Scheming Trey Palmer Open

May 21st, 2023

Bucs rookie WR Trey Palmer.

Who doesn’t love speed? Speed kills, man.

There is no substitute for speed. And if a team doesn’t have it, it can’t really practice for it.

Joe checked in on NextGen Stats and on the front page was a breakdown of the fastest 20 offensive players (including special teams) clocked running with the ball in games last year. None were Bucs.

Remember, it wasn’t like the Bucs didn’t have any speed. Scotty Miller was on the team. So what was up with that? If you want to point a finger at failed offensive coordinator SpongeBob for not finding a way to get Miller open and use his speed, well, Joe thinks that is fair.

Still, Joe doubts Miller would have registered as one of the faster players in the league if he got open more. Remember, Miller regressed without Bucco Bruce Arians being around to cuss him out for always jumping for a ball, even when the ball was headed towards his numbers.

Joe doesn’t care how fast a receiver is, if a he always has to jump for the ball, that kills whatever chance he has to maximize his speed. A guy jumping slows down, in some cases to a stop. He resumes running from a stationary position, not after a catching in stride.

That’s not Leftwich’s fault, unless you want to get on him for letting Miller regress to that nasty habit he had. That’s fair.

To make sure the Bucs use rookie Trey Palmer’s lightning speed, it’s up to new offensive coordinator Dave Canales to scheme him open.

24 Responses to “Scheming Trey Palmer Open”

  1. Rod Munch Says:

    With Palmer, just keep it simple. Run as fast as you can in a straight line, and maybe you’ll catch a couple of bombs during the season, which will keep the defense honest and, hopefully, make things slightly easier underneath for Evans, Godwin, Gage and Otton.

    It’s really simple stuff – and that’s where Leftwich was an idiot. Miller was a one trick pony, he can run fast in a straight line, but he wasn’t quick. So how did that moron Leftwich use him? Well, let’s do end arounds and screen passes, where his speed is completely negated. It was beyond stupid.

  2. HC Grover Says:

    The last thing we need is another Scotty Miller.

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We also had Breshad Perriman…..4.25……no slouch…..

    I think Palmer’s speed can be used many ways…..

  4. Dooley Says:

    You don’t scheme WRs open, you give them high pct reception opportunities as the protection has to hold up, the pass has to be on point and the WR has to beat a man/zone coverage before hauling in the pass. “Scheming a guy open” just makes it sounds as if it’s as east as just drawing a play up and running it, sounds good but all those sequences have to line up in the short amount of time it takes for a defense to react.

    Go look at the tape of David Moore in his time in Seattle, the guy lined up inside, outside, was the motion man, and even made a few plays running jet sweeps. Palmer is faster, a tad stiffer as a runner, but he’s also got long arm and the hops to have a shot high pointing passes. I can see Palmer being used sort of similar to how Chris Godwin was used w/Dirk Koetter, and that’s lining outside and vertically attacks the space behind the LBs and under the safety

  5. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Canales had both DJ Metcalf and Tyler Lockett back in Seattle, both are 4.4 speed guys, so he knows what to do to get a fast receiver open.

  6. Iamnotyou Says:


    You might want to study what route concepts are. They are used to get a favorable matchup and “scheme” someone open. Just like blitz concepts and D-line stunts. Offensive line run blocking schemes utilize similar strategies. It’s a numbers game, and you look for our guy to beat their guy one-on-one.

    This is the best of the best on a level not even 1% come close to. You know the saying, they play chess while we are playing checkers.

  7. Joe in Michigan Says:

    HC Grover Says:
    May 21st, 2023 at 3:44 pm
    The last thing we need is another Scotty Miller.
    Habitual Complainer: I know it’s inconceivable to your negative mind, but there’s a chance that this guy is better than Scotty Miller.

  8. sasquatch Says:

    Bigger than Scotty Miller. Succeeded at a major college program. The only reason we’re comparing the two is that they’re late round speed guys and some of you just stop there. Spend a few minutes looking at Palmer’s highlight reel. He has an NFL receiver body and looks the part waaay more than Miller.

  9. Fred McNeil Says:

    Scooter couldn’t catch well if he was being challenged. And yes, he’s a one trick pony

  10. Fred McNeil Says:

    Let’s see what canales cooks up for him.

  11. Ufcguy32 Says:

    Or you use them in the slot like you’re freaking supposed to instead of getting Godwin banged up. This team is notoriously horrible in yac.
    That my friends is scheme, blocking and lack of speed. Who’s the worst? Mike Evans. Hates any type of contact. Slides on the ground. Go watch the film, almost every time.

  12. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    If the NFL was easy, I’d be playing.
    But them dudes would kill me, lol

  13. #99 the big fella Says:

    Joe in Michigan, glad you called out Mc Glover this idiot is just as bad as goatfarmer about complaining

  14. CleanHouse Says:

    Scotty Miller deserves props for what he did for us Super Bowl season! He’ll probably light it up against us as a Falcon. I’ll enjoy watching that very much.

  15. dmatt Says:

    It seems we have a habit of getting guys with speed n or quickness but has no heart n are afraid of contact. Perriman was fast but passive n afraid of contact, he didn’t fight for balls. Scotty was fast but he too was afraid of contact n is a timid runner when anticipating contact.Darden was just quick at running out of bounds or tripping over his own feet. We picked up Taye Barber from TCU n he’s another Darden, quick to run outta bounds. I hope Palmer put his foot where his mouth is n be the dog he claims to be. A positive I’ve seen, objectively, is Devin Thompson, he impressed me, he’s small n quick but embraces contact to pick up yards. He has heart n knows how to maneuver n use his body n speed to his advantage.

  16. sasquatch Says:

    ^ “n” is not acceptable as an abbreviation for “and”… try English.

  17. Dooley Says:


    You’re talking about design, I’m talking about the sequence of things from snap to reception having to go well often enough for the design concepts to actually matter. Palmer is a rookie, regardless of what’s schemed up for him, whether it be a pick concept, misdirection, or crossing concepts, he & the other 10 players have to do what they’re responsible for any of it to work.

  18. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    “I just want to know, if the guy can catch a football”…… Vic Fangio

  19. Bojim Says:

    Mayfield’s got a strong arm.

  20. Mike C Says:

    Why would you enjoy that Clean house?

  21. Beef Says:

    Damn Joe….

    Proof read much?

  22. SB~LV Says:

    Why did he leave LSU ?
    Why didn’t OJ Howard catch passes at Alabama?
    JL scratch off

  23. Pelsbuc61 Says:

    Miller was a contributor even on ST. The guy was scrappy and played with heart. Leftwich’s horrible play calling didn’t do him any favors. He’ll be missed.

  24. garro Says:

    I love me some Scooter.
    I sure hope Palmer gets open on some long TD passes go routes in particular.
    I also hope when we play Atlanta that Scooter doesn’t slip behind a safety and embarrass us.