“Great Downfield Accuracy”

May 5th, 2021

Bucs QB Kyle Trask.

Most coaches believe if a quarterback isn’t accurate, there is little hope.

Joe years ago remembers reading how if a quarterback doesn’t complete 60 percent of his colelge passes, he’s pretty much a lost cause. For every Josh Allen that actually sees his accuracy rise in the NFL from college, there are 25 or more Jay Cutlers.

You know who else didn’t hit 60 percent completion percentage in his final year in college? Leaky, sleepy Josh Freeman.

New Bucs quarterback Kyle Trask damn near hit 70 percent.

In going through draft notes, Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports lauded Trask for his accuracy, especially down the field.

Buccaneers: Kyle Trask, QB, Florida
Grade: B-

Trask is a pocket passer with great downfield accuracy who can win when things are kept clean around him. Average arm and athleticism. Not much of an anticipatory thrower and sometimes misreads coverages but can be the point guard of the future for the Bucs. Decent mentor to look up to.

Being accurate is more than half the battle. Joe has great confidence in the brain trust around Trask; given time to be nurtured, he will be fine.

Something tells Joe that Bucs quarterback guru Tom Moore will soon become Trask’s closest friend.

97 Responses to ““Great Downfield Accuracy””

  1. Medicated Pete Says:

    I will always believe that pick was made by a mental patient or a hillbilly

  2. 2021 Year of the GOAT Says:

    lol ……..it aint that bad pete…… even the patriots missed on picking TB12 …. or else they wouldnt have waited til the 6 round

  3. Buc92’ Says:

    Trask will be just fine , him & Trey Lance will go on to have the better careers out of this class . Yes better than Trevor


  4. Leighroy Says:

    Well let’s not go off the deep end claiming Trask will be better than TL just yet. But accuracy is king. It’s how a guy like Chad Pennington stayed in the league as long as he did.

    Josh Freeman is another interesting contrast. All the arm talent in the world, none of it between the ears tho. Jameis had the fastball, but couldn’t locate it consistently (sometimes he did impressively, other times no and catastrophically). Trask is smart and accurate, tho not athletic with a howitzer.

    When your OL and surrounding skill talent is as god as the Bucs have become, you can the gamble in that direction. But JW3 proved you can’t eat Ws gambling the other way.

  5. Defense Rules Says:

    Shakespeare was right: ‘Much ado about nothing’. Kyle Trask isn’t a guy who’s gonna take command of a team as a rookie & take them to the Super Bowl (since no rookie QB has ever won the SB that’d be a safe bet I guess). But the good news is that he doesn’t have to jump right in (like Winston had to?) and be a starting QB; he’s got probably a couple years to learn under the best QB ever. Folks just need to withhold judgment until he gets the starting nod. Then Medicated Pete can continue to skewer him with his insightful (?) words of wisdom. Or eat them, one of the two.

  6. BucEmUp Says:

    “Decent mentor to look up to”…

    Im not sure I trust his evaluations

  7. Hodad Says:

    So has Gabbert signed yet? We will see a lot of Trask in the preseason which is coming sooner then ya think. I’ll reserve judgement until then. I do think he has enough tools, and the right make up to be a fine pro. Three years from now before we’ll know if he was the steal of the draft, barring injury.

  8. Bird Says:

    Agree and his downfield numbers were pretty amazing
    Passes over 20 yards it was 60% completions and a ton of tds
    Again you can youtube every tds he had last year. He threw some dimes
    Also, whether you like it or not , he threw up for his guy to make a play in one on one matchups against defender. Now that helps when you have a beast like PItts who no one matches up against.

    I like it when people say he has a noodle arm (weak)

    Remember when a few here even claimed that for brady
    We know how that turned out.

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If Trask was everything Buc fans wanted him to be, we would have had to move up to #2 from 64…..

  10. Doctor Stroud Says:


  11. Buc50 Says:

    Kellen Momd is a career 59% just for reference.

  12. Allbuccedup Says:

    Hodad Gabbert is waiting on whining Rodgers if he retires Blaine will most likely sign with the Pack reunite him with Matt L.

  13. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Accurate, smart and mature.
    Arm strength not all that….. not a problem.

    I’ll take a smart QB who doesn’t try to force things and not hurt his team over a cannon arm idiot who thinks he can do it all.

  14. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Big Ben came close- won a SB his 2nd year and his rookie year he went 13-0 as a starter before losing in the playoffs.

  15. Youngbucs Says:

    Oh what a concept accuracy.

  16. Defense Rules Says:

    Alanbucsfan … Agreed, in his 2nd year. Brady also won the SB in his 2nd year, as did Wilson. All three turned out to be pretty decent QBs (ahhh yes, understatement).

  17. 813bucboi Says:

    WOW…the trask article are unreal…im guessing they’ll be 3 more articles today regarding trask…lol…im sure fsu joe has a couple that say trask is trash…lol…

    the great thing about trask is that he did exactly what the coaches asked of him….find the open man…execute the play…

    GO BUCS!!!!

  18. Mort Says:

    How about folks quit declaring this kid a bust or a hit and just wait for him to show us either way. Be patient and enjoy the pre-season peek at his development.

  19. D-Rome Says:

    This was an good pick and I hate all things Florida Gators football.

  20. DingleBerry Says:

    Will Griers last year at West Virginia he had the following stats.

    Completed 67% of his passes for 3864 yards 37 TD’s 8 INT’s in 11 games.

    In Carolina last year he had the following stats.

    Completed 53.8% of his passes for 228 yards 0 TD’s 4 INT’s in 2 games.

    So what can we learn from this information?

    Completion percentage, accuracy, production… None of these stats mean anything until you prove you can do it at the highest level of competition.

  21. Evolvingbucsfan Says:

    hmmm let’s see, QB’s that have had their “weak arms” questioned or doubted.

