Team Turmoil In New Orleans

June 4th, 2020

Fans are lectured often by NFL team officials and players about the importance of team chemistry.

The take can be overblown, but it is legitimate. Anyone who’s played competitive sports knows a united team is better than one divided.

Once upon a time, Joe played on a college team with a player who was a coach’s pet and was widely disliked by teammates. Joe was completely neutral on the guy but understood why others didn’t like him. No big deal, until the guy got injured early in the season — on the road. It was a rather ugly injury, and Joe rushed over as did one other teammate. But that was it. Joe’s other teammates made it clear they didn’t care, and Joe realized in that moment that the team wasn’t going to win many games.

Enter Drew Brees, quarterback of the Bucs’ opening day opponent, and their major 2020 rival in the NFC South.

Brees was asked on video by Yahoo! Finance yesterday how he thinks the NFL will respond this season if players kneel during the national anthem, and he was asked what is his responsibility as a major leader in the league during times like this — for his teammates and other NFL players.

Brees didn’t answer the question.

He began talking about what he thinks of when he stands for the The Star-Spangled Banner.

Several Saints teammates erupted on social media, blasting Brees in various ways for not understanding why players knelt during the anthem in the first place, among other things.

As a Bucs fan, Joe is loving this turmoil on the Saints, which finished 13-3 last season. It’s feels like a toxic situation for their locker room, which can only be good for the Bucs. Of course, Joe is a human and hopes Brees and his teammates can come together as people and use their collective influence for great causes, and be great models in their community. But it sure would be nice if that takes time to rectify and at the very least serves as a distraction for the Saints’ opening-day preparation.

 

177 Responses to “Team Turmoil In New Orleans”

  1. The sad truth Says:

    Im glad all these racists are finally getting called out.

  2. You Know Who Says:

    Hoping Drew Brees stays safe while at the same time smiling inside at the chaos in the locker room this will probably create. He stepped in it, but I think it was out of his passion for the anthem. I’m sure he sees both sides…..but dam drew….lol

  3. Kalind Says:

    As a bucs fan, it’s hard not to chuckle.

    As a person, it’s easy for me to say: good for Brees. I’ve seen the moronic backlash (and stunning hypocrisy) and I hope he stays true to his beliefs, even if they fly in the face of others’ expressed interests. Two things can be true at once. Just because you believe he’s wrong doesn’t justify the responses he’s gotten. And the heated rhetoric following his statements is only hurting The Cause.

  4. ocala Says:

    A former player for the Bucs was told by several of his close friends to keep his political views to himself, because the media would destroy him if they found out his political beliefs.

    He is on another team now, but he has wisely adhered to that advice.

  5. Stanglassman Says:

    “In speaking with some of you, it breaks my heart to know the pain I have caused,” he said. “Those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled people into believing that somehow I am an enemy.” Drew Brees Thursday morning doing clean up.

  6. Steven007 Says:

    Brees statement in the wake of all that’s going on right now was the very definition of tone deaf.

  7. Stanglassman Says:

    “This is where I stand,” he said, “I stand with the black community in the fight against systemic racial injustice and police brutality and support the creation of real policy change that will make a difference.” The rest of Brees’s quote this morning.

  8. BucDan Says:

    Racist? I wouldn’t say that.

    Blind to his own privilege? I’d say so.

    Hurts the same though. You’re most offended with the person that has your back until they don’t.

  9. TomTerrific Says:

    Free speech is only allowed if it fits the political correctness narrative. Because kneeling during the national anthem ends all forms of oppression in a single bound.

  10. ClodHopper Says:

    Brees will get bullied into submission and beg for mercy.

    You can’t just be on a certain side any more. You have be all in with a hive mind. Don’t think. STFU and obey says the people whining about pseudo fascism the last four years.

  11. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    We all seen the video & no one can blame the protesters for their actions. But as usual, that murder of Floyd by a white cop has opened up old wounds as well as an excuse for some to begin rioting and looting. And it seems to have brought out deep seated feelings of race. Brees said what he said because of his love for his Country and what the flag means to him. But those that have those deep seated race issues have turned Brees’s statements into a racial issue. Brees has every right to speak what he believes, just as those persons of color have that same right to speak about racism. It is wrong to attack Brees for his opinions just as it is wrong to attack those that speak about racism. This is still the United States and we are all protected by the 1st amendment the freedom of speach. Hopefully, we can all come together again soon.

  12. Buczilla Says:

    Drew has already come out and apologized for his opinion. Way to stand up for what you believe in Drew. Disagreeing with people does not automatically make you a racist despite what some would have you believe. It’s ok to believe that kneeling for the anthem is wrong, while also believing that minorities are mistreated. Treating good people like they’re dogs just because they have a different opinion than you do is never going to end well. Ed Reed said some messed up stuff about Drew and Drew deserves it for not sticking by his convictions. I dislike the Saints even more now.

  13. Earl BEDFORD Says:

    I served 30 years in the US Army as a Field Grade Officer who had 1 combat tour during Operation Desert Storm and 4 combat tours of duty in Iraq. With the killings that have been going on, I ask the age old question “How do I feel about this country or better yet, how does this country feel about me?” When people of color tried to protest peacefully, 45 and his minions hated it. He called them “Sons of Bitches!” When they protest peacefully around the WH, he tear gas them. Camera phones have been a God send for the AA community because now, everything is captured on film. We as a people are tired of this. Officers of the law are suppose to serve and protect “EVERYONE!” Not just a select few. I respect Drews right to his opinion, but right now his opinion is misguided and insensitive. Maybe he should have talked to some of his teammates before he went on air!

  14. Buddy Says:

    Winning cures everything. And they will win plenty. Calm down people. Still the team to beat in NFC

  15. Waterboy Says:

    Famous Jameis is somewhere grinning from ear to ear.

  16. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Brees has already apologized. Nate Burleson gave an incredible view about kneeling. On one hand he has several relatives who have served in the military and said when he hears the Anthem and thinks of them one eye sheds a tear.

    When he thinks of all his black brothers who were literally murdered with no justice his other eye sheds a tear and he understands kneeling.

    I did not go overseas to fight for a song or a piece of cloth but rather for what they represent. If we continue to trash the Constitution, turns our troops on peaceful protesters…if laws and truth no longer matter…then the representations that song and that flag held for me are no longer true.

    The NFL can use this particular moment and make this all go away..at least the “kneeling” part. Before every game the PA announcement makes reference to the situation and hopes to bring us together. EVERYBODY is invited to take a knee before the playing of the National Anthem for a moment of silence in memory of black men who have lost their lives needlessly.

  17. Syl Says:

    Tom Brady had just as stupid of a response on Howard Stern but it was pre George Floyd.

  18. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I totally believe in free speech……and I believe an individual should have the right to express it….
    But expressing it at a NFL game with a team uniform on in a team’s stadium is unquestionably the workplace…..not private.
    The teams should be able to control workplace behavior…..that is their right.

    As for whether or not kneeling is disrespecting the flag……that is in the eye of the beholder…..I lean on the side that it is disrespectful……

  19. Rayjay1122 Says:

    @SPBF I like that kneeling idea that you suggested.

  20. Eastsidebuc Says:

    Plain and simple he’s wrong. He’s talking about veterans like there are no black veterans that fought and died. His tone deaf statements are racist. PERIOD!

  21. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Some see the flag as oppression. Some see the flag as freedom. It’s a “which colored glasses do you have on today” thing? Both aren’t wrong. Both aren’t “racist”.

    Everyone has opinions and that’s what is supposed to make this country great. Too many people scream racism, troll, hater and other names when you don’t agree with their opinion.

    Me personally, I would like to see more actual change and less kneeling. Kneeling isn’t change. Kneeling is bringing the problem to the forefront which the majority knows is there. Now it’s time for change. Go out and vote! Go out and be a police officer! Go out and be a lawyer! Go be a judge! Go be a politician! Lil Wayne was spot on!

    Go be the change, not the problem!

  22. You Know Who Says:

    I don’t see him thinking of his relatives as being racist. That would be like saying a Jew was racist for thinking of their relatives in the Holocaust while not talking of the others ethnicities who were also gassed.

  23. TOM Says:

    As far as I’m concerned Brees said nothing wrong & he shouldn’t have apologized. He bowed down to the establishment. There is such a thing as freedom of speech in this country but some think it only applies to a certain minority segment. The murder of the black man was wrong but looting, rioting, unlawful protesting & demonstrations is just as bad. Here again a certain segment thinks its wrong to kill a black man but ok to shoot police & store owners trying to protect their property. I know that asshole Soros is behind a lot of whats going on. He hires outside interest to instigate whats going on. I for one praise lawenforcement as a whole. Sorry there are some rotten apples in the bunch but they will get there just due.

  24. DoooshLaRue Says:

    I always respected Drew Brees. Great competitor and great human being. He’s done so much for his, mostly black community.
    When I read his statement about his feelings towards kneeling I was impressed that he had the balls to state his beliefs during this time of great turmoil.
    He made valid and heartfelt points that I wholeheartedly agreed with.

    However, I thought to myself after reading that…. the sh!t is really going to hit the fan.
    Even though he’s done so much good he’s being crucified for his own opinions.
    Opinions that aren’t wrong and not racist.

    I lost respect for him after he caved in to BS demands by the Leftist Race Police even though he did no wrong.
    I was really hoping that he would stand his ground and defend his beliefs.

