Report: GM Says Jimmy Garoppolo Is Worth A Third-Round Pick And Don’t Expect Him To Play More Than 12 Games

February 20th, 2022

Bucs GM Jason Licht

Our beloved Buccaneers need a starting quarterback, unless you’re the kind of fan sitting around cradling your Blaine Gabbert or Kyle Trask jersey.

And that’s ok. Trask may be a star-in-waiting and Gabbert, well, everyone deserves a few lovers.

Longtime NFL insider for ESPN, Chris Mortensen, has many NFL executives in his phone contacts and Joe caught “Mort” talking about one during his visit to KNBR radio in San Francisco on Tuesday.

Mortensen sounded like a guy who fell over in his chair when the show host mentioned that Niners QB Jimmy Garoppolo is likely to fetch a first-round pick in a trade, possibly to Washington.

No chance, Mortensen said, before revealing what an NFL general manager told him.

“Giving up a first-rounder for Jimmy Garoppolo, Jimmy does not have that kind of reputation,” Mortensen began. “…. You know, you’re probably getting 12 games max out of him; I talked to a GM that is looking for a quarterback and he goes, ‘And [durability] is the problem with him, and that’s why he’s a third-round value in terms of what you’d give up for him.'”

Garoppolo lost two games to injury last year, played through a bad thumb in the playoffs and missed 10 games in 2020 with a high-ankle sprain. In 2018, Jimmy GQ blew out his ACL in Week 3.

Yes, it’s fair to call Jimmy GQ injury-prone as he approaches his 31st birthday.

82 Responses to “Report: GM Says Jimmy Garoppolo Is Worth A Third-Round Pick And Don’t Expect Him To Play More Than 12 Games”

  1. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Don’t forget his fat contract and inability to lead comebacks or game-winning drives.

  2. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Forget Jimmy G….let’s go with any of the following for a cheaper price without giving up a draft pick…..

    Gabbert, Trask, Bridgewater, Dalton, Flaco, Trubisky, Winston, Fitz

    But my favorite is to coax Andrew Luck out of retirement…..

  3. Marine Buc Says:

    There are several different scenarios that could happen.

    1 – TB12 decides in June he likes what the Bucs did in the off season and decides to return to the Bucs. (less than 5% chance)

    2 – TB12 gets traded to a team who wants to chase a SB with a legit QB – Vegas, SF, Indy and Tenn. are all candidates. Then we would end up with Carr, Jimmy G, Wentz or Tannehill. (10-15% chance)

    3 – TB12 stays retired and we re-sign Gabbert to a cheap incentive laden deal and let him compete with Trask. (65% chance)

    4 – TB12 stays retired and the Bucs make a major move for Watson. (5% chance)

  4. Niles Says:

    “unless you’re the kind of fan sitting around cradling your Blaine Gabbert or Kyle Trask jersey”

    Belichick cradled his Mac Jones jersey and now he’s a step ahead of the Bucs developing his team for the future. But then Belichick knows a thing or two.

  5. Jerry Says:

    Better have a backup plan if you go with Gabbert. Gabbert will last 3 weeks as a starter before he’s pulled.

  6. Casual Observer Says:

    Marine Buc – Those probability estimates don’t look bad to me. In the ballpark, at least.

  7. Marine Buc Says:

    @ Jerry

    I agree.

    The backup plan is called Kyle Trask…

    We need to know what he is capable of while playing in a real NFL game.

  8. Gerinda Says:

    No!!! he throws so many intercepted!!!

  9. Marine Buc Says:

    @ Casual


    I try to keep it real…

  10. Tuddy Time Says:

    If the stories are true, BA is the one who needs to retire. TB12 blames him for running AB off. Let BL take over. Suddenly, TB12 gets the itch to come back, BL embraces AB, and Gronk comes back. Then, we’re favored to go back to the SB.

  11. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I also like your percentages… could add Rodgers, Wilson to your #4 and still have the same 5% chance.

