Chris Simms: Down On Kyle Trask Pick
May 3rd, 2021
One of the active and insightful quarterback gurus, a former Buccaneer who remains a Tampa Bay fan and isn’t ashamed to say it, has weighed in on the Bucs drafting a QB in Round 2 of the 2021 NFL Draft.
The analyst is Chris Simms, and the rookie is Kyle Trask, the two-year starter from the University of Florida.
Simms talked about Trask with his PFT Live co-host Mike Florio today and Simms wasn’t throwing bouquets to the Bucs. That’s partly because Simms saw Texas A&M QB Kellen Mond as the better quarterback. Mond was taken by the Vikings in Round 3.
”I don’t know quite all the way [what the Bucs see in Trask,]” Simms said. ”It’s a slow release. It’s not a real strong arm. It’s a below average athlete for this age in the NFL. And he doesn’t necessarily play really big to me. That’s where I was a little surprised by it that way. But, hey, they saw otherwise.”
Simms went on to say he did hear Bucco Bruce Arians say he likes Trask’s size, and two years at Florida, and that he has a strong feel for the position. Simms just isn’t that high on the film. Mildly interesting is former NFL Brady Quinn was a big fan of Mond leading up to the draft, as well, liking him for the Bucs in Round 1.
Regardless, Trask landed in an ideal spot, Simms said. And he conceded if the Bucs can maintain Trask’s great shape and quickness displayed at his Pro Day, and adjust his throwing, they might have a guy who can exceed Simms’ low expectations.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:37 pm
I get the college game doesn’t always translate to the pro’s but the guy led the nation in touchdown passes and that has to mean something. 43 touchdown passes is a lot and to you Joe’s and this Joe, that’s what we call production.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:38 pm
What a shock.
Someone who has been spot on with his QB evaluations for the last few years doesn’t like the Kyle Trask pick.
Shocking. I’m shocked.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:41 pm
Yep Chrisie , as the Panthers called him, has an opinion.
Anyone have their way back machine cranked up?
Wonder what Simms had to say about Jameis , not that any of it will matter.
Trask will have his day on Sunday’s , hopefully later rather than sooner.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:43 pm
Simms is a moron. Kyle trask was one of the best QB’s in all of college football. Consistently dropped Peyton Manning-like dimes all season. I have seen that kind of touch from a college qb in a while. Also I’m not a gators fan
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:43 pm
I think Joel Glazer forced that pick. He looked the most fired-up in the War Room (looking like Mr. Burns in skinny jeans).
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:44 pm
He also said he isn’t very mobile. Which I’m still not quite sure why that even matters.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:46 pm
I don’t get why everyone says these days that you have to have a running quarterback. Why? The Bucs just proved that you can win with a traditional pocket passer. Besides, nearly all running QB’S get injured due to running too much, go figure. As long as they have a good offensive line, I have ZERO problem with us having a traditional pocket passing QB.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:48 pm
So if Mond ends up being great and Trask not, it’s going to look like passing on Mahomes for Trubisky.