    Being white is not a crime.
    This slippery slope of caving in to the overly sensitive Race Police needs to stop.

    What happened in Minneapolis was wrong.
    What happened in Georgia was wrong.
    I believe our justice system will punish those responsible for their hateful actions.

    But we need to remember that we all have the right to voice our beliefs and should never feel pressure to betray them.

  25. gp Says:

    SPBF
    That’s definitely an idea I can get behind.
    A moment of silence(kneel if you wish) for *ALL* those who have died because of the ignorance of others.
    Black, white, red, yellow, or blue.
    Then we can all stand united for the Flag which represents the republic that began with the idea that “All men are created equal”
    No, it wasn’t perfect then. It isn’t perfect now. Here’s a clue, we’re human, it will never be perfect. But it can be better if we just stop bickering and work together.
    Remember, I’m a Bucs fan. Eternally optimistic!

  26. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    It’s OK. The Saints have JayMiss waiting in the wings.

    He’ll do great until he figures out the the Super Dome is his new “home” field, then the Pick 6s will rain down like his good old days at the RayJay.

    Peace, out

  27. 3rdGenNative Says:

    This is craziness.. In America today, you either kneel for the flag or you’re a racist.. How disgusting. More unarmed white people were killed by cops than black people in 2019…double actually.

  28. BringBucsBack Says:

    “White people have to become more uncomfortable.”

    -NBA Coach Popovich

  29. mike Says:

    What a racist. Drew is a sick dude. Not only does the ahole believe the USA is a great place. He also believes marriage shouldbe between a man and woman and he also believes your sex is determined by your DNA. Just sick stuff

  30. ZZbuc Says:

    I don´t see this as racist…I have a different view or opinion……That doesn´t make him wrong or right…..The cop who killed Floyd was racist and a murderer…..
    What I disagree is to bring your grandfathers and his tears to the conversation, just way out of line…..

  31. Wowwww Says:

    The tone deafness from some of the posters here is maddening. No one said it’s bad or criminal to be white. Black lives matter does not mean that white lives don’t. A store getting looted is just as bad as police killing unarmed Black men since the end of slavery!! Which was less than 200 years ago!!. Stop disregarding your privilege. You are on the wrong side of history.

  32. ocala Says:

    Everyone should be treated the same regardless of race. Nobody should receive preferential treatment or worse treatment because of their race or sex.

    I would hope the vast majority of people agree with this.

  33. bojim Says:

    Let’s see what TB12 does when it’s time.

  34. lokog Says:

    [email protected]%^ drew brees and the whole aints organization and their fans to

  35. Mike Says:

    This is not China, you are allowed to do whatever you want during the national anthem. You are also not allowed to tell others they can not be offended or feel it is disrespectful to do so….

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    BringBucsBack Says:

    “White people have to become more uncomfortable”

    Considering MOST of the protesters were white every time the news channels went from city to city, I’d say they’re pretty comfortable.

    5 white kids holding up a BLM banner in NYC….etc.

  37. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    Joe(s), hahaha – you’re not WRONG (that it would be nice if the Saints were dysfunctional just long enough for the Bucs to supplant them atop the NFC South), but geez. Don’t say the quiet part out loud!!

  38. Jerry Jones Says:

    I have no problem with anything he said and how he respects the flag, it was just bad timing on his part and the perception was that of insensitivity. But yeah, he’s gonna have to fix all this and I dont know how it goes away before opening day.

  39. ModHairKen Says:

    So everything from birth to now is erased because Brees did not pander sufficiently to these wealthy players who think they are more”woke”?

    If you protest during the National Anthem, you hijack it for your own purposes and steal the sanctity of the moment from others. Don’t get mad if they don’t like your protest.

  40. mark2001 Says:

    Actually, Aaron Rodgers got it right. The knee or joining of arms wasn’t supposed to be about the National Anthem or the Flag. Unfortunately, some used the protest about an incident similar to the one recently occuring, to try to make it an “us against them” issue. But seems this happens on a regular basis the last few years.

    1987…as 23 and Me says…we all have about 95% plus of our DNA in common. So genetically there isn’t much difference. Looters come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, but their motives and lack of respect for others is about the same.

  41. ClodHopper Says:

    What’s funny about the people calling Brees a racist is you dumb phuks don’t even realize he’s in your side. He wants the same thing you want. He only disagrees on one tiny thing and that’s not good enough. You’re only making more republican voters with your idiotic misplaced anger

  42. Couch Fan Says:

    So its ok for them to kneel during the Anthem while on the clock and claim its “free speech” but Brees isnt allowed to give his opinion on kneeling on his own time when asked? LMAO… There can be no conversation had if one side is refusing to listen to anything but demand everyone listen to them. This is why their movement is going nowhere. But by all means keep looting and rioting cuz its clear thats really helping. SMH

  43. El Buco Realisto Says:

    @buc1987

    Well, obviously, the kneeling did not work, so what if a black football player tried a new track!!!!!!!! What about holding up the American Flag, with the Constitution, and The Bill of Rights, and come in looking like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV!!!!!!!!!!! Then after the game, say the “people” are not living up to American Ideals!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously, it could only be a black player as it would be considered racist otherwise!!!!!!!!!! And it will help players like jay-miss “relate”!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!

  44. mark2001 Says:

    So Couch…you think Kaepernick had his “say” and there was no consequence? Wow. Talk about only seeing it from one perspective. There is always a consequence to our actions and words. Kaepernick has been ostracized by the league…he can’t even work. Brees on the other hand reads a nicely written apology, most likely not even constructed by him, and tommorow the cash flow. If you want to talk about refusing to listen..and real consequences of that… look no further than Keepernick.

  45. Couch Fan Says:

    @Mark2001

    Nothing about Kaep has anything to do with what I said. Kaep is an entirely debateable topic that both sides have points on. For instance Kaep opted out of his contract with the 9ers therefore I can easily say Kaep doesn’t have a job to do his own actions and you cant prove me wrong.

    All I’m saying is you cant start a conversation by bullying and being disrepectful to anyone that doesnt hold the same opinion as you. Ex. Calling anyone and everyone racist if they dont completely and whole heartedly agree with the way you do something. Thats not seeing it from 1 perspective. Thats just having common sense. Something lacking in todays society.

  46. mark2001 Says:

    What is so sad is that some don’t even treat the flag right…they put it on their backs, their rears, flying in tatters from their trucks. They fly other flags at the same level. They don’t even take it down or light it at night. They use it to advertise products…and candidates. Do they know how to dispose of it properly? I doubt it. I could go on for hours…but will stop with that. But here is the point.

    And they are offended? Maybe if they served, they would have learned how to properly display and respect the flag as I do. Maybe those so worried about flag protocol should learn it themselves…and correct other like minded neighbors, that are simply ignorant about how our flag is to be used and treated.

  47. Durango 95 Says:

    Poor Drew Brees guy can’t win. He makes a honest fair expression and all the virtue signaling phony PC social justice warriors label the guy as racist. This is what happens when group-think prevades society. Divided by labels free thinkers need not apply. Once again, we can all thank, the regressive left.

  48. oxycondoms Says:

    How quickly people forget about the $5 million donation to the state of Louisiana he made last month.

  49. mark2001 Says:

    Sure does Couch. He took his knee to protest a perceived injustice… due to a history of the very thing these people are protesting now. Was he given fair treatment? A chance to really explain himself and discuss the issue rationally? Was he listened to? Was there an adult conversation about his statement? No…he was fired and blackballed.

    He paid a huge price. Brees says it was about disrespecting the flag and Anthem…LOL… I told you how people disrespect the flag on a daily basis. And you want to talk about the Anthem? Those in the stands not removing their hats? Talking during the playing of it? Oh, but we are white, so that makes all that disrespect OK.

    No… You are all wet in this. The 49ers told Kaepernick that they planned to release him. On March 3, 2017, he opted out of his contract and became a free agent at the start of the 2017 league year on March 9. Oh yeah… he quit on the 49ers…LOL.

    Please…your use of half facts is amazing. Kaepernick didn’t do the bullying… I remember some news media that is full of half truths making the same arguments you are right now.

  50. mark2001 Says:

    That is like your boss telling you, you were going to be fired tomorrow…and you decided to leave before he handed you the pink slip. To say they didn’t let you go was just a technicality at that point. You were gone in any case.

  51. mark2001 Says:

    Durango…I disagree with those saying Brees is a racist based upon those comments. Ignorant? Insensitive? Misinformed? All of those, sure. But unless there is some other statement or action that would show he is a racist, I think that label is unfair.

  52. El Buco Realisto Says:

    @mark2001

    He quit!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mr John Lynch could have said that, just to reduce his salary, because he wanted commie kaep as a backup!!!!!!!!! But we will never know because “HE QUIT”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Couch Fan Says:

    Kaep opted out of his contract. He quit the 9ers. Whether they were planning to release him or not, HE opted out. My statement is fully correct in this. Your spin does not make this a half truth just because you dont like it.

    You say Kaep was “ostracized”. But Kaeps actions of kneeling cost the league profits/TV ratings. No matter what side of the kneeling you are on, Kaep was clearly bad for the leagues revenue due to HIS OWN actions. The league has every right to fix this. Actions have consequences right? So when you say he was ostracized and condemn the league you are really just speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Ostracized…. SMH

    Any employer has a right to get rid of an employee that is hurting their bottom line. Point blank period.

