Discipline Index

September 16th, 2021

There is a big ray of sunshine surrounding that smelly thing we saw (and enjoyed) last week.

We all enjoyed how the Bucs came from behind to beat the Cowboys last week. It was a fun game made even better by a late-game, game-winning drive bypark-violating, home-invading, NFLPA-ignoring, down-forgetting, handshake-stiffing, jet-ski-losing, biscuit-baking, tequila-shooting, smartphone-phobic, waffle-grilling, trophy-throwing, roller-coaster-scared, numbers-rules-peeved, helmet-tossing, football-punting Bucs-Super Bowl-winning quarterback Tom Brady.

Drama! Intrigue! Entertainment! Fun!

There was, however, an element that was not fun. The Bucs were sloppy. Really, really sloppy.

How so? Brian Friedland of The 33rd Team has something called the “Discipline Index.” It documents the smartest and not so efficient teams each week and throughout the season.

The Bucs, winners of their first game and defenders of the Vince Lombardi Trophy, ended up dead last in this ranking.

The team that displayed the most discipline last week? The Bengals — the Bengals!

However, Joe believes there is good news here that should give reasons for Bucs fans to relax and enjoy the expected beat down of the Dixie Chicks on Sunday.

The first is the Bucs can only get better from here with discipline.

The second is, the Bucs won!

33 Responses to “Discipline Index”

  1. Jack Burton Mercer Says:

    Were there any penalties against the Bucs that were declined? They might should be included because they show a lack of discipline (or luck) as well.

  2. Cobraboy Says:

    It’s a rare game when 4 TO’s and 100+ penalty yards end in the W column.

  3. Medicated Pete Says:

    This literally gave Pete shingles & gout

  4. Mike Says:

    That wasn’t a well called game from a ref perspective, and the INT’s were not a result of any lack of discipline (though the fumbles were).

  5. tampabuscsbro Says:

    Undisciplined but I remember the refs called a few iffy ones on us Tristan Wirfs wasn’t holding by modern standards that wasn’t a hold. also some of those ghost face mask penalties were absurd.

    Aside from that I thought it was justified but still.

  6. dls5492 Says:

    “My orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved corps!”

  7. Joe Says:

    “My orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved corps!”

    “I am Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, your senior drill instructor. From now on you will speak only when spoken to, and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be ‘Sir.’ Do you maggots understand that?’

  8. fish Says:

    the PI on adams was weak as well. felt like the refs were still rusty.

    I miss hard hitting football. i get protecting players but at the same time its a physical game. the aints vs GB game had that roughing the passer call with jameis winston when he throw a pick. that was absurd. or the joe tyron sack that was a Roughing.

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Cobraboy Says:
    September 16th, 2021 at 10:04 am
    It’s a rare game when 4 TO’s and 100+ penalty yards end in the W column.

    More than rare when you add the 450 yards against…..we are the only team in NFL history to win……that’s a lot of history…

  10. SufferingSince76 Says:

    The penalties are a continuation of the pirate curse. It doesn’t matter the coach or the personnel. Year after year. Yep. It’s the pirate curse. 🏴‍☠️ 🏴‍☠️

  11. Bucsfanman Says:

    Joe- You’re giving me flashbacks!
    “This is my rifle, this is my gun…”

    The win against Dallas was an “exception to the rule” IMO. You ar not typically going to win contests where you lose the TO battle and rack up that many penalties. Let alone give up 400+ yards in the air.

    Need to clean it up.

  12. Casual Observer Says:

    These stats, with a W, show the great potential for the O’s improvement. It is the pass D’s poor ability to understand the opponent’s strategy and quickly implement a better response that is the main team issue. There are some astute posters here (like Defense Rules) who have summarized this very well – in detail. I hope the D coaches read this blog. They might even try some random DB assignments at times – got to increase the unpredictability of the D strategies. And don’t wait for the next game! am beginning to think that such unpredictability is as important for D as for O.

  13. SlyPirate Says:

    How did Dallas only not win but not pummel the Bucs?

    SO GOOD!

  14. SteveK Says:

    Sgt. Pile, how tall are you?

  15. adam from ny Says:

    yes we were super sloppy last week…hopefully there are no sloppy seconds in week 2…

    as i said before:

    “until the first loss of the season, the superbowl magic carpet ride shall continue”…


  16. JimBuc2 Says:

    “I don’t know. but I”ve been told
    Eskimo pu$$y is mighty cold”
    “See these stripes. They give me class”
    He just wants to kick my a$$

    I think Jameel Dean needs a barracks blanket party. Helps with focus.

