Rotation Explanation

November 20th, 2023

Rookie Bucs edge rusher YaYa Diaby.

Yeah, the fact Yaya Diaby got pulled for over a quarter in what was then a tight game yesterday still sticks in Joe’s craw.

(“Not craw, CRAW!”)

No, it is not like Diaby is the next Jason Pierre-Paul, at least not yet. But man, when a guy already showed he could muscle through a physical 49ers offensive line for a sack, why take him off the field?

Here was Bucs coach Todd Bowles’ response to Joe’s question about why Diaby was off the field and if Bowles did not have confidence in him.

“We rotate all of our guys, so we have confidence in whoever is in there in the second half,” Bowles said. “In the first half, we slotted a number of plays for guys to get and he didn’t have to be in the game.

“We were confident in the other guys. We just have to make plays.”

Oh, Joe fully agrees with Bowles in that others needed to make plays. He’s right about that.

Joe just doesn’t understand the need to pull a guy who actually did make a play when the Bucs were still in striking distance of the 49ers.

And yes, when Diaby went back in during the fourth quarter, he made another play. So that didn’t exactly boost Bowles’ rotation explanation.

It’s a good thing Bowles has confidence in Joe Tryon-Shoyinka, who played 34 snaps to Diaby’s 21. About now, Joe doesn’t know who else does.

50 Responses to “Rotation Explanation”

  1. Jerseybuc Says:

    Few more weeks radio will be gone.

  2. Truth5 Says:

    Amen. Jersey Buc. Just hang in there Bucs fans and Joes. He won’t make it to the end of the season, just watch.

  3. Buc4evr Says:

    Because Bowles is an idiot who just makes dumb excuses. The next JPP is still playing…for another team. We could have kept JPP as he is still better than JTS will ever be. Both JTS and Hall are massive failures, but no one on the Bucs will admit it. It’s OK however as Bowles will be gone in 7 games.

  4. Buccos Says:

    Well this team is now battle hardened. We have played the 3 best teams in the NFC. If we go on a run now we can still make the playoffs by winning our division. San Fran didn’t blow us out this time. We showed that we can compete. Mayfield did a heck of a lot better than Brady did last year. Bowles still has time to save our season and his job but he had better get to work. Our schedule is much easier from here on out

  5. Popcorn Mike Says:

    I am with you Joe. I just don’t understand Bowles strategies. You don’t throw to your top 2 receivers, you don’t leave your top defensive player at this time in the game. I really think, even if Bowles go 5 and 2 the rest of the season he will still be replaced. I’ve never coached but, it seems that Bowles coaching style is very chaotic with no rewards such as WINS

  6. ModHairKen Says:

    Popcorn Mike, no need to worry about 5-2. Probably 2-5. But that might be ambitious.

    Bowles is gone. Gone. Gone. Pathetic explanation of bad player management ina bad loss.

  7. SufferingSince76 Says:

    It’s our rotation. We can’t possibly change that. Bowles’ version of ‘we do what we do’.

  8. Usfbuc Says:

    Not making excuses for Bowles here and we should play Yaya more so he can develop but if you look at a per snap performance Yaya and JTS right now are the same player. If they had the same number of snaps Yaya would have the same number of sacks as JTS, same number of QB hits, his pressure rate would be statistically the same though technically lower than JTS.

  9. WillieG Says:

    If anything is set in stone like the “rotation” allegedly is, Bowles should be fired. Everything should be considered for in-game adjustment when you’re losing.

  10. Fishhawkbuc Says:

    Bowles would “rotate out” Lawrence Taylor if he were on the roster.

  11. Beeej Says:

    JTS DOES have 3 sacks, but I don’t think any of them were a result of him out-blocking an opposing lineman

  12. Hodad Says:

    Three sacks for a starting D end 10 games into the season is horrible. Bad players, very bad coaching, bad management. Licht paid top dollar to Dean, and Davis, for what? Russell Gage anyone? We need a new coach, and we need a new set of eyes on our roster now, and going forward. I’ve had enough of Licht.

  13. BucU Says:

    Get rid of this ENTIRE coaching staff and get rid of the dead weight on the roster for 24. Clown organization.

  14. adam from ny Says:

    yaya is like a fast moving heavy rock out there…

    gotta love it…

    get him to be a primary snap guy and let jts rotate and take naps on the sidelines

  15. Allen Lofton Says:

    I’d be surprised if the Glazers don’t pull the plug on Bowles by the end of the season.

