“We Just Gotta Keep Choppin’ Away At It”

December 4th, 2023

Run, Bucs, run!

That’s what Todd Bowles wants to see on offense, he explained today.

Joe wants to see successful running. Bowles does, too. But the difference is Bowles seems willing to accept killing time with poor run plays.

Brace yourself; Joe has a stat from yesterday.

No. 1 Bucs running back Rachaad White had 10 runs of 2 yards or less against the lowly Panthers. In total, White ran 20 times for 84 yards, with the biggest chunk coming on the final real play of the game, a 30-yard scamper as Carolina sold out for the run on 3rd-and-1 with 2 minutes remaining.

“We just gotta keep choppin’ away at it,” Bowles told WFLA-TV sports chief Dan Lucas today. “We’re really making progress in that area.”

The Bucs are making progress in the run game, but at their current rate of improvement, they’ll have a good ground game just in time for Kyle Trask to make a meaningless start in Week 18.

Why the Bucs haven’t been good at scheming the run game and why the team doesn’t want to throw more remain mysteries at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters.

77 Responses to ““We Just Gotta Keep Choppin’ Away At It””

  1. Let Em Bake Says:

    Baker gonna be a daddy 🙂 Congrats to you and your beautiful wife , Emily.

  2. A Bucs Fan Says:

    Boooooooooooooo!!! Booooooooo!!!! Get outta here with that junk.

  3. Voice of Truth Says:

    I badly want the run game coordinator job under Todd – safest position in the building as long as Todd’s in charge

    Wow, how he settles for ineptitude is just amazing

  4. Hodad Says:

    Hopefully the new head coach can figure it out.

  5. BRYAN KOHN Says:

    Take away the last run and where does it leave us? Bowles has to go man. PERIOD!

  6. HC Grover Says:

    Agree…the whole staff should be on the chopping block. A chop here, a chop there, a chop everywhere. The time frame should be Chop Chop like yesterday.

  7. Conte Piscatelli Says:

    My problem isn’t even how often we run, it’s the same sorry run plays we call. We want to run through the A gaps when the strength of our line is at tackle and our back is much more a slasher than a north and south down hill bruiser. We never run misdirection or counters. Just straight said.

  8. Erik Hesson - Fine Artist and Founder of UniqueModernArt.com Says:

    He’ll be preaching this crap at a Div III college eventually.

    It only works in the NFL nowadays f you have a RB like a Jonathan Taylor type guy or a Nick Chubb type etc and we obv don’t.

  9. SB~LV Says:

    Kicking the stool out from under your own feet

  10. Popcorn Mike Says:

    Joe I hear you loud and clear. Bowles with this chopping away at the run. With 5 games left the Bucs need to be focus on what’s gonna win games and pass first with sticking a run in hear and there work better at this time. If Bowles and his stubbornness kept this up he’s gonna run the Bucs out of their very small chances to make the playoffs and run his self right out the door

  11. Pryda…sec147 Says:

    It’s not so bad it’s overblown

  12. Sc bucs fan Says:

    White up the middle for 1 will continue

  13. Jack Sparrow Says:

    WOw! i was really surprised Bucs won by 3 points against the worst team in the NFL….. amazing !!! Bowles for Head Coach of the Year !!!! YAY!!!! smh…

  14. Tony Marks Says:

    Hey don’t try and think you joes don’t have a very small part but part nonetheless in this. You helped encourage the monster with all the heralding a week ago of how the run game was now improved as a fact ( not just a blip due to competition)

    As I noted then – you really thought Bowles and Canales were going to change while you we telling them their master plan was slowly working?
    Yes, it’s Joe’s fault. Sorry, but Joe couldn’t ignore an improved run day in Indy out of fear of influencing the coaching staff. Next you’ll pin a bad draft pick on Joe. –Joe

  15. unbelievable Says:

    We as Bucs fans should take some time to acknowledge this incredible thing that we’re all witnessing:

    Todd Bowles would prefer to not score points, lose games, and eventually get himself fired, all so that he can say they ran the offense he wanted.


