“Kyle Trask Stinks”

June 21st, 2023

This got Joe to put down the Bromosa and hit rewind because it came from a former Bucs quarterback, a respected voice who does not miss Bucs games and spent years coaching the QB position in college.

In a discussion this week on VSiN PrimeTime, host Shaun King was talking about his beloved Bucs during a deep dive into the most interesting/intriguing NFL teams of 2023.

The Bucs checked in at No. 9, and King talked about how the Bucs bewilder him as he gathers information regularly to figure out why respected Vegas oddsmakers think Tampa Bay is a hot garbage club in a bad division.

“Still in research mode with Tampa. I’ve got boots in the ground there in Tampa; every practice, I’m getting reports,” King said. “Because I think if what I think is true, there’s tremendous [betting] value with Tampa. But I’m also trying to really get a grasp on why this win total is as low as it is [at] 6 1/2, specifically because of the division the Bucs are in. The NFC South is, let’s be fair, the worst division in the NFC this year.”

King is a big fan of running back Rachaad White, Carlton Davis and others, and King recited the many big-name talents on the Bucs’ roster. He admitted to thinking oddsmakers would have installed the Bucs as the NFC South betting favorite with a win-total line at 9. But that didn’t happen.

Still, King says he can’t endorse the Bucs yet as a slam dunk “over” wager at 6 1/2 wins. He’s trying to figure out what Vegas is or isn’t seeing.

Crystal clear to King, however, is that there is no quarterback competition in Tampa.

Joe was most intrigued by that because King said he’s getting those daily reports from the practice happenings at One Buc Palace.

“Kyle Trask stinks,” King lectured to his VSiN co-host.

“Listen, if Kyle Trask had done anything in practice during his two years backing up Tom Brady, Tampa doesn’t go out and sign Baker Mayfield. He’d have had to have been terrible in practice. Because when you draft a quarterback second round, you want to be right. Jason Licht wants that pick to pan out.”

The Bucs wanted Trask to deliver a Tom Brady-Jimmy Garoppolo handoff like was planned in New England years ago, King said, but it did not materialize for Tampa Bay.

King also went on to repeat what he said years ago: Trask was a bad draft pick.

Joe has great respect for King’s evaluations and has made that clear on these pages for at least a dozen years. So Joe felt a little badly for Trask upon hearing King say Trask “stinks.”

King thinks the Bucs are primed to be a winning team if Mayfield can just play decent football: “If Baker Mayfield is just average, why not?”

As for the “over” wager, Joe likes the Bucs. Every NFC South team won at least seven games last year. That’s a low bar for the Bucs’ talent level.

75 Responses to ““Kyle Trask Stinks””

  1. Buc4evr Says:

    Joe has watched Trask in practice this year, King has not. How did he look?

    To be truthful, the Bucs should have signed Ryan or even Wentz if Traskfield looks that bad?

  2. Tucker Says:

    Joe has spoken many times about what he saw from Kyle from practices most the time it wasn’t good.

  3. SteveK Says:


    Was King a big Jameis and Freeman guy? If so, I take his opinion slightly more than a grain or two of salt.

    Also, $4m is backup money. I don’t care who we signed, it needed to be affordable. And I’d rather take a chance on baker for $4m then paying Gabbert double?

  4. SteveK Says:

    Trask is going to surprise some people. He’s going to be a solid pro. I am looking forward to seeing him get a chance and to see what 2 years of development looks like. May the best man win, go Bucs!

  5. SteveK Says:


    Not going to post the link, but have you read this one from Florio on King,

    “ Shaun King doubles down in his crusade against Peyton Manning”

    So, without reading the article, I’d say Trask is in good company to be doubted like Peyton.

  6. Rusty Phillips Says:

    Shaun King saying ANYBODY stinks is the biggest laugh I’ve had today. Thanks.

  7. kaimaru69 Says:


    That’s not this Shaun King if you even read the first article that shows up on Google

  8. kaimaru69 Says:

    These Trask defenders are too much

  9. catcard202 Says:

    Sometimes the best laid plans do not work out…Maybe that’s the case with Trask.

