Bucs In The Veteran QB Market … Under $30 Million

February 18th, 2023

“Mr. Glazer, I think we have a leak.”

A dozen NFL quarterbacks officially have salaries at $30 million or more for the 2023 season.

That number could climb to half the league QBs once free agency hits and a couple of contract extensions happen. But that’s certainly unclear. The open market can be unpredictable.

Enter the Bucs. Multiple plugged-in NFL reporters have said the Bucs plan to be players in the free agent market for a quarterback but the team will enforce limitations because of its salary cap situation. Tampa Bay already is $50 million-ish over the cap thanks to old contracts and accounting games during the Tom Brady years.

NFL Network insider Mike Garafolo is the first guy Joe has heard put a number on the Bucs’ threshold for chasing a veteran QB.

Specifically mentioned by Garafolo was Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo; Garafolo told WDAE radio this week that he expects the Bucs to bow out of any quarterback negotiations if either is seeking a salary of $30 million or more.

Joe hears some fans screaming that Carr will cost way more than that and Garoppolo might not be worth that much. Well, Joe gets the outcry but Joe certainly thinks the Bucs might view Carr as a bargain if they could get him for, say, $27 million annually.

And maybe Carr is looking more for a personal, family fit versus breaking the bank.

Various NFL contract trackers online claim Carr already has banked nearly $140 million in his career. Perhaps money isn’t his primary focus?

As Joe has written many times, Joe is confident Todd Bowles would prefer a veteran quarterback versus a rookie, or the only QB he has now under contract, third-year backup Kyle Trask.

If the Bucs could sign a veteran QB they really believe could take them to a title for middle-of-the-pack money, then Joe thinks Bowles and Jason Licht would be happy to pounce.

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105 Responses to “Bucs In The Veteran QB Market … Under $30 Million”

  1. *Fire Keith Armstrong Says:


  2. NEfan Says:

    Isn’t Goff a FA?

  3. A Bucs Fan Says:

    The best long term solution is to let Trask start and don’t sign a guy for more than back up money then let the dominoes fall where they may. 2024 is the year to address QB if it’s even necessary at that point.

  4. SKBucsFan Says:

    I hope whoever they think would be best can run, because they won’t be able to afford a lot of quality protection or receivers when they need to shed even more salaries.

  5. MerryPlankster777 Says:

    Please, no Carr!
    Last time we pulled an ice-cold Raider out of the deep freeze, he went bananas at a Jets game and shattered, sending the penultimate season into a fatal nose dive. (Last seen holed up tossing shoes with cops awaiting to intercept the receiver)

    Carr sounds like a case of frostbite 2.0 that must be avoided.

  6. Aceofaerospace Says:

    I think no state income tax may be a bargaining chip for getting under $30 mil.

  7. sasquatch Says:

    This is reee tarded. I’d say under 10 million and we’re still gonna have a hard time finding that much.

    Drew Lock + Kyle Trask + drafted QB. That’s what we’re looking at this year.

  8. sasquatch Says:

    People who think 20 million is in our range haven’t looked at our cap. We are seriously fu€ked.

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:


  10. Marine Buc Says:


    Under $30M?

    How about under $10M?

    How about we just face reality and let Kyle Trask, Drew Lock/Gabbert and Hendon Hooker battle it out for the starting QB job…

    Spend that $30M on defense and re-sign J. Dean, LVD, SMB and A. Nelson.

  11. Cobraboy Says:

    Seems $30m doesn’t buy what it used to.

    I’d rather spend the cheese on OL.

  12. ApolloBeach Al Says:

    The Bucs should trade their first round pick and Chris Godwin to Chicago for Justin fields. Get rid of some salary and pick up a mobile quarterback on a rookie deal. We have a better line and receivers than Chicago, even if we lost Godwin.

  13. stpetebucfan Says:

    140 million? How’s a poor guy supposed to survive on that measly sum.

    The money has gotten effing crazy. A freaking 5% return on that amount is
    7 MILLION a year. IE…Carr could sit on his butt the rest of his life living on SEVEN MILLION annually without touching the 140 million.