  16. Jeff Says:

    Clueless Todd needs to coach better. He’s your classic smartest of all the idiots type coach.

  17. Proudbucsfan Says:

    It’s disgusting, as fans I know there are so many of us that are so frustrated because we know our offense is being wasted. This offense could be scoring so many more points. Put Godwin back in the slot and move Palmer to the outside and push the dang ball down the field throw on first and second downs and we won’t have a third.

  18. Nprbuc Says:

    Mystery solved Joe! Bowles is stupid and stubborn. Kept Ya Ya on the bench for half the season because JTS was ready to break out. White up the middle was going to work one of these time. Just watch! D White makes the defense run. JJ came off the bench yesterday and put White to shame. (JJ will go back on the bench as soon as White is ready.) Bowles save timeouts every week like they are gift certificates to Bern Steakhouse.plays a soft zone, that gets torched every time they use it, because only two guys can press/man coverage. ( We play much better in man). There you have it Joe. Your mystery has been solved. Bowels is stupid and stubborn. Your welcome.

  19. Buc4evr Says:

    I’d like to know how they are going to stop the run. Our run defense is like a sieve. Even the Panthers ran over us yesterday. Sad defense, the Falcons are going to run wild against this defense.

  20. Winny Testaverde Says:

    Bowles truly is delusional. You rarely want to complain about a win but had The Bucs lost yesterday…REAL changes may have begun. Now…if The Riddler ( he’s awful ) and Falcons win next week…maybe some sense of reality will set in.

  21. Jack Clark Says:

    “No. 1 Bucs running back Rachaad White had 10 runs of 2 yards or less against the lowly Panthers.”

    Of course Joe wants to discredit Rachaad White for averaging 4.2 YPC, gaining 84 rushing yards, 106 total yards, and 1 touchdown in a game we won 😂

  22. Alanbucsfan Says:

    The Eagles threw it 45 times vs 18 rushing attempts yesterday and got their ass kicked.
    Really don’t see the point of Arena Football offense is the only way to go.
    There are many factors involved with a winning team.

  23. Bill in Seminole Says:

    An observation: in watching the Chiefs/Packers game last night, the Chiefs’ RB, Isiah Pacheo, keeps his feet moving forward, almost always. Our guy, Rachad White, seems to shuffle his feet without gaining ground. Maybe its the blocking at fault, maybe both blocking and our RB, but we spend a lot of time searching for the right route to run.

  24. Alanbucsfan Says:

    BTW, Mayfield had 15 passes of 0 yards gained and 1 turnover

  25. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Funny how that 30 yard scamper was thanks to the original lane not having a chance to open up before the ball was snapped and White had to go back the other way and the announcers even spoke how one of the TEs sealed the edge which allowed him to get around the edge plus were kind of dl clowning Cajones on tv for not scheming his two best weapons Evans and Godwin open, priceless. Just as Cajones doesn’t know how to scheme receivers open he doesn’t know how to formulate a good blocking scheme nor figure out for himself that running up the gut 10-15 times a game isn’t cutting it because the interior line is too soft and weak and gets beat as soon as the ball is snapped. Really pathetic it’s taking 10 games to see any kind of improvement in their super exciting run game. Glad he doesn’t try any rpos with inch high private eye Baker who runs slower than Brad Johnson and Tom Brady because he’d get wiped out like toilet paper!

