Kadarius Toney, Worthy Wild Card?
April 25th, 2022
“Kyle. grab an oat milk and tell me about this guy.”
When you’re a team all-in for a Super Bowl, your eyes must be wide open for fast-impact in moves.
Up in New Jersey, the new Giants regime is not pleased with second-year receiver/returner Kadarius Toney, who the team made its No. 20 overall pick in last year’s draft. Yes, Toney is that talented.
The speedster from the University of Florida hasn’t been the most team-first guy and he’s been a recent no-show at Giants spring workouts. Many reports claim the Giants are shopping Toney for a third-round pick.
Joe knows the Bucs could use an upgrade at returner and have a locker room culture that could be exactly what Toney needs to mature. Also, Toney caught 39 balls last season, despite missing seven games with minor injuries and COVID. So it’s not like he was invisible or overwhelmed on the field.
Joe thinks Toney is worth the risk for a 2022 or 2023 third-round draft pick. And hey, maybe the Giants would trade him for a fifth-rounder and Jaelon Darden?
Joe is intrigued knowing that Toney’s college QB, Kyle Trask, is on the Bucs roster. That’s a potential positive immediately and down the road.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:27 am
a 3rd for Toney?! Where do I sign?
April 25th, 2022 at 10:28 am
Book him ! Joe
A 3rd round pick is an excellent value
Bucs and NYG have a trade history
April 25th, 2022 at 10:28 am
Well, here’s the gator homer in me speaking again. Heck yeah make that trade for a third rounder.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:39 am
If Kyle vouches for the kid, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:40 am
Offer a forth.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:41 am
No and no. Giants are a mess and can’t wait to unload him. Guy is a diva without the history of success. Had one good game and was a problem on multiple fronts as soon as he got to camp. Haven’t we learned what a bad character can do to a team? All the gator fan boys will
Get excited but this is the big leagues. Let someone else take this headache on.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:43 am
You may want to research the person he is, his tumultuous and injury-riddled year from the moment he was drafted until being the ONLY person not to show up at the Giants facility under a new regime as a 2nd year player recently w/ the rest of the team. He’s talented for sure, but have you not learned your lesson w/ guys like Jackson and Brown. Do you know thd reviews coming from ALL over and internally that he’s not committed, lackadaisical in meeting rooms, not punctual, not attentive, not a team first guy, is a ME guy, has baggage, ejected for throwing punches, not intelligent in his decision making, etc. etc. etc.
This all very nice, but the NFL has many players through its history that benefited from a fresh start. He also was vetted by the Giants and many other teams just a year ago. So maybe something went wrong in his life? Maybe North Jersey was a bad fit for an Alabama guy? Lots to consider when it’s a very young player. Leonard Fournette was suspended early on in his career for throwing a punch. LeGarette Blount was considered a me-first and volatile dude by many and he won Super Bowls with Tom Brady. –Joe
Talent only goes so far before it trumps a culture or throws a wrench into the TEAM….the Team….he’s not shown any evidence of being a team guy. This is beyond silly and ludicrous. Go watch any Giants fans or person in the kniw and you’ll get an overwhelming opinion….and it’s not good. Licht and FO and Ownership typically don’t want players like this in our locker room and building. Licht learned from Jackson. Brown was for Brady and Brady wanted him. Well, Brady ain’t close to Toney (like he WAS Brown) and Brady ain’t putting his neck on the line for that.
You may wanna research into this guy and the situation a lot more. There’s a lot there and most of it is all bad (AND he’s JUST a ROOKIE pulling this in his FIRST year in the league….this all transpired in less than a calendar year….it usually gets worse before it possibly ever gets better in this scenario). Beyond silly and ludicrous this is.
This is NOT happening, nor should we even be wasting time considering it.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:45 am
Toney is a game changer. I dont know about his issues in NY but the Goat might be able to get him right. Well worth a 3rd rounder to figure it out.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:50 am
If he just shored up the special team’s return game, he would be worth a pick. The way the draft is looking unless something falls to us, if possible, it would be good to trade back and get some picks. If we do use a 4th rd. on him just as we are getting ready to pick and the Giants are dreaming on players just might get him cheap as long as he hasn’t been traded.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:53 am
Jonathan Adams from the USFL Breakers looked spectacular.
Sign him after the season ends
April 25th, 2022 at 10:54 am
“Toney missed seven games due to injuries last season, plus most of training camp and all of the preseason. He skipped voluntary OTAs as a rookie, too, and that doesn’t even factor in all the other non-football issues that were part of his roller coaster first season. That includes the punch he threw during a game against the Cowboys, which got him ejected; his issue with cleats at rookie minicamp; and his issues on social media.”