    What chance would you give Andrew Luck coming out of retirement? 6.5%?

  12. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Got a new nickname for Deshaun……..”Debauchery” Watson.

  13. allbuccedup Says:

    Tuddy Time I agree!

  14. allbuccedup Says:

    Save$ sign Gabbert and Trubisky and between them and Trask play the hot hand. Trubisky did make the pro bowl one year maybe all he needs is one more chance. Its better than paying 25 plus mil to two average QBs in Garopollo or Wentz.

  15. Marine Buc Says:

    @ TBBF

    Less than 5%.

    Even if Luck decides to un-retire we would still have to trade for him. If Luck is fully healthy and can return to form I believe the Colts would trade away Wentz and keep Luck as their QB.

    However – even if Luck somehow gets traded to the Bucs we would still need to pay him @ $27-$35 million per year. This creates a whole different problem for the Bucs given their current cap position and number of free agents we have to sign…

    This is why I give the Gabbert/Trask scenario a much higher probability.

  16. Crickett Baker Says:

    Idk. Every time I mention a still good QB that Donald said the NFL needed to be fired (by name) Joes do not publish my comment. I have no idea why. Biden would most certainly let him play, I bet, and he would be cheap.

  17. SB Says:

    Bring in Jimmy G.
    Trask will beat him out in TC most likely. If not He will be the starter by week 6

  18. Marine Buc Says:

    @ TBBF

    If a Brady/Luck trade could be worked out… That would be interesting because we would be able to swap out some of Brady’s cap hit with Luck’s new salary cap hit.

    Still below 5% IMO.

  19. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Marine what about Gabbert/Trask & one other FA QB brought in like Trubisky, Mariota, Dalton etc.

  20. Tom McHern Says:

    It’s okay, you TB fans don’t want a winning QB, we’re more than happy in Pittsburgh to win, don’t care about individual player stats… Good day fans! 31 is old? Say Happy Birthday to your former QB!

  21. Greg Says:

    PLEASE STOP!!! Stop rating Quarterbacks on wins and losses unless you give the disclaimer… Jimmy was on a team that ran the ball and played defense. HE did not EVER carry the team nor could he. He is like Winston. He ALWAYS throws interceptions and will lose games. Unlike Winston he doesnt have the arm. Hes horrible to anyone that actually watches football instead of lazily reading stats. Not saying Joe said it but the BSPN guys are horrible. Watson would be incredible if 40 women were suddenly all in a scam together until then his only competition is Bill Cosby

  22. Bqen green Says:

    You would think backing up Brady all those years, Jimmy would’ve learned how to fall down without killing himself. When he’s healthy and playing well, he’s a top 15 QB. Problem is that happens too seldom. He had a chance to go back to NE. The compensation had already been worked out. He nixed the trade because he wasn’t willing to take a pay cut. Something to be said about a guy who would rather play for a team that didn’t want him, just to get paid. He’ll be a career journeyman, bouncing around the league. Nobody is going to give huge guaranteed dollars to a guy that isn’t reliable.

  23. Wild Bill Says:

    I like Brady to Dolphins for Tua. Dolphins came on strong in the second half of the season and could make the playoffs with Brady. Bucs get a young QB with good potential and unload Brady contract. Bucs have plenty of money for free agents. Brady gets to play in his new hometown, yacht in his backyard direct to the Atlantic in stead of Tampa Bay. His wife gets the Miami life style year round, a society girl playground. Bigger city, bigger market, international pizazz. San Francisco and California suck for too many reasons to list here. Let’s make a deal!

  24. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Wild Bill…

    And Brady could face and beat the Patriots twice a year and kick them out of the division lead….nice.

  25. Marine Buc Says:

    @ TBBF

    It’s possible we bring in another QB FA to compete with Gabbert/Trask but not highly likely due to the Bucs limited salary cap situation paired with having to 26 free agent holes to fill.