    But I do tend to agree with Kings take…In the context that if Traskcan had showed anything worthy of a TB12 handoff in 2yrs, Baker is not targeted in FA to be in Tampa.

    The FO would not have grabbed an Aphla off the street, unless they knew they had a Beta in clubhouse.

  10. SOEbuc Says:

    BOOM. That is the best sought ought reason of what I feel about Trask. Of course Baker will start for the media.

  11. Tony Says:

    I didn’t want Trask coming out either. How many QBs have actually made it out of Florida? Like none. Same with Ohio St, USC, Michigan & Alabama. Those schools have been around forever & the only ones thatt came out of there that actually did something were Palmer, Brady, Starr, Namath & Theismann. Right now it still depends on Tua & Jones along with Fields, too!

  12. Dom>Licht Says:

    If Trask sucks that bad that Licht has wasted another high pick…..

  13. Mike Says:

    Man, Shaun “Burger” King has no foot to stand on for sure in terms of QB play. He should abstain from judgement with regard to QB play.

  14. Hodad Says:

    We’re finally going to see him get meaningful snaps in camp, and preseason. We can than make an informed opinion. It’s such a stupid take saying why did they sign Baker if Trask was the guy. Maybe it was because he was the only guy. Why did the Chiefs sign Gabbert when they have Mahomes? Same reason, a team needs more than one QB. I’ll wait till I actually see him play before we say he stinks.

  15. Dom>Licht Says:

    Instead of saying Trask sucks HOW about harping on the GM that picked him??? If YA’LL including King new He was such a bad pick put your hate toward the dude that drafted him ……OL DL LB WR should have been the pick

  16. Danny Husak Says:

    I like what Hodad said. It applies here. Better take a look at Baker before you say he stinks. Just seems no one down there has ever seen the 2019-2020 Baker.

  17. Voice of Truth Says:

    Shaun is very familiar with second round qb’s that stink

    In case u r a newbie – we wasted that same pick on him..

    Dude could barely complete a pass – looks like he was just winging it – those offenses were almost as bad as last year’s was

    Dunn and the ATrain carried him – actually dragged him along

  18. Bucnjim Says:

    I’m pretty sure King is getting his info from the players themselves. I highly doubt he’s out there scouting. This is the same I’ve heard from several players no longer with the Bucs. Won’t say why they just shake their heads no way. Mayfield may not be the answer but from what I’ve heard it’s all in on him.

  19. David Crum Says:

    Not news. Anyone with common sense knows this by now. I was on board with the Trask pick but 2 years later and he hasn’t even progressed enough to be active on a game day roster, let alone be the back up.
    When we have seen him in preseason, he is wildly inconsistent, doesn’t know how to scan the field, panics under pressure…
    They hung onto him for one reason, he’s cheap.

    It is real simple, next year they will go all in to draft a quarterback and if they keep Baker, its as a veteran back up. Trask will be gone.

  20. Brian Hand Says:

    I think they should have kept Gabbert he showed some flash when he played

  21. Brian Hand Says:

    I think they should have kept Gabbert he showed some flash when he played??

  22. SteveK Says:


    Wrong Shaun king, my bad. Thanks for correcting me!

  23. Duane Says:

    Unfortunately for Trask, there are too many unknowns, and the team is not in a position to mess around and find out. If the team starts slowly, you better believe we will find out what life with Trask is about. Still dont think quarterback is the difference maker one way or another this season.

  24. Voice of Truth Says:

    Shaun should know, he was a wasted 2nd round pick

  25. 1#bucsfan Says:

    My only question is actually how could trask have showed anything in practice with Brady and gabbert in front of him. BA n Bowles wanted veterans backing up TB12 not a rookie or 2nd year player. Gabbert played for BA a knew his system. Clear it was a win now mode as we all know. Sorry king not agreeing until I see trask play with the 1st team in a meaningful game to make an observation of trask. Dude did great with lesser talent at Florida. Deff worth seeing what he can do with weapons proven weapons like ME13 CG14 n CO

  26. Bucnjim Says:

    All QBs in practice throw to every single WR, TE, and RB. It’s very seldom 11 on 11 or even 7 on 7. Yes, when the ACTUAL scrimmage is taking place they separate into the First, second, and third string. Most of it between QB and WR is just running routes.

