Feedback From College Coaches Is Good
May 9th, 2021
College coaches approved.
In a lot of ways, the NFL and college football are two different games.
College football is more about speed. The NFL is about power or a combination of both power and speed. And despite in recent years the NFL using more and more mobile quarterbacks, the game still has a traditional dropback-stay-in-the-pocket passer standing on the mountain top.
Of course, the width of the hashmarks sort of forces college ball to be more open.
So for all of those like Bucky Brooks of NFL Network who tout how the NFL game has changed and you need a mobile quarterback to succeed, there’s ol’ park-violating, home-invading, NFLPA-ignoring, down-forgetting, handshake-stiffing, jet-ski-losing, biscuit-baking, tequila-shooting, smartphone-phobic, waffle-grilling, trophy-throwing, roller-coaster-scared, numbers-rules-peeved, Bucs-Super-Bowl-winning quarterback Tom Brady tossing the Lombardi trophy to Cam Brate in another boat.
(As Michael Lombardi said of those like Brooks who claim you need a mobile quarterback to succeed, “Are you telling me that Danny Marino couldn’t play in today’s game?”)
There is also a sort of divide in what both college football people and NFL people consider good. In college, many believe Penn State coach James Franklin is a wizard. Many in the NFL believe he’s a joke of a cheerleader.
In college, you need to recruit or you will get buried quickly (go check out the college records for Bill Parcells and Bill Walsh). Often, X’s and O’s take a backseat to recruiting. In the NFL, the zeros on a check and the players recruit more than coaches.
So Joe took the following with a slight grain of salt, though it was interesting. A
Adam Rittenberg of BSPN decided to get feedback from only college coaches in his NFL draft review. It’s a cool outside-the-box angle, but remember, the NFL is not college football. Coaches Rittenberg spoke with are high on the Bucs selection of quarterback Kyle Trask.
Coaches like the outlooks for both SEC quarterbacks drafted on Day 2: [led by] Florida’s Kyle Trask (second round, Tampa Bay Buccaneers). … A former SEC head coach thinks Trask might become the third-best quarterback in the draft, behind Lawrence and Wilson, while other coaches say he will benefit from working with Tom Brady in Tampa.
Well, Joe can say this: If Trask does indeed turn out to be the third-best quarterback in the draft, the Bucs likely have a top-15 starting quarterback and it is fair to assume there will be playoff games played while Trask is the Bucs quarterback.
And while Joe has no firm opinion about Trask — Joe believes the Bucs’ braintrust has more than earned the benefit of the doubt — Joe cannot get out of his head how college football people thought gimmick, runaround quarterback Marcus Mariota was the second coming.
May 9th, 2021 at 1:00 am
We will see in training camp Joe.
Do you know if the Bucs are planning on having their Training Camp open to the public this year?
I’d like to see how Trask looks.
The good news is Brady does not see him as a threat and has already called the rookie. So no Green Bay style drama.
Also Trask is under no pressure other than to learn and compete for the #2 slot.
May 9th, 2021 at 1:06 am
Joe,
What’s a gimmick QB?
May 9th, 2021 at 2:26 am
Joe – I’m with you on no form opinion on Trask and I’ve always said….
In BA I Trust!
May 9th, 2021 at 2:45 am
Feedback from college coaches is good… but for a live sound engineer like me, feedback equals failure.
May 9th, 2021 at 2:51 am
Almost as bad as those who thought Johnny football was the second coming
May 9th, 2021 at 2:53 am
A lot can change between now and July. Will have a little better idea this week sometime. Right now it doesn’t look good.
May 9th, 2021 at 3:13 am
WinSTUNNED or Marry outta, …trade down in hindsight lol
May 9th, 2021 at 5:47 am
Just saw a pic of Kyle at Dick Vitale’s charity dinner & his pot belly looks bigger than Vita Vea’s right now. Major RED FLAG
May 9th, 2021 at 6:07 am
I think Trask is going to shut a lot of naysayers up in preseason. Once they realize his arm strength is good enough to be really effective, due to his excellent accuracy, they’ll realize the tremendous upside he actually has.
May 9th, 2021 at 6:52 am
Gunsliger was used yesterday for brady
Would it be added to the moniker list?
Of course not …cause that is kind of a positive cool moniker
Only jameis gets those 😂
You know guys joe really likes 😂
Joe is a closet brady hater. Pretty obvious. Of course , he respects brady as he will tell yah in his write-ups. 😂 cause bucs won super bowl with the “farm animal”. 😂
Truly unbelievable that jameis and johnny = amazing
Brady = well read the daily paragraph above
Insert twilight zone music in 3 , 2 …1
May 9th, 2021 at 6:55 am
Pre-season doesn’t mean much. Just entertainment at best. Jarrett Stidham was all world in pre his rookie year so it’s meaningless to me. Give the guy a couple of years to develope .
May 9th, 2021 at 7:02 am
Both franchises thought jameis and mariota were saviors…both franchises got burned but wouldn’t have lead us to Brady. Can’t wait to pummel him and neither can the rest of the south.