May 3rd, 2021 at 6:51 pm
Simms has some exspleening to do. Trask will be a better pro then he thinks. You don’t lay 400 yards on Bama, and throw for 44 TD’s in the SEC if you can’t play. I’ll take a Mullens’ QB over a Jimbo Fisher QB any day.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:06 pm
Simms was high on Kellen Mond and Mac Jones. We’ll see how it turns out. I do like Chris Simms and listen to his podcast every week but his rankings are usually different then the “consensus”.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:06 pm
Not even a week after the draft and the JBF expert analysis is out on Trask. LOL. Let’s let him at least take a snap before you throw him to the wolves. One of my favorites was right after the Bucs drafted Trask, some couch GM was on here saying fire Licht. LOL. Yeah let’s axe the GM responsible for giving relevance to the team fresh off a Super Bowl victory.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:10 pm
Did the Bucs NEED to draft a QB this year…and spend a 2? And was was Trask a value at 2? Please be reminded, a lot of former first round picks can become available a year or two after they didn’t make a huge first-round impact in just a few starts. Sometimes, they just need a new environment and a system they are comfortable in. Ergo, picking up a guy with a few years of NFL experience, even if it’s on the clipboard, can be a better value than spending a 2 at the QB position. We’ll see…
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:11 pm
–Poor build
–Skinny
–Lacks great physical stature and strength
–Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush
–Lacks a really strong arm
–Can’t drive the ball downfield
–Does not throw a really tight spiral
–System-type player who can get exposed if forced to ad lib
–Gets knocked down easily
Scouting report on TB12 coming out of college.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:12 pm
All these articles and “experts” talking so bad about the Trask pick, reminds me of when Licht picked Vita and everyone killed him for not taking James. Not saying Trask will be come the best QB in the NFL. But look at Vita now, he legit is the best NT in the NFL, and he can play 3tech and they have moved him to 5tech…
people also questioned the SMB pick. I think this staff has proven that they know how to do their homework.
I also don’t get how Pitts is considered so great, the WR got taken in the first… But somehow their QB sucks?
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:13 pm
Loved watching Trask play at UF. But what Simms said about his slow release is something that’s made me doubtful about his success at the next level. But hey what do I know, I’m no expert.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:16 pm
If we get a starter at QB down the road, it was a fantastic pick. If he’s a career backup or worse, it’s still no worse than Aguayo. It’s also not worse than Jay Miss at #1, which was a colossal waste of five years.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:17 pm
Alvin
Exactly.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:20 pm
I guess Trask is sort of like Simms….
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:22 pm
That Trask tape against Oklahoma was ugly.
3 Ints in the 1st quarter.
I don’t him or Mond are gonna turn out to be much.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:25 pm
Jmarkbuc – Thanks for that reminder. Similar to Trask’s evaluations. I think he will have the best QB coaching available anywhere – and will thrive. Only time will tell who are the experts here. But I think the kid has a good chance to be just fine.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:28 pm
Just seems like negative takes are more popular with those that have platforms in today’s media. What I remember is trask damn near hanging 50 on Alabama. Kellen mond hung 24 on same team. But I guess you can suck and throw almost 50 TDS in a season right?
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:30 pm
What QBs has Simms been right on? Folks run with opinions without ever referencing credibility of the opinion. I think Simms has good insight but nobody is knocking down his door to run their organization.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:31 pm
Trask had a better collegiate career than Simms , he’ll have a better pro career as well …. while wearing #2 lol … Simms pls fall all the way back sirr GoBucs!!
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:33 pm
I’d rather take a chance at Trask developing into an eventual starter than a guy that has no chance at starting.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:38 pm
TB12 is going to show Trask how to take all outside noise and channel that into becoming a better player. Brady wants to show the young rookie that he’s the man and I also believe he will be 100% open to mentoring and being available to help when appropriate.
Brady is so competitive that when he starts to realize his time for playing is coming to an end, he will want to see his successor lead the team to victory and a aid in any possible development. #Team Player
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:40 pm
Reminds me of the time the Bucs won a SB…and selected a QB with the final pick of a round. Stunk then…stinks now. Boy oh swell.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:44 pm
Chris Simms makes some good points and then sh!ts the bed on other points. I’ll trust BA over a QB that only made it because of his daddy.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:45 pm
TBBF: I thought the same thing. I’ve never seen a QB get so many passes batted down at the LOS as Chris Simms.
DingleBerry: I fail to see any logic in your assumptions of Kyle Trask. You praise a number 1 overall pick that busted with the Bucs, yet call someone a bust before he’s taken a snap in the NFL. That’s called “talking out of both sides of your mouth”.