    Bringing in Mariota/Dalton/Bridgewater/Turbisky would be cheap options in most situations but put it this way… Would you rather have Cappa/Jenson/Whitehead or Andy Dalton in our QB mix.

    No easy answers this year.

    Give it a 5-10% chance we bring in a third QB to compete with Gabbert/Trask mainly due to our salary cap/free agent situation…

  26. Bqen green Says:

    Tua sucks.

  27. Niles Says:

    “Bqen green Says:
    Tua sucks.”

    He sure does. But he was hyped and celebrated like all these “athletic” quarterbacks are, the vast majority of which suck (see: Justin Fields).

    I bet Joe and his fellow Trask haters thought Tua was a splendid selection at Round-1-Pick-5 by the Dolphins, especially when Justin Herbert was still available! LMAO.

  28. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I tend to agree……but if we can’t afford one of those FA QBs….we certainly shouldn’t be even talking about Jimmy G, Watson, Rodgers, Wilson, Carr etc….so all of these QB being rolled out to us daily on JBF are simply pie in the sky.

    I think Licht is trying to give it a go but won’t succeed & we’ll end up with Gabbert/Trask. But at least we will probably keep Godwin, Whitehead, Cappa & Davis (perhaps)….these guys were our draft picks & have done well.
    We may even keep Howard at a very low salary…probably not Rojo
    I think we’ll let Jensen go….along with Suh.
    We’ll need to draft a DT in round 1 or 2……& perhaps a CB.
    I think we’ll go with Vaughn, a cheap FA & a draft pick at RB

    A good time to get younger….

  29. SB Says:

    Rojo is gone. Period.

  30. Marine Buc Says:

    @ TBBF

    I agree.

    More than likely we will be rolling the dice at QB this year. But that gamble will allow us to rebuild this roster and fingers crossed we draft well in April.

    The entire NFC South is a mess so we still stand a chance…

  31. yo Says:

    Looks like he wants to drag down the perception trade value of him

  32. Bqen green Says:

    Why do y’all keep bringing up the cap? It’s lunacy. If ownership wants to spend on a QB, be it draft comp. and or real dollars, they can. These teams have budgets, real dollar budgets, that have very little to do with the cap. Even if a front office is stupid enough to get into cap jail, it’s become a one or two year problem at most. The NFL has a tremendously fungible cap. It comes down to an ownerships desire to win. Sure you can get into trouble with the cap, but the days of years upon years of penalties is a thing of the past. If the bucs don’t go after one of these top QBS, it’s because ownership doesn’t think it’ll be able to field a Superbowl team, and isn’t willing to shell out the resources. Owners can keep cashing revenue sharing checks, get rich, and still suck. The NFL is like an upside down pyramid scheme. Why you people still believe in the myth of the cap is beyond Ben’s understanding. Ben has yet to find a cap problem that can’t be fixed on a cocktail napkin.

  33. Bobby M. Says:

    I could live with Jimmy G…..the guy has won fairly consistently as a game manager, he’s young and would be a good benchmark for trask to overtake. When healthy, he’s made it further in the playoffs then Rodgers and Wilson the last few years and would be substantially cheaper than these other guys. I also believe Jimmy G would fit well in our locker room. He’s played behind Brady before, he knows what comes with that and he seems to get along well wherever he goes vs a guy like Wentz that seems to wear out his welcome everywhere he goes.

  34. allbuccedup Says:

    Marine Buc we could bring in a third QB and cut who sucks the most after the last pre season game. Between Gabbert, Trask and the third one I am sure it will be neck and neck.

  35. Marine Buc Says:

    @ allbuccedup

    Agreed. As long as we are able to sign them to a contract with zero signing bonus/guaranteed money.