  26. Bucsmarley Says:

    Look stop drinking the kool aid. We are not good. Below average qb, defense that refuses to adjust, run game….. what run game. I chuckle inside when I read that our running game is close😂. When baker doesn’t turn the ball over(rarely) he averages 1.5 td and 200 yards passing. And people here (Wyoming Joe) think that is good enough. You are all blinded by the mediocrity and just grasping for straws. I’ll be at the game next week and I’m sure I’ll be disappointed as usual. We barely beat the worst team in the league and we are excited 😂😂. Just one last stat for Wyomings boy baker. He threw for 200 yards and 162 was to Evans ( who ran 70 yards). Not 1 pass to our TE?? Just disgusting. Baker missed a dozen throws that most nfl qbs make. Even he’s checked out sitting by himself on the bench pouting. Time to play Trask to see if just maybe he wasn’t a wasted pick. You need to play him a few games to see. So what if you win your division with another losing record and get blown out in the 1st rnd hopefully a new future coach can evaluate and possibly develop our qb

  27. Popcorn Mike Says:

    Another thing is, Bowles is so into run run run that he’s not looking at QB play. I am not sure weather the Bucs a a better QB coach, another QB, or both. The play at position hasn’t been that good

  28. SufferingSince76 Says:

    Bowles is a delusional idiot.

  29. David Says:

    Toilet Bowl knows he can’t rely on the passing games with an inaccurate qb. Baker completed 48% of his passes yesterday. The bucs would have been blown out if they played against any other team.

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    Titans lost to the Colts in TO yesterday 31-28. Derrick Henry rushed 21 times for 102 yards, a mere 4.9 YPC average. Of those 21 rushes, 10 of them were for 2 yards or less … same as Rachaad. Yup, couple of bums.
    Does anyone aspire to have the Titans’ offense? –Joe

    I think that’s how most RBs get their yards … a number of meh rushes with a few ‘Wow, look at that rabbit go’ runs thrown in that up their average considerably.

  31. unbelievable Says:

    You want to know how bad our run game is?

    During the 3rd quarter- the Bucs had 71 yards of total offense… AFTER Mike Evans scored a 75 yard touchdown.

    Read that again and then let it sink in.

  32. Defense Rules Says:

    Bucsmarley … ‘defense that refuses to adjust’.

    Interesting observation. No question in my mind that Todd Bowles is hard-headed & slow to embrace change, but there was a LOT of adjusting going on yesterday. We started the day with TWO healthy ILBs, and promptly lost 1 of those in the 1st half. So that required passing the leadership role (green dot) to JJ Russell, a guy who’d been on the Practice Squad for most of the year (just called up a week or so prior). Then, oh ya, filling the 2nd ILB slot with Ryan Neal who’d probably never played the position before.

    Of our starting 11, FIVE of them were backups, and 3 of them were rookies. And that’s BEFORE KJ Britt got injured & left the game. The fact that we even won that game is a testament to how poorly Carolina is playing this season. Still though, Bowles would’ve had to do a ton of adjusting just to get 11 defenders on the field.

  33. Mark hardt Says:

    Did any one notice the Bucs played the 49ers closer than the Iggles? And the team formerly known as the Cleveland Rams who won an NFL championship in Cleveland beat the Cleveland Browns?

  34. Buccaneric Says:

    “Chopping”. You can’t make that stuff up.

  35. Tony Marks Says:

    David Says:
    The bucs would have been blown out if they played against any other team.


    What a dumb statement Given we actually HAVE Played 11 other teams and only two teams have beat us by two or more scores.

    and before you try to save yourself by saying you were talking about this game only – remember your entire thesis is that the passing game has been bad all season

    Every other day Traskies show why they are Traskies. The Cult of Kyle requires no IQ test.

  36. Ed Says:

    Todd is very out of touch with the current quality of NFL defenses. He is living in the past and fancies that he has the Hogs blocking for John Riggins or Larry Csonka. Maybe he thinks he Rachad White is the next Earl Campbell.

    That kind of football worked for Don Shula and Joe Gibbs when football players sold out their bodies and offensive linemen were nasty.

    Football players on offense are more protective of their bodies and will lose interest running up the gut when there is no daylight.

    Bowles has an offense of superstars like Evans and Godwin but Baker isn’t polished enough to get the ball out on time. Slow release and bad vision. He is what he is, a rough and ready football player who leaves it all on the field but lacks the talents required to be a better than average quarterback.