    As for avoiding state income tax, a guy in his position has great tax attorneys and can place $$ in places that are writeoffs for the Feds and the State.

    If you think $$ are involved I won’t disagree but at this point for Carr $$ represent only respect and ego. If he wants to play in Tampa he can EASILY make it happen!

  14. BucBoy Says:

    This would repeat the mistake of last season: Play a veteran quarterback under the delusion that the team is Super Bowl material and waste a season that could have developed a future quarterback.

  15. Reedo Says:

    I’ve always thought that Carr was decent but his team and his situation was not. So a better situation might make for a better Carr. Is that better situation the Bucs? I’m not convinced.

  16. AlanBucsfan Says:

    Fournette and White would catch 120 checkdowns , while Evans and Godwin would fume.

  17. Oxycondoms Says:

    Imagine being a rookie qb drafted by bowles. Anyways bowles doesnt have the time to develop one even if he knew how

  18. Stebobucsfan Says:

    I would like to see Carr come to Tampa but from what I am hearing it most likely will be Trask competing against a vet like Lock or J Brisset, I like Brisset his stats are a lot better than Lock’s

  19. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Carr’s last game was at Pittsburgh- 3 sacks, 3 interceptions, shut out in 2nd half, benched. Really? That’s who Bucs want to go with?

  20. HC Grover Says:

    El stupido. Just when ya think it can not get any worse. It does.

  21. Jack Clark Says:

    Nothing can ruin an offense more than making Todd Bowels a head coach!

    RIP no risk it no biscuit 🙏

  22. Couch Fan Says:

    The smart thing to do is give Trask the 1st crack at starting and sign a back up. But we are talking about the Bucs here. And a coach who had no clue during his 1st season. Smart is probably expecting to much.

  23. Jerry Says:

    A Bucs Fan Says:
    February 18th, 2023 at 5:05 pm

    The best long term solution is to let Trask start and don’t sign a guy for more than back up money then let the dominoes fall where they may. 2024 is the year to address QB if it’s even necessary at that point.


    It’s a business. They got to sell something this fall. You got to give people a reason to buy tickets. Just saying you are going to clear the books and hope for a first round pick and then start the rebuild in 2024 is really, really bad for business.

  24. Mike S Says:

    No you see this all about Bowles trying to save himself from being launched out of the building. Its delusional. Instead of giving to ball to Trask and resetting the cap – they are going to continue to kick the salary cap can down the road and “reload”.

    Its going to explode in everyone’s faces epically.

    If they do that then everyone deserves to be fired. Including Licht.

  25. Mike S Says:

    You know what’s worse for business Jerry?

    Going 3-14 anyway after signing terrible contracts on ‘veterans’ who couldn’t win elsewhere.

  26. Coburn Says:

    St. Pete crazy how much money is in sports isn’t it? A guy can work his tail off working long weeks his whole life and only ever sniff a fraction of what these guys make in a year.. and that’s in a relatively privileged country. Nobody could ever work hard enough to be actually worth 30 mil a year, but that’s how much gets thrown at sports, betting, tv deals. If the players aren’t making it the owners just pocket that much more

  27. Mort Says:

    Start Trask. Holy crap. Let’s not even talk about a 30 million dollar player when we are $50 million over the cap and we STILL DONT KNOW what we have in Trask! Next year once we got space, let’s talk about what this rebuild looks like. Next year is develop our young guys and see what the foundation is moving forward. If we win a division – cool.

  28. Mike S Says:

    Bowles coached the Bucs into a rebuild. That’s on him. Bucs got the worst cap situation in the league with a down trending football team.

    Now its on him to see if he can coach his way out of the rebuild. Get some young players in here and see if Bowles can coach them up. See if he can get this team to team to trend up again.

    He was handed the keys to a team that was in the NFC championship game after winning the super bowl the year before. They had a losing record and the starting QB retired.

    Ever hear the expression throwing good money after bad?