  27. Bucnjim Says:

    So for several years, Trash HAS been throwing to Evans, Godwin, and everyone else on the roster.

  28. JD Still Says:

    Yeah , Kyle stinks sooooo bad , when Brady quit , I mean officially , and the Bucs had the opportunity to clean house , who did they show the door ? It wasn’t Kyle , it was Blaine Gabbert , Brady’s back up and number two, gone, now why in the world if Kyle was so bad did Gabbert get fired and they let Kyle stay? ( Gabbert got picked up by Kansas City by the way , so I guess it wasn’t because he was washed up), Hmmmm? I do believe there might be some anti-Trask rumors being spread, So yes , King is only repeating what he has been told about Kyle ,( from somebody , somewhere), not what he has seen himself, it might be a good idea for him to watch Kyle play before he passes judgement.

  29. Thisisouryear!! Says:

    I have no idea how he looks other than Joes report. I think if he’s really that bad they’ll consider signing Wentz. If I’m Bowles, I want to do whatever it takes to win. Wentz vs Mayfield???

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    Just a thought … Why don’t we let this think play out as the competition that both Bowles & Canales say it is, THEN argue about who’s the better of the two?

    Titles like ‘Kyle Trask Stinks’ are rather sorry attempts to poison the well IMO.

  31. Bee Says:

    The only QB on the roster was Trask. Even if he was a practice savant the past 2 years and was dotting it up all over the field. If we didn’t sign half baked who would backup Trask. They had to sign someone else. The only guy we could afford was a journeyman QB

  32. Joe Says:

    Joe has watched Trask in practice this year, King has not. How did he look?

    Better than last year, but not good enough (yet).

  33. Thisisouryear!! Says:

    If it were me, I’d resign Hicks. If he can stay healthy he’s a force and he’s open up some salary cap. Plus Bowles and Canales know if Trask is trash. If that’s the case sign Wentz as well. I’m guessing they’re going over position by position to see how they can make the team better.

  34. Bucnjim Says:

    Trask not Trash sorry spellcheck. Don’t consider any Bucs player trash

  35. FrontFour Says:

    Think I’m going to wait and see for myself.

  36. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Just how deeply ‘in the ground’ are those boots?
    I suspect this ‘opinion’ is respected because it supports the assumptions of the writer.
    And I doubt King’s sources are as sound as he wants people to believe…
    Harsh and incorrect. First, Joe referenced respect for Shaun King’s Bucs takes going back many, many years here on this site. Second, Joe knows King has strong relationships at One Buc Palace and isn’t one to make stuff up. Doesn’t mean he’s correct, but Joe knows that St. Pete-native King isn’t a blowhard and Joe knows King loves the Bucs and their fans deeply. –Joe

    …but regardless, Baker will be handed the starting role, at beast win 40% of his games…and will be pulled around the 6 game mark.

    That’s when we find out if Trask is good or bad.

  37. Buccos Says:

    If Trask was so bad why did he dominate the SEC and even light up Alabama? Man I wish I stunk that bad. Did Shaun King ever dominate in college at a high level. I remember he had really small hands and couldn’t hold on to the football. King was a terrible draft pick for the Bucs. If they had picked a better QB we would have 3 Lombardi’s

  38. Craig Says:

    It looked to me like Trask is picking up Canales offense pretty well. It is a lot different than anything he has seen before, so he will need time.

    Baker seems to be doing Baker things, getting happy feet, and using a low release.

    I hope King is man enough to eat his words in a few months. I’ll lend him some salt if it will help.

  39. K_bassuka Says:

    King talks about Maybefield as if he wasn’t hot garbage himself. There’s a reason why Barker can’t keep a job lately and has bust written all over him.