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:45 pm
Same guy who stated that Justin Fields would fall to the Bucs at 32
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:46 pm
Sims can’t talk all he ever was is a backup. Sims was trouble, I think he will learn a lot from Brady
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:57 pm
I like Davis Mills overall mechanics and quick release but I’m sure Davis has been to Many more QB camps than a Trask has! I believe our coaches and Brady will polish this QB Trask to be a shiny silver dollar before it’s all said and done!
May 3rd, 2021 at 7:59 pm
Says the man who was a below average at best NFL QB, passing judgement. What has he ever won?
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:03 pm
You can handpick whatever game you want of Trask’s to further your case regardless of what side of the fence you are on. Nevertheless, the fact remains, Trask is incredibly accurate. If you’re starting with that ability, then a good coaching staff can build on that.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:04 pm
We’ve already been through one Jimbo Fisher quarterback with this team; it’s time to move on and not take any other QB from Jimbo Fisher’s teams ever again.
That said, all of Simms’ comments are predicated on the idea that a mobile quarterback is better than a pocket passer these days. Hello???
We just won the SUPER BOWL with a pocket passer. That style is nowhere close to dead. Screw you Chris Simms, whether you’re a former Bucs QB or not. You got to stop huffing the network narrative BS and risking exposing yourself as a sellout.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:11 pm
I would have been good if they didn’t take a quarterback at all will really hate the pick if they sign gabbert back but it is what is at this point nothing can be done now mistake or not hoping for the best because I love the bucs go bucs
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:19 pm
First of all it was a 64th pick. Second like another fan said, let him take some snaps first and let him learn. Third tell Chris Simms to kiss my ass. GO BUCS!
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:23 pm
What has Simms ever been right about someone asked.
In 2017 he wrote an article for Bleacher Report titled “Patrick Mahommes is 2017 NFL Drafts most special QB talent.”
In 2018 he ranked the upcoming QB prospects as such:
1. Lamar Jackson
2. Josh Allen
3. Baker Mayfield
4. Sam Darnold
5. Josh Rosen
These rankings were well outside of the consensus, literally when people were still trying to say Lamar Jackson should switch to WR, and basically were right on the money.
In 2019 he had Kyle Murray correctly rated as the top prospect at QB, but was off on his ranking of Daniel Jones who he was very much down on but is arguably the 2nd best QB in the class but still isn’t very good. Drew Lock could end up being better if he can stay healthy, Simms had Lock as his #2 guy that year.
And in 2020 he dead on the money with having Justin Herbert as his #2 QB behind Burrow and 2 spots above Tua.
By and large, Simms has been quite good at evaluating QB prospects for the last 4 years, and I don’t see why this year should be any different.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:24 pm
he *was* dead on the money.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:26 pm
Everybody compares from what is considered the best at the time which would be Mahomes so everyone grades those who are different than that mold as inferior. Success is determined on the field and with time, Brady is a perfect example of that, any year that has not been successful for him everyone was looking to write him off as declining. QBs that are able to stay calm and manage the game are the ones who win, they don’t always get all the accolades and some are called game managers like Brady, Manning and Montana. That doesn’t mean that they win all the games sometimes the more explosive QB wins but over time the more focus and consistent QBs have shown to prevail. So when your looking for a QB it is not always bad to get one which people thinks needs work as they are the ones who continually keep working and improving every year.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:38 pm
The roster is stacked, however watch the Bucs POUNCE on any high profile safety or corner released in the coming weeks/ months. The back end of the defense could use that type of help.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:39 pm
Kyle 🗑 will be out of the league before Tom Brady retire
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:42 pm
I’m biased as a Gators fan, but I truly think he’s the real deal. The kid has the right mentality and will not waste any opportunity that comes his way. He ran Mullens offense very well. I’m not worried about arm strength, I know BA and Lefty will put him in the right spots. He’s going to be developed properly by coaches who want him. He will soak up any info. There’s plenty of weapons and support all around him. Besides, he was basically a 3rd rounder, worse case scenario he gets let go. This is Tom’s job until he says he’s done, literally no pressure from anywhere other than the talking heads (not you Joe, keep up the good work).