May 9th, 2021 at 7:37 am
I don’t like the Gators or FSU (I will root for them against out of state teams though), so nothing personal here with Trask. Dude threw for 43 touchdowns and completed 68.9% of his passes in the best college football conference on earth. He’s going to be watching and learning how to play quarterback from the best football player to ever live. His head coach is a two time coach of the year who just won the superbowl and it’s downright criminal that his offensive coordinator did not get interviewed for a head coaching job. The future is bright for this kid and it’s silly to think that he can’t succeed. Come on pre-season!
May 9th, 2021 at 7:55 am
Medicated Pete. Did not see the picture of the pot belly that you are talking about. Trask ran the 40 without his shirt on for his pro day dude. Not seeing a body that was worse than Manning, Brees, Brady, Ryan, Stafford or Winston. By the way, doesn’t Shaq Barrett have a pot belly.
Major red flag for a guy that is supposed to win in the pocket. I think not.
“Trask is not that much different from Mac Jones,” an exec said. “He’s bigger. Mac moves a tad better, but Trask is super-accurate, very tough. I like him better than Mond and Mills.”
“Trask will be a good one to groom,” another exec said…
May 9th, 2021 at 8:20 am
I’m with Joe on this one….no opinion until he plays…..and even then it will take a body of work to determine if this was a wise pick.
I suspect like other players opinions have already been taken and many are dug in trying to convince others. I just hope Buc fans root for him to be great….why not?
May 9th, 2021 at 8:57 am
Don’t need a mobile QB to succeed but it certainly opens up opportunities on offense and is clearly the way the rules are steering the game.
May 9th, 2021 at 9:03 am
If Trask does indeed turn out to be the third-best quarterback in the draft, the Bucs likely have a top-15 starting quarterback and it is fair to assume there will be playoff games played while Trask is the Bucs quarterback.
– for Joe to previously “pooh-pooh” hope, that’s sure is alot of hope.
May 9th, 2021 at 9:06 am
Unmedicated pete
Go watch trask proday. He did all his running with no shirt on
Does he have a six pack ? Nope
He is not a mobile qb. Does his gut look normal – yup
Even when in starter stance , nothing to see there
Again , we need to get you some meds quickly. Everyone worried on here tmax
May 9th, 2021 at 9:13 am
Medicated Pete posting on a thread is a major red flag that th conversation has soured.
May 9th, 2021 at 9:37 am
If there was a “like” button, I would have clicked it on Leighroy’s post..
May 9th, 2021 at 9:40 am
@ Medicated Pete. I just got online and read your post. I’ll admit you had me there for a second thinking that Trask had let himself go. Then I checked who the poster was. Thankfully it was you as you have not garnered any credibility on this site I realized it was fake news. Just the ramblings of a disgruntled troll.
May 9th, 2021 at 10:17 am
I think people misunderstand what these guys are saying when they say the era of the pure pocket passer is coming to an end.
They aren’t saying a pure pocket passer can’t succeed in the NFL, because obviously there are guys that fall into that category that are still successful, primarily Tom Brady being the ultimate example, but also (to a lesser extent) guys like Matt Ryan, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, and Matt Stafford. Although even Stafford has some mobility to his game and throw accurately from pretty much any platform.
But you don’t see any young guys coming into the NFL any more that are statues in the pocket being extremely successful. Virtually ALL of the best young QB’s in the league have at the very least better than average mobility/athleticism and can extend plays with their feet.
No one is saying you need a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray. There is a huge difference between a running QB, and a QB who can run. And all of the guys you see coming into the league that look like future stars are QB’s that can run.
May 9th, 2021 at 11:13 am
Dingleberry you are right and I have a theory
In college the best way for a qb and an offense to cover up flaws is for the qb to be mobile.
By that I mean, bad offensive line? No problem a running qb negates that? Poor run game? Running qb keeps the defense honest. QB can’t make reads or is inaccurate? No problem if his first read isn’t wide open take off and run.
Fact is Talk makes the reads and is quick decision maker. Is very accurate.
With no great line or run game still out up Heisman worthy numbers.
Running out mobile QB in the NFL also don’t have longest shelf life.
RG3 done
Cam broken
Wentz flamed out
Mariota wasted pick
Trubisky say no more
Watson moron
Burrow time will tell but knee blown out 1st season
Prescott missed most of season.
How many above were top picks.
Lamar Jackson has an unreal season then last year kind of getting figured out. Doubt he remains as successful as teams leading how to beat him.
Allen finally became successful when he became a better thrower
To me the real greats are RodgersWilson and Mahomes. They are mobile but their goal is to throw not run. They call make the reads are accurate and throw well.
Less mobile QB tend to have longer careers with fewer injuries.
Stafford
Brady
Rothlisberger
Ryan
Rivers
Carr
Cousins
Brees
Mayfield
Goff
The QB I listed that were reasonable successful are not mobile running QB. Most have had long successful careers or are on their way.