  54. Couch Fan Says:

    The Kaep to Brees comparison is beyond ridiculous.

  55. gp Says:

    mark2001
    Kaepernik took a knee after losing his starting position.
    He caught a lot of flack for a week after doing so for being a poor sportsman and disrespectful. The next week he did the same thing and only after the game stated that he was doing it in protest of police brutality. There had not been a recent instance of said brutality for him to reference.
    Long and short… Yet another lie that has been thrust upon us.
    Not saying there isn’t police brutality(very rare) or racism (sometimes blown out of proportion).
    What I am saying is that Kaepernik is a LIAR

  56. mark2001 Says:

    Can’t you guys read? Comprehend? Have you ever managed anything? He was told he was going to be released…that means fired…cut loose…shown the door. He likely though by taking the option, he was doing what was best for the team and his future…just like you leaving might be better than being fired. Didn’t work out that way, though. You guys can’t see the writing on the wall? No wonder you are so easily duped. And you totally missed all I said about the disrespect dished out by your buddies, neighbors, or fellow fans on a daily basis. There is a word for that…but I won’t say it.

  57. Kobe Faker Says:

    “I Thought I went to Harvard but found out its Animal House”

    Jameis Winston

    “Until we get the bad corrupt Narcissist Cops fired and out, We will still have this police brutality

    There is no accountability to these entitled abusive corrupt cops

    the good cops are keeping quiet and allowing and enabling this abuse

    they serve the taxpaying Americans and not the other way around as they seem to think

    Narcissism is a pandemic in these times we live. Narc on steroids is a Narc cop with a badge and gun

    just like a pedophile goes into the church, boy scouts or vocation to attack easy prey,

    A stupid power hungry entitled racist Narc enters the police

    Americans and the good cops need to purge the 10,000s of corrupt Narc cops just like the Catholics are purging the pedophiles from the ministry

    until than the police corruption continues”

    KOBE FAKER

  58. mark2001 Says:

    gp…when he took the knee relative to his starting position on the team is irrelevant. It is about racism and police brutality, which I think is very real. Not the majority of police officers by any means, but a significant number. Just because you haven’t experienced it means nothing, unless you are a black male particularly. The fact you don’t believe it is real, is the very reason they are taking a knee and protesting. The looting is different,…the action of criminals of every race and sex. You think he is a liar..he thinks little better of you. So what?

  59. Kobe Faker Says:

    “a corrupt Narc Cop can be white, Black or any race

    corruption and sociopaths has no color”

    KOBE FAKER

  60. Durango 95 Says:

    If one is using Kaepernick on which to base an argument they might want to reappraise exactly what it is they are trying to say.

  61. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Mark2001

    I’ve read you a lot over the months and I’ve come to the conclusion you’re too smart for this blog. I say that sincerely and without snark.

    BTW to all yammering about free speech. WRONG! Speech is not free nor has it ever been. That IS THE ENTIRE FREAKING REASON FOR THE ANTHEM AND FLAG.

    People died for that speech it has been paid for with lives and service to country!

    This is why NOBODY had the right to order troops to assault a peaceful demonstration. That Australian Photog might have had his faced smashed in all for simply covering “free speech” on public commons.

    NOBODY deprived either Drew Brees or Kaepernik of free speech. They were literally FREE to say whatever they want. Those who hear what they say are also literally FREE to react to it in whichever way they choose.

  62. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Brees showed his lack of empathy and understanding as he parroted a false narrative he got from bunker boy. It was never about the flag!!! Stop mentioning the flag!!! It was and will always be about police brutality and social injustice, wtf is so hard to understand about that? People who want things to stay the same are the ones claiming it’s about the flag. Those same people don’t have to deal with the same BS and murder that others do. What’s so wrong about wanting to stop being murdered by those sworn to protect you?

  63. Rod Munch Says:

    Pander pander pander pander… ie, please don’t loot my house.

  64. Rod Munch Says:

    stpetebucsfan – Hey stupid, rioters aren’t “peaceful protesters”. Now back to your old folks home.

  65. Durango 95 Says:

    Sorry for the interruption now back to our regularly scheduled word salad.

  66. mark2001 Says:

    Many good points St. Pete… Sounds like you are too smart for this blog, too.

  67. ToesOnTheLine!!! Says:

    Don’t hold your breath Joe…they’ll mend that fence well before training camp. Bree’s gave his honest opinion on the matter, and now he most assuredly felt pressured to walk it back in line. Same thing the Broncos HC felt pressured to do. Hell our last QB essentially said he preferred working with Leftwich because of his skin color!? I must have missed all the players outrage calling him a racist on social media and the walked back statement from Jameis?

  68. tickrdr Says:

    “Word salad”……….. so, apropos.

    tickrdr

  69. Pugs&Bucs Says:

    In other words, Brees had to bend the knee to the Cult of the Left to exhibit his wokeness.

    Notice: no respect for Brees’s family who fought in WWII. But Drew MUST bow and scrape for the approval of the mob.

  70. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Until we get the bad corrupt Narcissist Cops fired and out, We will still have this police brutality

    There is no accountability to these entitled abusive corrupt cops

    the good cops are keeping quiet and allowing and enabling this abuse

    they serve the taxpaying Americans and not the other way around as they seem to think

    Narcissism is a pandemic in these times we live. Narc on steroids is a Narc cop with a badge and gun

    just like a pedophile goes into the church, boy scouts or vocation to attack easy prey,

    A stupid power hungry entitled racist Narc enters the police

    Americans and the good cops need to purge the 10,000s of corrupt Narc cops just like the Catholics are purging the pedophiles from the ministry

    until than the police corruption continues”

    KOBE FAKER

  71. cgmaster27 Says:

    The irony of those folks saying people fought for the right for Kap to kneel, don’t clearly realize that they also fouhgt form Dre to have his opinion. This isn’t a one way street some of you narrow minded make it out to be.

  72. Bucsfanman Says:

    It is NOT illegal to speak your mind in this country. It is not illegal to kneel during the anthem or peacefully protest. These are Constitutional rights
    What IS illegal is to take the life of another human being.

    Now, which do you choose to be angry at?

    I hope everyone is paying close attention to the leadership as this plays out. I hope that no one forgets how leaders reacted when all the slimy rhetoric and lies start spewing during the election.
    Always remember that this is a “representative democracy.” Does this government represent YOU?!
    Just food for thought!

  73. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Let me say this loud and proud: Drew Brees said nothing wrong.

    “I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.” is not racist. It’s PATRIOTIC. It does not mention race at all.

    And he was right. The only thing I disagree with is that he took it back the next day.

    There are many, many ways to protest peacefully and all of those ways are available to NFL players. Disrespecting our nation should not be one of them. That’s the same as saying EVERYONE is guilty of racism.

    That’s just not true.

    Yes, racism exists. Among the police. Among whites/ Among blacks, Arabs, Indians, Asians and others. And yes, those guilty of causing the death of George Floyd should and will answer for it.

    But we live in a world of Social Media. Players can make their thoughts and concerns known within seconds.

    Disrespecting the country does not bring about unity, it breed dissent.

  74. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Bucsfanman Says:
    “It is not illegal to kneel during the anthem or peacefully protest.”

    It is, however, against the rules.

  75. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    gp Says
    Kaepernik took a knee after losing his starting position.
    He caught a lot of flack for a week after doing so for being a poor sportsman and disrespectful. The next week he did the same thing and only after the game stated that he was doing it in protest of police brutality. There had not been a recent instance of said brutality for him to reference.
    Long and short… Yet another lie that has been thrust upon us.
    Not saying there isn’t police brutality(very rare) or racism (sometimes blown out of proportion).
    What I am saying is that Kaepernik is a LIAR

    You nailed it.

  76. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Kaepernik reaped what he sowed.

    I have ancestors who literally fought for freedom, who fought the south and fought the british. I have some who served since. My Grandmother was born during the attack on Pearl Harbor to a civilian mother and enlisted father.

    I myself did not server in the military, but I did assist troops and served in the mission field throughout the world…including third world countries and the Ukraine when Gorby was kidnapped.

    I love this country, and anyone…ANYONE who disrespects it also disrespects its people and its values.

  77. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    El Buco Realisto Says:
    “…what if a black football player tried a new track!!!!!!!! What about holding up the American Flag…”

    Now that is a great idea.

    The message?

    That we are all in this together and it is time we acted like a united people.

  78. Mike Says:

    It is not against the rules, you just have to deal with the consequences of pissing a bunch of people off, including your employer.

  79. El Buco Realisto Says:

    @Buccaneer Bonzai

    It’s like every superbowl team, you have to have everyone “buy in” or it will never work!!!!!!!!! The Flag, The Constitution and Bill of Rights is what everyone should be holding up!!!!!!!!! Its “people” that are not living up to the American Ideals that we are all entitled too!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  80. Durango 95 Says:

    Gosh I hate to break in while some of you are enjoying your collective knee on the ground emotional masturbation. But, factually there is no actual epidemic of police brutality aimed at the black population of America and the view of the US as a racist empire is entirely incorrect. Just thought you should know.

  81. Dapostman Says:

    Jesse Jackson: “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps…then turn around and see somebody white and feel relived.”