    Matt Ryan
    Alex Smith
    Joe Montana
    Steve young
    Peyton manning
    Dan Fouts
    Bob Greise
    Jeff Garcia
    Matt cassel

    and probably a lot more, this kid wasn’t signed to start right away. I wasn’t too high on this pick either, but we had the luxury to sign for the future so lets not throw the lame duck narrative around just yet. I’m not saying he will be the next Montana or Brady but we don’t know and out of all the teams to learn from …..Trask has definitely the best one to help cultivate him, so there’s that.

  22. DingleBerry Says:

    And those stats in college mean even less when the player doesn’t have elite traits being displayed on tape.

  23. Steven007 Says:

    Leighroy, Pennington is an interesting comp. Not stature wise but certainly accuracy wise and ball placement wise.

  24. DingleBerry Says:

    Evolving Bucs fan.

    If you did the research I’d wager you could make a list of players 200-300 names long of College QB’s who had their arm strength questioned and did nothing at the NFL level. Plus you mentioned QB’s from like 5 different eras.

  25. 813bucboi Says:


    name a jimbo coached QB that wasnt a BUST!!!!!

    mond sucks….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  26. Bbro Says:

    There’s a reason his blog name is medicated Pete I bet he even received ‘free shows’ 😉

  27. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We just had an “NFL Ready” arm strength guy….let’s go the other route.

  28. SB~LV Says:

    Dingle, of course elite is better but just what is elite? You absolutely cannot translate elite in college to elite in the NFL that is proven every draft class in every position.
    Trask checks a lot of boxes, we already have a starting QB and a offensive lineup with zero question marks.
    Trask was brought in at 64 for grooming and a chance to become the starter in a year or two. There are no immediate expectations other than not falling on his face. The only question about the pick is whether they should have taken another position.
    I always thought that was your argument for you not being happy with the pick .
    Mond … my cuz is an alum from A&M he is retired now and goes to all the games. I asked about Mond and he said his opinion of Mond as a QB and a person slipped , time will tell.

  29. Evolvingbucsfan Says:

    Dingle, yes different eras and it been a narrative for a long time. Some times they are right and sometimes they are wrong. Most of the 200-300 qbs you mentioned weren’t drafted to be starters either. Trask wasn’t signed to take over right away. My point is he is in the best system to be cultivated and not thrust out to start right away. So you can’t prove he was a bad pick right now and I said ,if you read my post, i wasn’t high on the pick either it was a luxury pick for the future, just breath man, it will be ok.

  30. DingleBerry Says:

    How many times do I have to say that I’m not saying that Mond will be any kind of super star or special player in the league?

    The point I was trying to make with Mond is that he is clearly the more talented player when compared to Trask and the things he displays on film are much more impressive.

    Normally when you take a player to sit and learn or be project you take a guy with tremendous upside but is incredibly raw. Not a guy with poor physical ability and little upside. That’s the only point I was trying to make by bringing up Kellen Mond.

  31. DingleBerry Says:

    And SB LV

    Elite traits on tape are elite traits on tape. If the ball shoots off a college QB’s hand with velocity, chances are pretty good that won’t change in the NFL. When a college QB has a quick release, chances are pretty good that won’t change in the NFL.

    The inverse is also true, If a college QB has a weak arm and a slow release, chances are pretty good that won’t change in the NFL.

    Traits only get you so far though. You still have to learn how to read an NFL defense and compete at the highest level of competition.

  32. Bbro Says:

    Let’s see Mond had a 59% average and Trask 69% that tells it for me.

  33. Fred mcneil Says:

    These days MOST qbs turn out to be dubbed failures.
    You gotta have one anyway.

  34. DingleBerry Says:

    There is definitely a chance Trask over comes his physical limitations and becomes a productive NFL starter. I just happen to be of the opinion that the chance of him doing that is pretty small. But I’m hoping I’m wrong.

    Also I’m not sitting here typing any of this seething mad with frantic breathing lol. I’m just expressing what I think.

  35. Evolvingbucsfan Says:

    Dingle, i appreciate your opinions and we all have them, you’re passionate and people can take what they read as abrasive or out of context. I was wrong a bunch too. Most picks don’t pan out, i get that and it’s true, there is no sure pick really. I was wrong about these following guys.

    Jamies winston – I gave him every chance
    Tom Brady – being washed up and lost his arm
    Antoine winfield – being short and slow
    Hargraves III – trying to find a person i can pay to take this jersey off my hands , lol.

    Buc fans have been trained to be cautiously optimistic, lol,. But i am evolving i hope, out of that list what sticks out to who was successful so far….maturity.

  36. Beeej Says:

    Everyone expects that if a qb isn’t on the Lamar Jackson mold they’re useless. Damn few running QB’s are still effective after 5 years, which is about the time they realize they aren’t good enough to be a pocket qb

  37. SB~LV Says:

    As instantly correct Dingle is obviously he isn’t married, or perhaps he is an JBF is his Walter Mitty escape world 😉

  38. tickrdr Says:

    This is why I was hoping to draft Justin Herbert last year.

    tickrdr Says:
    October 7th, 2020 at 11:37 pm
    FWIW, here are the seven criteria listed by Bill Parcells.
    1) At least a three-year starter
    2) Started at least 30 games
    3) Won at least 20 games
    4) At least a 2:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
    5) Completion percentage better than 60%
    6) Is a senior
    7) Is graduating


  39. Posey99 Says:

    Trask is more athletic than Winston and Brady combined.

  40. james a brown Says:

    Is it just me or do a lot of pix of Trask show him holding the football without his fingers on the laces?