    We don’t need anymore dead cap space…

  36. Tom Sumner Says:


  37. Jeffbuc Says:

    I would personally like to sign gabbert back and also sign trubisky to a 4-5 year deal with a little security for two years of the contract. I think he would be a good starter here with an actual real offense. He made the pro bowl in Chicago. There unwatchable on offense. It was a Junior varsity offense and go look at his stats they will surprise you. And he has decent running ability where he can get a couple 3rd and 9s a game with his legs. Google his stats against the Bucs last time he faced us. I would lock him up to a 5 year 40 million contract 10 guaranteed after year two can release with no harmful cap issues. If he flourished like I believe he can we have a good an on basically a rookie contract. And can put talent around him.

  38. Brandon Says:

    He’s due $26 mil this year. He isn’t worth his contract. Nobody will trade for that contract.

  39. steele Says:

    Brady, the most insanely competitive SOB in history besides Michael Jordan, put up with Jittery G in NE, but there is no love lost.

    Jimmy, a cocky guy, once boasted that he was better than Brady. This was around the time he had his first good run of games for SF, when he looked like the golden boy.

    In a half-mocking panel show, he expressed his disgust at having been passed over for Jittery G by the 49ers. Although he refrained from naming which team, it was pretty obvious. “They went with THAT M–F—?”

    Jittery is exactly who he is. Alex Smith, minus all toughness. Panics and cracks under pressure. Comedy, unless that’s your team that just lost a big game. Treat him like an ancient noodle armed Peyton Manning, give him a complete offense that doesn’t require him to do much. Keep the pretty boy clean and untouched, he’ll look slick with his short passes. Until hurts himself again (guaranteed).

  40. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It sure is refreshing to discuss FA & the Draft instead of this Brady drama speculation mess…..
    I don’t know about anybody else but I’m ready to move on…..

  41. New England Patriots Fan Says:

    For anyone saying Luck.

    Please go to YouTube search “ Andrew Luck shares advice on playing in big games | College GameDay” this was Andrew a month ago.

    He is thinner then I’ve ever seen him in his life as an adult. All muscle gone, looks to be on a low carb or keto diet, as the guy could be confused now for a engineer or nerdy architect which he is.

    He is completely out of NFL shape required for his type of play.

    He would need to take at least 2 cycles of PED and go on a 1 year camp to get into form to play again in NFL if he had to regain all that muscle lost.

  42. Marine Buc Says:

    @ New England

    I said the same exact thing about Gronk a few years back… It’s amazing what modern day “training” can do…

  43. New England Patriots Fan Says:

    These are the current 18 largest per year contracts for QBs in NFL. Rodgers, Wilson, Carr and Cousins are seeking 40m/y plus after it before this season starts. Murray is also pushing for his Mahomes/Allen deal. And Stafford wants to be paid as he won a SB.

    The only cheap non rookie QBs are Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jamiese Winston and Andy Dalton. Just because Tampa does not want to spend doesn’t mean every other team won’t pay market rates for QBs which 30m-45m/y for a moderate to great vet.
    Top 5 QBs will seek 50m/y by 2023 on new contracts.
    If people thing in 2022 Jimmy or Carr or Cousins or other upper vet mid tier QBs, will not seek upper 30m to 40m/y they don’t understand the market. The cheapest vet starter in NFL who played an entire season was Tom Brady at 25m/y

    Patrick Mahomes
    Quarterback |
    2020-2031 (FA: 2032) 24 10 $450,000,000 $45,000,000
    Josh Allen
    Quarterback |
    2021-2028 (FA: 2029) 25 6 $258,034,000 $43,005,667
    Dak Prescott
    Quarterback |
    2021-2024 (FA: 2025) 27 4 $160,000,000 $40,000,000
    Deshaun Watson
    Quarterback |
    2020-2025 (FA: 2026) 24 4 $156,000,000 $39,000,000
    Russell Wilson
    Quarterback |
    2019-2023 (FA: 2024) 30 4 $140,000,000 $35,000,000
    Jared Goff
    Quarterback |
    2019-2024 (FA: 2025)
    Originally signed w/ LAR 24 4 $134,000,000 $33,500,000
    Aaron Rodgers
    Quarterback |
    2018-2023 (FA: 2024) 34 4 $134,000,000 $33,500,000
    Kirk Cousins
    Quarterback |
    2020-2022 (FA: 2023) 31 2 $66,000,000 $33,000,000
    Carson Wentz
    Quarterback |
    2019-2024 (FA: 2025)
    Originally signed w/ PHI 26 4 $128,000,000 $32,000,000