  82. Sailer Jerry Says:

    Rule # 1 Public figures should stay off of Social Media – especially Twitter.
    Rule #2 Never forget rule 1

  83. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Lol it’s funny how many people here are boomer Trump supporters this offended when someone peacefully protests.

    I still don’t understand why so many people see this as so sacred. The anthem isn’t mandatory country worshiping time. This isn’t an Authoritarian dictatorship.

  84. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    COME ON JOE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE POSTED IN HERE AND THAT WAS FLAGGED.

  85. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Munchkin

    May be old be apparently my eyes function a lot better than yours. There is video tape of mounted police with soldiers marching behind firing smoke grenades, bang bombs and forcing what had been a PEACEFUL protest by virtually anyone who was there or witnessed it on video.

    When thousands march in protest and dozens use the cover of that protest to loot and vandalize that does not diminish the power of the march except in the eyes of the ill informed, blind, ideologues. There is growing evidence in fact that the “looters” were not the protesters but extremists from both the left and the right.

    You do realize Munchkin that Charlie Manson’s reason for having Sharon Tate and friends murdered was he was hoping to start a race war. He was hoping rich white people in the Hollywood Hills would freak at the sight of “black” people coming up from Watts to murder them.

    Creating additional havoc and crime is great for white supremacist groups and there is indeed video of a white guy in mask and hoodie who was stopped by a real protester as he walked along breaking windows.

  86. Oneilbucs Says:

    bonzai Kap did not lose his job I don’t understand why yall trying to set a false narrative . Kap has surgery before the season started and he was not a 100 percent . You just hate the fact that he made a lot of white people uncomfortable about what is going on .

  87. Oneilbucs Says:

    Durango what you are saying is a lie and people like you are the ones that makes it hard for change in this country . I have had a lot of bad experiences dealing with cops . I’ve had guns pulled out on me by cops on a normal traffic stop even though they they didn’t have a reason to pull me over from the jump . My brother was hand cuff and beaten by Houston Police but that was the time with no camera phones . This was a common thing dealing with Police in my city if you are black or latino . And I know that goes on in every city in America . But most white people don’t have to worry about things like that and people like you are the main problem why cops feel like they can get away with .

  88. Ljsolutions Says:

    I never thought I would say this but KOBE FAKER is a wise dude!

  89. Beeej Says:

    “ALL lives matter” That statement got a man fired this week. Our country is doomed

  90. D1 Says:

    Mark2001,

    ” He took his knee to protest a perceived injustice… due to a history of the very thing these people are protesting now. Was he given fair treatment? A chance to really explain himself and discuss the issue rationally? Was he listened to? Was there an adult conversation about his statement? No…he was fired and blackballed.”

    Reply….

    Define fair treatment first before we get into was He or wasn’t He.
    Kap has been offer many many opportunities to explain himself , He hasn’t seized upon any of these opportunities. The idea of an adult conversation is ridiculous to even suggest. Yes, it would be great and there’s more than enough people willing to engage in a discussion. The problem on why there will never be a discussion like you want is a fundamental rejection of the very idea of which you speak. That and you can’t act like a child and think like a child , then demand to be spoken to as an adult. It’s simply impossible.
    ===============

    “He paid a huge price. ”

    Reply…..

    That’s utter nonsense and completely false. He made huge money from nike. More than if he’d resigned as a backup. So it’s not true he paid a price.
    His popularity soured thru the roof , He was collecting awards for bravery and what ever else the willing sycophants were offering up. Man of year multiple times from various high profile organizations. He was celebrated for his stand and he was rewarded handsomely for it. Now this is worth more to him than myself for example but I recognize it’s worth and wouldn’t think to discount it.
    Kap found an identity. A place where he was loved and embraced. He was a mixed race child who lived with adopted white parents and he must have felt out of place with whites and blacks. He wasnt black until he supported blm..
    So he didn’t pay any price …

    “Brees says it was about disrespecting the flag and Anthem…LOL… I told you how people disrespect the flag on a daily basis. And you want to talk about the Anthem? Those in the stands not removing their hats? Talking during the playing of it? ”

    Reply. ..

    Be an adult now. The two instances you point out are fundamentally different.
    To compare these is ..embarrassing.

    But let’s not forget what your idea is. So I’ll assume a equal comparison to move into the flaw that cant be overlooked. The flag is a symbol of an abstract notion of nationhood. Unity. Ideas that the flag represents.

    The people who leave their flag up after dark are ignorant and neglectfull but they are displaying the flag as a symbol for a set of ideals and values they’re willing to live under. The blm movement doesn’t want to live under the flag nor the ideals and values it represents. That’s plain fact and 2 seconds of checking will shock you because police brutality and rasicism is the means to an end not the end.

    You believe it’s about rascism and police brutality? I’m trying to be respectful, but you’re a rube. Strange because you think everyone else is and you’re the one who bought such a load of bs that it’s embarrassing for me to point it out.
    =====================

    “No… You are all wet in this. The 49ers told Kaepernick that they planned to release him. On March 3, 2017, he opted out of his contract and became a free agent at the start of the 2017 league year”

    Reply….
    Spot on there, he left before being fired ..who wouldn’t do that..
    ================

    “Please…your use of half facts is amazing. Kaepernick didn’t do the bullying… I remember some news media that is full of half truths making the same arguments you are right now.”

    Reply….

    True kap bullied no one.. nor was he bullied. So it’s pointless.
    If you claim the media is making false statements……then specify what you’re referring to. Basic stuff that add to the idea of discussing something. Otherwise it’s baseless Bullspit….

    =====

    I did read some of your other posts and I tend to agree with your more than not. What I hope to see is a move away from the lazy azzz list of grievances and lies and get your thoughts on what you would do to change the situation.
    Being a critic is a job any retard can do. It’s those with ideas and plans that are unique and rare.

  91. stpetebucsfan Says:

    OneillBucs

    I HEAR you and know that you speak truth.

    You went halfway with your explanation, when you talked about cellphone video finally exposing stuff. While that is certainly true here is something for all of us to think about.

    For every video that was made in the midst of a crisis..violence…adrenaline…how many were not? How many times did black guys get choked out, shot in the back even NOW. These videos are more than likely just the tip of a very ugly iceberg. Hate on me for sayin’ that but you know its the truth.

  92. Durango 95 Says:

    Golly if only there was a gizmo that we could keep statistics with on things like this. Like some kind of giant abacus or something.

  93. ©MadMax Says:

    This whole BLM stuff is getting crazy. Of all police killins in 2019, 23% were black. And the majority of those were by non white cops. I hate bad cops period. But more whites are killed by cops every year. But no, that doesnt fit, therefore it cant be pointed out. This is stupid. Where is the BLM outrage over many of the black owned businesses looted and burned? Or the black people killed during all of this?
    And you dont ever see the media covering it when a white person, unarmed, cooperating with commands is killed by a cop. Come on now, why are so many ignoring these facts? Nevermind, i know the answer….puppets are being played with and so many are buying into it and easily brainwashed.

  94. Durango 95 Says:

    “We live in an era where truth is not determined by objective reality, but by fear of consequences from the mob if you don’t accept and amplify their version of it.”

  95. Oneilbucs Says:

    stpetebucfan I’m not going to hate on you bro and you are right the videos are a help but I been through a lot dealing with bad cops and I know every cop is not bad . And I do appreciate what you are saying just like I like how the younger white generation is getting involved with us . I just want progress so that my young son don’t have to experience what I did . So we just need to keep it going with the younger generation so change can happen . Now I know we disagree with the Brady thing but just to let you know and other bucs fans I really hope we win this year . And let me tell you this I became a bucs fan because when my oilers left I loved how they gave Minorities a chance like with the coaching staff was all black . And believe or not it was a lot of Minorities that was rooting for the bucs back than . I just stayed with the team since 1995 .

  96. Oneilbucs Says:

    From Houston was rooting for the team .

  97. Dapostman Says:

    ONeil,

    So you think only black boys get guns pulled on them by cops? haha. You are so out of touch with the police it’s funny. Must be the victim mentality perpetrated by the brothers.

    I’ve had the cops pull guns on me TWICE. Once in NPR on HW19 when I went with my girlfriend to look at a truck to buy. It was my girlfriend’s dad’s truck and we had the key!
    The cops showed up with guns drawn.

    The second time was in Cali when my brother, my wife and I went to look at his new store. On the way out of the store once again the cops were there with guns drawn. Good thing my brother had a business card.

    My point is we were in just as much danger as you were yet we chalked it up to the police doing their job. When guns are drawn those guys don’t care what color you are.

    The problem with the woke police brutality community is they perceive every black mans contact with the police is some racial thing. After having guns pulled on this white boy TWICE I can tell you it is not.

  98. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Why is it ok for him to exercise his freedom of speech because he says the same thing that many white people in America think but Kapernick exercises his and people act like he’s a traitor? It wasn’t against the flag or country but the unrestrained and nonconviction of police murder of black citizens of the U.S.???Why shouldn’t Brees be black listed by the very same players who can go thru the same thing Mr. Floyd and many others have gone thru since Kapernick had been blacklisted by the NFL?Why is there a difference between Brees exercising his rights and Kapernick exercises his?