  41. Ash Says:

    I don’t think people want a running quarterback they want a mobile quarterback entirely different things and rightly so because it gives you a competitive advantage because they can extend plays when nothing is open or run for some yards so you still get positive yards makes it alot harder on a defensive

  42. Evolvingbucsfan Says:

    James a Brown, good catch. i searched pics of trask and you are right, many not on the laces. i wonder if those were quick read options or play action quick throws. But definitely to many pics not having his finger on the laces. lol interesting.

  43. martinii Says:

    No one can say the 2020 season and the 2021 offseason hasn’t been loaded with Good Buc news for a change. With the draft behind us and the typical disagreements a draft usually generates in Tampa, I find it interesting we come down to the #6 QB and his role with the team. How often does a Local Player (Florida) get the opportunity to develop on a SB team with the arguably Best QB of all time, A quality Coaching Staff, on a team that signed 22+1 starters from he previous season. How can any football fan be concerned about this situation. We Bitch when we lose and Bitch when we win in Tampa. Hey we could be sitting hear with a 30-30 guy at QB

  44. SOEbuc Says:

    Defense rules

    “he’s got probably a couple years to learn under the best QB ever. Folks just need to withhold judgment until he gets the starting nod.”

    Yeah. The end on the Trask pick. No need to hear about his college career and what he did and what he can do. God willing he will be on the bench for maybe more than two years with Toms crazy ass playing.

  45. Costa Rica John Says:

    Trask looked good in college and had a great TE and receiver to help him look that way. Now he is set up in Tampa to continue being productive. He gets to sit and learn the offense along with having a great compliment of TE’s and receivers.
    He has a deep accurate ball that fits the Bucs system but he won’t always be throwing deep. I wish him all the success in the world. Go Bucs!

  46. TampaTown Says:

    Dingleberry + Medicated Pete

    You call yourself Buc fans on a Bucs site yet you’re both hoping the newest Bucs QB fails. Or saying he will only fail. You both su¢k, GTFOH and STFU

  47. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    @DBerry and any other haters of Super Bowl Champion GM Jason Licht and Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arians talent evaluation and choice of Trask

    Jason Licht is a Super Bowl Champion GM.

    His talent evaluation skills have resulted in the Bucs winning a Super Bowl with the talent he evaluated and assembled.

    Ali Marpet, Alex Cappa, Tristan Wirfs, Chris Godwin, Vita Vea, Devon White, Winfield JR, ROJO, SMB, Dean, Davis, etc are all Licht’s picks.

    Bruce Arians is a Super Bowl Champion Head Coach and Super Bowl Champion Assistant Coach with Pittsburgh.

    Big Ben and Peyton are 1st Ballot HOF, and Luck would have been if his career didn’t end so early, and Bruce Arians coached all of them.

    Bruce Arians nickname is the QB Whisperer.

    If Licht and Arians want Trask, then I’ll take their talent evaluation over DBerry’s and anybody else’s.

  48. DingleBerry Says:


    It’s like some people don’t even read but still want to say something to me.

    I have stated numerous times not that I think Jason Licht is great GM. Great GM’s are still capable of making mistakes.

    I have also stated numerous times that I think Bruce Arians is a phenomenal head coach and I fully expect us to win the Super Bowl again this year.

  49. DingleBerry Says:

    numerous times *now*

  50. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Your significant other must have fun arguing with you.

    Exasperation and sighing must be common for them with you.

    When you criticize Super Bowl Champion GM Jason Licht’s and Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arian’s pick of Kyle Trask, you are directly criticizing Jason Licht and Bruce Arians.

    You are outright saying that you are a better talent evaluator than Jason Licht and Bruce Arians because you disagree with their draft pick decision.

    You’ve written that criticism of Trask and how the drafting of him was a mistake by Licht and Arians on the awesome Joe Bucs site OVER, and OVER and OVER AGAIN.

    I’m saying Super Bowl Champion GM Jason Licht and Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arians are better talent evaluator than you, DBerry.

  51. DingleBerry Says:

    You’re putting words in my mouth and making false equivalencies.

    Never, not once have I suggested I know more than Licht and Arians. Simply saying I disagree with them on a couple things this year.

    And guess what, sorry to be the first one to inform you of this, but Licht has made mistakes in the draft before. One time he even traded up in the 2nd round to draft a kicker. That same draft, he wasted every pick.

    Yes, Licht has learned from his mistakes, but in no way shape or form does that prevent him from making more mistakes.

    Jesus dude, chill out.

  52. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    I’m from Muck City. Coached a couple of championship teams after my college ball was done. I also have a degree in the sciences that I teach.

    Around these parts we call balls and strikes.

    Here’s the simple statistics.

    If DBerry says (OVER and OVER and OVER AGAIN on the awesome Joe Bucs site) that the Kyle Trask draft pick was a mistake, then DBerry is saying that he knows better than those who picked Kyle Trask who are Super Bowl Champion and Malcolm Young RIP loving and respecting GM Jason Licht and Super Bowl Champion Risk it for the Biscuit Head Coach Bruce Arians.

    Nobody made you do it, and nobody put words in your mouth, made false equivalency or took you out of context.

    You said those silly things.

    That’s strike one, two and three.

    You’re out.

  53. DingleBerry Says:

    Basically everything you just said is false and lame.

    You’re a dork.

  54. Jerry Says:

    Didn’t Trask throw more TD’s than any other QB in college last year?

  55. SB Says:

    This whole comment thread leads me to 3 letters…………..LOL!

  56. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    A guy who is named after hair protruding from a rear end is calling me lame?

    Or was that a joke? Having a hard time keeping straight with all your lies.

    Being called lame and a liar, by a proven liar like DBerry is priceless..

    Muck City is Belle Glade’s nickname, but I guess that’s false like you claim it to be, even though our game against Pahokee is called the Muck Bowl.


    Which lie is it DBerry?

    Is your name just a joke?

    Or is your name a family name?

    You wrote both on the Awesome Joe Bucs Fan site.

    Which lie is it DBerry?

    Bless your heart.