  16. mg Says:

    owners should have canned this dope of a coach at the half of the rams game a few years ago

  17. AMI_Chris Says:

    Love the “Get Smart” reference…

  18. Deadwood South Dakota Says:

    Worst coaching and the press never call him out. Listen to the press conference.. I have so many questions that should be asked but joe and his buddies can’t seem to even ask one.. it’s like a crickets in that room.. Come on joe.. I am sure we could help u with questions..
    Here is one
    Y is dean constantly getting burned bad.. what kind of coaching is he not getting? do u you are not getting through to him or u are failing..
    Come on joe can u call ur buddy Todd out?
    We will be listening

  19. HC Grover Says:

    The man is a blithering idiot. Fire him today.

  20. Gofortheface30 Says:

    I also love how Joe Tryon gets absolutely beaten so badly to the edge by Brock Purdy. In fact I have never seen him chase down anyone. His one redeemable quality was supposed to be his speed and athleticism. I never saw it. He runs like a baby giraffe all gangly and unnatural. I’ve never seen him set the edge either. So he’s slow AND weak. He is quite literally good for nothing. Classic case of giving a first round pick every opportunity because coaches and management don’t want to look stupid on an obvious swing and a miss

  21. SlyPirate Says:


    He created a gameplan and just blindly stuck to the script. He didn’t watch and pay attention to what was actually happening in the game. Sad.

  22. realistic-optimistic Says:

    So Bowles is finally admitting what the fans already know; in-game adjustments don’t exist in Tampa. Another word for this is ‘Stubborn.’

    Yet another word for this is ‘Fireable.’

  23. Larrd Says:

    I can recall zyon getting zero defensive snaps in the only game both overpaid corners were healthy, about a month ago. Inconsistent!

  24. Larrd Says:

    Hall has been billed as the next Gholston. Folks complained about Gholston quite a lot in his early years. No sacks or big plays.

  25. TampaBayBucsFanSince1976 Says:

    Thanks for calling out the utter intransigence , obstinacy , and pigheadedness of our coach. Keep doing that-PLEASE.

  26. rrsrq Says:

    I believe Bowles knows how to coach and scheme a defense, he has done it plenty of times, where he struggles is people pleasing, the bottom line is he does not want to hurt feelings on his defense. So what if JTS is a first round pick, so what if you signed Greg Gaines, so what… play the players that make plays, no need for a real rotation if you get three and outs. This goes back to “sneak vaughn” getting playing time and last year with Leonard Fournette having to get a certain amount of carries, this goes back to AB getting all those targets to get a bonus. Reward guys that make plays. This goes with sticking with Rachaad White and not bringing in competition in the backfield during the draft/free agency. Why I liked Dungy, he knew who his stars were, but was not afraid to bring in competition.

  27. Upstate NY BUC Says:

    All I have to say is Devin White, needs to watch film how a real Linebacker plays and gives effort!!!!Fred Warner!!!! White sucks!!! I’ll say it… terrible

  28. Architek Says:

    I love how HCs get into this spiral and they are too stubborn to pull themselves out of it with pride.

    We all need to hope and pray the Bucs lose or fail enough not to keep this crap show around for more years of mediocrity.

    The whole staff has become a clown car.

  29. Derobbins Says:

    Ugh. All these “we can still make the playoffs” comments.

    Why do want to make the playoffs to lose the first round, embarrassingly.

    All to just get a worse draft pick. We should have traded Mike Evans before the trade deadline LAST YEAR.

  30. gotbbucs Says:

    Bucs get lucky and draft a good player in the mid rounds and then refuse to let him play. Sounds about right. Diaby was the one player I was clamoring for in this draft and we actually got him, and now this dunderhead won’t leave him on the field because of a misguided philosophy that they cooked up during the week.
    Diaby would have matched JTS season long sack production in one game if he were left on the field. Diaby doesn’t know why he isn’t playing more. The position coaches don’t know why the young guys aren’t playing more.

    It wouldn’t have made a difference in winning or losing this game, but it makes a difference in the long term health of the roster.

  31. realistic-optimistic Says:

    This sh** reminds me of Koetter pig-headedly refusing to fire Mike Smith when 2-year olds could see he was a problem.

  32. HC Grover Says:

    I agree with firing the entire staff. Should of done it this year. That is on the Glazer clan. The pre season call was 6.5 wins. We could win 2 more and one tie to hit it. A great Bowzo tie would be v the Panters. As close as it could get.