  99. webster Says:

    Madmax you are full of s#!+. White unarmed people are not getting killed by cops. I dont know what rock you are living under but you are a lying idiot. Black people have been telling you for decades unarmed black men, black teenagers and black boys have been getting killed by cops for decades/centuries and people like you denied the claims. Its on video now to validate the claims you chose to ignore. We live in a digital age where everyone has cameras on their phones. You cant bust your a$$ on the concrete or get punched out in a club without it going viral. If unarmed whites were getting killed like blacks as you say, then those videos would be going viral just like greg lloyds video. His death video going viral is why national media picked it up just like other african american’s death by the hands of cops. Do more white people get killed by cops from a numbers perspective? Maybe but more blacks are killed per capita and its not even close. Also, there is a difference between justified killings and unjustified killings by cops. Whites being killed because they shot up a school, walmart, concert, movies, church, family members etc is not the same as a black man calling for his mother restrained on the ground with a knee to his neck for 10 minutes. Again, if whites are supposedly killed in the same manner as greg lloyd by the cops, then your ignorant a$$ should be out there protesting in the same manner as minorities because that means it is a real problem with law enforcement across the board and you holding them up as GODS is just stupid. Hold the bad apples accountable!!! The fact you are not upset with the bad apple cops but are upset with the protestors in america and around the WORLD tells me everything i need to know about you and everyone else that thinks like you. You are a lying idiot that doesnt even know you are getting pumped in the butt without vaseline if you are ok with cops killing white people without justice being served. An idiot indeed.

     

  100. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    Durango 95 Says:
    “… factually there is no actual epidemic of police brutality aimed at the black population of America and the view of the US as a racist empire is entirely incorrect.”
    .
    .
    White Americans killed by US police officers in 2019: 370

    African Americans killed by police officers in 2019: 235 (nearly 40 per cent less)

    African Americans killed by other African American civilians annually – about 8000

    Unarmed whites killed by police 4 per 10,000 arrests

    Unarmed blacks killed by police 3 per 10,000 arrests

    These are FBI statistics. Also the fact that the great majority of interacial crime is black on white is never discussed. In fact, it is covered up my the media with an agenda.

    The fact is, we are all being lied to by people who have an agenda. That agenda is also carried out in Hollywierd and the music industry, who romanticize gang life and violence against police; who make movies like the purge, deliberately meant to stir up tribal instincts.

    We are all being manipulated to hate and distrust each other. It is an evil agenda, and makes me incredibly sad. The only way out is to turn our hearts back to Jesus and away from the television. But lo and behold, the people with the agenda have had the Bible removed from our schools, and Hollywood and the music industry mock Christians on a daily basis.

    Please God, let our people see.

  101. ©MadMax Says:

    Tony Timpa, who also died of asphyxiation due to pressure put on him by the cops (while they were laughing about it), Zachary Hammond, Daniel Shaver….quite a few others-cant think of their names right now…..so feel free to look it up IDIOT! Whose the idiot now? The main media doesnt take vids of this happening to whites to viral levels…its just a simple fact that YOU dont get yet! You just want to silence the truth!! And Ive never denied any claims of bad cops killing innocent black people, but they also kill white people! See, thats how people like you work! I am upset about it, have been since I saw the vid!!! I hate that POS cop!! Once again, you accuse me of something I never said and claiming you know HOW I FEEL when the truth is the EXACT OPPOSITE!! AND HIS NAME IS GEORGE FLOYD, NOT GREG LLOYD….(idiot).

    Now do yourself a favor before you make yourself look even more stupid and look them up!

  102. Ricky Ricardo Says:

    There is of course free speech. But just because you CAN say something doesn’t mean you SHOULD. If you want to exercise your right of free speech that’s fine, but be ready to shoulder the consequences on what you say.

    This is something that most people never even think about. Mainly because many people speak out of ignorance and don’t really understand the topic- whatever it may be at the time.

    But I tell you what… Drew, you can NEVER do the BABALU!

  103. Stanglassman Says:

    The thoughtful smart posters saying thoughtful smart points. And the dummies saying dumb stuff. I was hoping someone would surprise me. It’s amazing how much football opinions translate to political ones.

    It’s shocking all the people who wanted a ‘real’ (meaning white) Qb and question Jameis’s intelligence are now defending Brees. Just kidding it’s not shocking AT ALL.

  104. Oneilbucs Says:

    Dapostman I was just telling you the way it was when I was growing up . It was a common thing that happened all the time ware I’m from. But at the same time you are a white guy and you are not considered a threat like I was back then and even now . You have scary cops out there but they are waaaaay more afraid of me then you . And it’s because of my skin color . We have steroid types of being a criminal waaaaay more than white guys . You said twice but it’s been a common thing in my neighborhood . I have been pulled over just because of driving by seartin neighborhoods . You can’t tell me or anyone else that they treat white men the same way they treat black or latino men and that’s just the truth . The cops was wrong for treating you that way and that’s why you should stand with minorities instead of making excuses for injustice that happens in this country .

  105. Dapostman Says:

    O’Neil,

    Hate to bring facts to you but 93% of black murder victims are killed by a black person most likely a black male. That is the number one cause of death of young black men. That means you are more likely to lose your life at the hands of one of your brothers than any cop black or white. Also 42% of police are killed by black men who are about 7% of the population. Do you see a correlation as to why police may be jumpy around black males?

    Hope you have your home protection in order because you may just need it.

    Remember when the police are minutes away seconds matter.

  106. webster Says:

    Dapostman

    89% of whites are killed by whites so what is your point? I will help you. People are killed by those they hang around. That is why when wife or husband is killed, investigators start with the spouse or those who were close with the victim. That has nothing to do with cops killing blacks unjustifiably. No matter how you try to spin it, you are 100% wrong. Fyi…..blacks are not protesting blacks simply being murdered. They are protesting those who took an oath to protect and serve getting a pass for killing unarmed black men without any punishment. Im still not sure why this is so hard to understand.

  107. webster Says:

    Dapostman

    89% of whites are killed by whites so what is your point? I will help you. People are killed by those they hang around. That is why when wife or husband is killed, investigators start with the spouse or those who were close with the victim. That has nothing to do with cops killing blacks unjustifiably. No matter how you try to spin it, you are 100% wrong. Fyi…..blacks are not protesting blacks simply being murdered. They are protesting those who took an oath to protect and serve getting a pass for killing unarmed black men without any punishment. Im still not sure why this is so hard to understand

  108. webster Says:

    @ madax. My name is not tampa tony. And again you are the idiot. You are just like the orange idiot who spew lies and conspiracy theories that you cant validate. Like i said, if whites are getting killed by cops unjustifiably as blacks then that would be VIRAL!!!! You know how i know? White people/media are still crying about who killed jean bonet ramsey. GTFOOH

  109. webster Says:

    @ madmax. Fyi… you have articles from 2020 still investigating jean bonet ramsey death and you want to spew the false narrative that an affiliate like fox news wouldnt be showing a viral video of an unarmed white conservative protestant being killed by a cop? Again GTFOOH!!!!!

  110. ©MadMax Says:

    Ok web, i gave you info to look up, learn some facts for yourself and you chose to be ignorant to it. Thats a choice by YOU to be the idot…a prime example of “you cant fix stupid”….except in this situation, someone tried with your dummarse. Eh, keep spouting your nonsense knowitall when you refuse to learn a dam thing!!!

  111. webster Says:

    Madmax. I gave you facts of centuries and as i said, i aint seen viral videos even being pumped by fox news. Whoopty doo. You have 2 white guys who MAY have been unjustifiably killed but im willing to bet they deserved to be killed way more than the blacks that people are protesting about because fox news dont even share the names or videos you speak of. You found some far far far right wing propaganda conspiracy theory story and trying to equate it centuries/decades of social injustice towards blacks and minorities. Do you really want to go down the line? Meger evers, emmitt till, tamir rice, greg, travon martin, rodney king, walter scott, freddie gray, fernando castille, breonna taylor, sandra bland etc. You are worst than a blind man because you have sight but refuse to see. You are the idiot.

  112. ©MadMax Says:

    webby, your comprehension skills make me embarrassed for you….where tf have i brought up ramsey or fox news? You apparently on some stuff boy…smdh

  113. webster Says:

    @madmax. As i said, if whites are being killed by the cops in the same manner as blacks unjustifiably in the same number per capita, then you sir are foolish … Glad you are not on my team or in my family. You are WEAK!!!!

  114. webster Says:

    I brought up fox news for your WEAK a$$. I brought up ramsey for your WEAK a$$. You keep trying to say whites die like blacks from the hands of cops but the “media” dont discuss it. I simply pointed out you are full of s#!+ because fox news would have definitely brought out the videos and the fact white media still cry about jean bonet ramesy, they definitely would be crying about white men in today being killed by cops unjustifiably. No sir, your comprehension skills are weak and your consiparcy theories dont work with me.

  115. ItzOK Says:

    Brees can be offended for people protesting during the Anthem even as we realize what they are protesting.

    People can be offended by Brees’s view but t can’t shut down freedom of speech and attack the guy if his view doesn’t fit your narrative.

    Brees shouldn’t have apologized for anything. People being offended are always offended by something and need to get over themselves.

  116. Bucsfanman Says:

    For most of us, our experiences define who we are and how we view things. What I see are a lot of different people very angry. Rightfully so. George Floyd could be anyone; You, your wife, your son, your daughter, a friend.
    Nobody should have to fear death by the hands of those that are meant to protect us.
    It takes ONE instance, ONE, to lose trust.