NOPE! Say what you want about Darden who was drafted 3 rounds AFTER Toney, but we know Darden isn’t missing practice opportunities in his first FULL offseason or being immature on the internet. After 1 year Tony isnt worth our 2022 3rd rounder & probably has the Giants praying he was really worth their 1st rounder in 2021. Also, Dardens’ first big play of 2022, joe better have that “My Bad Jaelon” post loaded up, because its only a matter of time & opportunity.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:58 am
Yes on Toney he is a Tyreke Hill type of talent
April 25th, 2022 at 11:04 am
For a third round pick? Yes.
We put up with AB’s mentally ill BS. I guarantee this kid isn’t any worse than AB…
We have plenty of leadership on this team. One disfunctional player is not going to scuttle our ship.
LFG!!!!
April 25th, 2022 at 11:05 am
Yes please!! I’d give a 3rd in a second
April 25th, 2022 at 11:08 am
Joe,
There is definitely lots to consider there for sure Joe. I’m not disagreeing w/ that . Every situation can be subjective, you’re right.
….And that’s all very nice and all, but how many times does a 1st round draft pick (that produced while healthy enough to play….for Rookie standards), who has rare talent and traits like he does, get traded after ONE rookie season due to behavioral, commitment, laziness, team rules, off the field stuff and also in the building issues etc., to name a few?!? I’ll wait…
That’s very rare and usually a BIG reason as to why.
They aren’t trying to get rid of him after ONLY one year because he’s a BUST. It’s literally EVERYTHING else.
Rookies are just happy to be there and give their all. If he’s pulling this DURING and AFTER just ONE rookie year, that’s got bad written all over it. Logic and history tells you it’s likely gonna be more of the same, or even worse, long before it starts to get better….if it even does. He’s much too young, immature, me first and diva-like for that to probably happen anytime soon it seems likely (that’s conjecture of course).
No thanks. This is silly. For so many reasons. Bad, bad, bad.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:09 am
Antonio Brown 2.0
April 25th, 2022 at 11:14 am
I say yes. The player is electric and has otherworldly football jukes
April 25th, 2022 at 11:17 am
This isn’t joe saying this it must be an imposter but I like where the imposter is going with this 👍
April 25th, 2022 at 11:17 am
4th rounder & throw in Darden
April 25th, 2022 at 11:18 am
Pass. The best ability is availability.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:18 am
I never heard of the guy until he was drafted lol. But after watching his tape, his raw talent is undeniable and its video game like jukes are amazing. I watch football to be entertained and I will love to see him play on the Bucs
April 25th, 2022 at 11:23 am
Seems like the last time we traded a 3rd round pick to the Giants things worked out just fine….perhaps this trade would also.
Next year’s pick would be better because I think we get a comp for the Bowles promotion.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:25 am
Worth considering.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:31 am
@ TBBF
“I think we get a comp for the Bowles promotion.”
I don’t think we get any comp picks for promoting Bowles. The way the rule is written – it rewards a team with picks if another team hires one of your coaches as a head coach or one of your minority executives as a GM…
It doesn’t mention getting picks for promoting one of your own.
I could be wrong (I hope I am). I asked this question a few weeks ago and nobody had an answer.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:31 am
Yes. Only if they take Darden.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:45 am
I’m not a fan of this idea only because of recent history (AB!).
April 25th, 2022 at 11:49 am
2023 4th round pick if Kyle approves.
April 25th, 2022 at 11:50 am
5th rd ? I thought we trade our 5th for shaq …? Are we just dreaming in here
April 25th, 2022 at 11:56 am
If they want a third offer them a 4th if not a 5th, they sound desperate to get a ride of him!