  57. DingleBerry Says:

    It seems like you have some kind of obsession developing there Belleglade, take a deep breath and get some help.

    I chose a fake name on the internet inspired by little nuggets of dookie attached to butt hairs because I thought that would be funny, and sarcastically took offense and said it was my family name because again, I thought that was funny.

    The things I was saying were false were strictly pertaining to you insisting that me disagreeing with picks made in this draft, and going into depth on why I didn’t like them is 100% the same as me saying that I know more than Licht and Arians. Which simply isn’t true, so it’s false. And I’ve stated specifically numerous times that I respect and admire both Licht and Arians but you choose to ignore that.

    And you saying “That’s strike one, two, and three. You’re out.” was incredibly lame. Sorry dude but that’s just a fact. And you’re dork for saying it.

    That’s all I have to say on the matter.

  58. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Projection is thy name.

    You obsessively respond to everybody who tags you.

    I think you’re a joke who couldn’t tell me who to throw the ball to and why when you run Y-Corner vs Cover 3 from 20.

    Thanks for telling everybody that you are a liar.

    Licht and Arians chose Trask, and you have OVER and OVER and OVER again criticized their decision to draft Trask.

    You can’t say you are a great admirer of Licht and Arians, and OVER and OVER and OVER again bash their decision to draft Trask.

    I don’t believe you, and because you are a proven liar, my thoughts are warranted as your word is worthless.

    Those are facts.

    I have more faith in Licht and Arians QB evaluation than I do in yours DBerry’s.

    As we said in the 102nd, over and out. Or is that to dorky and lame for you?

  59. BuccoDav Says:

    Wait… I think I missed something. Are we advocating for accuracy over gun-slinging now?
    I feel like I’m relevant again!

  60. SB Says:

    Wait…………..I need to shave my butthole!

  61. DingleBerry Says:

    Am I the only one here can clearly see this guy needs to get a grip?

  62. Canabuc Says:

    Can we get the Dbag Dingle Berry banished. He is a troll and we should all just ignore him at this point.

  63. BuccoDav Says:

    SB… Fire up the weed eater! gas powered…

  64. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Considering numerous people agree with me and have told you repeatedly to STFU, I think it is you who needs to get a grip, STFU and stop posting.

    You have joined the ranks of Ndog on Joe Bucs awesome site.

  65. DingleBerry Says:

    Multiple people have also agreed with me and have been able to recognize that I’m the furthest thing from a troll.

    You’re the one getting mad and deeply upset over someone’s opinion on the internet buddy.

    Maybe consider buying a stress ball or something.

  66. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Again, projection.

    You are upset with anybody who disagrees with you.

    The problem with that is that their are a lot of people who disagree with you.

    Multiple people want you banned and called you a troll.

    Multiple people have told you to STFU, and I agree with them.

    Not mad at you new NdogDBerry.

    Not a fan of stress balls, my wife helps relieve my stress with something much better. Coincidentally it has to do with my balls as well. Fishing is a good second to that.

  67. SB Says:

    BuccoDav Says:
    May 5th, 2021 at 8:06 pm
    SB… Fire up the weed eater! gas powered…

    Actually I have Makita battery powered!

  68. DingleBerry Says:

    You literally couldn’t be more wrong.

    You’re the one calling me a liar, telling me to stfu, telling me to stop posting, calling me a troll but I’m the one that’s upset?

    Wrong. Also dude, just because you learned about projection in psych 101 or from watching The Sopranos, doesn’t mean it’s constantly happening when anyone disagrees with you.

    Get over yourself.

  69. DingleBerry Says:

    And half the reason why people are so upset is because they can’t seem to fathom that I can be a passionate supporter of the team who wants nothing but the best for said team, yet simultaneously disagree with a decision they made.

    That’s the only reason why anyone has an issue with what I’m saying. If I was on here posting every day about how perfect and amazing the draft and how I would have done the same exact thing, no one would be calling me a troll or telling me to stfu, which again not everyone is doing.

    Funny how that works. Didn’t know there were so many thought police on this site..

  70. SB Says:

    Lol DingleBerry
    You already rendered yourself.
    “Unreadable” with your name.
    Carry On Though! I need entertainment.!!!

  71. DingleBerry Says:

    What does everyone have against the name DingleBerry?

    It’s such a fun word. Like kerfuffle, or hornswoggle. Its just flat out a fun thing to say. Some of y’all need to lighten up.

  72. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    I have a secret for you.

    You are either pregnant or not. You can’t be more pregnant or less pregnant.

    Just like you can’t be literally more or less pregnant, so can a person not be literally more or less wrong.

    2+2 = 5 is wrong.

    There is no gradation to that being more or less wrong.

    2 + 2 = 5 is just wrong. Nothing more or less.

    Dude, you responded to your own post in less than 3 minutes.

    You. Are. A. Joke.

    Get a stress ball NdogDBerry.

    I’d suggest a wife and some fun bedroom activities, but I don’t think that’s in the cards for you.

    Maybe fishing?

  73. DingleBerry Says:

    Wow dude. You must be some kind of smooth brained simpleton if you don’t think that there are any grey areas in life and everything falls into an extreme. Based on the moronic drivel you just spewed I assume you also share the following beliefs.

    You either love someone or you hate them, no middle ground.

    You’re either a complete success or a total failure.

    You’re either 100% good or 100% bad.

    You either agree with someone 100% of the time or you think they’re an idiot.

    Honestly dude, you sound like a total mongoloid. Enough. You don’t like what I have to say? Ignore it. The only joke hear is you, you pea-brained, slack-jawed mouth breather.

  74. DingleBerry Says:

    Btw dumb dumb there are definitely different degrees to which you can be wrong.

    Hence the distinction in our justice system between different levels of the same crime. There’s a big difference between man slaughter and 1st degree murder. Just as there is also a big difference between non violent shoplifting and armed robbery.