    Derek Carr had 14 INTs last year and only had completion % higher than Baker, Watson, Darnold, Fields and Wilson. He’s OVERRATED. We’d be better off with Trask.

  29. Christos Says:

    This team has many needs. We are an old and slow team.
    We are not a QB away from contending.
    So clear what cap situation you can, take some hard pills this year and start building a new team. Dont kick the can down the road because we are not one piece away.
    There is no point to continue sacrificing the future. Build for the future starting now with taking care of the cap. Dont sign a 30mil mediocre veteran QB

  30. SB Says:


  31. Crazyhorse54 Says:

    Carr might find the new OC a good fit as they both are men of faith.

  32. IrishTony Says:

    You folks are really that naive to think that the Bucs brass are going to go with Trask or perennial backup Gaebbert? Trask showed crap in pre-season don’t give a crap who he was throwing to. Does anyone remember Skylar Thompson’s performance in pre-season? He was throwing to 2nd and 3rd stringers and looked good. I’d rather see someone like Cooper Rush who at least has some moxy, Trask is a stiff and being a Florida cracker I’m a Gators fan.

  33. SB~LV Says:

    Draft 2-3 every year until you find the one!

  34. Goatfarmer Says:

    The Trask crowd is hilarious. His coaches are afraid to let him play — IN PRACTICE! When he has been in preseason games and against the Falcons, he’s looked like a poor man’s Mike Glennon. More aptly, he’s still playing at NCAA speed and of course that’s too slow.

    These slurpers criticize those objectively evaluating Trask as ignorant, pointing to Clyde Christensen and his “strong resume” (chuckle chuckle) — who was forced to retire. So, these slurpers say we don’t know more than he does, but the slurpers apparently know more than Jason Licht and the remaining coaches?

    The backup QB syndrome is fascinating to watch. People say “Let’s see what we’ve got.”

    There’s a reason why we haven’t.

  35. Redeemer Says:

    Let’s get a few things straight. If they wanted to, the bucs could absolutely sign Jimmy or Carr. It’s a malleable cap. The hit in years one and two for either could be negligible. Just like they did with Brady. Remember, once the new TV deal is signed, the cap will go through the roof. If they go that route, Brady’s hit could be absorbed by the increase alone. All depends on what ownership wants. That home playoff game is extremely lucrative.

  36. Dom Says:

    With their cap space the budget should be 10 Million and under. It would be such a mistake to sign Carr or Jimmy G. This team isn’t good enough to do anything special with either of those guys

  37. Stebobucsfan Says:

    Veteran QB 2 words Jacoby Brisset. Look at his stats as a lifetime backup

  38. Tye Says:

    IF it’s not Carr (don’t believe it will be) then I am ok with Trask/Lock competition and spend what is possible on the trenches…. Focus on the trenches… Build the trenches for 2024 so new HC and QB (possibly new GM) will have a core group to rely on…

  39. SB~LV Says:

    Sell the team Glazer’s!

  40. chark Says:

    If i wanted the bucs to win games next year I would go with baker mayfield at a reasonable price. He is the only one that has the potential to play at a high level. he may lose some games but he is capable of winning . He has had shootouts with some great qbs I think under the right circumstances he could do well. Has the most upside on this list but can have some bad games

  41. DungyDance Says:


  42. mark2001 Says:

    Apollo. Honestly, I don’t know what some of you guys are thinking. Justin Fields? He will be lucky to still be playing five years from now. The guy runs far too often and takes far too many hits…. fresh meat soon to be turned into sushi by NFL LBs and Safeties.

  43. Stebobucsfan Says:

    Sorry Chark Baker had some problems

  44. Alexandre Nascimento Says:

    I don’t get it. Why this matters? Can’t the Bucs sign anyone and give him a salary just like the Browns did it to Mr. Handsy to avoid him to pay a huge fine last season?