April 25th, 2022 at 12:08 pm
Wow, that photo … Trask is bigger than Brady. Looked it up and, yep, 6-5 vs 6-4. Didn’t know that.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:09 pm
I’d say he’d be worth a 4th round offer. But only……..if you make his contract an Incentive Heavy contract. Nothing guaranteed except a daily team meal.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:10 pm
I’d be all in for sure but it’s a non story if he decided not to show up for involuntary workouts. If this is true Licht should have made this move already unless he feels the asking price is too much
April 25th, 2022 at 12:11 pm
Looking to trade a guy this early in his career is a major red flag. Wouldn’t give up more than a 4th rounder… because the Giants have no leverage. They’re stuck with a guy they don’t want. Low ball. The Bucs scouted him last year, probably had a good idea of what they thought of him… those evaluations probably involved character concerns.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:20 pm
I’m with Jerseybuc on this. I say hard no! I am from NY and this guy screams drama. Does not show for voluntary workouts with a team on year 2, the talk on his rap career puts his focus in question and the new staff already has concerns. Bottom line, the Giants got screwed by their own division rival when the Cowboys traded their pick to the Eagles for D. Smith and they reached for Toney later in the round. The Bears bailed them out, and I do not think the Bucs should as well.
Miller, Johnson, Perriman, Darden, Grayson….. All these names fighting for spots 4 and 5. Don’t need Toney.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:30 pm
A contender will make a trade for him…..he has huge upside and is cheap. New team will also have more leverage than Giants and if he gets released from another team in two years, his career is likely at the end. Lots of reasons for him to shape up and learn to be a professional.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:31 pm
Toney, with Gronk, would give Brady that unstoppable combo he once had in Hernandez and Gronk. Not sure about his character concerns, but Toney and Gronk? Factor in our elite WR group and wow. Just thinking out loud here, not endorsing Toney. The Bucs can do their vetting on him and make the appropriate choice.
GO BUCS!!!
April 25th, 2022 at 12:39 pm
I would even trade a 2nd rounder.
He was the most dynamic player that I saw on the field against us.
He’s the next Tyreek Hill.
He’s a proven NFL starter.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:41 pm
If the pick is in 2023, sure why not.
Licht might be too scarred by AB though, I’d say this is unlikely but I’d love to be proven wrong cause a guy who can stretch the field side to side like that would give us a whole new dimension
April 25th, 2022 at 12:42 pm
Maybe it was the poisonous climate or culture with the Giants but Toney never had those kind of problems at the University of Florida , maybe a change of scenery and familiar faces could be all he needs.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:56 pm
2023 5th or 6th rounder if he checks out.
Nothing from this year.
April 25th, 2022 at 12:57 pm
As I stated in another thread, Toney has to prove he’s baggage free and committed. As a result, he’s worth a fourth round pick. If you want to sweeten, also offer a swap of the Buc 6th round for the NYG 7th rounder.
The Bucs need a slot receiver, Toney would be a great fit.
April 25th, 2022 at 1:55 pm
Blaming Toney for ABs problems is ridiculous. Licht needs to do his homework on Toney to find out his issues. Offering a low 3rd round for someone with 1st round talent and skill is could be a great deal, especially when they are still on initial contract.
April 25th, 2022 at 2:02 pm
Trade Darden for Toney and a conditional 2023 draft pick. 4th rounder if he catches 40 plus passes if less than 40 passes 5th oy 6th rounder
April 25th, 2022 at 2:04 pm
Id take a flyer on Toney.
For whatever reason, I’m not completely sold on Russell Gage. Falcons wide receivers tend to be system receivers so Toney could be a good Insurance policy in case Gage doesn’t pan out.
April 25th, 2022 at 2:11 pm
Conditional conditional conditional.
Say a 5th this year, 4th possible upgrade to 3rd next year.
I wouldn’t get in a bidding war.
April 25th, 2022 at 2:14 pm
Allbuccedup Says:
April 25th, 2022 at 2:02 pm
Trade Darden for Toney and a conditional 2023 draft pick. 4th rounder if he catches 40 plus passes if less than 40 passes 5th oy 6th rounder
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Dude, nobody wants Darden. You’re a Bucs fan and don’t want him, what should that tell you?
April 25th, 2022 at 2:35 pm
LMAO at all the comments packaging a 2022 5th/6th round pick WE DONT EVEN HAVE!!!
April 25th, 2022 at 2:57 pm
I don’t think Toney or Pitts is on Trask’s Christmas card list. They abandoned him in a bowl game, and Trask hasn’t recovered from it.
I would pass, he has been a hurricane of problems in NY, he won’t be better back here with his homeboys. He had a few run-ins while in high school too, so NY wasn’t an anomaly.
April 25th, 2022 at 3:02 pm
Just make sure Darden is a part of that package and get him out of here before he admits he really is Dexter Jackson the former Appalachian State great please…
April 25th, 2022 at 3:46 pm
Darden scouting report:
Speed: not fast for his size
Hands: not good
Returns: terrible, loves running East to West, if he’s not falling down on his own
NY Giants: WE NEED THAT GUY!!!!!
