Davis, Winfield Among Best (Sort Of)

December 9th, 2020

Better defending the run?

Some interesting information over at BSPN about top NFL defensive backs. It is also telling.

It tells Joe the Bucs secondary, so young and promising last year, has taken a step back. Whether that’s because of fewer sacks or opposing coaches and quarterbacks finding weaknesses via film study, or just that the corners aren’t playing as well as last year, that’s for you to judge.

Maybe all of the above?

The list, compiled by Matt Bowen, identifies all sorts of things, from best cover corner and safety to the best woodcarver playing defensive back. And only two Bucs made the list; both honorable mention at their respective position.

The first is safety Antoine Winfield, Jr. He was listed as an honorable mention best rookie safety (Julian Blackmon of Indianapolis ranked first in this category).

The second Bucs player mentioned is Carlton Davis. But he was not cited for being a cover corner. He was listed as honorable mention for best run-stopping corner. That’s sort of like being known as the best blocking wide receiver (Tre Flowers of Seattle was atop this category).

Why is the Bucs secondary struggling compared to earlier in the season or late last season? Reasons can be found — or more importantly, cannot be found — in the BSPN feature on best defensive backs.

18 Responses to “Davis, Winfield Among Best (Sort Of)”

  1. SB : Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    I truly think Both of these kids are REALLY talented.
    I also think Bowles is Fing them up.

  2. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    RIP 3 A Day Ray Perkins

  3. Lamarcus Guiton Says:

    Because they were never that good as they were being hyped. Winfield looks like he runs a 4.9 Bunting is having a sorry season. Davis is above average and Dean is sloppy and really is not that good. The linebackers can’t cover including Lvd. Whitehead idk what to make out of him

  4. ArmchairGM Says:

    I hate to say it’s one injured guy, but Vita Vea’s absence is proving he’s a lynchpin in the success of the defense. He has a cascading effect throughout each level. That huge push in the middle means:
    1. You NEED a double team in the middle letting our ends get single blocked
    2. The middle can still get pushed causing QBs to side step into our ends
    3. That pressure means less double moves and quicker routes so our DBs can sit on those

    Going to be watching the trenches on Sunday.

  5. Iamabuc Says:

    We can all see the effect of missing Vita Vea…yes …he’s that impactful…

  6. FirstTimePoster Says:

    Iamabuc…Absolutely agree!

  7. aFEDupBUCfan Says:

    Vita is that impactful I 3rd that notion

  8. aFEDupBUCfan Says:

    I honestly knew he wasn’t going to make it thru the entire season I just didn’t expect it to be what it is smh I miss him more than the entire D-line and Suh loves him

  9. Clean House Says:

    RIP Ray Perkins- you coached my first four Bucs seasons, we had season tickets- special memories with my father, grandfather and brothers!

  10. zzbuc Says:

    Reagrding Winflield, he has potential, no doubt about it, I was really surprised how he strated the season, he looked like a 5 years veteran, lately he sort of regressed, makes sense on a rookie…What I don´t really buy is the hype on C Davis, he is just ok, he made really good plays, but there is no doubt in mi mind he is slow, some times he is lost, and what worries me the most is he misses a lot of tackles…..I am no saying buy any chance he is bad, but I don´t think he is good, he is just ok…. seems to me that in the land of the blind the one-eyed is king….no offenses

  11. Robert Says:

    these guys have the talent, i blame the scheme and coaches.

  12. SB : Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    R.I.P Ray Perkins. I missed many of your coaching games in person because I was in Service. Unfortunately I caught Every game Leeman Bennet an John McKay ever coached from the second row 40 yard line behind the Bench

    Also …..Robert, that is what I was saying in the first comment.

  13. Ftmyersbuc Says:

    Zzbuc as a one eyed blind man im outraged and offended by your post. “No offenses” my blind arse!!!

  14. Mickman Says:

    The DB a defensive backfield looked good when the front 4-7 had a decent pass rush. Only one Linebacker can play pass defense so that even loads more on the DB’s to stay nearby.

  15. teacherman777 Says:

    Scundrell or wtv his name is, is awful!

    He doesnt even look like an NFL corner!

    We need to find another NFL CB asap or we are screwed!

    Scundrell sucks!!

    He is awful!

  16. TOM Says:

    I say its all about the coaching. But on the other hand, I do believe the DB’s are highly overrated. Its just that the bad coaching certainly doesn’t help. And by the way who is that DC thats trying to impersonate Bowles?

  17. unbelievable Says:

    One word:


    Pass rush just isn’t the same. Blitzes aren’t getting home.

    No pass rush = bad secondary, I don’t care who is back there.

    And for the life of me, I don’t know what Bowles’ fixation with playing tons of soft zone over the last few weeks when the pass rush has been non-existent. At least during the 2nd half against Kansas City we started applying some pressure. Hopefully the can build off that.

  18. David Says:

    The entire secondary is talented. They are extremely young still and make mistakes. When you don’t have a consistent pass rush those mistakes get amplified because the receivers have more time to get open.