Keep Chucky In The Ring Of Honor

October 12th, 2021

In the wake of Chucky resigning as Raiders head coach amid revelations he used racial and homophobic references in e-mails to then-Washington general manager Bruce Almighty (the former Bucs GM) over a period of seven years, including a lewd reference to Bucs co-chairman Bryan Glazer, Joe is getting pounded with the following question:

Should Chucky remain in the Buccaneers Ring of Honor?

Joe states emphatically that he should.

This is in no way giving Chucky a pass or condoning his repulsive musings.

These e-mails were written after Chucky was fired by Team Glazer and while he was working for BSPN.

Keeping Chucky in the Ring of Honor acknowledges what Chucky did for the Bucs franchise, guiding it to its first Super Bowl win. Chucky also has the most victories in franchise history. Until Bucco Bruce Arians came along, Chucky was the team’s most accomplished coach.

If precedent is set removing Chucky from the Ring of Honor, you have a very difficult time stopping there. Simply put, Chucky isn’t the only sinner enshrined in the stadium — or on the roster.

In 2015, Joe traveled to Buffalo to see the Bucs’ preseason opener, also the debut of Jameis Winston. Sitting inside the stadium there, Joe was surprised to see O.J. Simpson proudly displayed on the team’s historic Wall of Fame. It’s a controversial topic in Buffalo, where the club has decided to not erase its history — which would make it harder to learn from that history.

The Bills did, however, unretire Simpson’s number a few years ago.

Joe is not comparing Chucky to a violent predator, merely providing perspective. Registered sex offender Lawrence Taylor also has a place in the Giants Ring of Honor, for example.

181 Responses to “Keep Chucky In The Ring Of Honor”

  1. AKicknTheBucNuts Says:

    I’m wishing Chucky into the cornfield.

  2. Joshua porter Says:

    Totally agree.

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    For those who want to exact punishment for Chucky…..it’s already happened….he had to resign a $100 mil job and will be banned for life from a career he loves.
    That’s enough for me….TBBF will always love Jon Gruden for what he did for our Bucss and he should be remembered for that….in the Ring of Honor.

  4. Medicated Pete Says:

    Pete went to RayJay last night and pulled down his name

  5. Medicated Pete Says:

    This is why Pete never writes things that might agitate someone

  6. Pruritus Ani Says:

    That’s just ridiculous. Of course, he shouldn’t be removed. This was a private conversation on a work computer that happened 10 years ago. No one is alleged to be injured or hurt. The outrage is laughable and indicative of the hypocrisy of some. These words, phrases, and even attitudes are often present in private conversations and emails. Unfortunately, at work, the expectation of privacy doesn’t exist.

    Secondly, I agree with your Simpson analogy Joe. Gruden wasn’t put in the Ring of Honor for his ability to write politically and culturally neutral emails. He’s in the Ring of Honor for the Super Bowl and no one can take that away.

  7. rrsrq Says:

    He told Bucs ownership to perform oral sex on him… that’s why he needs to come down, I would be petty like that, the Glazers boys bowed to pressure to put him up there, not the first time he disrespected the ownership.
    Those crying cancel culture or insensitivity – all types of things are said in a locker room, but you Gruden would get the side eye from his players now.
    Finally Coach B gets a chance, show em what you got

  8. 8l3bucboi Says:

    To this team, it B nothing! look at all the Sx assault players on this team! A brown and sherman should be wear’n the orange in county right now! Gru- dog need to come back to da 813 and start football camp for D youth!

    go bucs!

  9. mg Says:

    Kansas City and the nfl has no problem with a drug addict drunk coach ruining lives.

  10. Alan Collingwood Says:

    Consider how Penn State left Joe Paerno’s legacy intact! Oh, wait, they pulled his statue down and sold it for scrap. Nevermind

  11. Mike C Says:

    Yeah I could see the owner being like ” ohhh yeah chuckey, Suck My @#$%!.

  12. Defense Rules Says:

    ‘It’s a controversial topic in Buffalo, where the club has decided to not erase its history — which makes it harder to learn from that history.’

    Wow, what a concept; not erasing history so that we can learn from it. And yet over these past few years in our supposedly ‘politically correct culture’ we’ve toppled dozens & dozens of statues of historical figures who helped build this nation, whose ‘sin’ was acceptable for whatever reason when they lived yet isn’t now. We’re rewriting history daily to make it more acceptable to the blind among us.

  13. ModHairKen Says:

    Don’t erase history. It disserves all of the others who worked and earned it. Also, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

  14. Bucs Win Says:

    Bruce Allen, still torpedoing Chucky’s career all these years later. I’m not saying they should take his name down however he did mention the Owners directly so that might end being the reason they take him off the ROH. I don’t think the will though. BTW this has nothing to do with learning from history and neither do dumb a$$ statues of Confederate Traders.

  15. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Gruden was a great OC. That’s it. He couldn’t build or maintain it. He was along for the ride with the greatest DC and greatest Defense of that era. Without that D he don’t win sh!t. Leave his name on the ring because he was part of it, but recognize that he was also largely responsible for everything that followed that SB. He never used Alstott properly, and lied to his players. Sapp and Lynch should have finished their careers in Tampa. He should consider a career in politics. There’s a certain segment of our society that has no problem supporting a liar with their votes. Gruden would fit right in.

  16. Bird Says:

    It comes down to the glazers

    Who are about to get a ton of pressure from a ton of powerful outside groups to cancel gruden forever. Thats the world we live in today

  17. SB~LV Says:

    Scary modern society!
    Actions speak louder than words
    An apology is more than enough!
    Hopefully he lands in Jacksonville
    Could be all part of the plan.

  18. Nutbucer Says:

    100% agree with Bucs win, IMO this is not relevant to your “keep the statues (representing slavery and losing) up so we can learn from them” crowd lmfao. Keep him in the ROH.

  19. Medicated Pete Says:

    Gruden gets his own sports show on Fox News

  20. Dking Says:

    Ah yes those confederate traders…boy did their stock crash in the end

  21. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    So, now you cannot have a private conversation, and expect it to remain private.

  22. Q-Dog Says:

    Hell yea bring it down. Timeline of his actions doesn’t matter. He ran his mouth behind closed doors and a laptop and the trail was there. Don’t compare what the others did. That’s on the others to decide their fate. If he was running his mouth during the timeframe then there’s a good chance he was running his mouth wayyyyy before. His past just caught up with him. Again there’s a good chance he was saying dumb sh…..when he was our coach behind closed doors. Wake up yall. Wake up.