April 25th, 2022 at 4:16 pm
No question for a 3rd rd pick, but I read the Giants want more than that. Watched him 4 years at Florida. Besides he’s agility, one of his best attributes is his ability to break tackles. He very rarely was tackled on first contact and thats in the SEC filled with top defenders. I dont think Ive seen Darwin break any tackles. Just on Punt and Kickoff Return alone he’s worth the 3rd rd pick to prevent Darwin from ever seeing the field. Whatever they would get out of him as a WR would be gravy. Probably can use him effectively on reverses and WR screens. Brady, Evans and Godwin would also make great mentors
April 25th, 2022 at 4:19 pm
The same Kaderious Tony who said that everyone needs to cut Henry Ruggs slack? The one who doesn’t study the playbook? No thanks …
April 25th, 2022 at 4:42 pm
Hell yea. I like it. And especially if Kyle Trask takes over when Tom is done. Would be a killer combination.
I am actually a Seminole fan, but I like it when the BUCS bring in Gators too. Truly. Bulls & Canes too.
April 25th, 2022 at 4:59 pm
I dont know….
April 25th, 2022 at 5:01 pm
Do it!!
April 25th, 2022 at 5:12 pm
how about we trade players–send Trask for Toney
April 25th, 2022 at 5:36 pm
No way! He is another Antonio Brown. Didn’t we learn a lesson last year. Run, run far and fast from this guy!
April 25th, 2022 at 7:48 pm
The guy is definitely more talented than Darden, I would give up a 4th in the 2023 draft, however, it can be upgraded to a 3rd pick if Toney isn’t a head case.
April 25th, 2022 at 8:42 pm
Many scouts didn’t consider him worth drafting due to injury history and a lot of smoke off the field. No way. At least AB proved he can produce on the field. Toney hasn’t.
April 25th, 2022 at 9:05 pm
Don’t waste draft picks for a returner/gadget. See if they’ll take a trade for one of the many marginals (T Johnson, Darden, etc.). Otherwise, no.
April 25th, 2022 at 10:19 pm
For those who say they are in favor of trading for Toney I suggest you do a little research on him. He is a total head case! Can’t control his emotions! Sound familiar? You might have Act-2 of a player being terminated during a game!
April 25th, 2022 at 11:51 pm
We can afford to take a flyer on him but I’d give a 3rd rounder in the 2023 draft. We don’t have enough picks this year. That Kyle Trask connection is intriguing.
April 26th, 2022 at 12:13 am
I don’t know him personally, but from what I’ve heard the kid is a head case. If it were strictly talent, then yes absolutely take it… but also need to ask, do we really need Antonio Brown Part II? I say for that reason, a 3rd Rd is a little too much, gotta consider the risk.
April 26th, 2022 at 12:20 am
Izod Says:
April 26th, 2022 at 12:13 am
I don’t know him personally, but from what I’ve heard the kid is a head case. If it were strictly talent, then yes absolutely take it… but also need to ask, do we really need Antonio Brown Part II?
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You mean the part where the team, with AB won a SB, and without him did not, that guy?
April 26th, 2022 at 12:22 am
I’d gladly take Toney, even with a decent pick at stake. He was injured a lot last year, but when he played, with a garbage QB, he still looked pretty good. With the Bucs he’d step right in at #2 or #3 with Godwin out, and then be a fantastic #4 when he’s back.
If the Bucs could flip like a 4th or 3rd rounder on him, I’m all onboard with that.
April 27th, 2022 at 8:36 am
Trade a 4th rounder and Darden…Kid has talent….plus might just need a new start. Working with Brady, Evans, and Godwin in our receiver room will get the kid’s head on straight…
April 28th, 2022 at 12:35 am
Love all your Darden comments, esp Joe in M”s scouting report which sums it up. I didn’t know of all those Toney problems as he looked so good on the field. Thanks for the info.
April 30th, 2022 at 11:05 pm
What was his behavior when with Trask? Did he have an attitude problem back then? Was he a problem child? From what I read he really wasn’t. He had a few incidents maybe one was juvenile but it seems the biggest issue is his side interest in becoming a rap star. So maybe one has to question where his heart really is. Then also look where he is, the NFC version of the Jets so maybe he’s just trying to get out. Who knows, but NYC shopping him would not be a reason not to trade for him seeing how dysfunctional they are sticking with Danny Dimes as well. If he liked playing with Trask well the GOAT ain’t no pushover and he could play for both