  45. steele Says:

    There are many boneheaded moves that the Bucs can make. They’ve already committed to many, led at the top by their selection of HC. So the question is will they continue down (emphasis on down) this path by overpaying for an absolute loser in Carr? Go ahead, add to the misery. The brittler than class Jimmy GQ is a far better QB, but he is good for a few regular season games, and is guaranteed to face plant, literally, in big games when pressured. So those are you two marquee free agents. They would be better off with almost anyone else on the FA list, all of whom are cheaper, and should be expendable bridge options, not long term ones.

    I wouldn’t bet against Bowles, Mr. Familiarity and Comfort, to simply bring Gabbert back, and, yes, they will give Trask a shot because. They’ve already invested in him and that is all.

    Canales is a question mark at this point, and who knows if he will be given the nod to choose a QB. Seahawks chatter is that he could bring Geno or Lock in, but that is chatter. Geno is Geno, not a long term winner. Lock is uncoachable.

    Unfortunately I see no hope for this miserable team until Bowles is gone, and Canales, the Jeremy Bates acolyte, also. No hope until after the bottom falls out, and that will probably be this season. Then the total rebuild that has been a long time overdue.

  46. Stanglassman Says:

    Drew Lock has got to be the favorite. He and Trask will compete in camp and Lock will win it because he knows the system.

  47. Stebobucsfan Says:

    Don’t understand Alexandre Nascimento please repeat

  48. Stanglassman Says:

    Hooker would be interesting but he’s not going to even be there with the Bucs 2nd round pick. Anyone thinking he’s gonna be available in round 3 or 4 are fooling themselves.

  49. BucBoy Says:

    Couch Potato Goat Humper Says: “When he has been in Trask has looked like a poor man’s Mike Glennon”

    You mean like the last preseason game against the Colts when the three quarterbacks posted these quarterback ratings?

    Kyle Trask 99.6
    Blaine Gabbert 89.0
    Tom Brady 87.5

    Or, do you mean like the last regular season game against the Falcons when Gabbert played almost the entire second half and got 0 first downs while Trask played only the last two series and got a first down passing?

    Or do you mean both?


  50. Redeemer Says:

    Ste, they could do a lot worse than Jacoby. Baker too. They won’t break the bank and we could win the south win either imo.

  51. BucBoy Says:

    Goathumper Says: “People say ‘Let’s see what we’ve got.’ There’s a reason why we haven’t.”

    Congrats! You’re right for once! There is a reason, and his name is Tom Brady.


  52. Goatfarmer Says:

    If you’re happy and you know it stomp your feet! If you’re happy and you know it stomp your feet! If you’re happy and you know it then your face will surely show it!

    If you’re happy and you know it stomp your feet!

  53. Goatfarmer Says:

    No ButtBoy, only you would think it was Brady keeping Trask off the field.

    It was Goobert! Trask was not even promising enough to take reps away from Goobert!

    Nice try. Now take it easy with your Trask poster, your mom is concerned why it’s so sticky.

  54. Tye Says:

    Panthers are not struggling to fill out their coaching staff!

  55. Tucker Says:

    I highly doubt they sign carr but if they did umm the defense what about all the players that are about to be free agents on the defense yeah roll with Trask and whatever third tier veteran they can afford clean some of the cap up it’s time to rebuild and get younger.

  56. sasquatch Says:

    Crazyhorse54 Says:
    February 18th, 2023 at 7:12 pm

    Carr might find the new OC a good fit as they both are men of faith.

    Faith isn’t going to find $30+ million to pay him.

  57. sasquatch Says:

    Tye Says:
    February 18th, 2023 at 9:00 pm

    Panthers are not struggling to fill out their coaching staff!

    Of course not, it’s a new regime. They know they have a few years, at least, in one place and a coach with a good reputation.

    We can’t offer those things. That’s just reality. I’m still interested in seeing what we do about it. There are still good coaches who will want to join us, they may just have to dig deeper. I’m very interested to see who they hire for the QB coach. They would be wise to have an experienced guy in that job.

  58. Jerry Says:

    Keep in mind, Todd Bowles is fighting to keep his job. He isn’t going to just go down with the ship without a fight. He’s going to try to win the division again.