  23. The Man Says:

    You can have all the private chat you want. You may wanna be careful who you’re chatting with. Everyone is NOT your friend

  24. mg Says:

    Paging Dave Chappelle, can you unwoke America.

  25. allbuccedup Says:

    You can’t have any privacy anymore. Soon we will be accountable for what we think. But if your a billionaire, politican or superstar you can say and do what you want with no ramifications.

  26. ModHairKen Says:

    Roll call: HOW MANY WILL ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE EVER SAID, WROTE OR THOUGHT CRUDE COMMENTS ABOUT AN IDENTIFIABLE GROUP?

  27. Anonymous Says:

    Pete, you are the epitome of a Libtard. I bet you vote Democrat just so you can keep your medicine cabinet stocked with free pills knowing that a republican in office wouldn’t allow it. Pop another one, loser.

  28. Bucsfanman Says:

    Think twice before you hit ‘send’ or ‘enter’ because once it’s out there, it’s out there permanently.

    No, he should not be removed from the ROH.

    Being a public figure makes it far worse. He should know better.

  29. ClodHopper Says:

    I’ve forgiven players for worse. I forgave Jameis, AB, and even Mike Vick. But not ray lewis. Eff him

  30. westernbuc Says:

    Yeah I don’t think the family that raised money for Trump would be that sensitive

  31. Da_Preacher Says:

    Very valid points, People make mistakes, and do really dumb things at times, that they regret for life. But should we shun them for all eternity for those mistakes.
    The key is does we learn from them, and not repeat them.

  32. Stat guy Says:

    Meanwhile Watson still isn’t suspended with 22 accusers and forcing women’s head onto his Johnson. But Gruden said NFL shouldn’t have women refs

  33. Buc50 Says:

    Forgiving players is one thing. Forgiveness of people in position of power to higher and fire is a whole different thing all together. Not sure what people are missing here. Chucky had to go. Nothing to do with “wokeness” as that has been the conservative buzz word lately.

  34. Bella Rose Says:

    Hunter’s emails worse than Gruden’s

    Media ignored the crackhead’s

  35. BucsMinisiterFuller Says:

    Please explain your rationale to every player of color currently on the team or looking to play for the Buccaneers why the Buccaneers still regard him as worthy of the ring of honor.
    Please explain your rationale to every fan of color who goes to the game and sees End Racism on the helmets yet, has a tribute to a known racists in big letters at the stadium.
    He is no longer worthy of the Ring of Honor.

  36. Steven007 Says:

    I would assume he’s probably safe. The only variable would be his deep disrespect towards ownership itself. Would love to be a fly on the wall during their conversations about this topic which I’m sure they’re having today. In the end I think he stays and I think he should.

  37. Bucdan Says:

    So many mad at CONSEQUENCES.

    Private chat? Sure. No problem. But there could be consequences!

    That’s why your momma always said “If you’ve got nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all!” All about consequences and reactions.

    If you don’t want to deal with a negative blowback, don’t put yourself in a situation that could get you negative blowback.

    Gruden and his pals CHOSE to communicate in what they assumed (HAHA) was a private matter on a COMPANY NETWORK. The NUDITY OF OTHER WORKPLACE EMPLOYEES alone gets the majority of us fired on the spot.

    He offended people (may not be you, ok) and he has to deal with the outcome. That’s life. He’ll survive.

  38. Jason Says:

    It’s one thing to say these awful things about Goodell or other folks outside the organization, it’s another to say it about the Bucs’ Owner.

    That, I think, puts him in the “pull him off” category. There’s definitely some valid points regarding O.J. and L.T., I just think it hits different when Bryan Glazer comes to every game and has to see that dude’s name on the stadium after what he said.

    Still, the Glazers are conservative by nature, I doubt they’ll remove him from the Bucs’ Ring of Honor.

  39. ClodHopper Says:

    It is too wokeness. Don’t deny you’ve said word Buc50. If Mike Vick can play, Grudem should be able to coach. He had to go because people are more willing to forgive a dog beater than a guy who talks like a dck in private conversations.

  40. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Bucdan….Gruden was using his private email account.

  41. Steven007 Says:

    I’m no major gruden fan. Good coach who obviously got us over the hump and was pivotal in us winning the Super bowl. Always hated the narrative about him doing it with dungy’s team. Dungy wasn’t coach so it was no longer his team. And it certainly wasn’t his offense. Major roster changes. The defense though almost entirely intact because he wasn’t an idiot that way at least. Again if ownership wasn’t involved this is probably a no-brainer since his crimes were soft in nature. His biggest crime was being an idiot and writing stupid things. Though I’ve heard that historically he used that lip term he used for Smith all the time apparently in a non-racist way. Don’t care about him exchanging photos of women either. But disparaging ownership may or may not have been a bridge too far. We shall see.

  42. JA Says:

    There’s a big difference between erasing history and honoring its deleterious past.
    You don’t remove any of it from the history books, but you sure as hell don’t commend its dark side with an icon espousing its greatness.
    Hitler built the Autobahn and had the idea for the Volkswagen, although scantly produced until after his death. Should he have a bust along the German section of the Autobahn and a statue in front of a Volkswagen plant?
    Should the swastika have remained atop the Reich’s Chancellery?

    Gruden used language that’s usually abandoned after adolescence, if used at all. And he used that language in a context filled with hate, not humor.
    If someone said those things about you, a person who you trusted and made a millionaire countless times over, would you keep his photo on your office wall?

  43. westernbuc Says:

    Buc50 – Between this and the v card, I’m starting to think you guys don’t want anyone you disagree with to be employed.

    Fuller – No one wanted those stickers except BSPN and athletes trying to grow their brands. I’m not giving my team to those losers.

  44. Bucdan Says:

    Morgus…

    He was knowingly sending communications to Bruce Allen on Bruce Allen’s WFT company email. That’s how these emails got found. They were audited in the Snyder Scandal.

    He did this over multiple years.

  45. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Bucdan….Gruden was not being “audited”.

  46. Bucdan Says:

    “No one wanted those stickers except BSPN and athletes trying to grow their brands. I’m not giving my team to those losers.“

    Is there a source to this garbage? Or is this one of those “the info is out there everywhere, just look it up” arguments?