  40. Joey Lacey Sr Says:

    If Mayfield fails bucs will move on from Mayfield n Trask. I never like Trask pick. If Trask was any gd then Mayfield wouldn’t bn brought let’s be real guys. Trask not tht guy. Played behind the best ever n hasn’t improve much. Caleb Williams Drake Maye or Pienix on deck next years draft

  41. View from 132 Says:

    That take is missing logic. Even if Trask was a lock #1, you don’t go into the season with 1 QB. You find an experienced backup at a value… you find a Baker Mayfield.

    Trask may or may not be any good, but saying he sucks because an NFL team added a 2nd QB is stupid. Does Mahomes suck because Gabbert signed there?

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    King IS a blowhard Joe. No need to correct Bonzai.

    Good Lawd we’ve both been here on JBF for over 10 yrs now.

    King’s a blowhard!

    Go Trask!

  43. BillyBucco Says:

    Wanna know who has won 2 playoff games?
    Brock Purdy. Mr Irrelevant.
    Basically 2 season ending injuries to QBs and he got his shot.
    He wasn’t even the backup for a reason.
    Look at what happened when he got his chance.
    Now the 49ers are saying he is the starter even with a healthy Trey Lance.
    My how quick things change.
    You must think the 49ers suck at evaluating QBs too.
    NOBODY has seen Trask play yet.
    You think Shaun King is talking to players?
    Get real.
    He knows nothing except an educated guess, which is all anybody can do right now.

  44. Jeffrey Becker Says:

    it was a HORRIBLE draft pick that might have cost us the super bowl. no idea what Licht was thinking going future QB there made no sense. didn’t he even trade up to do it? that being said, Trask’s gotta have something worthwhile in there somewhere because he was a monster against good SEC defenses. not enough to beat out baker with ease, or even ever maybe, but he doesn’t straight up suck. King was great at one thing, limiting mistakes. he almost sucked himself.

  45. Jeffrey Becker Says:


  46. AtlBuc Says:

    Its amazing to me that Jason Licht, BA Tom Chambers and Canales are so inept at evaluating QB talent and wanted to keep Trask around and give him a shot of being the starting QB. They could have drafted a QB or signed a legit starting QB but elected to bring in Mayfield as a backup.

  47. Buc4evr Says:

    At this point just sign Wentz or Ryan as a decent veteran backup if everything goes south. Seems like a lot of risk to take on the whole season with either Trask or Mayfield and no plan B.

  48. garro Says:

    Hate to tell you this Joe but King has turned to the dark side.
    Used to be with you on King and I still respect what he managed to do here as a QB.
    But lately he is just looking to make a name for himself in sports “jouranlism” and has gone with the just say anything to get those clcks crowd.

    Go Bucs!

  49. 1sparkybuc Says:

    King sucked as a player, and sucks as a fan. Why sabotage the team and a player at this stage of the season? Who does it it benefit to put doubts into the minds of Trask and the people who might count on him soon?

  50. Steelers fan Says:

    The people who say Trask stinks now will say they didnt say it in the future. 100

    They will say they are right when Mayfield ‘wins’ the starting job. But at the very longest Trask will be the starter after the Bye week.

    Who laughs last laughs best!

  51. Steelers fan Says:

    Trask is a grinder and Trask is a GAMEDAY QB not a practice bs QB. Turn the lights on a F around and find out what Trask is about!

  52. shankasorous Says:

    SHAUN KING: “Kyle Trask stinks.”

    If so, then …

    Why is Trask still on the Bucs?

    With Trask the only quarterback on the roster, why did the Bucs pass on Will Levis and Hendon Hooker in the first round of the draft?

    With Trask the only quarterback on the roster, why did the Bucs pass on Hendon Hooker again in the second round of the draft?

    With Trask the only quarterback on the roster, why did the Bucs not draft ANY quarterback in ANY round of the draft?

    SHAUN KING: “If Kyle Trask had done anything in practice during his two years backing up Tom Brady, Tampa doesn’t go out and sign Baker Mayfield.”