    Sure 2+2=5 is wrong but 2+2=Fish is more wrong because it’s nonsensical and not even close.

    Get schooled idiot.

  75. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    On a multiple choice standardized test there are 3 wrong answers and 1 right answer generally.

    There’s not a more wrong choice or a more right choice.

    What is the answer to the math problem 2 + 2 = 5?

    a) 5
    b) fish
    c) 4
    d) wife

    The right answer is c. The three wrong answers are a, b, d.

    Answer choices a, b and d are no or more less wrong. They are just wrong.

    You kind of missed the math thing.

    Criminal justice is not a science. It’s a construct created by man, and thus flawed, and therefore not applicable when put to the same scientific standard as the scientific field of math.

    2 + 2 = 4 is the right answer anywhere on Earth/Universe.

    It’s a scientific/mathematical law.

    What can get a human charged with Murder 1 from different state to state is different based on human opinion.

    What can get a human charged with Murder from different country to country is different based on human opinion.

    Criminal Justice is an opinion based system created by humans and it differs from what region on Earth those humans live in.

    It’s a culturally agreed upon opinion.

    Opinions are not facts, but it’s a fact that opinions are the basis for criminal justice from state to state, country to country.

    Kind of like you saying that Licht and Arians decision to draft Trask is a mistake is your opinion.

    Based off of your opinion, it is a fact that you stated that you know better what the Bucs should have done with that pick, and thus you think you are smarter than Licht and Arians.

  76. DingleBerry Says:

    Hey I can do that too!

    Everything you just said is an opinion you formulated in your shriveled excuse for a brain. Based on those opinions it is a fact that you’re a dbag and an idiot.

  77. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    You can always tell a civilian who has never traveled out of country.

    There are certain areas of our world whose criminal justice system is derived solely from a religious text.

    If a husband in one of these countries in the Sandbox catches his wife in an affair he is allowed to kill her and it is not a crime as the religious text and religious leaders who run those court systems rule that it is not murder.

    In the US, that would be criminally charged as some form of murder or manslaughter.

    The above two statements are facts, and they are only disputed by ignorant people like yourself who say that criminal justice systems throughout our country and world differ based upon the culturally agreed upon norms/opinions of what a crime is.

    You said that this is as my opinion, but it’s not.

    Go to the Sandbox/Middle East or South Asia and get back to me.

    I can tell you from personal firsthand eyewitness knowledge that their criminal justice system in the Sandbox is far different than the USA’s.

    By stating everything that I wrote is an opinion, you do realize that I wrote that the answer to 2 + 2 = 4, right?

    You just stated to everybody that you think the answer to a kindergarten math problem of 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion.

    Every time you respond to me you leave no doubt that all you are is sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    You’ve been measured and found wanting.

    My new nickname for you is Oxygen Thiefberry.

  78. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    Should read, “don’t differ based upon…”

  79. DingleBerry Says:

    What’s hilarious is that you actually think you’re arguing in the name of scientific/mathematical fact and objectivity but you aren’t.

    You are arguing that the word wrong implies an absolute state. Which is a semantics argument at best and entirely subjective.

    To say that a banana is a vegetable would be wrong. But to say a banana is .50 caliber sniper rifle would be more wrong.

    Never once did I suggest that 2+2=4 is an opinion, thats just a strawman argument that you concieved on your own. You literally just heard someone say that wrong is an absolute state and you’re parroting it. But as I said before you are literally just arguing semantics and you are a certifiable non-genius.

  80. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    “BelleGladeBuc Says:
    May 6th, 2021 at 7:13 am

    On a multiple choice standardized test there are 3 wrong answers and 1 right answer generally.

    There’s not a more wrong choice or a more right choice.

    What is the answer to the math problem 2 + 2 = 5?

    a) 5
    b) fish
    c) 4
    d) wife

    The right answer is c. The three wrong answers are a, b, d.

    Answer choices a, b and d are no or more less wrong. They are just wrong.

    You kind of missed the math thing.

    Criminal justice is not a science. It’s a construct created by man, and thus flawed, and therefore not applicable when put to the same scientific standard as the scientific field of math.

    2 + 2 = 4 is the right answer anywhere on Earth/Universe.

    It’s a scientific/mathematical law.”

    “DingleBerry Says:
    May 6th, 2021 at 7:39 am
    Hey I can do that too!

    Everything you just said is an opinion you formulated in your shriveled excuse for a brain. Based on those opinions it is a fact that you’re a dbag and an idiot.”

    Dude, you responded to my 7:13AM post stating, “Everything you just said is an opinion you formulated in your shriveled excuse for a brain,” in your 7:39 post response to me.

    You absolutely stated that 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion because you stated that “Everything you just said is an opinion you formulated in your shriveled excuse for a brain.”

    I said that “2 + 2 = 4 is the right answer anywhere on Earth/Universe.
    It’s a scientific/mathematical law,” and then you responded to that saying that everything I said was an opinion.

    Well I wrote that 2 + 2 = 4, and no sane or intelligent person would ever say that it is an opinion, and then there’s you who most definitely did state that 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion.

    I notice how you ignored the Sandbox/South Asia Criminal Justice System vs USA Criminal Justice comparison.

    You are not very good at this.

    Do you suffer from dementia?

  81. DingleBerry Says:

    Dude, I love how you didnt address the fact that I called you on your bullcrap trying to peddle off a subjective opinion you hold about the nature of the word wrong as if it were mathematical fact. And youre also really bad at inferring the way someone is saying something to you via text. Like when I said DingleBerry was a family name and I was clearly joking but you thought I was dead serious and lying somehow.

    When I was responding to you this morning I was so obviously mocking your ridiculous excuse for an argument strategy where you asserted matter of factly that because I hold an opinion it proves a fact thst you pulled out of your bunghole.