    What does ESPN even have to do with that thought process? They pay the NFL, not the other way around.

  47. Bradinator Says:

    Your work e-mails are not “yours”, nor are they “private”. Just a note to folks that don’t know that. Oh, and they never go away.

    Wonder what Mrs. Gruden thinks of him exchanging topless cheerleader pics?

    Ok, so I’m the Glazers. Some dude that used to work for me and I gave millions to, thinks I should do naughty things to him. I put his name up on my famous business office for everyone to see. It’s likely coming down.

    My opinion, I don’t care. Never cared about the Ring of Whatever. As far as Chucky is concerned, we dodged a bullet. He choose the Raiders instead of us when there was chance to do otherwise. We got Bruce who is just…better.

    On a better note, congrats to Rich Biasaccia on his HC position!

  48. Steven007 Says:

    Did not know that Biasaccia was elevated, that’s outstanding. Long overdue.

  49. Buc50 Says:

    westernbuc. Believe it or not, your mother had a v card for you to go to school.

    As for Gruden, you should write an email telling your CEO or even your former CEO to cozy up to your junk. Also, put in your email that you think he lives in the closet. Make sure it’s released so everyone sees it.

    Free speech protects you from the government, not pending unemployment.

  50. Bruce Blahak Says:

    he was fired cause he’s a pompous a**….and he never belonged in the “honor”…he and Allen sunk this team back into the abyss…smash the statue too, put a monument up of Selmon, THE Buccaneer…

  51. Bucdan Says:

    Morgus, I don’t know what to tell you.

    Gruden was not part of the WFT investigation. That is correct.

    However, this information was gatherer and distributed from that investigation.

    You do know that sometimes one investigation can lead to an investigation of another issue or bring other things to light that would have not been available?

    Corporate goes through this. An audit in one area uncovers problems in other areas. See NFL Network investigations regarding harassment. Started with one person and continued down the line: Sapp, Faulk, Heath Evans, etc.

    You don’t have to be part of the main investigation to be absolved of all consequences of your actions.

  52. Pickgrin Says:

    Wokeism, cancel culture, safe spaces, political correctness….

    No wonder this country is circling the drain

    Soft isn’t even the word

    Where is Full Metal Jacket’s Gunnery Sargeant Hartman when you need him to set us all straight?

  53. Countrybrew Says:

    Push a man from his job and shun him for life over mean words he said years ago in a private email but we should forgive a player for beating his wife or girlfriend or for touching women inappropriately in multiple cases last year. Yeah sounds legitimate! As long as you push your double standards you will not get any respect for what you are trying to accomplish.

  54. BucsMinisiterFuller Says:

    Does it matter how it was discovered that he is racist POS?
    It doesn’t matter how he got caught, it matters that he had the thought, physicaly typed it into an email, and sent it to another human being.
    Being a racist in private doesn’t make you any less of a racist.
    It is not a Ring of Winners, it is a Ring of Honor.
    Honor: to regard with great respect.
    Does Gruden still garner the respect to be included in the Ring of Honor?

  55. tampabuscsbro Says:

    No the football team was more came out.

    I really have no idea why everyone is this butt hurt about this in this comment section. He made these remarks over company email, they came out in an investigation into the football team being pieces of s#!t.

    Gruden could have just texted Bruce these things or emailed him privately and this would have never come out. This is gruden paying for the consequences of his actions.

  56. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Granted there should probably be things coming out soon about people I would hope.

  57. BucsMinisiterFuller Says:

    Pickgrin:
    Sgt Hartman died in his underpants in the men’s latrine without putting up a fight.

  58. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Agree with your take Joe.

    However, I don’t think lil’ webster is gonna approve.

  59. westernbuc Says:

    Buc50- Free speech is a principle, not a rule.

    If you’re fine living in a world where a massive corporation is leaking private e-mails to the press to force a coach out, then good luck with that. I’d like to live in a world where humans are allowed to redeem themselves, and are not at the mercy of the mob.

  60. spicoli Says:

    Reading the comments from the first article. I think most of us are looking at this from a different perspective and trying to place politics into his firing ie square peg, round hole.
    How about this from a leadership pov, how could the owner or Gruden effectively lead a team if Gruden has controversary and questionable character surrounding him? More than likely his past behaviors coming into light would take a hit on his leadership credibility towards the players. How could those players & assist coaches put 100% trust into his decision making if they can’t trust his character?

    Just some food for thought, lets attack each others arguments and not each other personally. Go BUCS!!!!

  61. Bucdan Says:

    Exactly nothing to do with wokeness or a “soft culture” lol wtf does that even mean?

    This is about CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

    Freedom of speech and though still exist people! But that doesn’t mean some won’t be offended! And it surely doesn’t guarantee that the people you offend do not control your job opportunities or paycheck!

    If you are offended, go back to when you were done watching the NFL…

  62. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Tampabuscsbro….Gruden was using his private email account.

  63. webster Says:

    I love how you guys are blaming gruden’s bigotry, hom0phobic, mysonginistics etc emails over a 7 year period on “woke culture” but you same yahoos wanted to “cancel” the players for kneeling. Oh yea all the im not watching the games or i am not buying nfl products or they should be cut or they should not be signed etc. That wasnt “cancel culture” or woke? Oh i get its only cancel culture when people who you dont agree with does it. Its not cancel culture when you do it. Gtfooh

  64. Ed Says:

    Gruden got fired, he will no longer be a part of the sport he has been so passionate about his entire life. His childish/dumb comments are now going to keep him out of public view.

    Gruden deserved to be let go as Bucs coach. His failure to work with Rich McKay showed he had no respect for a guy who helped build Raymond James stadium. His remarks show he never grew up.

    It doesn’t wipe out his accomplishments as an NFL head coach. If the Ring of Honor is about Buc football. Considering he didn’t say those things when he was a Buc employee he should get a pass.

    Please don’t compare this to Confederate monuments, those leaders fought and killed fellow Americans and stood up for a system of slavery that destroyed the lives of innocents and broke up families. No comparison should be made with Gruden’s asshole emails back the Civil War.

  65. Medicated Pete Says:

    Steve Duemig is looking up from Hell right now & saying “SEE… I TOLD YOU that Rich Bassatchia would be a head coach one day”

  66. Buc50 Says:

    Once your private email hits corporate email servers, they are no longer private. As was mentioned above, he could have texted his vile thoughts to Bruce privately. Again, if the phone belongs to the NFL, those texts are no longer private either.