Trask has good pocket presence and is mobile enough to scramble to bit time or get those 5 yards or so on a roll out. He is big too for the qb sneak in short yardage goal line. He is built to take a hit unlike most of the running qb who get injured more. When they go down the season is fine as there is rarely a replacement who can run the offense the same way.
Trask only real weakness as I have seen it is he doesn’t drive the ball with velocity. Does that mean he can’t? Or just didn’t need to.
I firmly believe with strength training and coaching he will develop it. He wasn’t any slower than Winston was and Winston still managed to run a bit and want a statue in the pocket.
Let’s not grade this pick before seeing how he is developed over the next 1 to 2 seasons.
At worst he is a valuable backup that cost essentially a 3rd rounder. Beats what draft capital was spent on these backups:
Winston
Mariota
Gabbert
RG3
Trubisky
He is in the right system to learn develop improve his weaknesses and be our next franchise QB. He has shown the ability to overcome adversity and shine. He will be a hard worker as he wasn’t just given his opportunities. As fans we should cheer him on to become our next franchise QB. Not blame management who assembled this great team for not knowing how to draft.
Sheesh
May 9th, 2021 at 11:16 am
The NFL is full of runaround QBs. It’s easy to play the hindsight game. The bigger bone-headed assessment was thinking Johnny Foosball was gonna be something. Worse than missing on Mariota.
May 9th, 2021 at 11:47 am
A lot of the QB’s you mentioned are more mobile than you’re willing to admit, and Kyle Trask is less mobile than you’re willing to admit. And again, when I say mobility, I’m simply referring to a QB’s ability to use their feet to evade defenders and extend plays.
Again, there is a difference between a running QB like Jackson or Vick or Murray who might be the best RB on the team and get 1000+ rushing yards in a season, and a QB who can run like Mahommes, Wilson, Allen, Rodgers, Watson, Herbert, Lawrence etc.. Watson will also most likely settle out of court, face a suspension and be back in the league. His career is not over.
Stafford – Definitely not a running QB but can roll out of the pocket to extend plays and throw from virtually any platform with power and accuracy. Was doing Mahommes-lite things in the NFL for years but with less success on a worse team and to this day has an elite arm.
Roethlisberger – Notoriously hard to sack due to his size and strength, he is essentially a shadow of his former self now and being held together by rubber bands and duct tape but in his prime was mobile within the pocket and hard to bring down.
Carr – Ran a 4.65 40 so is decently fast for a QB and will occasionally use his feet to extend plays or run for yards when possible. Doesn’t have a top tier arm but has good arm strength. Is not a top tier QB. Is only 7 years in so to say he has had a long career is a stretch.
Baker Mayfield – Quicker than fast but is primarily a design rollout QB who does all of his best work outside of the pocket off of play action. Plays in a run first offense. Is a solid QB but not top tier. And has literally only played 3 years in NFL with 2 pretty good years and 1 stinker.
And last but not least, Kyle Trask ran a 4.98s 40 at his pro day. And that’s on hand time not electric. At the combine he more than likely would have ran closer to 5 flat or 5.1 and he looks slow on tape. He is not mobile at the NFL level.
May 9th, 2021 at 12:59 pm
You only need a runaround QB when you face our defense…….Someone other than Mahomes would have been sacked 12 times…..
There is a difference between a running QB and one who is simply mobile in the pocket……Brees comes to mind…..also, Jameis was mobile in the pocket….but fumbled too much.
May 9th, 2021 at 2:20 pm
Mobile QB’s are always one play away from IR or worse.
May 9th, 2021 at 4:25 pm
@Saurons eye
The same exact thing is true for pocket passers. Just ask Joe Theisman, Tony Romo, and Alex Smith who all sustained career ending caliber injuries inside the pocket.
May 9th, 2021 at 9:40 pm
Canabuc,
The reason more running QBS are coming out of college and less pocket passers is simple. The spread option. The spread option is the most impact full scheme design to Come along since the wishbone.
Pocket passers will always have opportunities at the pro level.
But college is a different game and different demands , skill set wise, for the position.
College recruits high schoolers. 8/10 High school coaches run spread now, so colleges are recruiting QBS who are comfortable running the ball and passing it.
May 10th, 2021 at 11:31 am
the one thing i know for sure about trask is that he puts in the work. even as a freshman, he and kyle pitts owuld stay after practice and throw. for hours. daily. after the debacle against oklahoma, when he was throwing to all new guys, in the press conference he even mentioned that people dont understand how much work goes into getting the timing right. so he already has that drive, he’s already very accurate and is above average at reading defenses, and makinf the right reads. add that to the qb development factory that is tampa bay, and there’s a very real possibility that this guy can become very good, or even great
May 10th, 2021 at 4:58 pm
You either need a great QB and a good team, or a good QB and a great team.
We are on that rare cusp of having both but it’s a luxury that probably won’t last forever.
IE…If Trask has a Brad Johnson career I’ll be happy because the Bucs have a defense in the making that can do for Kyle what that ole guys did for Brad.