    Bucs offense reflects Bowles dreams of thinking he can win games by kicking field goals and running time off the clock. The volume of punting yesterday was sickening.

  37. Eckwood Says:

    White is not a good Runner at all and I’m not sure he can run a 4.8 on the field ……… he’s got a nice cut or two , here or there but it’s a stop cut which makes him play slower and he already plays slow , really slow !!

  38. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    The Eagles beat the Bucs 25-11. That’s 2 scores that they beat the Bucs by.
    The Lions beat the Bucs 20-6. That’s 2 scores that they beat the Bucs by.
    The 49ers beat the Bucs 27-14. That’s 2 scores that they beat the Bucs by.

    All of those teams are good teams, with winning records and who will all make the playoffs. All 3 of them you could reasonably make the case that they could make the NFC Championship Game.

    The same can not be said for the Bucs.

    The Texans are the only other above .500/winning team who the Bucs played well against, but unfortunately lost to.

    If you wager money, when the Bucs face off against an above .500/winning team you would take their opponents and the points as the Bucs have only covered one out of 4 times in games against teams with an above .500 record.

    These facts are why reasonable Bucs fans are not optimistic about the Bucs making the playoffs, or if they make the playoffs that they will just be one and done.

  39. A Bucs Fan Says:

    Saw some stats tonight and the Bucs offense statistically is a carbon copy of last year at this point in the season. It ALMOST made me feel bad for Byron. Bowles = mediocre football. They’ll never win unless Licht drafts pro bowlers with every selection which is impossible.

  40. WiseCrack Says:

    @Tony Marks (seems I am only allowed one post per article. IDK why. this is a response from the last article.) Trust me, I am not Rod. Him and I have been around since day one of JBF.

    Unfortunately, my previous username (CrackWise) was band from JBF and my IP was put in the cooler soon after we signed the Baker. Who was hired based on his resume and not his product. Certainly, you have been out to eat, and the food has sucked. Thats probably over your midget head so I will leave it at that.

    None the less, Rod and I have gone back and forth disagreeing and calling one another toothless Joes. However, this one, he/she and I agree.

    BAKER sucks at making eatable “W’s”!!! At least JW had the excuse of a HISTORICLY BAD D.

    Still he is the only QB to throw for 30 tds 30 ints AND 5,000 yards…. Let that sink in FIVE FREAKING THOUSAND YARDS.

    Kyle should easy fall somewhere between JW and BM.


  41. Bucs'n'Bucks Says:

    Bucsmarley says he’ll be at the game on Sunday. I’m sure he’ll have his Falcons jersey on. Buy unbelievable a beer while the two of you cheer on the Dirty Birds.

    Go away and leave this site for Bucs fans!

  42. Tye Says:

    Keep hearing rumors of Jim Harbaugh to Bears…. UGH!

    A proven WINNER everywhere he goes….
    Bucs need Jim, NOT a shot in the dark, luck of the draw, highly probable BUST at HC for another 3 years…

  43. 1#bucsfan Says:

    Really tired of this we gotta run the ball 💩. We are built for passing. We have to studs WRs prob top 3 duo in a he nfl. Stats won’t show it this year cause they don’t throw the dam ball to CG14. They barely use ME13 at times. Add in stud receiving back RW1 and we could legit have a top 10 offense. Our oline is above average in pass blocking actually they are pretty dam good. The can’t run block to save their lives but they can pass block. Otton gets open Palmer will get better this offense can be elite under the right coaching

  44. Mostly Peaceful Trask Fan Says:

    Joe Trask will be starting for more than 1 game.

    After the Jax game Bucs will be elimination from the playoffs.

  45. NE Fan Says:

    That last run solidified Bowles ground & pound philosophy. To all you Baker boys, he just dropped to #19, chasing the bottom third of the league.