    You mean NFL rosters carry only one quarterback? LMAO. You mean Patrick Mahomes stinks because the Chiefs went out and signed Blaine Gabbert? LMAO.

    King was a bitter failure at quarterback, and sounds like it.

    By the way, Joe, King did not “spend years coaching the QB position in college”. He coached the QB position one (1) season at USF and was promptly “promoted” to running backs coach. 🙂

  53. Costa Rica John Says:

    Until we see Trask play in real games we will never know if he’s good or bad.
    Kings just giving an opinion. Let him tell us which stocks he likes and we can see how those do too.

  54. Mike Kelley Says:

    FSU alum writer will go to any length to get Trask our of Tampa. They are like politicians lie cheat steal whatever it takes they will print it. Hopefully the Bucs will let Trask move on to one of the other teams interested in him, because so far he is still being limited to second team practices and that will never work.

  55. Jeff’s grandpa Says:

    The gator fan bois are upset this morning

  56. Hodad Says:

    Well we know he wasn’t talking to Dean who said, it’s a good QB competition going on, and both QB’s are doing well. I really have a hard time believing any current Buc player would say such a thing about a teammate.

  57. Letsbucinggo Says:

    Coming from a player with a whopping 7 year nfl career.

  58. Joe in Michigan Says:

    shankasorous Says:
    June 22nd, 2023 at 6:21 am
    King was a bitter failure at quarterback, and sounds like it.
    King started 21 games at QB in his first 2 years as a pro, which is 21 more than Trask.

  59. SomeDudeAtWork Says:

    Wow This Shaun King guy is such a tremendous supporter of the Bucs that he says one of the QBs on the squad stinks.

    That’s a clown move.

    We haven’t seen Trask on the field yet outside of preseason, which last year certainly didn’t look like he “stinks”.

  60. SomeDudeAtWork Says:

    Joe in Michigan Tom Brady wasn’t on those teams. Come on bro.

  61. shankasorous Says:

    Joe in Michigan Says: “King started 21 games at QB in his first 2 years as a pro, which is 21 more than Trask.”

    And he beat out Tom Brady to do it too. BWAHAHAHAHA.

  62. bucsfaninOregon Says:

    Gator homers are all over this thread today. Sorry guys, any bets on who will start at QB? Early odds would be 3-1 Baker ahead of the Homer Favorite.

  63. SteveK Says:

    Just a Bucs homer.

    I also laugh at people doubting Trask. He’s an unknown. We will see! Hoping for the best.

    The homers for the JW apologists and the Freemanites. That was painful, bc fans put a player before the team. Tom Brady was the only exception to the rule and we all saw how well it played out.

    Go Bucs!

  64. SlyPirate Says:


    Either Mayfield succeeds or the Bucs will have a new starter next year. I think (hope) they’ll opt for a vet instead of a draft pick. They have a bad track record with rookies.
    I see Trask as a career backup. (BTW, best job in the NFL.)

  65. BA’s Red Pen Says:

    The occult Trask does not approve of this message.

  66. Oneilbuc Says:

    Most of yall will be saying the same thing with the next quarterback the bucs draft watch and see lol 🤣🤣!! And just know when they do draft a quarterback next year that will be a wasted season.

  67. Red86 Says:

    Keep in mind this is Trask first time playing with first team talents. It’s a process.

  68. EEK Says:

    Painful to read but makes a lot of sense what King says

    Baker can at least be a starter and have a heroic game here and there — hopefully when there is still something meaningful to win for

  69. Drunkinybor Says:

    Is Shaun still rotund? That man can eat I’ll tell you that. That being said I’m being childish about his appearance. I do respect his opinions and his right on Trask not looking good in practice because we never would have signed Mayfield. That being said. I think Trask is a gamer I think when he gets his chance when we’re 1 and 6 ( I pray that doesn’t happen) we will finally get to see him in a live important game.

  70. SteveK Says:

    Oneilbuc Says:
    June 22nd, 2023 at 12:09 pm
    Most of yall will be saying the same thing with the next quarterback the bucs draft watch and see lol 🤣🤣!! And just know when they do draft a quarterback next year that will be a wasted season.