    Just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself old timer.

  82. Steve M.] Says:

    Trask has a good chance to succeed.
    I mentioned this previously. I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick
    work out with Christian Hackenberg. Hackenberg
    had a canon for an arm, but couldn’t hit the broadside of
    a barn. Fitzmagic was much more accurate and
    made most of his throws. Fitzpatrick is still in the NFL
    and Hackenberg is not
    I read Trask’s NFL scouting
    report and it complimented his accuracy. I read KellenMond’s NFL
    report and it questioned his accuracy. Not to mention Trask is a big durable big guy.

  83. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Dude, I think it’s awesome that you are copying me and using terms like Dude now. That’s awesome Brother!

    There’s a reason divorce lawyers say don’t put anything in writing to your soon to be ex.

    Excuses like I was OBVIOUSLY just joking or I OBVIOUSLY didn’t really mean what I wrote don’t work in our justice system.

    It only matters what you wrote to the court.

    First, you reveal your ignorance by not knowing simple facts like math is a science.

    The field of science is a search for the right answer. There is only one right answer in science. Every other answer is wrong. That’s a fact.

    The only right answer to 2 + 2 is 4.

    Any other answer is wrong.

    Fish is wrong. 5 is wrong. Wife is wrong. Rifle is wrong.

    If your answer is not 4, then you are wrong.

    On a standardized test they don’t take extra points off for wrongness if you answered fish, wife, 5 or rifle for the math question of 2 + 2.

    You can’t be more wrong. You can’t be less wrong.

    You stated that 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion. You OBVIOUSLY wrote that. That’s a fact.

    Secondly, you wrote specifically using the criminal justice system as your example about the subjectivity of the word wrong.

    You have stated that the criminal justice system is uniform in all societies by stating that my argument that it is not is an opinion.

    I provided the Middle East/South Asia Criminal Justice System vs the USA’s Criminal Justice system and you said that it was my opinion that they were different in your post.

    In the Middle East if a husband catches his wife in an affair he is allowed to kill her by the religious leaders and religious criminal justice judges based off of their religious text. In the Middle East that is not murder, but in the USA Criminal Justice system that same act would be possibly charged as Murder dependent on the state prosecutor team’s determination.

    Those are facts.

    And kind of lame and dorky that you’re twisting yourself in pretzels to deny something that is clearly provable about what you wrote.

    Another cool fact, as reported by the awesome Joe Bucs, Tom Brady endorsed the pick.

    You think you know better than Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arians and Super Bowl Champion GM Jason Licht because you disagree with their pick of Trask and think they should have done something different with that pick that you suggested.

    Let’s see, the GOAT Tom Brady, Super Bowl Champion GM Jason Licht, Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arians all think that Kyle Trask is a good QB, but NdogDerry/OxygenThiefBerry thinks that he knows better than the GOAT, Licht and Arians?

    And now you show your bias and bigotry towards humans based on their age, using an age discriminatory term in “old timer.”

    I guess because you have a bias against “old timers” that is why you disagree with 68 year old Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arians decision to draft Kyle Trask and think you know better than him.

  84. DingleBerry Says:

    Lmao! The ego on this guy! Now you invented the word dude and I’m copyong you! Priceless.

    Look I’m gonna try my absolute best to explain this to you in a way you can understand. We are not arguing about the universality of mathematics or the differences in moral relativism between different cultures. Or the fact that multiple choice tests only have 1 correct answer. You are conflating a bunch of stuff together that is completely unrelated to the main point of this ridiculously drawn out argument

    The sole thing you are arguing about is your own personnaly held opinion about the definition of a the word wrong and whether or not it implies an absolute state. Which it doesn’t. There are certain words in the English language that do, like pregnant or dead, but wrong is not one of them.

    There are absolutely degrees to which you can be wrong. You keep referring to middle eastern and southeast Asian cultures and how their values differ than ours, but you fail to realize, or maybe you do realize and are just being obstinent, that even in those different cultures there are things which are considered to be worse, more taboo, and more wrong than other things.

    Literally just google whether wrong implies an absolute state or google can you be more wrong and you will see that is entire time you have been arguing in the name of SEMANTICS!

    For one final analogy/example let’s consider not a multiple choice test, but written answer test. Picture now that there are 3 students , 1 student answers the question 100% correctly and receives full credit, 1 student answers mostly correct but leaves out some key points of data and receives partial credit, and the last student answers 100℅ incorrectly and receives no credit. In this scenario, the last student did worse, or is more wrong than the 2nd student who received partial credit.

    This isn’t even debatable. And you couldnt be more wrong about being more wrong.

  85. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    Dude, brother, last time trying to talk with you.

    It’s been fun, but written responses on anything are always subjective to other humans biases and opinions and that’s why the lawyers sued the SAT and got the them to throw out the written essay portion of the test because of that subjectivity and invalid/unreliable measure of right vs wrong.

    This started over one thing.

    You think that you know better than Super Bowl Champion GM Jason Licht Super Bowl Champion Head Coach Bruce Arians, The GOAT Tom Brady because you think you know more than they do about football and they shouldn’t have drafted Trask, but somebody else who NdogDBerry/OxygenThiefBerry thinks that they should have drafted other than Trask. Those 3 all endorsed drafting Trask with the 64th pick.

    I trust Brady’s, Arian’s and Licht’s football knowledge far more than you, NdogDBerry/OxygenThiefBerry.


  86. DingleBerry Says:

    Here’s the thing, ya D-bag geezer from muck town, just because I disagree with someone, doesn’t mean I’m declaring to know more than them about anything.

    That is the false equivalency I mentioned that you deduced in your own head based on your own subjective opinions. It’s not the truth, and it’s not even remotely close to being a fact. Because it is incredibly falsifiable and facts are not falsifiable. That’s what makes them facts.