    Matt Ryan
    Quarterback |
    2018-2023 (FA: 2024) 32 5 $150,000,000 $30,000,000
    Ryan Tannehill
    Quarterback |
    2020-2023 (FA: 2024) 31 4 $118,000,000 $29,500,000
    12 Jimmy Garoppolo
    Quarterback |
    2018-2022 (FA: 2023) 26 5 $137,500,000 $27,500,000
    13 Matthew Stafford
    Quarterback |
    2017-2022 (FA: 2023)
    Originally signed w/ DET 29 5 $135,000,000 $27,000,000
    14 Derek Carr
    Quarterback |
    2017-2022 (FA: 2023)
    Originally signed w/ OAK 26 5 $125,000,000 $25,000,000
    Tom Brady
    Quarterback |
    2021-2022 (FA: 2023) 43 1 $25,000,000 $25,000,000
    Taysom Hill
    Quarterback |
    2021-2025 (FA: 2026) 31 4 $40,000,000 $10,000,000
    17 Ryan Fitzpatrick
    Quarterback |
    2021-2021 (FA: 2022)
    Originally signed w/ WAS 38 1 $10,000,000 $10,000,000
    18 Andy Dalton
    Quarterback |
    2021-2021 (FA: 2022) 33 1 $10,000,000

  44. New England Patriots Fan Says:

    Yes Gronks year away did wonders for his body. Haha

  45. QB1 Says:

    We should save money on the QB1 spot and see what Trask gives us for one season. Bring in a cheap veteran to back him up in case of disaster. Next season will be a sh** show anyway. No Brady means the focus and preparation levels will go back to Winston times. And until we get rid of the DC and OC, we aint doing jack. Spend money on the important skill positions and build around them until we cut the drift wood.

  46. allbuccedup Says:

    New England Patriots Fan Mahomes one SB win, Russell Wilson one SB win, Aaron Rodgers one SB win and Matthew Stafford one SB win. Tom Brady seven SB wins at a much lower cost. I would venture to say with the exception of Mahomes none of these other three will ever win another SB. So why waste your money and time. Wilson and Rodgers are too much into them selves and Stafford has finally played on a winnig team and wont know how to handle himself next year. Brady is the only QB that can come in and take an average team to the SB sorry Bucs fans its all about Tom!!!!!!!!!

  47. Pelsbuc61 Says:

    No need to mortgage the future with the available list of QBs. I agree to start Gabbert and let Trask play to see what they have. Need to invest in the trenches. A good Dline will make average DBs look good and a good Oline will make average RBs look good. A good offensive and defensive coordinator can hide weaknesses.

  48. Mort Says:

    Oh yeah – he’s also bad. We have a second round pick QB on the roster who I’d MUCH rather have start than give up anything for this dude.

  49. Eckwood Says:

    Is Watson now the QB in Washington ??

  50. steele Says:

    NEPatsFan, that’s what I’ve been saying too. The QBs in this offseason will be demanding and getting OUTRAGEOUS $$. Avoid that trap and go youth. Draft Pickett. Or do some creative scouting and find a sleeper. Scour NFL rosters for second stringers who only need better coaching, who deserve starting jobs. Figure out Trask right now, assign him a value, and either do something useful with him, or use him in a trade.

    Lower expectations. The Brady era is over.