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:43 pm
I would have preferred Mond myself, but it is what it is and I trust our coaches to pull out whatever talent this kid has. If he’s our second string qb for the next 5 years then he was well worth the low investment.
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:55 pm
I was on Mond over Trask, as well…But it is what it is.
If he doesn’t develop into a starter level player by Yr2…There is always the silver lining of having a cost controlled rookie contract BU QB on the roster the next 4yrs.
May 3rd, 2021 at 9:15 pm
No way is Mond better than kyle
May 3rd, 2021 at 9:32 pm
There were alot of analysts down on Brady when he was drafted too. They must talk for a living. Enough said
May 3rd, 2021 at 9:33 pm
Can Trask stand on his 45 yard line and drop the ball in the end zone? (Brady still can) That is the only test
May 3rd, 2021 at 9:59 pm
This pick was one spot away from being a third round pick. Most complaints I see on here are people upset that he was a 2nd round pick.
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:03 pm
DINGLEBERRY – DRAFT GRIEF TOUR DAY #3
We all look forward to him posting more of his Anti-Trask pick posts to go with the 2,457 posts he’s already made saying the same thing.
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:21 pm
Remember this is the same guy who said Justin Fields would be at 32. Lmao stfu Chris
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:22 pm
Time will tell.
One think I like about Trask is he progressed from year 1 and 2. Mond seemed to be consistent in the 4 years he was starting but didnt seem to take big strides like Trask and plateaued in the accuracy field. We didnt draft a QB to run, Trask seems like he has some nice tools and hopefully a couple years under Brady will help.
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:29 pm
The onlyiest thing that really matters is that Trask was a Gator and thats good enough for me.
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:30 pm
So called experts said Brady couldn’t throw deep anymore either and that his arm was losing strength. All he did in his first season in BAs downfield offense was lead the league in deep passes. Before the draft I was hoping for Mond as well but I watch the Bama game and Trask put up almost 50 on that defense! I believe Arians and Leftwhich when they say he can make every throw in their offense. Time will tell if he is the real deal but I think he has a chance. Let’s goooo Bucs
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:32 pm
Chris Sims is the same guy who thought Justin fields would fall to 32 has no idea what he’s talking about, he also has Brady at #9 all time.
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:38 pm
Simms knows bad QB’s = Takes one to know one… Oh Ya simms jr sucked as QB..
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:45 pm
Trask was likely the lowest risk/greatest reward of what was left…
Davis Mills had much lesser opponents he played against and Mond is likely just the next bust in the long line of all of Jimbo’s qb failure….
With Brady and the many qb coaches the Bucs have, Trask should have as good a chance as any to develop as NFL caliber QB!
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:50 pm
I take back everything I said about trask. He’s a perfect for you. He sucks and the team will in three years. This guy has next sucky bucs qb written all over him. He’ll fit in perfectly for a 5-12 team. Y’all deserve him
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:51 pm
3 years from now, when it matters, Trask will be an even better quarterback by learning from the best. Not concerned at all.
May 3rd, 2021 at 10:54 pm
Simms and Brady Quinn might have credibility as analyst but Kyle Trask does not have to be a superstar to surpass their professional accomplishments. Everyone has an opinion, time will tell. But until then the Bucs opinion is the only one that matters
May 3rd, 2021 at 11:08 pm
Trask is a rhythm-based thrower with much better accuracy than what I saw of Kellen Monde. Seems to make good decisions w/i the framework of the off. (pro-style) scheme and will most certainly be a better backup this year than Monde would be.
A big reach as a starting QB of the future but Chris Sims has no credibility here. Two years ago Simms ranked Ben Roethisberger, Matt Ryan and CAM NEWTON as better QBs than Tom and Drew Brees.
Enough said.
May 3rd, 2021 at 11:13 pm
Everyone bringing up Simms career as a player as if that is at all relevant to his abilities to identify and evaluate talent, you’re deeply confused.