    Gruden got what he deserved. Take him out of the ROH and remove his statue.

  67. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Now we need to examine construction workers’ emails. We’ll have the construction industry shut down in a week.

  68. Buc50 Says:

    The really sad part is CBD Medicated Pete makes more sense that half the posters here.

  69. Bruce Blahak Says:

    He could run for congress/president….checks all the boxes lol

  70. MRRR Says:

    Ring of Honor has the word “Honor” in it. Therefore, I think he should be removed. I don’t care what Buffalo and New York does. We can and should be better. Let’s keep honorable people in our Ring of Honor.

  71. rrsrq Says:

    He basically toldBucs ownership to F themselves. If for no other reason, he would come down off the ROH. He probably only went up there to appease certain fans because eventually Tony D was going to go up there as the architect for the winning culture the Bucs never experienced (and the Glazers first hire). Winth Monte, Dungy and McKay – that tells the Bucs coaching story.

  72. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    You may not want to hear this, but, “oppression” is not hearing words that offend you. Oppression is being told you can’t say certain words because you will offend someone else.

  73. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Morgus he was sending it to Dan Snyders work email.

  74. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Did I just say Dan Snyder JESUS ***BRUCE ALLEN’S Work email. His old but buddy he ran this team into the ground with.

  75. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Gruden apologized. Snyder STILL hasn’t apologized for “Redskins” (and all the other stuff that’s about to come out), but that’s all fine and dandy. This is unwarranted collateral damage.

  76. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Cancel Culture is a cruel bitch. I suspect she’s coming for Dungy next.

    Keep Chucky in the Ring of Honor!

    Let’s go Brandon!

    Peace, out…

  77. Stanglassman Says:

    But Brawndo’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes.

  78. BucsMinisiterFuller Says:

    Do we like having prime-time nationally televised Buccaneers games?
    You can bet the NFL will be pressuring the Glazers to pull that name down so as not to show it during Broadcasts.

  79. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The primary problem for the Glazers is they have a lose-lose situation….you leave him in the Ring….you set yourself up for hypocrisy with other player’s behavior…you take him down and you are cancelling obvious Buc history.

  80. Natron Says:

    This is a cautionary story for anyone that uses any form of electronic communication. Be it email, all activity on cell and even hardline phones. Everything you do can be monitored, and in the case of email everything is logged for anyone to look into for infinity.

  81. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Absolutely true Natron. But not what we collectively signed up for.

  82. BucsMinisiterFuller Says:

    Morgus,
    Actually you did sign up for it, you just didn’t read the terms & conditions when you agreed to it.

  83. BucsMinisiterFuller Says:

    I say we take down Gruden and replace him with Gramatica.
    Martin had as much to do with that winning season as Gruden IMHO.

  84. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    BMF, what I said (read it) was that “collectively” this isn’t what we signed up for. Individually, maybe you did, but collectively, I don’t believe we agreed to have any/all of our personal emails available for public viewing. In fact, just the opposite.

  85. webster Says:

    Whats also funny, gruden himself was part of “cancel culture” or wokeness. His emails stated that the kneeling football players should be fired. Well Well. Please explain this all you defenders of gruden. You can’t make this up.

  86. Mike C Says:

    So if a black man is ever recorded or over heard saying or writing (cracker or honky) he is automatically and forever a racist? Everyone wants equality until it applies to them.

  87. ClodHopper Says:

    “He could run for congress/president….checks all the boxes lol”

    Absolutely right Bruce! I know you weren’t going for this but the current guy has said much much worse and he got the most votes in the history of the country. Allegedly

  88. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Chucky is out of a job due to a witch hunt plain and simple; those emails would have remained buried if not for chucky’s contract and the owners not wanting that precedent. Vegas got out of the contract and chucky is not burning the league on the way out the door. There are abundantly way worse situations in the NFL than Gruden and his friends talking crap via emails. This society is getting really close to the Red Scare days & the truth of 1984.

  89. RCH Says:

    Another woke cancel culture maneuver by the Dems

  90. Davenport Says:

    This country has lost its way. Dig into anyone’s long past and you’ll find reason to “cancel” them. Its a joke and too be honest at 59, i am happy that i won’t be alive to see the worst.

    I pity you younger guys. The woke mod is taking over and this glorious country is dying a little bit every day

  91. tampabuscsbro Says:

    It’s really funny how many angry white old boomers come here to project cause they can’t do it on facebook and twitter.

    I don’t even entirely disagree with you guys. It’s just hysterical is all.

  92. Medicated Pete Says:

    Where Deuce Gruden gonna work now? Lolololo

  93. FrankPillow Says:

    Chucky-boy and buddy Brucie made their beds here…pls don’t forget that the catalyst for this was the harassment-filled, booze infused, toxic environment at Redskins Park under Brucie (and his brother Jay-Jay)—the unprofessionalism and outright vile behavior of that FO is well known (and has been publicly reported on) across the DC, MD, VA area. Little Jon is an epic narcissist. There’s no remorse, no real act of contrition here. He indignantly stomped off the stage under the guise of ‘taking one for the team he loves’ like some sort of faux hero.

    Somewhere sunny Keyshawn Johnson is smiling…

  94. Tc Says:

    He always said, “you get what you deserve”. Funny how things come back to bite you.

  95. spicoli Says:

    I think most of us are looking at this from a different perspective and trying to place politics into his firing ie square peg, round hole. This has NOTHING to do with Dems or Repubs.

    How about this from a leadership pov, how could the owner or Gruden effectively lead a team if Gruden has controversary and questionable character surrounding him? More than likely his past behaviors coming into light would take a hit on his leadership credibility towards the players. How could those players & assist coaches put 100% trust into his decision making if they can’t trust his character?

    Just some food for thought. LFG BUCS!!!!

  96. UCNTCME Says:

    All of the folks crying about ‘cancel culture’ or ‘woke mobs’ – the truth is your time is up. Racism, sexism, religious discrimination, anti-Semitism, hate against people with different sexual identities is no longer excusable.

    Your time is up, move on quietly and let it pass.

  97. 163doubleplay Says:

    If Biden can get away with racist comments like how he described Obama…”Barack Obama is “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” Why was he not being canceled ? Is it Rules for thee not for me ?