    We also need multiple QBs. We only have 1 on the roster right now. No matter what we plan to do, we need to sign a QB in free agency. There is no other way around that. That is going to happen.

  59. sasquatch Says:

    ^ Yes, we will sign a cheap QB or 2, and maybe draft one.

  60. The Anomaly Says:

    @ redeemer – those guys are losers – known quantities

    Embrace the suck. Zero reason to sign Carr or Jimmy G.

    None. To go 8-9 again? Magic Licht should be all over this

    He should have another Brady lined up.

  61. Redeemer Says:

    You people that think Trask didn’t move up the depth chart because of some conspiracy, really entertaining. I mean legendary. Let’s go through this slow. This is a performance based league. The best guys play, no matter what. They all get a look that’s incredibly scrutinizing. Either that, or the coaches, GM and owner are derelict. Had it occured to any of you that the kid just sucks? I m after we have Ryan Mallett on our hands.

  62. steele Says:

    I don’t think Bowles is “fighting” to keep his job. That’s too active and emotional a word for him. It was handed to him because Bucs brass and Arians made it so. This remains the case. There is no urgency. I bet Bowles is confident he has multiple seasons left.

    Demanding things done his way, he is being given every resource to satisfy himself. Not happy that he didn’t have “his” staff this past season, he did nothing to make the existing parts succeed or to lift a finger for Brady, who was just another part. Losing? So what, it wasn’t yet “his team”. Todd didn’t seem concerned, about much at all, because he knew this offseason would be his chance to get his New York Jets 2.0 infrastructure in place.

    The next QB will be someone who can take orders and not go rogue. Enough of that. A game manager who can hand the ball off and do some West Coast offense short passing.

  63. RustyRhinos Says:

    Hey Sasquatch, I would roll with this: Drew Lock + Kyle Trask + drafted QB. Not that this is a “Successful Veteran” QB room it would be a continuation of our OC’s familiarity, and offer us a chance to grow with what we have. And work on both lines and our other needs LB, CB, S, TE, and RB at a cap-friendly price and range. Build depth and stability as we get the cap back under manageable control.
    Let us all get it thru our hard heads, Tom Brady is no longer here, and will not be back this time. MOVE ON!

    GO!!!!! BUCS!!!!!

  64. Larrd Says:

    Bowles seems more clueless every day, imo.

  65. John Says:

    Might as well bring Jameis back or get Carr

  66. View from 132 Says:

    Numbers like this make the spring football leagues appealing. $27M for a 17 game season to be average… Carr has been average. Not bad. Not great. That’s an extraordinary amount of cash.

  67. EEK Says:

    Sounds like Baler Mayfield fits that criteria perfectly

    Perfect qb for a soft tank

  68. BucsFan81 Says:

    Wow this team can’t be this stupid. We already have 35 million in dead money we have to eat this year for Brady contract. Now they want to spend 30 million on a Qb so 65 million in cap space on 1 position. They must plan on letting a lot of people go.

  69. Goatfarmer Says:

    Hey Sasquatch, here’s your chance — you wrote

    “There are still good coaches who will want to join us, they may just have to dig deeper.”

    Like who? And who is going to dig deeper? Just trying to be anti negative with you, bro.

  70. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Alanbucsfan Says
    “Carr’s last game was at Pittsburgh- 3 sacks, 3 interceptions, shut out in 2nd half, benched. Really? That’s who Bucs want to go with?”

    What do those 3 sacks tell you? No protection.

    He’s had to deal with that the entire time he was there.

    Case in point, what hapoened with Brady when half the oline was out? Sacks and picks.

  71. Goatfarmer Says:

    Here’s some anti-negativity about the prospects.

    Carr, Geno Smith, Brissett, Mayfield, Garoppolo — are all seasoned, and prepared for turmoil of horrible coaching and player turnover. They’ve all done it. Meanwhile, Kyle “can’t earn reps from Goobert” Trask is still a dear in the headlights and the fact that a guy who has seen Trask from the opposite side of the ball, who is now the head coach, wants anyone else but him, is telling.