    The last laugh was had when TB12 won us a SB.

    Absolutely no shot in hell your boy, Jameis, would’ve sniffed the playoffs.

    I’m stoked for the new era, and I wouldn’t change anything the Bucs did.

    We can pay the piper this year.

    So much better than rooting for a loser QB who can’t stop turning over the football, but a segment of the fan base- such as yourself- will blindly support them and blame the team.


  71. Oneilbuc Says:

    Steve K. How many sacks did Brady have or how many interceptions did he catch I’ll wait?? You see this is the stuff I be talking about you try to make 1 player the only reason why the bucs won . I guess Brad Johnson was the only reason why we won the super bowl in 2002 . Again the only thing that happened to Jamies, Josh Freeman, Shaun King, Venny Trestaverdey, Trent Dilfer they have one thing in common they were drafted to the bucs and now it looks like Kyle Trask is another victim of the bucs it’s just the truth. This team has never developed a quarterback the only thing they have done so far is ruined the careers of every quarterback they drafted and that’s a fact. And as for the Brady thing I will tell you this Brady helped the bucs win a championship just like Brad Johnson. But also no one knew Gronk and AB or Forunett was coming to the bucs and what happened when Gronk and AB left ? He played bad not every game but a lot of them and BL and Todd Bowles became the scapegoat. I have no confidence in this team developing a quarterback they have showed us time and time again they can’t do it. I would be stupid to draft a quarterback next year in first round. The best thing the bucs should do is build a power house defense and get a good running game going than you plug in a average or slightly above average quarterback and then we can win another Superbowl.

  72. Dwayne Cone Says:

    Looks like Joe Stirred the Pot.

    With a 6 year career of 56.2 completion, 4566 yards, 27 Tds , 24 Int and a passer rating of 73.4? Shaun King is the last guy I would think could say someone else Stinks. Forgot to mention that Shaun had 12 Fumbles too. He dropped the ball on this one too and here’s why.

    TB had enough faith in Trask to let Gabbert go to clear up Cap space. Gabbert was good enough to be Scooped up immediately by the reigning Super Bowl Champs.

    Trask threw for 4300 yards and 43 Tds his senior year with 2 stud receivers. I am sure he will do just fine with Tampa Bays Receiving Corp.

    Perhaps the article implying that King suffered 281 concussions in his NFL career has some merit.

    Now there is one in the Room. Draft another unknown when you already have one? That would be Stupid.

    TB got someone will experience on the Cheap. Bucs have two QB’s for under 6 million if Trask wins the job and under 10 million if Baker has a great year.

  73. David Says:

    Wow, the only one stinks here is a long time back up, King with a terrible qb career stats,
    27 TD-24 Int.’s
    55% completions
    This old qb needs to keep his comments to himself as he has no idea what he is talking about just to stair up some noise for himself.

    You must be enjoying to find and quoting these garbage comments from anyone in media with negative takes on Trask. Where do you find these garbage blogs from ?

    Where did this expert see Trask in practice ? Task was not even allowed to take second team snaps or compete for qb2.

  74. David Says:

    Joe says,
    “king, a respected voice who does not miss Bucs games and spent years coaching the QB position in college”

    King the QB coach in college ? Only in one school @ USF. What that has to do with coaching in NFL ? What did he do in NFL? He was never offered a position in NFL based on his college experience. If college record is so important and counts then Trask should start and win most of his games in NFL.

    This guy didn’t accomplish anything in NFL but playing only 34 games with inferior stats 14-10 record and threw almost as many picks as touch downs at 54% completions.

  75. shankasorous Says:

    David Says: “King the QB coach in college ? Only in one school @ USF.”

    AND, he was the QB coach at USF for only ONE SEASON, after which he was “promoted” to RUNNING BACKS COACH!

    “As a college coach:
    South Florida (2016) Quarterbacks coach
    South Florida (2017–present) Running backs coach”