  98. Reach87 Says:

    Loss of confidence in his ability to run the team in the current environment. Who decides that? The people who pay him. No one else. Simple as that. Go Bucs!

  99. Ash Says:

    You don’t redeem yourself by being caught by someone else and then feeling obligated to apologize. You redeem yourself by bringing it up before you are caught and explaining that you have grown from that and chose to be a better person. Redirecting the message as oh this is wokeness or cancel culture is missing the point it is not acceptable to be racist or homophobic or mysogynistic period whether it be private or public life. Just don’t be a terrible person and you won’t have anything to worry about alot of people do it, it’s not hard.

  100. Robert Says:

    Keep him. He earned it.

    who knew people today would be digging through 20 years of communications on people and destroying them over it.

    I bet 90% of us would be in hot water if that were done to us. can’t please everyone….and we have ALL made inapropriate jokes. not that it excuses his behavior….just saying they would find something on most people

  101. Cobraboy Says:

    Q-Dog really means “Woke up, woke up.”

  102. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    163…exactly. And Robert….exactly.

  103. Dick LeBeau Jr. Says:

    Folks true colors come out quickly sometimes. The one thing I will say about this site in particular is the fact that it seems like, there’s a lot of anti other than white over here. Remember key words “seems like”. I’ve read comments and thought wow. Maybe I shouldn’t be on this site. We love a sport that has a lot of diversity in it, but a lot of the comments I read sometimes reflect some of the views Gruden shared in those emails. It might not be directly stated, but the undertone of it sometimes is very clear.

    What Gruden said pure and simple was wrong. Yes, everyone has an opinion, but share those opinions outside of your work if you just so badly need to express them. Your work email is the property of said business, so it is not private. I’m not sure why him and Allen didn’t understand that. But what’s in the dark sometimes comes to the light. The Glazers should remove him from the ROH and his statue. You don’t make lewd comments like that about your bosses and everything remains the same. Do you know how that makes them look now? Just my two cents. I love the Bucs, but we need to tighten up as a people altogether.

  104. D-Rome Says:

    Warren Sapp has said and done worse things than Gruden. He should not be removed from the Ring of Honor or his number unretired either.

    The sad thing is that this is the America so many want. They want a world where you suffer the consequences of things said years ago. They want a world where your speech is constantly monitored and that the only opinion you can have is the one they deem acceptable. The truth is that everyone on this planet has said and/or done things that would be offensive to someone else, especially the social justice warriors out there. The only difference is that Gruden was caught and the loudest critics haven’t been yet.

    Besides, while Gruden’s language was inflammatory he’s correct about Michael Sam. Roger Goodell did pressure the Rams to draft him.

  105. spicoli Says:

    Robert I agree there are certain aspects as to why release them now? What happened to when the NFL did their investigation? If they caught wind of LV trying to hire Gruden, why didn’t they provide Davis the emails then?

    It reeks but its more than inappropriate jokes, and it doesn’t excuse his actions. I believe people can and do change, but allegedly he sent these communications to Bruce Allen over a period of 7 years (2011 – 2017) so some of it has been quit recent.

  106. mg Says:

    The NFL is full of bad men. The NFL controls the Networks. Do they control the courts? Meet me in St Louis.

  107. Perimeter Blocker Says:

    I guess, moving forward when applying for the job all emails from the last 10 years should be submitted?

  108. spicoli Says:

    depends on what job(s) you apply for, and if they require background checks and a security clearance.

  109. webster Says:

    yea ok biden is the racist not 45 and many of his followers. You guys are funny

  110. Mike C Says:

    As apposed to black old boomers????

  111. Bruce Blahak Says:

    So, grudes is revealed. Probably joins GQP and becomes their new figure head.

  112. Natron Says:

    Why do think Bill Clinton doesn’t do email?

  113. D-Rome Says:

    Everyone in this world has said or done offensive things to someone else. Most haven’t been caught. Take the plank out of your own eyes before you start pointing out the speck of sawdust in others.

  114. D-Rome Says:

    Warren Sapp has said and done worse things than anything Gruden has written. Should his number be un-retired?

  115. Buczilla Says:

    In my mind Gruden is a good coach and a horrible gm. He was also either naive to how secure emails are, or he just did not care at the time. He said crude, mean things about people and he deserved to be fired. If I were the Glazers, I’d consider removing him out of spite for talking sh!t about me, but ultimately I would keep him up there. It’s about what Gruden did for us and our players at the time and brain dead mistakes that he made afterwards should have no bearing.

    I know the new fad is to erase our history, but how can we ever learn from it, if it’s erased? If there is someone out there who has never made a disparaging remark about another person, another race, or another person’s sexual orientation then they’d have a legit beef if the Glazers decide to keep Gruden in the ring. That person doesn’t exist in this world however because we are all human and humans make mistakes. Once we figure out that putting labels such as race, sexual orientation, etc. on each other is a bad thing, these incidents like Gruden’s will go away. We’re all genetically 100% identical and all of these labels that we give each other are meaningless man.

    Human is the only label that should mean anything to anyone outside of those who use these labels to divide folks in order to hang onto their power and influence. We’ll figure it out eventually, but it’s going to take a long time.

  116. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Yes as opposed to black old boomers.

    Once again thank you for projecting for me and proving my point.

  117. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Yeah D-Rome you have a point difference being he sent it to a work email for an NFL team. That’s why this happened.

  118. Buddhaboy19 Says:

    Who gives a chit, the world is going through a great reset, there is going to be massive layoffs and food shortages, and we are arguing about something that is mice-nuts comparatively. Gruden is fine, whatever.

  119. Mike C Says:

    Your right tampabuscsbro, all white people are racist and should just die.

  120. MattSpy05 Says:

    Apparently everyone has forgotten that if you write an email, it can be used as a public document, whether it’s private or not.

  121. adam from ny Says:

    gruden got pete rosed

  122. firethecannons Says:

    Gruden does not belong in the ring of honor. He has no honor and has brought shame to the nfl and every organization he was a part of. His comments on the Glazer family are disgusting and I cannot imagine how incredibly stupid he was to put comments of this sort in emails. How he couldn’t see that they would or could be used in a blackmail scheme. People hated Gruden with good reasons before these emails became public, so many justified motivated enemies. Emails are supposed to be private but he was emailing Bruce Allen at the Washington Redskins website and those emails are property of the football team and therefore the nfl. No way could this ever be allowed to stand with only a reprimand, he was made to resign. We all say things but putting them in writing in emails to the extent he did is asking for blackmail/or this. GOOD RIDDANCE to this very stupid undeserving man. It is just beginning.