  51. skw Says:

    Game managers don’t have the highest career yards per attempt and per completion among current NFL quarterbacks, or the highest rate of 4th quarter comebacks. Game managers don’t generate two-thirds of a teams yards, so stand at 3rd in career completion percentage, or third in passing first downs rate, or change a team of 4-20 without him in 2017-20 to 19-5 and a Super Bowl with him. Maybe most of all, game managers don’t generate an incredible career road record of 19-6, just fractions behind Mahomes. Neither do average, serviceable, middle-of-the-road quarterbacks do any of those things either.

  52. steele Says:

    Tuddy, there are a lot of BA fans in here who would take issue with your line of thinking. I don’t. If indeed Brady quit because of BA, “him or me”, then Licht needs to pay attention. In that scenario, who needs BA?

    In any case, Licht needs to sit down with Brady and clear this crap up now, if it hasn’t already happened. The team needs clarity. Time’s wasting. Moves need to be made.

  53. Proud Bucs Fan Says:

    Brady does not like bruce arrogance.

  54. New England Patriots Fan Says:

    Tom Brady’s retirement won’t last too long … so says Antonio Brown who explained Thursday night he believes his former quarterback isn’t done with football just yet.

    TMZ Pap: Antonio do you think Tom Brady gonna retire for good?
    AB: “why would he do that?”
    TMZ Pap: is he coming back?
    AB: “I think so”
    TMZ Pap: Where will he play Tampa bay again or 49ers?
    AB: “whomever wanna win” haha

  55. sasquatch Says:

    I’d rather roll with Trask than give up draft picks for a mediocre player.

  56. Beeej Says:

    We could pay a SH*Tload of precious cap money and picks for JimmyG, for the same output we’d likely get from Blaine Gabbert

  57. sasquatch Says:

    I don’t know where people come up with Bruce Arians being arrogant. I don’t see it, don’t get it.

  58. BUCman Says:

    The Gabbert/Trask combo is the way to go for sure! All the high priced options we could trade for would set us back for a decade after loosing all the draft picks we will have give up. And the salary they will command will eat up too much of the cap. Gabbert has a big advantage over all the free agent QB’s who are available because he has been in Arians system for 4 years (1 yr in Arizona & 3 in Tampa). Bringing in one of these very average free agents may not cost you an arm and a leg but there will be a huge learning curve. Arians system is difficult to adapt to. None of them are that much better than Gabbert that it’s worth putting in the time and effort to teach it to them. Let Gabbert hold down the fort while they continue to develop Trask. It most likely will be a tough year in 2022 no matter who we have because we have one of the hardest schedule in the league next year. Giving Trask some spot playing time in 2022 would help ease him in. If all goes well we could have our starting QB for years to come going into 2023 with Trask. This option also allows us to keep our core free agents players and keep all our draft picks to fill out a solid roster going forward.

  59. Proud Bucs Fan Says:

    Man it will be nice when this blowhard retires and we don’t have to hear him anymore. TampaBay is gratefull for TB12 not Arians coaching. No Super Bowl without Tom Brady.

  60. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Proud Bucs Fan

    No Super Bowl without Brady? 100% correct

    No Super without Arians? Also correct. Tom Brady didn’t win the Super Bowl by himself, don’t be silly.

  61. New England Patriots Fan Says:

    Author Lars Anderson “A Season in the Sun” shares details about the awkward first meeting between Arians and Rob Gronkowski in Tampa on the Colin Cowherd broadcast on YouTube search “ Bruce Arians to Gronk: ‘You stupid motherf**ker!’ | Prime Cuts” and in his book

    According to Lars Anderson at the First team staff meeting in 2020 season summer 2020, BA and close confident 82y old Tom Moore, address everyone “says if any you mother f, get us infected I have a gun and I’ll you shoot you in knees” half joking half threatenting. Understandable with his age and bad health he was terrified of C19.

    According to Lars Anderson on BA and Rob G in 2020, BA didn’t want Rob G in 2020, thought he washed stated when calling games for CBS Rob couldn’t get separation, had body armour and Gronk was a broken player.