  117. Oneilbucs Says:

    Depostman You are stupid with a statement like that . The American media has tried to make black people look bad for decades . They put our crimes on the news to paint a bad picture of my people but trust me when I tell you this . They focus on the bad apples of black people that lead you and others to believe that lie . 89% of murders that go on across the country is done by a white man killing another white man and that’s facts . The media just don’t put it on T.V and they focus on the positive things about white people and they hide the truth. They love to say that white people that kills people has a mental problem . People kill people regardless of their color because of sin . And by the way I don’t live in the hood no more bro .

  118. Oneilbucs Says:

    Depostman and by the way it’s white man that get in more shoot out with the cops than black man .

  119. Buddhaboy19 Says:

    Never ever apologize to the leftist woke mobsters. It’s like putting blood in a piranha tank . Look, no one likes what happened to GF, but dozens of deaths later and many destroyed cities, is this enough justice for his family? Just insanity rules the day in the clownworld

  120. Oneilbucs Says:

    Buddhaboy this don’t have nothing to with politics and things like this happens all the time . Stop with the looting stuff because most of those people are white . And no one agrees with the looting so just stop with the politics stuff because that dummy that’s in the white house has destroyed this country . He a racist and he has always been a racist just like he wouldn’t let minorities live in his hotel . So shut up ..

  121. Bobby Says:

    9 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019. This is hardly systemic racism.
    STFU and keep this site about football. If I want to listen to BS I’ll tune into CNN. Dozens of blacks killing blacks every friggin’ weekend in Chicago and it’s crickets but when it’s white on black crime it’s “systemic racism”. The cop was a bad cop…period. Doesn’t make every cop bad. Then they want to make Floyd out to be a saint. Read his rap sheet. Broke into the house of a pregnant black woman with 4 other men, and Floyd held a gun to her stomach while they robbed her. Yeah, he was a sweetheart. No excuse for how he died, it was inexcusable but I’m tired of the lies that get perpetrated like “hands up, don’t shoot,” which never happened. Obama’s own justice dept acquitted the policeman in that instance and said Michael Brown was high and trying to wrestle the gun away from the cop. And you’re outraged he got shot??!
    There’s 325 million people in this country and 9 unarmed blacks are killled by police last year and somehow we’re to believe that’s systemic racism. A police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than a black male is to be killed by a police officer.
    Bad cops need to be rooted out and fired or prosecuted, period. Same with bad citizens. These cops are the same ones who run into burning buildings on 9/11 to save people. They didn’t care what your race was. Learn the facts and quit believing everything you hear on the news.

  122. MadMax Says:

    Webby, weak is the 5 thuggies beating on the white couple with 2×4″s while defending their store, beating that woman while she was on the ground. Thats the kind of team you’re on isnt it? Well believe me, those animals would’ve been treated with some hot lead therapy if that was me. I like you thinking im weak. I like being underestimated by low iq punks like you. Gotta get back to work now, and besides, I hate wasting my time with the low iq…and it hurts my brain. Im sure you’ve got your looting to get back to anyway…smdh!

  123. Bobby Says:

    Oneilbucs, facts are facts buddy. Blacks are 13% of the population and account for nearly 50% of the crime. The vast majority of that is black on black crime.
    You dont need to fear the police or whites. You need to fear your own race. Keep voting for the people who run these inner cities. They’ve been promising they’ll change things for decades and have things changed? Trump doesn’t run Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC, LA, or any other major city in the USA run by democrats for the last 50 years. Do you just want to remain ignorant? It was Trumps father who had a lawsuit filed by a black woman (1 incident) and he won the lawsuit. Donald Trump wasn’t even in the business yet. Again, do your homework before you post.

  124. Oneilbucs Says:

    Bobby you just another old white bitter white man who is still mad about the Civil War . Talk about the white people who kill people every day . Every race kill each other because of conflict they are not killing each other because of the color of their skin dummy !!!

  125. Bobby Says:

    I’m not bitter about anything and I am certainly not mad about the civil war. Slavery is a blight on this country and the entire world. I’m proud that this nation fought to abolish it. We’re not a perfect nation but we are a nation that fights for good and against evil. This country does NOT condone racism. If it did then there would never have been a civil war, no whites would have stood with blacks for civil rights in the 60’s and there would have been no outrage against what happened to George Floyd. Are there racists? Sure. Always has been and always will be in every race. There will always be evil and good people will always stand against it but rioting and looting should always be condemned as counterproductive.

  126. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    In 2019, police killed 1,098 people. Of those, only 24% were people of color. If anything, non-black people are being targeted.

  127. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Nationally.

  128. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    And I do not believe any race is being targeted, regardless of my comment above.

    Racism continues because of the prevailing ‘Us’ vs ‘Them’ mentality.
    So when protesting, voicing an opinion on the matter, or taking action, use methods which promote UNITY, not division. That is how hearts will change.
    Maintain this policy in all areas of your life and others will do the same. When you see those people who speak in terms of division, do not engage in the same manner.

    Instead, of ‘Blue Lives Matter’ or ‘Black Lives Matter., it should be ‘All Lives Matter’, because otherwise, we are maintaining and ‘Us’ vs ‘Them’ mentality.

  129. Natron Says:

    Pewter Lives Matter !!!!!

  130. Cobraboy Says:

    So woke hits the NFL.

    OK.

    Don’t be surprised if more don’t find some other pastime on Sunday afternoons.

    And now looks like woke is infecting Joe Bucs Fans.

    This crap gets old.

    Football was one of the last bastions of shelter from political turmoil. No more. Woke = NFL now.

    You know what they say: “Get woke and go broke.”

  131. Bobby Says:

    I agree. They start taking a knee again I’m gone. I can live without football on Sunday.

  132. Oneilbucs Says:

    Bobby please go because if you leave that’s one less bitter white man who does not care about change . Who’s want to keep things the same old way . The NFL will not go out of business if you are the rest of the klan don’t come . I will take your place at the bucs game this year .

  133. Oneilbucs Says:

    Cobraboy when they use the word woke all it means is it’s time to wake up and end racism . Why do some of yall white people just can’t let it go ?? What happened in Minnesota has been a problem for a long time . 9/11 every body will agree that was wrong right but police brutally is ok and we need to stick to sports . That’s mentally of racist white people and you are the problem with this country . That’s why I know America IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE ..

  134. Oneilbucs Says:

    Bonzai You are crazy because we have been asking for that for over 400 years and white people still don’t really care . I love what they are doing by bringing it up and putting it in the faces of the white Americans. The only thing we ever ask for is to be treated the same way as white people or treated . But that’s a problem as well because yall care more about a flag then a human life . So you know what I wish all yall will stay home be mad because yall don’t deserve to sing The National Athem because yall want this country to stay just like it’s always have been .

  135. mark2001 Says:

    Oneil…the same guys that believe there is no correlation between this and what Kaepernick did are simply clueless. And the same guys can’t see that black men are treated differently than we white guys by many, and that some rogue police officers use unnecessary violence. Is looting and violence acceptable…no..not at all. Arrest those perps. But as you say, it has been a problem for a long time. Where we differ is that I believe it will change, one way or the other, eventually. Those denying it exists, and refusing to confront it, will only make those changes more destructive and painful to our great nation.

  136. Oneilbucs Says:

    mark2001 I appreciate you bro and we need more people like you brother but I do believe it’s going to get better but a complete change will never happen because of some people just don’t want nothing to change because of their hate and that’s the problem . Now as for Drew Brees I forgive him for what he said because Drew has done a lot for the people in New Orleans and for black people in that city . One of my friends is from their and he love the saints . And he told me that Brees has done a lot for the hood . Even my sister said the same thing about Brees and she don’t watch football . So Brees is ok with me . I just hope he throws at least 5 picks to us . Go bucs ….

  137. Mike Says:

    So we assume he did it because of race? What about a personal vendetta?, a judge dred complex? No possible way it wasn’t race motivated….. maybe the woke need to wake up and realize that all of these people protesting right now who would not be doing so if that guy was Asian,latino or white. The ONLY thing focused on is race, when it should be the terrible thing that police brutality is to people of ALL races and backgrounds.

  138. Oneilbucs Says:

    Mike then that should make you get even more involve because it happens to some white people . But less tell the truth white man does not get haras like black men do . White men don’t get guns pulled out on them for a regular traffic stop . White men don’t get pulled over for riding 4 deep in a car or less he breaks a law . But guess what as a black male it happens all the time . We can’t ride in surent neighborhoods or even by them without getting pulled over . Even when we live in the neighborhood we get pulled over waaaaay more then white people . So again you are part of the problem .

  139. Mike Says:

    So I say police brutality is the real problem, and that maybe we should pump the breaks on the fact that we KNOW 100% exactly what was in that POS cops head when he did that terrible act. That makes me part of the problem (aka racist) huh? We will never change if every time a white person gives their point of view it is shot down as ignorant,racist,privileged if it does not agree with your ideas. I wake up every day as a white dude and think wow the whole world hates me. I walked down the halls of my school and had black kids screaming “I f#[email protected]%[email protected] hate white people” but I can’t possibly have any negative experiences in life because I am a white dude.

  140. Mike Says:

    Also my solution, 5 cameras on and around each cop. Everyone acts differently when the lights are on.