Was Bill Belichick a hall of fame player? Was Bruce Arians or Jason Licht?
You are bringing up something that literally does not matter.
Simms knows more about quarterbacking and football than anyone commenting on Joebucsfan.com On that you can be sure.
May 3rd, 2021 at 11:19 pm
DINGLEBERRY:
ANTI-TRASK POST WATCH: Post #2,458
May 3rd, 2021 at 11:53 pm
Kyle has had a few batted passes. Maybe Chrissy sees something of himself in Kyle.
Look I hated the pick and agree with many of the negsayers on Trask.
However, BA, JL, Tom Moore, BL, Clod’s Crutacean and TB12 might know more about it than us armchair drafturbators. I’m suspending my negs. Go Trask. Be a good clipboard holder. Go Bucs.
May 4th, 2021 at 12:13 am
I just dont know….did my homework on him, not excited but we’ll see, im pulling for the kid.
May 4th, 2021 at 12:43 am
Chris Simms was a total bust of a QB in the NFL. He never amounted to a pile of Winston. But somehow he’s a guru? Please. Go pound sand and watch videos of your daddy doing things you never could.
May 4th, 2021 at 12:52 am
Trask is OK but using our second pick, even if it was at the end of the second round was disappointing. They should have at least tried trading back into the third round and accumulated an extra pick and then took Trask. It wasn’t until they took Trask that two teams grabbed QB’s right after that. I think they could’ve waited and got one of the three. They caused the mini run on QB’s. FA QB Feleipe Franks signed on with Atlanta. Keep an eye on him in the future. I think he will get a shot in the bigs. Hell he might even be Matty Ice’s future replacement.
May 4th, 2021 at 1:17 am
well…
let’s just call him a filibuster …
he fills a need…
but very well could be a bust…
“filibuster”
time will tell…
#TraskTheFilibuster
May 4th, 2021 at 2:01 am
Yikes!
This post is getting responses.
OK WTF is Chris Simms doing bitchin about a QBs wind up?
I seem to recall his own throwing motion was timed with a sun dial.
I think he led the NFL in batted balls.
I am not a fan of the scrambling/ running QB. While they make great highlights film they have one crucial weakness.
Injuries
I think Tom Brady has proven again & again. That accuracy and decision making trumps mobility. Pocket presence and the ability to move in the pocket is not the same as a back yard scrambling QB.
Mahomes is the current poster child. Amazing athletic ability. But he has a bun foot already and it’s the type of injury that doesn’t really go away and may limit his career.
As for Kyle Trask. He not going to be the starter unless the injury bug or Belichick sends a hit squad to take Brady out. Let’s see how he does in camp and preseason (do we even have preseason anymore?)
Bruce has an amazing coaching staff assembled, let them work on Trask. While we prepare for Brady to lead this team to another winning season, playoffs and possibly of repeating as Champions.
May 4th, 2021 at 2:04 am
It wasn’t until they took Trask that two teams grabbed QB’s right after that. I think they could’ve waited and got one of the three.
That’s the thing. The Bucs didn’t want one of the three. They wanted Kyle Trask. You get him in the 2nd round. No telling if he lasts until the end of the 3rd round.
May 4th, 2021 at 2:05 am
Ironic the same people who say Chris Simms knows more about QB’s than fans commenting don’t give the Bucs coaching and scouting staff they same respect. The same fans assume they can draft better than the professionals staking their jobs and professional reputation on the line after doing exhaustive research on prospective players beyond reading message boards and looking at highlights
May 4th, 2021 at 2:14 am
Great point, C2asante.