    Brady is not the least bit threatened by Trask, and is the ultimate leader/team mate so the only logical thing for him from a team perspective to do is endorse the pick.

    The only point I’m trying to make about Trask is it appears to me as though his ceiling is quite low, and I’d argue that Arians agrees with me based on his comparison of Trask to a Journeyman QB like Brad Johnson (who was a solid game manager at best) instead of someone much better.

    And I’d argue my issue with the pick is more an endorsement of the coaching staff, because with as good as there, why not pick someone more talented and coach them up to be great instead of just ok or pretty good.

    I’ve also expressed to you and others multiple times that I view Jason Licht to be one of the best GM’s in the league. But even the best GM’s don’t bat 1000! You who claims to know so much about football should know this. Licht has made his fair share of mistakes and bad picks, and you could argue he owes a great deal of the credit he receives now to the greatness of Tom Brady and his willingness to come to a 7-9 team and teach them how to win.

    So yeah, you could not be more wrong when you suggest that just because I disagree with a draft pick that I’m saying I know more than Licht and Arians.

    End of discussion.

  87. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Just when I think your football IQ can’t go any lower, you make such ignorant statements about Brad Johnson that show all of us that you don’t know a lot about football.

    Brad Johnson had a 72-53 record as a starting QB.

    His 72 wins place him 59th all time for every QB who has ever played in the NFL.

    Brad Johnson’s winning percentage is higher than such NFL QB’s as Dan Fouts, Eli Manning, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton.

    He’s a 2 time Pro Bowler.

    He led 3 different teams to the playoffs.

    He is a Super Bowl Champion QB.

    He is more than what you state, which is “a solid game manager at best.”

    Low Football IQ people such as you Berry would disrespect such accomplishments.

    Brad Johnson played in an era of the NFL where Bucs Legend and HOF John Lynch and HOF Steve Atwater have both said that they couldn’t play in today’s NFL because the NFL when they played was much more violent and the rules where vastly different.

    That shows your lack of context and football knowledge.

    If Trask matches Brad Johnson’s success in the NFL, then the Bucs got a great player with the 64th draft pick.

    If Trask matches Brad Johnson’s success in the NFL, based on Super Bowl Champion Head Coach QB HOF Whisperer Bruce Arians, then he will be much better than the bust the Bucs have drafted at QB in 3rd rounder Chris Simms, 3rd Rounder Mike Glennon, 1st Rounder Jamie’s Winston, 1st Rounder Josh Freeman, 2nd Rounder Shaun King, etc.

    I’m a Bucs fan 4 Life, putting a Publix Brown Bag over my head and writing Tampa Bay Yucks as a youngster before I played my college ball at a D1AA school.

    Not some bandwagon fan with low football IQ like you.


  88. DingleBerry Says:

    Lmao. Ok bud. You don’t see anyone confusing Brad Johnson for a hall of famer.

    Wins are a not a QB stat, they are a team stat. Football is a team sport, Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl champion, and if you think Brad Johnson was anything more than a solid game manager playing on pretty good teams in Was or in his Super Bowl run with the Bucs a great team with an elite, historic defense, then you’re the one with the low football IQ.

    And for the record, It’s been proven time and time again in the last 15 or so years that you don’t win in todays NFL without an elite QB. Pretty good ain’t good enough anymore. And Brad Johnson isn’t where Trask is now, that’s his absolute ceiling if he manages to fix his mechanical issues and increase him arm strength some.

    Go and listen to Phil Simms opinion of Kyle Trask and how important arm strength is to a QB if you only the respect the opinion of old dudes who played the game.

  89. DingleBerry Says:

    in Was and Min*

    oh btw, Brad Johnson never had more than 26 touchdowns in a season, sorry but thats a game manager.

  90. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    The stupid is strong in you.

    This is a direct quote from you, “ It’s been proven time and time again in the last 15 or so years that you don’t win in todays NFL without an elite QB.”

    In 2005-2006, when the Pittsburgh Steelers won the Super Bowl Ben Roethelisberger was not an elite QB. He threw 17 TD and 9 INT that year. The Steelers won that Super Bowl because of Bettis and their D. In the Super Bowl Bettis and Ward threw the TDs. Big Ben had the worst QBR of any winning Super Bowl QB with a 22. He went 9 – 23 in that Super Bowl victory for 123 yards, no TDs and 2 INT’s. Yes, Big Ben is now a HOF, but in 2005-06 he was nowhere near elite.

    Peyton Manning, 2006-07 Super Bowl Champ = Elite/HOF

    Eli Manning, 2007-08, Super Bowl Champ = Good but Not Elite. His defense was the reason they won and defeated the the GOAT Brady.

    Big Ben, 2008-09 Super Bowl Champ = Elite

    Drew Brees, 2009-10 Super Bowl Champ = Elite

    Aaron Rodgers, 2010-11 Super Bowl Champ = Elite

    Eli Manning, 20011-12, Super Bowl Champ = Good but Not Elite. His defense was the reason they won and defeated the the GOAT.

    Joe Flacco, 2012-13, Super Bowl Champ = Not Elite

    Russell Wilson, 2013-14 Super Bowl Champ = Elite

    Tom Brady, 2014-15 Super Bowl Champ = Elite/GOAT

    Peyton Manning, 2015-16 Super Bowl Champ = Not Elite. Peyton was a shell of his former greatness. Throwing 9 TDs and 17 INTs in the regular season. In the Super Bowl he went 13-23 for 141 yards with zero TDs and 1 INT with a QBR of 55. Denver’s Von Miller defense led them to victory.

    Tom Brady, 2016-17 Super Bowl Champ = Elite/GOAT

    Nick Foles, 2017-18 Super Bowl Champ = Not Elite

    Tom Brady, 2018-19 Super Bowl Champ = Elite/GOAT

    Patrick Mahomes, 2019-20 Super Bowl Champ = Elite

    Tom Brady, 2020-21 Super Bowl Champ = Elite/GOAT

    That’s 6 Non Elite Vs 10 Elite

    You don’t need Elite QB’s to win in the past 15 or 16 years.