  46. Let ‘em bake Says:

    Getting the most out of a dead cap hell year. All the pundits had this squad dead last, maybe a 3 win team. Is it possible they’re over performing ? To actually be in the conversation this late for division winner is a good thing. Perhaps the 3–1 start gave many ( myself included) a false sense of expectations? This is the youngest team in the nfl. Translation.. growing pains. Perhaps Bowles has been instructed to make this an “extended camp “ season, developing schemes,players, regardless of result. I know many disagree, but give a journeyman qb an average defensive, solid running game, and deep playbook, good things can happen…. Next season. Two years, not two games.

  47. firethecannons Says:

    watching MNF–Troy Aikman is going off on Tanner Hudson–I mean they (Bengals) love that kid–he is a star now! awesome–glad for hime wtf happened we let this kid walk?

  48. Joe Says:

    glad for hime wtf happened we let this kid walk?

    He was a No. 4 TE here and he struggled to catch the ball. Arians was all over his tail for that. A bubble tight end who couldn’t block and struggles to catch is an endangered species.

  49. HC Grover Says:

    Bozo got out blunered

  50. firethecannons Says:

    Thanks Joe, I know I kind of remember he had to compete with OJ Howard and Brate, once Gronk came he was done–anyway glad for him, not unusual for a player that was a Buc to explode someplace else. on and on about how much they love him over in Cincinatti

  51. Fansince76 Says:

    Todd will be running all the way to the unemployment line come end of the season.

  52. Rod Munch Says:

    Some fun facts…

    White has 386 yards receiving, yet he has 451 YAC! How is that even possible? Oh right, it’s Baker dumping off the ball, which helps his stats (the other guy doing the same thing is Carr, where Kamara has more YAC than receiving yards as well – although still behind both numbers compared to White).

    Also, over the last 5 games, White is averaging 4.1 yards per carry. So those who think 4.0 is a magical number that everyone must hit no matter the blocking and scheme, there you go.

    Finally, White is on pace for 911 rushing and 547 receiving, or 1458 total yards, along with 8 TDs. That’s a very productive RB for those that don’t know.

  53. HC Grover Says:

    Chop Chop Choppin on GHeavens door

  54. Conner50 Says:

    Can’t wait till Bowles is fired and we get Jim Harbough

  55. HC Grover Says:

    Together, morore or less in line
    Just keep Choppin’ on

  56. Bucs Fan since 2000 Says:

    WHY CAN’T THE BUCS WEAR THEIR “RED” and “PEWTER” uniforms when they are at HOME???? I hope BUCS OWNERS read this comment. YOU HAVE ONE OF THE BEST “HOME” “RED” and PEWTER UNIFORMS, if not the BEST in the NFL and still CHOOSE NOT to wear RED and PEWTER when playing at HOME???? WHY????

  57. Falconrap Says:

    Well Tony, I tried to reply to you in the other thread on Baker, but it kept failing, though part came in, but the point to make about how Baker shouldn’t be starting, as you keep on with the “Trask cult” crap.

    Baker is at the bottom of the league in deep ball accuracy, yards per attempt and yards per reception. Pretty much two of the most telling stats of a QB’s play. He’s also at 51.9 in QBR which places him 19th and in mediocre land. He’s 18th in PAA at a bad 4.9 points (top 4 are in the 30’s and higher), and he’s 17th in EPA at 47.4 (top 4 QB’s are in the 70’s and up). He’s not the answer. Us “Trask cultists” only want to see if Trask can be the answer or not before we run out of time and need to draft another QB.

  58. David Says:

    The Bucs should have lost more games with two scores or more. Why ? Toilet Bowl with his son, Baker scored mostly in garbage time to keep those games closer than they should have been. Bucs were out most of the losing games by the half times by the offense scoring single digits or 10 points the most.