May 4th, 2021 at 6:05 am
who the hell is chris simms……… heres what he said about jamis winsnot…
Simms Says Winston Is Slam Dunk No. 1 Pick
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By Zach Shapiro
Mar. 29, 2015
May 4th, 2021 at 7:48 am
Simms was the guy that said he really liked Lamar Jackson better than any QB in that draft before that draft. Jackson has been productive in Bmore and most likely gets a ring or two. Sims grew up eating and breathing football , so he knows alot. One immeasurable is determination and heart , Trask has both in abundance. Please do not forget Trask did not have his two biggest weapons in the Oklahoma game.
May 4th, 2021 at 8:14 am
I forgot. For all that running around, what has Lamar Jackson won? He’ll be the next RG3. Cam Newton, his defense took him to the S.B., since then he’s been nothing. Mike Vick never won a S.B., Dilfer did, so did Flacco. Both with Baltimore, Jackson hasn’t, hmmm.
May 4th, 2021 at 8:31 am
DingleBerry Says:
May 3rd, 2021 at 8:23 pm
What has Simms ever been right about someone asked.
In 2017 he wrote an article for Bleacher Report titled “Patrick Mahommes is 2017 NFL Drafts most special QB talent.”
In 2018 he ranked the upcoming QB prospects as such:
1. Lamar Jackson
2. Josh Allen
3. Baker Mayfield
4. Sam Darnold
5. Josh Rosen
I would say your post is misleading. Because:
1. In 2017 he actually rated Trubisky his number 1.
2. In 2018 the rating that you referenced is his March 1st rating to Dan Patrick.
On April 1, 2018 his rating to Peter King changed to:
1. Josh Allen, Wyoming
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
4. Lamar Jackson, Louisville
5. Sam Darnold, USC
May 4th, 2021 at 8:34 am
2019 Simms said Kyle Murray, Drew Lock, and Dwayne Haskins are all worth of top 10 picks.
I love that Simms has different perspectives and does not just go with the crowd. But just like the fans and the GM’s and scouts – sometimes he is right and sometimes he is wrong.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:48 am
I think Mond, Frank’s, and Mills all have higher upside than Trask…
But oh well. Hopefully the staff and sitting behind Brady will transform his game. Otherwise it’s a waste of a pick. Go Bucs!
May 4th, 2021 at 12:05 pm
I’ve watched Trask’s best games since the draft and his worst and he still played well, was accurate, and gritty in them (I think it was Alabama, LSU, and Texas A&M). I watched one Mond game since the draft, I think it was against LSU where he went 11-33 or something like that. I wasn’t super impressed.
May 4th, 2021 at 1:05 pm
What is up with all the Kyle Trask hate? I watched him play and came away extremely impressed. Yeah he had some great weapons so did mac Jones. Was he supposed to throw to players on a different team. Dude came from nowhere to become a heisman finalist. I like this pick alot. Hes a much much better prospect then Simms ever was.
May 4th, 2021 at 1:10 pm
Can’t call Sims a has-been because he is a Neverwas..
May 4th, 2021 at 6:18 pm
Chris Simms predicted and picked Kansas City to beat the Bucs easily on his show with Mike Florio.
Simms predicted the Chiefs would defeat the Bucs in the Super Bowl 38-20.
When a person is that incredibly wrong about something that they are supposedly an expert about they lose all credibility.
Because of that prediction, Simms earns every bit of ridicule of his football expertise as well as his horrible playing career.
May 4th, 2021 at 8:07 pm
I can tell you this. Those of you who keep on bringing up Franks as having a better career are sadly mistaken. He was awful with the Gators and when he got hurt, it was evident from the first game that Trask was much better. What I like about Trask is his confidence in himself and he makes the little moves in the pocket to slip away from rushers, which is exactly what most good quarterbacks look like in the pocket. Also, he can run just enough to get out of trouble and pick up first downs. Not everyone is going to run like Jackson. Has a nice catchable pass as well.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:16 pm
Funny thing is if brady was coming out today, he would still be a 6th round pick. Go figure!
May 5th, 2021 at 4:01 pm
@RCS,
Mike Evans and Johnny Foosball, ring a bell?