  141. Oneilbucs Says:

    Mike it was more white people protesting than black people . Their are white people who looks at something and say that’s wrong . They understand that racism plays apart of police brutally . Race is one of the main reasons it happens to black men . And if you wake up every morning thinking people hate you because you are a white guy . Think about how blacks been feeling and still feel when we wake up in the morning and take a walk . One guy just got killed for jogging and his own neighborhood that he jogges in every morning . You see the difference if you was that guy you wouldn’t have been a target because of your skin color .

  142. Mike Says:

    The assumption that it is ALWAYS skin color is a problem, if you can’t see that then we can’t have dialog.

  143. Oneilbucs Says:

    Mike dialog doesn’t do anything you don’t need dialog when you know the real problem that’s has been a problem for hundreds of years in this country . We didn’t need a dialog when we went to Iraq or Afghanistan everone said it was wrong they way they treated their people but right here in America it seems like no one can understand right or wrong when it comes to people of color . We need a dialog just to recognize that we are not treated like white people instead of just knowing that it’s a problem and start making laws or just saying it’s wrong to treat people of any color that way . We need results no more talking about the problem but actually doing something about it .

  144. Mike Says:

    So what’s the plan?

  145. Mike Says:

    This is what I am talking about, people who think protesting during the anthem is disrespectful are auto racist. What black lives matter don’t get is you could be protesting that the government allows killing babies, lack of government funds for cancer research, or any other cause. Some people don’t care how great the cause is they find ANY protesting DURING the anthem to be upsetting. And you can’t tell people how to feel about that even if you are black and they are white.

  146. mark2001 Says:

    Mike…please. Have you ever been to a sporting event? If you have you have seen multitudes fail to remove their hats, stand, or stop talking during the national anthem or the passing of the flag. Maybe drinking a beer….

    How many times have you seen the people so infuriated about taking a knee, say something to call out the fans showing such disrespect.

    How about your neighbor flying the flag without a light after dark… placing another flag above the American flag. Flying tattered American flags from their truck, on their backs or on their rear ends?

    Please…all this talk about disrespecting the flag or national anthem is pure BS. Admit it…or not, in which case it is all hypocrisy.

  147. Mike Says:

    I can tell you I have seen all of those things, but would be different to fly that flag upside down? Do you think your neighbors would be so quiet about THAT level of disrespect? No, you would get some unfriendly treatment I bet. Or if in the middle of the anthem you started screaming as loud as you can that “America is a $%!^ place” you don’t think something would be said to you??? Many different levels of transgressions exist, don’t try compare oranges to orangutans.

  148. Mike Says:

    And on a personal note, it does not upset me one bit if you take a knee during the anthem, just don’t complain that you pissed alot of people off and throw labels on them because they don’t agree. I am not allowed to push my political and religious ideology while on the clock, as a matter of fact I would be fired for it. So I am free to do it at my place of employment, but I do so at my own peril.

  149. T REX Says:

    If you find yourself saying left or liberal in this discussion YOU are part of the problem. Probably a closet racist as well or maybe you’ve come out of the closet.

    Police brutality has nothing to do with left or right.

    It’s a major problem. Qualified immunity needs to go away. Local DA’s decided whether to prosecute or not. We need independent review panel outside the purview of local corruption. Most cops are good but this is a profession where you can’t have any bad apples. The police union is a problem as well.

    Major reforms are needed.

  150. mark2001 Says:

    I heard no one say left or liberal in this conversation. Is that some magic phrase that is supposed to disarm a valid argument? We are talking about racist and racism.

    If you want to get into the liberal/conservative realm, some calling themselves conservative in leadership are morally immoral or amoral and debt ballooning economic advocates, which to me isn’t conservative at all. So those terms mean little to me. Or them but as a means to an end. They are nothing but dog whistles.

    Most Police Officers are good people. And the bad ones need to be weeded out. That is why conservative or liberal is irrelevant in this discussion. Glad to see Brees eventually get on the right side of this issue…and yes…right as in right and wrong.

  151. T REX Says:

    PS Citing fatality numbers have nothing to do with systemic police brutality and racial issues across police departments. Hell, Lloyd was asphyxiated not shot.

    Some of you lack basic education and it shows. You just vomit what’s on Fox news.

    Sad stuff.

  152. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    mark2001 Says:
    “… have seen multitudes fail to remove their hats, stand, or stop talking during the national anthem or the passing of the flag. Maybe drinking a beer…”
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    I agree with you about so many people not following proper protocols. I would argue, however, that this is not as much disrespect as it is ignorance. The agenda-driven government schools have mostly stopped teaching civics, which is where most people used to learn these things. Many people will do the right thing if you teach them.

  153. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    Mike Says:
    “… would be different to fly that flag upside down? Do you think your neighbors would be so quiet about THAT level of disrespect?”
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    I get your point, but as a matter of federal guidelines, flying the standard upside down is actually a signal of distress. Before the days of radio communication, this is how a military installation or unit would tell those within eyesight that they needed help. Many patriots have taken to wearing shirts or flag pins like this lately, as a political statement.

    This is a pretty obscure fact, and I don’t think most civics classes (if they existed) would even include this.

  154. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    T REX Says:
    “Qualified immunity needs to go away… We need independent review panel outside the purview of local corruption. Most cops are good but this is a profession where you can’t have any bad apples. The police union is a problem as well. Major reforms are needed.”
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    YES! Immunity is a major problem, not just in law enforcement, but in the judiciary. It enables activist judges to get away with deliberately unconstitutional rulings, and to get away with failure to protect the accused from abuse.

  155. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    T REX Says:
    “Citing fatality numbers have nothing to do with systemic police brutality and racial issues across police departments. Hell, Lloyd was asphyxiated not shot.”
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    The fatality numbers demonstrate conclusively that this is more a problem of police misconduct and not as much a racial issue. When you try to ignore this fact, even in the face of hard numbers, you turn off many people who would otherwise readily be your allies.

    This brings me back to the fact that making everything about race is a tool of the people who want to keep us divided. Why do they hide all of the cases of police killing unarmed whites? Because it would demonstrate that we are in this together. Why doesn’t the MSM ever play the speeches of MLK any more? Because his speeches were not pandering to feelings of black separatism. They were sermons to all Americans, of unity and peace. Which is why they killed him. Why did they kill Malcolm X? Because he returned from Mecca with a message of reconciliation and peace.

    Think about it, Brother.

  156. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    Also, those stats say killed, not shot. That would include asphyxiation, I’m pretty sure.

  157. mark2001 Says:

    “Many patriots have taken to wearing shirts or flag pins like this lately, as a political statement…….
    I agree with you about so many people not following proper protocols.”

    So when people do the things you mention…people you like… it is political patriots not showing proper protocol. Or making political statements. I call it blatant disrespect.

    But when a person quietly takes a knee as a political statement about racism, it is disrespect. I didn’t expect you to give me a prime example of the double standard…but you did.

    And then you go further giving us other examples of the double standard and call them patriots. Did they serve in the military as I did? What sacrifice did they make for our country to prove their “patriotism”? Is it because they cry crocodile tear while others sacrifice and die? Make hollow gestures? Man, that is cheap hypocrisy, not patriotism. A few hollow words and tears…please… man…you have given us many.

  158. Mike Says:

    Crocodile tears? People have lost love ones fighting for this country, and every time they hear that song they are having a little funeral inside themselves. I have enough respect to not interrupt them with my own agenda no matter how righteous I believe it to be. If you can not see that dismissal of someone else’s pain is not going to get you anywhere, I don’t know what to say to you.

    Have you ever heard of a draft? Basically slavery with pay, but with the additional benefit of being pushed out into the middle of gun fire bombs,tanks,poison gas,fire, etc. Black and white people went through this together so let’s not step on that moment for Them. Perhaps a 8 minute kneel down by everyone beside their moment, instead of Trumping it.

  159. ©MadMax Says:

    Blatant disrespect is the constant rioting, looting, attacking innocent people, burning innocent buildings (MANY OF THEM OWNED BY BLACK PEOPLE), all of them not having anything to do with the corrupt behavior of corrupt police, and under the guise of the BLM movement. And soooo many of you think thats ok because the MSM and lib leftist leaders tells you its ok…..obama tells you “make them uncomfortable”…..and still, just like the a$$$hat above me, webby, people ignore that police brutality also happens to non-blacks. And then people like me are labeled racist for saying all lives matter, black people too.

    Its funny how all of this is allowed in lib run and controlled cities…they want it! Divide the people and teach the low IQ to dismiss the facts and only follow what they say….meanwhile, those demoncrats are sitting behind their millions and billions of cash, in their mansions, surrounded by armed security while they play you like the puppets you are!

    So you guys doing that, keep it up! You’re losing a lot of non-black AND black people who WERE on your side. I know what its all about…the basic instinct of “whats in it for me”…..”I want free stuff…I want to damage some jit, I want to attack people, F the police-I want to kill them”. Stingy barbaric low IQ animal behavior because nobody is stopping them…in lib run cities! Im lucky my city isnt ran by a bunch of libs (for now anyway). And the right to owning and carrying a riot stopper/looter/building burner is easily obtained.