    Lars said in retrospect BA and Licht talking to Brady worked on blind faith as didn’t want Rob, they sign Rob without a workout for Tom.

    First day at one buc place future HOF RG comes in with a Bucs staffer. He gets on elevator to second floor and a staffer gets in with him. This was during pandemic and signs on elevator states 1 person per elevator. Doors open BA standing there with RG and staffer. Bruce Arians to Gronk: ‘You stupid motherf**ker!’ Goes off for Rob for minutes swearing about not reading signs or following protocol and Rob says nice to meet you coach.

    When I saw this Cowherd interview 2 month ago I completely understood the AB situation, as I realized BA was insanely scared of C19 and scared about it with his health and age etc. That he would at first meeting with the greatest Tight End in NFL, a much bigger star than BA, Gronk, go nuts on the elevator protocol that if true he was a major hot head.

  62. Jeebs the Honey Bear Says:

    I’d take my chances with Trask over Jimmy G. He completely bottlenecked an otherwise potent Niners offense, and watched as the team dragged him to the NFC championship game only to throw it away. He is a replacement level player at best.

  63. Cobraboy Says:

    I want a Gabbert bobble-head.

  64. EEK Says:

    Jimmy will take this team to the playoffs

    I think he’d be a great player for the Bucs

    I hope it happens

  65. Buc1987 Says:


    Why do all these Pats fans stay and post on JBF even after Brady retired?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Go away!

  66. Buc1987 Says:


  67. adam from ny Says:

    okay…. so josh “hogwash” rosen is the future… 🙁

    the future’s got us all tight, no need for shades

  68. adam from ny Says:

    currently we might be the “most stressed out in the off season” 12+ win team in the history of the nfl…

    usually 12-13 wins has you coasting thru the offseason like a mofo…

    not here in bucsville…nah

  69. SB Says:

    Trask will beat out Jimmy G
    Then we will have a semblance of what our QB future will be.

  70. Defense Rules Says:

    Marine Buc Says:
    February 20th, 2022 at 2:42 pm

    Like those scenarios & percentages. Some good exchanges on ideas in this thread. Sorry I missed it (went to the Silver Spurs Rodeo over in Kissimmee yesterday PM; the bull riding especially reminded me a lot of some of the exchanges I read in JBF).

    Scenario 3 with its 65% probability (Gabbert-Trask competition) surely seems to be the most likely direction that we’ll go, not so much because we want to but more-so because we have limited options in 2022 (BUCman summarized that very nicely with his 10:00 PM comment).

    Personally think that there’ll be 1 more competitor in there however, and that he’ll be relatively cheap on a 1-year incentive-laden contract (lots of QBs with average to below-average W-L records out there right now who’ll be looking to reinvent themselves with a decent team like the Bucs). In any event, I think we’ll know which direction Bucs will be going in within the next 4 weeks (shortly after FA starts).

    Read an article yesterday that stated the Bucs are in the 6th best position in terms of being able to free up CAP space by massaging their roster. Unfortunately they didn’t give any REAL numbers, but if correct then that’s encouraging simply because we have so many holes to fill (roughly half our 53-man roster).

  71. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Defense Rules Says:
    February 21st, 2022 at 4:22 am
    Read an article yesterday that stated the Bucs are in the 6th best position in terms of being able to free up CAP space by massaging their roster. Unfortunately they didn’t give any REAL numbers, but if correct then that’s encouraging simply because we have so many holes to fill (roughly half our 53-man roster).
    I saw this too, I think they said the Bucs could easily create about $68 million in cap space.

  72. Defense Rules Says:

    Joe in Michigan … Thanks; didn’t remember the number but without details about how they arrived at it then it becomes hard to tell the true impact on not just this year but future years.

    In any event Joe, the Bucs’ 2022 salary CAP position is probably not as bad as some seem to feel, nor as good as others pretend it is. So many variables at this point, meaning to me that all those numbers are just a guess right now.