  123. tampabuscsbro Says:

    LMAO, didn’t say anything of the sort. I just said whenever race is brushed upon this comment section turns into angry white old boomers projecting.

  124. SufferingSince76 Says:

    How about someone going through the history of the NFL to see if they can find some racist dirt on them? Do you think they’d come out smelling like a rose? While we’re at it, let’s investigate everyone for everything they’ve ever said or written and make sure we ruin their (our) lives. We live in a mean-spirited, classless society that demands perfection from everyone, but ourselves.

  125. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Now Keyshawn and Stephen A, who is a flat out racist as little as 3 weeks ago on air, are saying they knew he was like this and destroying Gruden when in reality all Keyshawn can say is that Gruden is a mean person. No allegations by Keyshawn that Gruden was ever any of these things, just saying its not afar stretch. Witch hunt got Gruden, cannot wait until these other buffoons on BSPN get their emails out in the open

  126. Listnfrmafar Says:

    I’m all about privacy and the country is way too sensitive, haters are going to hate but pretty much everyone of all sexual preferences, races etc say stupid shat out of anger or without thinking of the repercussion that may occur. .Jeez comedians can’t tell jokes anymore and those aren’t usually directed at anyone particular. On the other hand no one should send emails like through work.

  127. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Agree- Gruden should stay in Ring of Honor.
    However, Joe, comparing unretiring OJ Simpson’s number and circumstances with Gruden’s situation is a little off base. Simpson is still on the Bills’ Wall of Fame.

  128. Mike C Says:

    And a bunch of brain washed woke racist show up too so I guess it is all equal….

  129. PassingThru Says:

    Here’s a compromise: Leave the Gruden statue up, and place a statue of Robert E. Lee alongside of it. Not only will history not be erased, but everyone will know exactly what Gruden represents.

  130. Mike C Says:

    Ohhh I forgot to add black, sorry

  131. Couch Fan Says:

    @SufferingSince76

    Exactly. I bet if we went through the history of many of the race baiters on this forum, and held them to the same standard, they’d be singing a very different tune right now.

  132. Gmoney Says:

    F that, take his name down.

  133. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Jon Gruden is a past customer of ours. We cleaned his roof twice. I am sad to see all this unfold, and sadder yet that his resignation is not enough for some people, who want to crucify him. I guess it is not enough that he walked away from Millions of dollars, for words spoken in confidence many years ago ?

  134. KYBUCFAN Says:

    I have lost all respect for Jon Gruden… I believe people can change and believe in second, third, forth, and 2000th chances, but how do we know he’s really changed?? Seems his ‘change’ came because he had been caught, not because he truly changed or was remorseful… That is not HONOR!!!

  135. KYBUCFAN Says:

    I have lost all respect for Jon Gruden… I believe people can change and believe in second, third, forth, and 2000th chances, but how do we know he’s really changed?? Seems his ‘change’ came because he had been caught, not because he truly changed or was remorseful… That is not HONOR!!!

  136. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Gruden made a mistake putting private conversation on company emails. He paid by losing his job.
    You don’t coach a Super Bowl winning team and also be a racist.
    Lots of people make inappropriate remarks in private conversations. Doesn’t make it right – and Gruden is paying the price.
    No need to strip him of past accomplishments because someone’s feelings are hurt….

  137. Stanglassman Says:

    It will be interesting to see how Gruden does at USC job. USC interested not sure if it’s mutual.

  138. View from 132 Says:

    I think they should replace his name with Short Fat A**hole in the spirit of the emails he sent. It is just extremely poor judgment on his part to email comments like that. Said 1:1, sure, whatever.. people talk a lot of smack. But email is forever. He had to know that. Lots of people thought the Rams were pressured about Sam, but it is still stupid to put it in an email when you are a prominent person in the league (or ESPN at the time).

  139. rrsrq Says:

    all Key shawn is saying, the same thing Booger said ws, They didn’t necessarily see him as a racist, but they did see him as a person who would tell you one thing and od or say another thing, that is character of JG – hence why he can’t go back into that locker room in Vegas, imagine the locker room interviews if they were allowed surrounding Carl Nassib’s locker.

  140. Posey99 Says:

    All the players with domestic violence charges whose jerseys are worn by children. SMH what a triggered society we live in.

  141. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    This is racist and offensive……period.

    tampabuscsbro Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 10:35 am
    LMAO, didn’t say anything of the sort. I just said whenever race is brushed upon this comment section turns into angry white old boomers projecting.

  142. Irishmist Says:

    It’s tough to call him a homophobe when he welcomed an openly gay player (Nassib) on his team. I can’t speak to whether he is a racist or not, I would ask Sapp about that. He has never shied away from saying what he really thinks.

  143. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Your point?

  144. Mike C Says:

    I think his point is your racist…… but I guess you some how couldn’t comprehend that.

  145. Mike C Says:

    Ohhhh yeah because you have been programmed to KNOW that only white people are racist.

  146. SB Says:

    Did everyone read about the Black guy that killed a White Cop on his first ever shift the other day???
    Didn’t think so. The Media is SO shoving racism down our throats to divide us and they are doing it in a Very nefarious way.

  147. SB Says:

    Morgus the Magnificent Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 11:14 am
    This is racist and offensive……period.

    tampabuscsbro Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 10:35 am
    LMAO, didn’t say anything of the sort. I just said whenever race is brushed upon this comment section turns into angry white old boomers projecting.

    …………………..

    Really?…..I mean Really?……..You sir are a Major part of the problem

  148. Anonymous Says:

    It’s words, we’re just a civilization of pearl clutching bit**es if words hurt your feelings that much.
    It’s just words. So many other things to be worried about in this world.

  149. SB Says:

    View from 132 Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 11:08 am
    I think they should replace his name with Short Fat A**hole in the spirit of the emails he sent. It is just extremely poor judgment on his part to email comments like that.

    …………

    Lol I would like to see the ‘private’ texts and emails from EVERY coach for the last ten yrs. Black AND White.
    You wanna bet that will never happen?

