is the problem as we are paying a lot for over a handful of players and still have dead money on the books. I share your concern about Wirfs contract which would be harder to deal with if we paid $14.5 million on an edge rusher when we have less than that available. I think Licht has done as much as he can in FA to lock in people for 2024 and 2025. Realistically the Bucs have a tougher schedule and are not likely to improve over last two years wins and not get the nfc south title. However, next year we will take a leap with more cap space and slightly better draft position. I thought last year the Bucs would do 6 wins given the weaknesses and this year I think 8-9 is likely given the harder schedule and a new OC for the second year in a row.

  69. Pewter Power Says:

    2019 Shaq Barrett 19.5 sack in first year with the Bucs opposite JPP’s 8.5
    Outcome 7-9 win loss record. Apparently someone has forgotten the pre Brady Bucs

  70. Bucben61 Says:

    Boss….always so optimistic …that’s a Saints fan for ya

  71. Statguy Says:

    The Eagles likely didn’t want to trade him to us regardless. Nothing else matters then.

  72. Duane in Sanford Says:

    Once again, Bowles doesnt need DEs to generate his pass rush. His calling card is the Blitz. We just got rid of a 30 something Edge rusher making over $14 million a year. Its a scoring league.

  73. Bucfan1988 Says:

    Joe, before you put an article out like this BERATING Licht & Bucs brass, you might wanna find out if they actually did try & trade for him.

    Eagles may have asked for ridiculous stuff in keeping Reddick in the NFC. Especially since we beat their a$$es in the playoff….

    One person is not going to make/break a team.

    Licht is trying to do it the right way. Drafting talent…….
    I look forward to seeing more of what Watts can bring to the table and I’m sure we’ll draft pash rusher early….

    There still might be a deal to swing after the draft as well…

    Don’t give up hope man!!

  74. #99 the big fella Says:

    Boss, you make absolutely no sense.. as usual it’s a bunch of jiberish.

  75. Rod Munch Says:

    “Reddick is due to make $14.25 million in base pay in 2024”

    It’s really all about that.

    Now, trade for Fields and his cheap contract, then you’d have the money to make other moves. But the Bucs didn’t, which pretty much meant at best the Bucs would be able to keep guys but not really add much.

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    Boss just rambling on…

  77. Rod Munch Says:

    JTS has improved every year, getting 5.5 sacks last year as a part time player.

    Sure, he lost his job to Yaya, but that was because Yaya looks like he could be a star player.

    If JTS is a starter, I suspect he’ll continue to improve and might be around the 8 sack mark.

    Regardless, he’s the kind of guy who will play for a long time, even if he’s never star. But the morons who think if you’re not an all pro player you should be cut, will always cry about something.

  78. Capt.Tim Says:

    Our pass defense is ranked 29th, and the problems all start up front.
    Coach Bowles does compensate with creative blitz packages.
    But when you blitz a player,you are leaving a hole in the defense.
    Good QBs will exploit that every time.
    Thus the 29th ranked pass defense.

    With 2 good pass rushers, you dont have to blitz. They cant double team them both. Thats why Joe ( and knowledgeable posters) are so adamant about improving the pass rush. While Vea can collapse the pocket, QBs just roll out to the edge.
    If you have pressure from the edges- no where to go,

    29th ranked pass defense isnt gonna get done this year. We are playing some tough teams. They will throw fow 600 yards, if we dont get an effective pass rush.
    And Rookies dont offer much their first year. Cant count on a rokie and a first year player. That wont get it done.

    Joe isnt overreacting. He’s spot on. We have 4 positions that have to be addressed
    Pass Rushing edge is number one. Pass rushing LBer is top 3.
    Gotta happen.

  79. Jeffrey Becker Says:

    This makes sense for a couple of reasons per Bleacher Report, as Tryon-Shoyinka comes at a budget price.

    “As it happens, the Cowboys have a big need on the edge and Tryon comes with an affordable $2.2 million salary,” writes B/R. “With Dorance Amstrong and Dante Fowler Jr. leaving, the Cowboys with 716 snaps to replace.”

    The other reason this could make sense for Dallas, per B/R, is the cost of acquiring Tryon-Shoyinka.

    “They can find another edge defender in the draft, but it’s going to be hard to find one ready to contribute with the fifth-round pick they’d be sending to Tampa,” B/R wrote. “They can go to free agency but there aren’t many 24 year old with the potential to find a new level of production on the market.”

    For Tampa Bay, it could present an opportunity to get something in return for a player that frequently got lost on the depth chart last season while gaining a draft pick.

  80. 1#bucsfan Says:

    Enraged is a nice way to put it. We got a 3rd for Davis and could have easily turned that same 3rd into reddick. Unless they use it to move up to get 1 of the best edge rushers in the draft but even then rookies don’t make to much of a impact in their 1st season

  81. NCBuc Says:

    Hey Capt Tim….. When was the last time a team threw for 600 yards on the Bucs? I’m curious, because I can’t find it anywhere. Even over the years we just kinda rolled the dice with who we had. Make it make sense for me.

  82. JD Still Says:

    Hope is not a strategy , wishes are not plans.

  83. NCBuc Says:

    Just like I’m trying to make sense of “This Joe” have interest in Montez. Another player who hasn’t reached double digit sacks.

  84. Simeon4HOF Says:

    The fact that it is a future pick kinda stung, but he does want to break the bank and seems like he just had his prime. Also we couldn’t have been high on the Eagles list to trade him to after knocking him them out of playoffs. We’re likely multiple factors in play here. Appears the Bucs have another plan for Edge and didn’t risk the overspend. Looks even more like JL may need to trade up in a top round to get us our Pass Rusher if necessary bcuz we can’t really miss now

  85. Dr Says:

    The price to send him to Tampa was probably at least our 2nd round pick, which is closest to the J-E-T-S’ third rounder. And if it’s any consolation, Joe, it’s not like the Jets have made good decisions. Not exactly a team to mimic.

  86. Capt. Tim Says:

    Sure- trade the Cowboys a former first round pick for a fifth round pick.
    Cowgirl fans are so delusional. Lol

  87. Capt. Tim Says:

    600 was a bleak warning for the future.
    But Jared Goff was 40-43 for 287 yards. His QB rating against us was 107.4
    But I dunno, NC. If being 29th in Pass defense isnt a concern, I doubt my apocalyptic warnings will bother you.

  88. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Lay this at the feet of coach Blowles who thinks JTS is a weapon and the answer is still on this team. He’s totally clueless about his inability to coach this defense or up coach our rookies.