    One thing I am sure of though: even $68 mil won’t go very far with roughly 25 new bodies to sign, and especially if we spend a huge chunk of it for a high-priced QB. Also pretty sure that you don’t EFFECTIVELY replace a stud future HOFer like Ndamukong Suh with a less expensive Swaggy Baker type. Bucs have ‘been there, done that’ … it was ugly.

  73. Joe in Michigan Says:

    One thing I am sure of though: even $68 mil won’t go very far with roughly 25 new bodies to sign, and especially if we spend a huge chunk of it for a high-priced QB. Also pretty sure that you don’t EFFECTIVELY replace a stud future HOFer like Ndamukong Suh with a less expensive Swaggy Baker type. Bucs have ‘been there, done that’ … it was ugly.

  74. Rod Munch Says:

    Winston is free, cost less salary, and is better.

  75. Marine Buc Says:

    @ Defense Rules/Joe in Mich

    There are several articles that discuss the salary cap topic…

    Pewter did one last week and they had the Bucs at @ $35-$40 million (depending on if you want to cut kicker/punter)

    Greg Aumen did an article a few days back and he had the Bucs at @ $45 million (again – cutting our kicker and punter)

    So the $68 million mentioned seems to be a bit high but perhaps use that number as our ceiling and say the range is between $35-$60 million…

    I’m cool with that. This number will also depend on TB12 helping the Bucs out by reducing his 2022 payout from the Bucs (which is not guaranteed to happen).

  76. Defense Rules Says:

    Marine Buc … Gut feel is that the range $30 – $60 mil is probably a fair estimate at this point. Not a big fan of sliding things to future years though (too many teams get into trouble by ‘mortgaging their future’ using that technique). That said, I’d just as soon keep our QB position group costs relatively low this year (combined $10 mil or less let’s say) by having Trask/Gabbert/one other compete AND pay Brady what we owe him.

    Focus IMO needs to be on ‘reloading’ the offense, defense AND S/Ts as best we can without breaking the bank in 2022. NFC South isn’t nearly as strong as it used to be, so we may very well still be competitive in the division, even without Brady. Keys to me are (1) solidifying the OLine; (2) locking up Godwin AND Fournette (or a comparable RB weapon); (3) making sure we have a TE group that’s competitive; (4) solidify the DLine; (5) upgrade our Secondary. The remainder of that strategy calls for a lot of praying.

  77. allbuccedup Says:

    If we go Gabbert/Trask at least Trask will get a lot of playing time. After Gabberr plays 3 or 4 games he will be benched and Trask will play and dee what we got.

  78. allbuccedup Says:

    They call BA the qb whisperer but for every Manning and Luck there is a Rosen and Winston let that sink in.

  79. Joe in Michigan Says:

    “The Bucs could create up to $67.8 million in restructuring contracts according to Over the Cap’s Nick Korte. Auman highlighted Korte’s chart in an article on the Bucs’ salary cap situation for The Athletic. Auman noted that the Bucs realistically won’t clear that much but sees potential for $45 million.”

  80. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Right, Marine Buc.

  81. Marine Buc Says:

    @ DR

    I agree. I would start from the bottom and work my way up. Sign all our cheaper depth pieces first. Guys like Stinnie, Wells, Gabbert, Gholston, Bernard, Adams, Triner.

    Then work on the mid-level guys like Suh, Fournette, Cappa, JPP.

    Then work on the big boys – Jenson, Whithead, Davis, Godwin.

    We have at least 24 roster holes to fill out of 54. We probably can’t afford everyone so if we lose Jenson and Davis but bring everyone else back. I would be ok with that.

  82. Pronstar Jimmy Says:

    Jimmy is definitely worth a first. But the bucs can get him for next to nothing. They can trade him for rights to TB12. No other qb right now is going to take to deep in the playoffs, I can tell you that.