  160. mark2001 Says:

    Yes Mike…crocodile tears. I know many that consider themselves patriots, just like you do. And most haven’t lost close family or friends in the wars. Patriots serve…period. And draft? Why wait…enlist if you are such a patriot?. Did you serve? I asked a few of them what they think makes them a patriot…some have the audacity to say they talk the talk, pay their taxes, and obey the law. That doesn’t make a patriot. That makes them a citizen, and maybe a good citizen. How they cheapen the word.

    BTW….We all know friends and relatives that paid the price for freedom in America, be it WWII, Vietnam, or otherwise. So yeah… no excuse to disrespect the flag by wearing it on your rear or back, or tattered flying from a truck. Or talk, drink or wear your hat during the presentation of the flag or national anthem.

  161. mark2001 Says:

    Max…rioting and looting is wrong…be it done by white, black, woman, man, or their political persuasion. But that is far different than protesting. Don’t act like Pavlov’s dog when you see a protest and jump off the deep end.

  162. Mike Says:

    A person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. the definition of the word patriot, no part of that insist that one serve in the military. Again non of those transgressions you speak of step on the particular moment of pain sacred to so many. So even if I haven’t served I can at the very minimum be respectful of them, and I have been to games, 25 years worth and I have heard “take your hat off!” Many Many times. Ignorance is one thing, blatantly pissing on someone’s ceremony is another. Stop trying to compare them.

  163. mark2001 Says:

    Bologna Mike…if they were prepared to defend America against our enemies, they would enlist. Period. Talk is cheap, and until you lay it on the line in service, it is simply hot air. Detractors? I don’t think you know what that means. You probably think that means anyone disagreeing with your persuasion or opinions. If you mean anyone trying to undermine the constitution, you might be close. But protesting doesn’t involve that, as it is constitutionally allowed. As General Mattis said, we do know someone who is, but I’ll leave it at that. I don’t advocate violence..particularly domestic.

    And BTW…you can serve in ways other than the military, as we have seen among our brave medical people, risking their lives to serve Americans, in this current crisis. But then, I doubt you served America in that arena either. Patriots serve our country, beyond being good citizens. It doesn’t sound that it includes you.

  164. ©MadMax Says:

    @mark, so none of the rioters and looters/building burners are out there hiding among the peaceful protesters? You see, this is where you guys lose me. Im all for protesting, peaceful protesting, standing for a noble cause. But dont act like its not going to go any further than that once the sun goes down….as clearly evidenced in the last 2 weeks. Oh im sorry, did I just lump peaceful protesters in with the rioters/looters/building burners? Man, how ironic that all white people and good cops are lumped in with racists and corrupt cops, my bad.

  165. Mike Says:

    I am a front liner BTW, and the sacrifices my family made to protect this country have effected us in ways that cannot be measured. But you go ahead and assume that I have no right or reason say I disagree with your meatheads of protesting. Meanwhile my dad had PTSD (because of service)almost killed my mother before he went completely off the edge. We moved clear across the country and picked our self up by the bootstraps, and BTW didn’t have $%!^ growing up! So you go ahead and assume everyone who takes that precious moment seriously is faking it. Because we all know what happens when you assume.

  166. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    @Mark

    I don’t get the anger. I was agreeing with you that people do stuff wrong, all I said is that many don’t know the proper protocols and would follow them if they knew, whether I like them or not.

    It was Mike who brought up the upside down flag, and my point was that that one particular thing is not disrespectful at all. It is an accepted way to fly the fag and has a purpose. Some people will do it intentionally to be disrespectful, I suppose, because they don’t know what it really means, but that is another thing altogether.

  167. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    mark2001 Says:
    “…rioting and looting is wrong…be it done by white, black, woman, man, or their political persuasion. But that is far different than protesting. Don’t act like Pavlov’s dog when you see a protest and jump off the deep end.”
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    The problem is the Marxist politicians are using the peaceful protesters as a backhanded way to keep allowing the rioters to do their thing.

    Once looting starts, then all the streets should be cleared, period. If the peaceful protesters feel wronged by getting curfewed, they can blame it on the rioters not the police.

    Literally over a dozen people have been killed now, and who knows how many maimed, tens of millions of dollars damage, over one death. That is not justice. It’s sick.

  168. mark2001 Says:

    Sure they were hiding in crowds, Max. And that is why they need to be arrested when they loot. Would you like to see all rally’s and protests cancelled because of potential violence? That likely would include many involving the issues you are interest in. But don’t worry about that happening; it wouldn’t be constitutional. At least in the America that exists historically. And some of those looters are white as well as black, from all sides of the political spectrum.

    I believe in the constitution… not a police state that only enforces what I believe. Does that involve some risk? Yes. But the founding fathers believed it was a risk inherent to free speech and the right to assemble and protest.

    And Mike…who do you think didn’t want to properly fund VA hospitals and treatments for many years…and started the wars many have suffered and died in on a false premise? And then they didn’t want to pay for all the costs of war. You can’t just blame the “liberals”….many businesses and conservatives profited greatly from the war…and left the Vets holding the bag. Think about it. It is all precious.. and serious…Wars…Vets suffering in every war and afterwards, some just not recognized for their sacrifice and not receiving proper care … rogue police officers killing people for little good reason…protesting racism… looting…good officers being tarnished with the stench of a few…the attempts by some to destroy the constitutional framework… the destruction of our relationships with our allies….unemployment, bankruptcy and the future of many…a pandemic that has killed over 110,000 Americans.

    The difference is Mike, that I take it all seriously. And the bedrocks for me are the Constitution and the Bible. You only seem to take the things seriously that directly effect you or what you believe. Millions will be having to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps” after the effects of this pandemic, the looting, and the current policies in Washington. Very sad. And I hope your dad finds some peace, as well as your family. He paid a great price for our freedom…in my book those guys in combat (I wasn’t so I don’t count myself in the same league) are the true Heroes. And many that returned had a piece of themselves die in combat.

  169. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    @mark2001

    I went back and reread what I wrote: “I agree with you about so many people not following proper protocols. I would argue, however, that this is not as much disrespect as it is ignorance.”
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    It is poorly worded. I should have said “not ALWAYS about disrespect.” Because you are right, it often is. But I have occasionally asked somebody next to me to doff their hat for the anthem, and they do it.

  170. mark2001 Says:

    And lastly on this topic mike… If we want to really show our patriotism, and love for our Vets and their sacrifice, we need to do whatever it takes to provide every service necessary for our vets. It is shameful that some have to go on the media and ask citizens to provide funding to help vets. That is a responsibility we have when we start a war. They don’t want our tears..or our parades…they want support to get their life back and live as normally as possible. Just like those patriots and heroes that served us during the twin tower terrorist attack having to ask for medical treatment and financial assistance. We ought to be ashamed they have to do such a thing…that there should even be a question of how they are going to afford the care.

  171. mark2001 Says:

    And if we don’t do that for them Mike, we don’t treat them like patriots and heroes. We make them feel like suckers, for giving so much while draft dodgers and such lived the high life, had good families, and didn’t deal with al the pain and suffering. And then those dodger make a speech, have a parade, and call themselves patriots, while living the high life and refusing to help out the real patriots…the real heroes? Oh man…horrible.

  172. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    >>Patriots serve our country, beyond being good citizens. It doesn’t sound that it includes you.<<
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    It is bad form to assume what's in someone's heart, Mark. The more I learn about the way our military has been used in the middle east, the more I understand why PTSD is increased so much in recent generations, and the more I understand people not wanting to serve.

    When I signed up I did so out of a sense of obligation. I'm still proud of my service, but i don't put that sense of obligation on other people any more.

  173. ©MadMax Says:

    mark, i dont like the idea of a police state either, but when animals are out of control messing with law abiding citizens, then do what needs to be done!!!! We will comply, so stop acting like its an ok free for all for every criminal. You seem intelligent but miss me at times.

    All i know is this BS has to stop before people become marked targets by those of us fed up with it! And thats all i’ll say about that

  174. Mike Says:

    Why is so important and necessary for this moment to step on that paticular moment of pain for many Americans? Can we not share pain next to each other? Taking a knee before and after the moment would bring out the ignorant “you can’t do that” crowd and still bring as much attention (more of it positive, and isn’t that the idea here) to the moments pain. Great pain and suffering is great pain and suffering, let’s not tell others our pain and suffering is bigger and worse than theirs. I want this $%@# to work out for everyone, I am just suggesting that maybe a different approache might achieve better results, that if you want real results, work with people(your fellow Americans, assuming you are one)and not try to be divisive.

  175. mark2001 Says:

    BC…don’t think there is one bit more PTSD. It is the experience that causes it..not the date or year. It is just that we swept it under the carpet. Ever want to watch a great movie that expresses that, watch “the best years of their lives”. William Wyler was the director. He was there and was in documenting actual bombing missions in WWII. It is on TCM right now on demand. It was an oscar winning movie, and in it one of the main characters, was a flying fortress pilot with PTSD in WWII that can’t get a good job. And others that had a heck of a time adjusting from war with injuries and such.

    I had an uncle that dealt with the bodies in the Pacific Campaign as a young man… was functional but basically an alcoholic, that would never talk about it…bottled it all inside. It is just that in that age, many of the things people kept inside and family tragedies were private.

  176. Mike Says:

    Wow, you are all over the place.

  177. mark2001 Says:

    Wow mike.,…that was for BC..not you. PTSD hasn’t increased…it was just buried in being considered “private”. I am capable of discussing many things.