    Again, you are wrong, ignorant, containing a low football IQ and obviously not much of a football fan not to know it’s history.

  91. DingleBerry Says:

    You literally made a list, which wasn’t accurate because the in 2007 and 2011 Eli was an elite QB he was the #7 and #4 best QB in those respective seasons. So it should be 12 elite to 4 non elite. Literally 75% or the overwhelming majority of the time an Elite QB won the SB.

    The times that a non QB won, the team had an elite defense or in the Eagles case, had an elite defense and a back up QB who played out of his mind good and outdueled the Greatest of all time who himself had thrown for more than 500 yards in the Super Bowl.

    I know far more about Football than you are giving me credit just because you disagree with me. Granted I should have added the qualifier of needing a truly great defense to win without an elite QB.

    Other than that you do, and that is represented in the numbers the vast majority of the time. Besides I thought you were done talking to me?

  92. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    Winning matters for QB’s. That’s a fact.

    Tom Brady is nowhere near as physically gifted a as Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes.

    What makes him the GOAT is winning. Without that, Aaron Rodgers is the One most agree is the best overall QB, with Mahomes a close 2nd because he hasn’t done it as long.

    But the reason Brady is the GOAT is because of his leading his team to victories.

    After 10 Super Bowl appearances and 7 victories, do you hear a lot of people say Bellicheck’s defense was the reason the Pats won their first Super Bowl by shutting down The Greatest Show on Turf, and without Vinaterri’s clutch kicking they lose?

    How about the 4 turnovers Bellicheck’s defense caused against the Donovan McNab led Eagles i. The Super Bowl. Does Bellicheck’s defense get most of the credit for that Super Bowl victory, which without those 4 turnovers they don’t win, or does Brady.

    Because of all of the GOATS winning it makes people not think about those things.

    Again, you show your football ignorance.

  93. DingleBerry Says:

    Brady may not have the same kind arm talent as Mahommes or Rodgers or Marino, but he is still very much an elite thrower of the football.

    And the things that make Tom Brady the hyper successful winner he is, aside from his arm and his brain, are his intangible qualities.

    The guy is by the best leader of men and motivator the NFL has ever seen. He is one of if not the most driven athlete in not just NFL history, but sports history, always dedicated to improving whether it means eating the best diet or training countless hours with Tom House to improve his biomechanics to produce the most amount of kinetic energy as efficiently as he can while also reducing strain. And probably most important of all, he has the clutch gene and the never quit gene.

    The guy is the catalyst for success with his teams, especially later on in his career. But here’s the thing, Tom Brady is a friggin unicorn. You cannot compare him to anyone else. He is the exception not the rule.

    And even still, as great as he is, the Goat can’t get it done by himself, he never would have left New England when he did if that was the case.

    Wins are team stat, and especially Super Bowl wins are team stat. You can put the best QB in the world on a bad team, and while they might make the most out of it, they won’t be enough to win the Super Bowl by themselves.

    Again, you show your arrogance.

  94. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Eli Manning is not an elite QB.

    Michael Strahan and the defense were the reason they defeated Brady and the Pats the first time.

    JPP and the defense were the reason the Giants defeated Brady a second time, along with a miracle throw and catch against a perfectly defended play.

    The stupid is very strong in you.

    QBR is the most important metric for QB’s other than wins.

    An average QBR for a season is in the mid 60’s. A good QBR average for a season is in the mid 70’s. A great QBR average for a season is in the 80’s or 90’s.

    In 2007 and 2011 Eli was QB #7 and #4 for pass attempts. That means he threw a lot of passes. That’s it.

    In 2007 Eli Manning’s QBR was a very non elite 52, ranking him #19 for that season in the NFL among QB’s.

    In 2011 Eli Manning’s QBR was an average 64.2, but to his credit in a down year for QBs it did rank him #9 for that season in the NFL among QB’s.

    Just for giggles.

    In 2002, when Brad Johnson led the Bucs to their Super Bowl victory, Brad Johnson had an elite QBR average of 92.9, ranking him #3 for that season in the NFL among QB’s.

  95. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    I love Brady, but his arm talent is nowhere near that of Rodgers of Mahomes.

    Rodgers and Mahomes can do everything that Brady can do and more, except for winning.

    I love Mahomes, hate Rodgers, and I respect all of their game.

    Can Brady roll out left, throw across his body off of his back foot 65 yards in the air to the end zone like Rodgers did against the Cardinals? How about roll right and throw the ball 70 yards in the air to the end zone like Rodgers did against Detroit? Mahomes can do that and more.

    The answer is no, Tom Brady can’t, but he’s still the GOAT.

  96. DingleBerry Says:

    I’m just amazed how you literally told me 2 days ago that you were done trying to talk with me and here you are still talking away typing full columns of text at me. Yet I’m the oxygen thief.

    If you include how clutch Eli was in the 2007 post season, he was probably the 7th or 8th best QB in the league that year I dont care what you say. But like I said when I amended my original statement, you either need an Elite QB or an Elite Defense to win championships. And the vast majority of the time the Elite QB still wins out. You can deny that all you like for the sake of arguing against me, but I doubt you dont believe that if you claim to know as much about the game as you do.

    QBR is just like QB rating. It’s a flawed metric that doesn’t incapsulate fully what good QB play is. It’s just a number. But you can continue to worship QBR and Brad Johnson who never threw more than 26 touchdowns in a season but somehow wasn’t a game manager.

  97. DingleBerry Says:

    And you literally repeated what I said, I said Brady didn’t have the arm talent of those 2, but still has an elite arm that gets severely under-rated.