  59. NJbucs23 Says:

    Man. Josh allen should be a Bucs. Wanted that dude so bad in 2019

  60. RGA Says:

    How can the Bucs get Mayfield off the field? I know Trask can’t be worse, and I’ll hedge to bet he will perform better. He certainly can’t do much worse.

  61. Let ‘em bake Says:

    Well, Bucs just got an unfortunate break. Lawrence torn acl. Done.

  62. SIGAR SITY Says:

    Can we please get coach TODD TOILET BOWLES OUT OF HERE!!!!

  63. Dave Pear Says:

    Todd can’t take feedback or criticism. He’s so sure he’s a genius, he keeps using the brain surgery tool in Neanderthals.

  64. Dew Says:

    Trevor hurt. Could be serious.

  65. Dave Pear Says:

    Todd. Successful in the next world. Not in this world.

  66. RGA Says:

    The Bucs don’t have a stellar running game so we have to rely on a competent Quarterback, Mayfield is not getting it done and we all certainly hope he will. It’s not gonna happening. He’s not up to the task. The Bucs need to bench him and see if Trask can make a difference. We are beating a dead horse with Mayfield.

  67. RGA Says:

    After this season I believe Mayfield will never again be a starter in the NFL.

  68. beeej Says:

    “Bucsmarley Says:
    December 4th, 2023 at 6:17 pm
    Look stop drinking the kool aid. We are not good. Below average qb, defense that refuses to adjust, run game….. what run game. I chuckle inside when I read that our running game is close😂. When baker doesn’t turn the ball over(rarely) he averages 1.5 td and 200 yards passing”

    Look at $4 million Baker stats, THEN look at $50 million Mahomes stats, or $44 million Stafford stats

  69. It's Corn Says:

    Is why Bowles needs to be fired. Dumbest coaches in the league.

  70. Bucsmarley Says:

    Bucs n bucks
    Obviously don’t pay attention to comments you read. Yes I’ll be at the game. You probably not and question my attire. ( not that it’s your business but I’ll be wearing my salmon jersey and my wife her Evans jersey. Look for me. Been a fan since year 1. If you saw something in my post that says I’m not a fan your illiterate. I simply told facts. Obviously you’re a keyboard warrior that gets huffed up when you see the truth or an opinion you disagree with. And btw probably been on this site before you also so please go praise baker and let us true loyal fans that aren’t afraid to speak out about us not being a good football team

  71. Let ‘em bake Says:

    They posted acl, then quickly took it down. Now saying ankle. We’ll see…..

  72. Dave Pear Says:

    “We gotta just keep pounding the rock.”

    — Rod Marinelli, 2008 Detroit Lions. 4-0 preseason. 0-16 regular season.

    Todd could take the Bucs to oh-fer if he is retained.

  73. NE Fan Says:

    RGA@ you could be right, Brady never started again.

  74. Jeremy Says:

    Maybe all we need is a good running back. That would solve problems and then the entire team doesn’t have to learn a new system. Bowles has been a dumbass a lot and Canales calls plays like we have Marshon Lynch in the back field

  75. Pewter power Says:

    Vincent Jackson! Then Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans then Mike Evans and DeSean Jackson now Mike Evans and Chris Goodwin. This team invests in receivers and are good at it.

    They don’t value the running back so why such an emphasis on running the ball when you suck at it? It’s the defensive dinosaur lovie com clone! Can’t wait for black Monday Bowles I can’t say I’ll miss you.

  76. Buchead Says:

    Keep choppin away is vague loser talk. Why don’t we hear every Bucs coach talking about “explosive plays”? Today’s NFL fans don’t want to watch choppin – they want to see explosive plays and if you don’t coach it, then it won’t happen. That’s why we suck under this regime. Next.

  77. admin Says:

    Keep choppin away is vague loser talk. Why don’t we hear every Bucs coach talking about “explosive plays”?

    Read Joe’s article from earlier today on the offense and it’s goal set by the team’s coach. Bowles doesn’t want explosive plays unless it’s his defense getting a turnover.