  150. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Someone please clarify the term “boomer” for me.
    My understanding is that it refers to Baby Boomers, people born between 1946-1964.
    I’m a Gen Xer but get accused of being a Boomer.
    Is this just the liberal left painting all level headed people who have TRADITIONAL VALUES with a broad brush?

    I thought libs were much smarter than that.
    I mean they tell me so all the time…..

  151. DoooshLaRue Says:

    SB,

    Exactly!
    It’s not just Whitey saying these things.

    BTW, I work with a lot of Blacks and Hispanics and the majority of them find most of these WOKE overreactions to be ridiculous.

    I refuse to cave in to the NEW AGENDA.

    IDGAF.

    I treat people with the respect they DESERVE no matter what color or sexual orientation.

  152. spicoli Says:

    Doosh… I’m pretty sure that term doesn’t have annnnnyyyythhhhiiiiinnnnngggg to do with political parties.

    My take on it the term boomer is just the younger generation calling anyone older than them boomers.

  153. Chuck T Says:

    I’m content with keeping Chucky in the Ring of Honor.

    He is a scumbag, but I can respect it.

  154. webster Says:

    @SB yes i read it. Its called news. News flash, gruden was not fired for only a racist email. I know that is the narrative you want to spew, but it was a lot of emails that span a large segment of society. Oh did you read the story that came out this weekend in nashville, TN where the judge ordered the cops to arrest black juvenilles for bogus crimes so she could sentence them to jail where there were financial kick backs? Didnt think so. The media isnt shoving anything. The medias job is to point things like this so we know this exist. Are they not to report on a corrupt criminal justice system because it kills your narrative that blacks are making stuff up when it comes to cops? The black man shooting the cop on his first shift out of revenge has nothing to do with gruden being an idiot for sending a wide range of emails that offended many within society ie women, gays, trans, minorities, player safety etc. Dont get hung up on just the racist email. There is more.

  155. tampabuscsbro Says:

    How am I racist?

    You guys are the ones getting mad that you can’t use racist and anti gay slurs over company email without getting fired if it comes out.

    I am just saying this comment section tends to be old white boomers that project also early Gen xers have a boomer esque mentality.

    I guess traditional values mean saying racial and anti gay slurs.

    Also you know I am white and not even a leftist. I am just pointing out what I see in here.

  156. Mike C Says:

    SB he is not the problem, the problem is we all jump to the conclusion of racist and racism to easily. Chucky made fun of another man’s appearance (which is not nice, but pretty sure we have all taken part in) if he was a white dude and he called him a dirty ginger %@$#$@ no one would blink an eye…. I am not saying that Chunky isn’t a @#$%er I am just not going to say he is racist because he made fun of someone’s appearance. The problem is that the definition of racism includes mocking how someone looks.

  157. Bradinator Says:

    Bottom line- don’t be mean. If you aren’t a jerk to people, even when they aren’t around, these things don’t happen. Amazing how hard it is for folks to just be nice. Also amazing is how many people will defend you even if you are an idiot.

    The dude traded topless photos with somebody, even though both were married. I’m gonna guess and say NONE of your arguments defending him will work for Mrs. Gruden this morning. BTW those photos are EXACTLY what the commission was investigating. He was part of the frat bot culture. This isn’t really something where his actions we not a part of the investigation. They WERE absolutely a part of the investigation with these photos. Ask yourself, if you’re Mrs. Gruden, how do you feel after your bonehead husband lost his multi million dollar career after saying dopey things AND sending dirty pictures? I doubt having the press camped out on her lawn is having a positive effect. probably packing her bags right now.

  158. sasquatch Says:

    A few offensive emails isn’t gonna get anyone removed from the ring of honor… there would have to be a history of inappropriate and harmful behavior to consider such a thing. Gruden may be a douche, but there’s no evidence of such behavior.

  159. sasquatch Says:

    Yeah, the term “boomer” has become a pejorative used by the uber-woke millenials and Gen-Zers to insult people older than them who don’t speak wokeness. Even a liberal like me can recognize how annoying these holier-than-thou, know-it-all, naive little f**kers are.

  160. Costa Rica John Says:

    Let those of you without sin cast the first stone.
    That’s it in a nutshell folks. Im not going to condemn Gruden for making a mistake or I would have to condemn everyone.
    Stay safe and god bless.

  161. SB Says:

    Mike C Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 11:43 am
    SB he is not the problem, the problem is we all jump to the conclusion of racist and racism to easily.

    ……………..

    NO he is not the problem. The Media is. They are choosing what they report depending on what is “hot”! We are being systematically divided. I have seen it since my early days in service. It is disgusting and they are making it out to where WE are the problem

  162. SB Says:

    Hey Doosh!!! Check out Tom McDonald!. He is a social justice/political rapper.
    EVERY Black, Asian, White agrees with his views. He is going Viral with every song. I think you will enjoy his points

  163. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Sorry to upset you so much sasquatch. I didn’t even say anything woke. All I said was this comment section is a bunch of white 55+s projecting when anything related to social justice is brought up around here.

    If any of us did what he did we would lose our jobs too.

  164. Mike C Says:

    We are having our opinions shaped by the media unfortunately, so WE
    completely agree on that.

  165. SB Says:

    Mike C Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 11:59 am
    We are having our opinions shaped by the media unfortunately, so WE
    completely agree on that.

    ……………..

    Exactly!……Problem is there are too many sheep among us. Just sit there and eat what is fed to them!

  166. D-Rome Says:

    You guys are the ones getting mad that you can’t use racist and anti gay slurs over company email without getting fired if it comes out.

    You’re setting up the straw man here. That’s not what is bothering people. Your use of “old white boomers” is no different of a trope than what Gruden used in his email describing DeMaurice Smith. It’s offensive to some but that doesn’t matter to you because you’re not putting your real name on that comment. You’re making these kinds of comments with the assumption that no one will ever find out who you are. If we all knew your real name, where you worked, and where you lived you’d never say anything like that. It’s likely that if you have a job your boss is an “old white boomer” or “early Gen Xer”. I doubt they would be OK with what you wrote. Even if your boss is not an “old white boomer” now you will work for one some day. What if 15 years from now comments like the ones you are making come back to haunt you and it impacts your job and your family with children? Sure, it’s not company email but it’s not your website or wordpress account either. Everything you write is tracked and where you are logged is tracked. In fact, I saved this page and your comment on the Internet Archive. You can never un-delete it. Unless you are using a VPN anyone can find out who you are and attribute what you wrote to you. Even with a VPN someone dedicated enough to dig into your life will find every offensive thing you’ve said, and I know you’ve said plenty. Everyone has.