    And even BA said, yeah he’s smart, But let’s go look behind door number 2 again.

    Right now the only possible QG cut loose that I would not want is Kaaron Rodgers. Selfish self centered drama queen. I’d even go for another try with JaMiss over Kaaron.

  72. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I have a feeling things won’t be as bad as we suspect, and that Bowles will manage to keep his job next year too.

    HOWEVER, I do feel everyone needs a reminder:

    We are now officially in the Lying Season.

    Every year, this is when media either makes up stories or is fed false leads by all the teams.

    For the teams, it is now all about misdirection. The Bucs are not telling anyone what their plans really are. They might ‘leak’ a rumor or two, but they are likely untrue.

    Why? Because if other teams know their plans, they might throw a wrench in here.

    That’s the case for every team…so don’t fully believe anything right now. If the Bucs have leaked that they are going to be players in the veteran QB market, then don’t buy in. If the do, it will be someone to compete with Trask.

    Personally, I suspect they will trade for someone that is low-cost, young, and has potential.

  73. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I personally do not think they will draft a QB in the first 3-4 roundseither. Think were looking at a mostly defensive draft, and maybe one OL guy.

  74. Goatfarmer Says:

    Bonz, all good points. Licht didn’t inherit a ruined Dumbnik/Lovie Smith disaster and repair it to be a Super Bowl winner and go 44-29 including 5 playoff wins without some savvy. He hired BA and went and got Brady. BA was critical in that signing.

    Well, now he has a different hand to play and lots of chips are at the center of the table. I do have confidence in JL, it just sucks that he’s saddled with a full Bowels inhibiting his moves.

    Just like Lovie.

    How’s that for anti-negativity, sasquish?

  75. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Goatfarmer Says
    “…and the fact that a guy who has seen Trask from the opposite side of the ball, who is now the head coach, wants anyone else but him, is telling.”

    Unproven. All we’ve heard are rumors, nothing has been factual.

    As the Arians, he knows the Bucs only have one QB, so of course they need to add more.

    “Carr, Geno Smith, Brissett, Mayfield, Garoppolo”

    I do like the thought of Carr becoming a Buc…but I don’t believe he or any of thos guys you mentioned will be brought in.

    I believe they are going to either bring back Gabbert, or trade a cap-unfriendly player for a pick and competition for Trask. Or both.

  76. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Goatfarmer, I agree with the Lovie vs Bowles comparison, so far as the similar situations.

    I do think Bowles is a much better DC than Lovie ever was though.

    I just have a feeling this new up and coming OC we got might turn out to be good enough to keep Bowles employed another year.

    Not sure how I feel about that. I want Bowles gone, but if they manag3 say, 10-7 or 11-6, that means success for the team, which is what I truly want.

    Not sure how long that success could last with Bowles as HC though.

  77. sasquatch Says:

    Goatfarmer Says:
    February 19th, 2023 at 12:59 am

    Hey Sasquatch, here’s your chance — you wrote

    “There are still good coaches who will want to join us, they may just have to dig deeper.”

    Like who? And who is going to dig deeper? Just trying to be anti negative with you, bro.

    I don’t know who or where they might be but I’m sure there must be guys out there.

    When I say dig, I mean going to the college ranks if you have to. Monte Kiffin was the master at this. Rod Marinelli was at USC and had never coached in the NFL when the Bucs hired him. Mike Tomlin had been a coach at Cincinnati with no NFL experience when Monte dug him up. He also went to North Dakota State to pull two green coaches — Gus Bradley and Todd Wash, both of whom have been long-term successful defensive coaches in the NFL.

    Greg Schiano brought P.J. Fleck with him and he got rave reviews. Now the head coach at Univ. of Minnesota. There are tons of these kinds of examples all over the league. I think Belichick frequently brings coaches up from the college ranks.

    There are always good coaches around and sometimes you have to do the homework and take a chance on a younger NFL-virgin with potential. Unfortunately, the NFL recycles a lot of the same coaches over and over again and people think you’re failing if they don’t know the name of the coach you just hired.