  33. Conner50 Says:

    Hope Bowles and canales are gone next season. Along with Devin White,C.Davis,Ryan Neal,Vaughn,JTS, and maybe even Barrett if we can get a pick or something for him

  34. realistic-optimistic Says:

    I can see it now. Bucs-Panthers tie 3-3. Bowles is all smiles. Thinks JTS and White had great games.

  35. HC Grover Says:

    A new coaching staff and GM clean house. The 1 Buc Swamp is stinking it up. Trade off the vets for as many picks as possible and hit the reset button. Look at the Texans and Lions they hit with good new coach talent. Fish too. They are heading up while we are sinking on the rocks.

  36. HC Grover Says:

    The Texan coach and new QB are awesome. On prime they showed him leading a War Dance with all the players in the locker room.

  37. adam from ny Says:

    realistic-optimistic Says:

    November 20th, 2023 at 9:01 am

    I can see it now. Bucs-Panthers tie 3-3. Bowles is all smiles. Thinks JTS and White had great games.


    so funny…this made me laugh

  38. teacherman777 Says:

    You guys are crazy.

    We just hung with a Super Bowl contender.

    We played solid football.

    13-7 at halftime was great.

    We made some magic in the 4th quarter.

    We just made a few big mistakes.

    But overall, I am very impressed after that game.

    We honestly had a chance to win.

  39. fishhawkbuc Says:

    Todd Bowles Head Coaching Record (Nuff Said):
    35-53-0 across six seasons including going 0-1-0 in the playoffs.

  40. Bosch Says:

    The festering stinking Bowel Movement needs to be flushed. It stinks as. HC and it stinks as a DC. 2 poor coaches in 1!

  41. Defense Rules Says:

    Upstate NY BUC … ‘All I have to say is Devin White, needs to watch film how a real Linebacker plays and gives effort!!!!Fred Warner!!!! White sucks!!! I’ll say it… terrible.’

    Loved watching Fred Warner play yesterday; he was on fire. A one-man wrecking crew for literally the whole game (12 tackles, 10 solo, plus 1 FF, 2 PD & half a sack). THAT’S impact.

    Compare that to Devin White playing essentially the same position: 3 tackles (2 solo) … that’s it. Got caught out of position far too many times (needs to do a better job of protecting the short middle of the field on runs AND passes).

    Or compare it to Lavonte David: 7 tackles (all solo), 3 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 QB Hit. THAT’S pretty good impact too.

    The most interesting stats on the day though belonged to Ya Ya Diaby: in only 21 def snaps he got 4 tackles (all solo), 3 TFLs, 2 sacks & 2 QB Hits. THAT’S outstanding productivity.

    Antoine Winfield Jr also showed why he’s a ‘must re-sign’: 16 tackles (9 of them solo). He was all over the field.

  42. 1#bucsfan Says:

    Bowles is deff making some head scratching decisions on defense when that’s supposed to be his area of strength but some of y’all are bellyaching about the offense like bowels is calling plays. I highly dought he’s telling canales not to throw it to ME13 n CG14 but then again maybe he is. Who knows.

  43. Swanee22 Says:

    Hey Teacherman777 – The Bucs had absolutely Zero chance of winning. Every 49ers player would have had to lay down on field to have a realistic chance. Secondly, Bucs lost. Nothing else matters, but winning. Playing “Solid” is not winning….. 6-11 record is realistic, let’s stay within ourselves. Continue to spend Sundays watching a meaningless Bucs team that will have a tremendous amount of loses. This is reality.

  44. crasey Says:

    Translation: We trust the scheme more than player performance. Nuts!

  45. unbelievable Says:

    Stubborn and Clueless: The Todd Bowles Method

    7 more games til we rid ourselves of this chitshow

  46. unbelievable Says:

    @Swanee – The Bucs had a perfect TD passed dropped in the end zone and mother that should have been PI against Jarret. That’s 28-27 Bucs if those go our way, so to say they had no chance is asinine.

    The problem is we got boat races in the 3rd quarter. Going from 13-7 to 27-7 in about 12 minutes. Thanks defense.

  47. unbelievable Says:

    Damn autocorrect

    *TD pass dropped in the end zone and another
    * boat raced

  48. firethecannons Says:

    Yaya is a giant hugely built guy that is just getting started! he reminds me of JPP, he just isn’t as crazy yet as JPP was.

  49. Duane in Sanford Says:

    We have 4-3 personnel, and Bowles wants to be cute by playing a 3-4.

  50. Capt.Tim Says:

    Really like YaYa.
    Only good Dlineman Licht has drafted since Vita Vea.
    And thats a problem