    The most feared weapon the the world is a Marine and his rifle”
    LFG Bucs!

  17. Joe Says:

    How did Dallas only not win but not pummel the Bucs?

    Maybe the Bucs’ defense wasn’t as rotten as it seemed at times?

    You know, bend but don’t break. Made key plays at opportune times. Forced field goals.

  18. Joe Says:

    Sgt. Pile, how tall are you?

    You mean “Private Pyle” or “Private Cowboy?” Or was it “Private Snowflake?”

  19. David Says:

    I agree. It will only get better.
    The fumbles were good D plays. The Hail Mary int is irrelevant.
    The other Int was a dropped pass.

    The penalties were more concerning. Waaaaay too many!

    I’m confident they’ll tighten it up

  20. JA Says:


    Good photo of Ermey.
    He was superb in Full Metal Jacket—was also great as the racist mayor in Mississippi Burning—as an actor, that is.
    Although a D.I.at San Diego, I had a friend who claimed he listened to him speak to the men at Paris Island. My friend said he went off on some of the Marine recruits as if he were screaming at Private Pile and Private Joker. Said his Full Metal acting wasn’t much of a stretch. That was him!
    I was in before the movie was released and my drill instructor was much the same.
    Apparently they were all instructed to treat us like scum, every waking moment of every boot camp day. And it works …

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    Plus they put up 31 points.

    Cut down on the turnovers and this team might hang 40 burgers nearly every week. Now deal with that NFL.

    Go Bucs!!!

  22. Joe Says:


    He was superb in Full Metal Jacket

    He made that movie. It was a good movie but he made it. Ermey was a Marine drill instructor in real life. He had retired and went into acting. Got the job in “Full Metal Jacket” by chance, am pretty sure. He was hired as an advisor and later given a screen test.

  23. UncleHemorrhoid Says:

    That movie sucked. It was made for perverts.

  24. JA Says:


    Agree, agree and agree.
    Although I’d like to think Vincent D’Onofrio, as Private Pyle, was pretty darn good as well. The scene where he murdered Ermey was as chilling as they come.

  25. Bucsfanman Says:

    I agree on Ermey. D’Onofrio as well. That was a haunting scene.

    The movie was released the year I went into the Corps. Had I seen the movie, I might’ve made a different choice. To this day, the boot camp scenes give me flashbacks!

  26. Listnfrmafar Says:

    The question should be, how did the Bucs not pumble Dallas. Bad prep and awful coaching = sloppy undiscipline play. BA needs to put down the scotch and pick up the tablet and stop having Brady cover his arse. BA,BL&Bowles need to do a better job.

  27. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Couldn’t help but notice that half of the 10 teams on the list won their games.

    It’s private Snowball btw.

  28. DoooshLaRue Says:

    *10 teams on the bottom of the list

  29. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “Maybe the Bucs’ defense wasn’t as rotten as it seemed at times? You know, bend but don’t break. Made key plays at opportune times. Forced field goals.”

    Agree 100% Joe. BOTH sides of the ball left an awful lot to be desired in that game. Offense put up the points, but turning the ball over FOUR times (most in NFL week 1) AND only holding the ball for a bit over 25 mins really hurt the defense.

    Of course, the defense took it from there and really hurt itself too. Still don’t understand the lack of pass rush, but it’ll improve I’m sure. DBs were playing off too far too often. And like Todd Bowles said, tackling was also sloppy. The saving grace was that we buckled down at critical times, stopped drives and held them to 5 FG attempts. Thank heaven Dallas kicker missed 2 FGs or we would’ve been 0-1 again to start the season like last year.

  30. Joe Says:

    It’s private Snowball btw.

    That’s right!

  31. Sumosam Says:

    Don’t we have more important things to do than to figure out a discipline index for football? The only thing that matters in football is wins and losses. The fact that the Bucs we’re last in this list just means that they’re good enough to overcome mistakes. That’s a really good sign to me.

  32. unbelievable Says:

    Of course we were last:

    Most penalty yards AND most turnovers! Lol

  33. Brandon Says:

    Part of the penalties problem could be that they were playing America’s Team. They get all the calls. Vita Vea was held badly almost every snap…. but nothing was called. Refs don’t like penalties against their favorite team.