    The big question is whether Todd Bowles knows where to look for these guys. Does he have a strong sense of coaching talent? I don’t know. I can’t say I’m terribly optimistic about it, but, as is my policy, I’m willing to wait and see.

  78. Goatfarmer Says:

    Yes, Bonz, most everything we banter about on this site is based on speculation, which is what we are doing right now. What you are doing with your Gabbert return idea, etc.

    The oddsmaker in me looks at the following — Bowels just had his 4th consecutive losing season as a head coach, with Tom Brady and a fairly stacked roster. He got humiliated in his playoff game. He oversaw a precipitous drop in offensive production and a slide in defensive performance as well.

    It would be fascinating to see him roll the dice on his own future by rolling with Trask without at least having someone with some demonstrated results to backstop him. Failure this season and he is done. He will be in a different profession entirely.

    So the rumors of an incoming veteran QB have a lot of substance given the circumstance.

    I was merely trying to reinforce your notion that the Bucs may do something unexpected to bring in a chance to win, hence the Jason Licht support I offered.

  79. Goatfarmer Says:


    sasquatch Says:
    February 18th, 2023 at 5:16 pm
    People who think 20 million is in our range haven’t looked at our cap. We are seriously fu€ked.


    Now there’s some anti-negativity for you. Way to stoke the fires of hope with some more heresay and speculation!

  80. sasquatch Says:

    Goatfarmer Says:
    February 19th, 2023 at 1:43 am

    Now there’s some anti-negativity for you. Way to stoke the fires of hope with some more heresay and speculation!

    Well, there’s no arguing that our cap situation isn’t totally horked up. That’s just numbers. I’m a realist. It’s gonna take a lot of work to fix it and we’re going to lose some guys. There isn’t really a choice.

  81. Goatfarmer Says:

    So………we just hope for the best! That’s it, quatch, that’s your anti-negative message? Look you called me out, I’m just trying to follow your example, but it seems you are actually critical as well, just more polite.

    That’s it! I’ll be more polite!

  82. Goatfarmer Says:

    I mean nothing is more polite than to say “We are forked!” Right? That has all kinds of substance in it, that statement.

  83. Goatfarmer Says:

    And, one more thing sasquiffer — when asked a specific question in response to your grandiose “dig deeper” brilliance, you gave nothing back but pablum in rhetoric form.

    Get off your holier-than-thou schtick.

  84. sasquatch Says:

    I gave a reasoned response. I don’t know where you get “pablum in rhetoric form”. I’m just saying there are coaches if they know where to look for them. There’s nothing rhetorical about it. I’m sorry if you disagree with the statement.

  85. sasquatch Says:

    I’m also mystified by “grandiose”… nothing grandiose at all there.

  86. Goatfarmer Says:

    Queef, this was your short answer, to your “certainty” posted earlier: The grandiosity followed, reiterating the short answer. It’s up there , take a look.

    “I don’t know who or where they might be but I’m sure there must be guys out there.”

    You don’t know but you’re sure. Like people who believe the earth is flat, or that aliens from outer space walk freely amongst us. Keep digging, sis, you’re gonna need a bigger shovel.

  87. Goatfarmer Says:

    Here’s the positive out of all that fog — JL, and staff, suck at finding and developing coaches? That sounds pretty negative, in a very polite way of course. Seriously, if “they” need to do all that you are proposing, that means they haven’t to your satisfaction, so who is accountable for not getting it done so far?

    I already know your answer.

    “I don’t know who or where they might be but I’m sure there must be guys out there.”

  88. Defense Rules Says:

    Bonzai … ‘I do feel everyone needs a reminder: We are now officially in the Lying Season.’

    And there-in lies ‘the heart of the matter’. Lordy that brings back memories of Don Henley’s 1980’s song by that same title (from his ‘The End of Innocence’ album). Wow even that fits this current Bucs conundrum. A couple of the verses in there remind me of our short time with Tom Brady …

    ‘But I’m learning to live without you now
    But I miss you sometimes
    The more I know, the less I understand
    All the things I thought I knew
    I’m learning again’.