  167. SB Says:

    webster Says:
    October 12th, 2021 at 11:38 am
    @SB yes i read it. Its called news. News flash, gruden was not fired for only a racist email. I know that is the narrative you want to spew, but it was a lot of emails that span a large segment of society. Oh did you read the story that came out this weekend in nashville, TN where the judge ordered the cops to arrest black juvenilles for bogus crimes so she could sentence them to jail where there were financial kick backs? Didnt think so. The media isnt shoving anything. The medias job is to point things like this so we know this exist. Are they not to report on a corrupt criminal justice system because it kills your narrative that blacks are making stuff up when it comes to cops? The black man shooting the cop on his first shift out of revenge has nothing to do with gruden being an idiot for sending a wide range of emails that offended many within society ie women, gays, trans, minorities, player safety etc. Dont get hung up on just the racist email. There is more.

    ……………………..

    Webster……..If you are going to sit there and say that racial issues are EQUALLY reported by the Media then you aren’t even worth talking to. Whites killing Blacks or discriminating against them are WHAT SELLS!!!!!!!!!
    If you can’t see this then you aren’t very smart. Along with a great deal of the country.

  168. Mike C Says:

    Go watch cnn

  169. tampabuscsbro Says:

    D-Rome calm down and take your meds.

    Also no one is going to cancel me for saying Boomer. You are also forgetting the entire point of Anonymous online image boards/forums. They are here so you can be anonymous. Also I wouldn’t get canceled for saying that.

  170. mg Says:

    Can I change my name – mg to they, Joe?

  171. SufferingSince76 Says:

    As a boomer in good standing, I am offended by the automatic “just an old boomer” take on almost everything. Now, how many of you give a rats azz about my feelings? I didn’t think so.

  172. Sorryjackchuckiesback Says:

    Webster… I see you KEEP comparing this to the kneeling … Dude 2 different worlds there it’s not even comparable! You’re reaching cuz that’s all you got!! Kneeling for your flag is basically spitting on our grandfather’s graves after the sacrifices they made to make men free!! And yes black men are just as free as white men there is no such thing as white privilege or cops hunting black people… And I saw another comment you made about Nashville arresting black kids or something??.. I haven’t heard that story but it doesn’t surprise me you know why? BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO WHITE PEOPLE TOO!! … The justice system is flawed but it’s still one of the best in the world… This country isn’t perfect and never will be…. What Gruden did was private… The kneeling was a spit in the face of the morals and values of this country by millionaire players who have had their butts kissed most their lives and started by a guy that only did it after he was benched and has now made a living off of stupid people!! … MLK was actually fighting for justice!! The civil rights marches of that time were needed and they worked!! Now a days it’s just a witch hunt for straight white men!!

  173. Dlavid Says:

    Here Here ! Great statement Joe ! Agree 100% !

  174. Listnfrmafar Says:

    I guess I am a “old white boomer as well”, nit.sure what I said to offend you tampabuc, but now I can call you an ignorant, assh#@l, dbag!!! Last I heard age discrimination isn’t tolerated in this country.

  175. adam from ny Says:

    chucky is moving back to tampa because he misses the tasty chicken tenders at publix…

    and he is taking the jacksonville job asap because his grab azz game got stronger in vegas…

    urban meyer is going to usc and chucky is giving teblow another shot with the jags…

    let the games begin !

  176. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Ya know I have a number of Black, Hispanic, Homosexual freinds and a Transsexual family member and care deeply about all of them. What I can’t wrap my head around is when a White, Hispanic, Asian or other race is killed by another person of any race or shot by a law enforcement officer there are never any protest or support from the BLM movement. Isn’t the exclusiveness a form of discrimination? Please one of you who promote this organization educate me and I am not being fecesous.

  177. spicoli Says:

    SorryJack…
    kneeling isn’t spitting on our grandfathers graves. Kneeling isn’t spitting in the face of morals of our country. Amendment I of the Bill of Rights covers everyone’s RIGHT to peaceful assembly (or protest). It’s not about the right to protest until you don’t agree with it. Doesn’t work that way.

    A Green Beret gave Kaepernick and Reid the advice to kneel if you want to protest. Hell I gave 22 yrs to this country, and I never took it as a direct slight to the military.

    Black men haven’t been as free as white men in this country’s history. Things need to change, we should be able to look back and listen to POC how they were unfairly and unjustly treated through the history, including today’s era. There is obliviously still prejudice and racism that we all need to eradicate. That means holding someone accountable for their actions and words.
    Long gone are the days after 9/11 happened were we all truly came together as a country and supported each other.

  178. 163doubleplay Says:

    Let’s say hypothetically, TB12 said that, are you guys going to crucify him because your feelings got hurt or are you going to give him a pass just to reach another SB ?

  179. Pickgrin Says:

    What small percentage among us in the last 12 years HASN’T said or at least wanted to tell a Glazer to Suck one?? LOL

    Crude? Vulgar? Sure – but so was the product they were fielding.

    Gruden was pretty well known as a self-serving two-faced ass. But he’s also a good football coach who should never have been forced to resign because of things said in what I’m sure Jon thought were private emails from 10 years ago – when he wasn’t even an employee of the league.

    And as far as the Ring of Honor question goes – you can’t even go there without opening up the monster can of worms that Sapp represents….

  180. Steven007 Says:

    Pick, if you were paid 8 mil to go away and be free to seek employment anywhere else on the planet why on earth would you disparage that employer? Ownership mortgaged the future to acquire him, he delivered pretty quickly, and then we were a basically average team until they canned him. Not sure why he saw fit to disparage ownership. Aside from that, email sent on a business account or never considered personal even if they cover personal items.I I have no dog in this fight. I liked him when he was here. I couldn’t care less if he stays in the ring of honor. Just commenting on why he’d have bad things to say about ownership that made him a very wealthy man then paid him to go away with complete freedom. We should all be so disparaged by our employers.

  181. SlyPirate Says:

    TAKE IT DOWN
    -BLM has been the #1 social issue in the history of the NFL
    -The helmets and end zones say “End Racism”

    Send a statement to your players and the NFL community that this organization supports End Racism 100% … take Gruden’s name down.

    Yes, Gruden earned his way up there. He also earned his way out.