  89. Goatfarmer Says:

    I like Henley’s “Boys of Summer.” He does a killer version on Howard Stern Live, youtube it.

  90. BucBoy Says:

    Goathumper Says: “Trask is still a dear in the headlights.”

    There you go again. Always spewing drivel, nary a fact. If Trask is a deer in headlights, how did he do this?

    “Preseason Game #3: Bucs v Colts
    QB RTG
    Kyle Trask 99.6
    Blaine Gabbert 89.0
    Tom Brady 87.5”

    Gotta laugh at Goathumper. Never lets facts get in the way of his vitriol. 😛

  91. Tbbucs3 Says:


    Pointing out stats from a week 3 preseason game has got to be the saddest rebuttal of all time.

  92. Allbuccedup Says:

    Let me get this straight you are going to pay a mediocre QB to hand the ball off. If Tom Brady can’t win you but 8 games how much is a retread QB going to win maybe 2 more wins than Trask. Doesn’t sound like a very good return on an investment. Looks like Lichts in panic mode, but its going to backfire if he isn’t careful.

  93. Fishhawkbuc Says:

    Lamar Jackson was spotted in Tampa Thursday

  94. BucBoy Says:


    Oh, please. Those stats I provided are “sad” to you only because they go against your narrative. Had the stats been reversed, and Trask had a low QB RTG in that game compared to Gabbert and Brady, you and all the other haters would be shouting Trask’s RTG from the rooftop as proof that Track sucks. You’re fooling nobody, pal.

  95. Killian Says:

    I keep seeing people say we don’t have cap space, yet the Saints are considered the favorites to sign him at some sports books and they are +$70 million over cap. I wouldn’t mind Carr coming to Tampa. He played in a very tough division with a mediocre defense and poor coaching. Tampa has the pieces on offense to be really good. Just need to trade Smith and maybe move Wirfs to LT.

  96. Doug Says:

    Lol with what money?

  97. Allbuccedup Says:

    All this speculation on whos going to be QB. Tom Brady with all of our so called talent only won eight games. So it doesn’t matter who the QB is the team will continue to spiral down under Bowles.

  98. Alexandre Nascimento Says:

    The Browns signed their QB for 1 million base salary last season because they knew the league would fine him and the fine is proportional to your base salary. So my point is, why can the Bucs sign a QB for peanuts on his first season and make it rain on the following years of his contract?

  99. mark2001 Says:

    Bucboy.. “third preseason game stats”? Now that is funny.

  100. mark2001 Says:

    At this point in time, we better hope Trask doesn’t suck.

  101. Letsbucinggo Says:

    I have got this bad feeling the two guys in the picture are going to sign a 25-30 mil QB pay Dean, Edwards etc. Shove the money down the road so bad it will take five seasons to recover. But the after two seasons of four or five win seasons ticket sales will plunge. Then the Glazers will have to sell the team. But lets hope that doesn’t happen and the rebuild will start.

  102. Mike Johnson Says:

    I hate to tell you this Mark2001, But Trask could not beat out Gabbert. That tells me quite a bit. Even bringing in a guy like Brissett would be an improvement over what we got now. And to bring in a really good Bet QB, some players gonna have to restructure their contracts. And many will not do it this time. Bucs will get a vet though. Lets just hope we get a good one.

  103. BucBoy Says:

    mark2001 Says: “Bucboy…third preseason game stats? Now that is funny.”

    ^^^ Nervous laughter. He damn well knows that if Trask had the lowest RTG of the three quarterbacks in the Colts preseason game, he would be posting it daily.

  104. BucU Says:

    Screw an under 30 Mil QB. We’re in rebuild people! You want to win just enough games to neither make the playoffs or get top draft pics? F that. If we’re going to be insignificant then get so.ething out of it.
    I know it’s hard to let go but we’re back to being the Succaneers. Reality sucks I know.

  105. Bucamania Says:

    A cap strapped team can’t afford to overpay for a marginal QB