“It’s Often Counterproductive”

June 13th, 2020

One guy has a lot of street cred when he talks about Tom Brady and the extreme expectations that come with a legendary quarterback arriving to a crappy team.

When Brett Favre was traded to the Jets at 39 years old, Eric Mangini was their head coach. You think expectations are high for the Bucs this season with Brady? They were every bit as high for the Jets in the media capital of the world. Those Jets went 8-3 but crumbled to finish 9-7.

Mangini also was Bill Belicheat’s former Boy Wonder assistant defensive coach with the Jets and then earning rings with New England, where he spent six years around Brady.

Add Mangini to the list of pundits saying Brady’s new teammates have no idea what they’re in for when it comes to pressure and scrutiny. And for some of them, it won’t go well.

“It’s incredibly difficult and it’s the problem that Cleveland went through last year,” Mangini said on ESPN TV. “When you insert significant expectations to a season, everything changes.

“The way that people play you [changes], the way that you’re perceived externally and the pressure that guys often put on themselves because of those expectations, it’s often counterproductive and not an asset at all. As much as people want to be recognized and to be respected, often times they can’t handle the pressure that comes with those expectations.”

Now Joe’s not about to compare the 2019 Browns to the 2020 Bucs, but Joe gets what Mangini’s saying and he’s certainly been in those situations.

Mangini added that what’s normal for Brady and Rob Gronkowski will have them putting even more pressure on their new teammates.

Joe has no doubt that some Bucs will crumble and others will thrive under this high-pressure season. Hopefully, the balance is just right and enough to vault them into the playoffs.

39 Responses to ““It’s Often Counterproductive””

  1. Casual Observer Says:

    Naturally expectations are sky high. Seems to me that there is enough maturity on the roster to overcome the worries expressed here. Think positive!

  2. Bobby M. Says:

    Cleveland went with high profile WRs matched up with a completely unproven coach and QB…..bit of a difference when comparing Brady and Arians.

  3. Smashsquatch Says:

    Yeah, I’m not going to compare Baker Mayfield, Freddie Kitchens and the selfish diva OBJ to Tom Brady, Bruce Arians and Rob Gronkowski. Are you serious?

  4. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Ole stale biscuit is the one to watch for “crumbling” under pressure and expectations!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quick question sheep!!!!!!!! Which playoff victory, was the most impressive???????? Its a trick question sheep, because there has been only one playoff victory by ole stale biscuit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Here is another quick question, what crumbles faster than a cookie???? An OLE STALE BISCUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The truth will be exposed in 2020 again!!!!! The only question, is what new excuse will the sheep come up with??????????

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. SB Says:

    @Realist………..I have lost all respect for you. Your Shtick is getting too old.
    Real it in bud.

  6. El Buco Realisto Says:


    Then that is a one way street, my old friend!!!!!!!!!

    Let me ask you this, Do you “respect” the GM and ole stale biscuit, that came out of retirement to fix and work with jay-miss, only to send him packing??????? Do respect them how they said coaching was the issue, and they pulled out a 7-9 losing season!!!!!!!!!! Do you respect all the tough talk we heard last year, that never came true????????? Do you respect all of the scapegoating from last years failure ????????????

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. SB Says:

    Hey man I have been chatting with you for years! I am just saying that you are getting off the charts with your rants.
    Tighten up man! Your takes used to be things I read and analyzed regularly!

  8. Mike Johnson Says:

    El Buco Realist, you have gotten to the point where you truly suck eggs.

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ SB

    It’s called being a “one-trick pony”……….

  10. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Same question Realist……


  11. El Buco Realisto Says:


    Better than the “fairytale unicorn” that farts rainbow confetti that you portray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Those Jets went 8-3 but crumbled to finish 9-7.

    Favre threw 9 interceptions and was sacked 9 times in those last 5 games.
    Gee, that sounds like Bucs recent history.

  13. kmattin Says:

    My only expectation is that Brady won’t throw as many interceptions as touchdowns.

  14. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    El Sucko Pessimisto

    The only farts you experience are when your are humping your sheep’s wrong hole….

  15. stpetebucsfan Says:

    My son the Brown’s fan expressed grave reserve before last season began based largely with the mix of “independent” “know it all” players with a raw rookie Head Coach. He blames last year on coaching and he’s still not totally in Mayfield’s camp. After 5 years of JW I told him I know how he feels.

    I agree with all the “nervous nellie” pundits who are now doing a great job of “concern trolling” with the Bucs. I call BS.

    I mean really…do you want this team to have the same expectations as many of our fans who suffer from battered fan syndrome. You want them to believe that well…it’s all just PR and we’re not really that good…we’re headed for a fall…OR..we are locked and loaded this year we may never pass this way again.
    Therefore I’m going to put 110% effort into EVERYTHING I do this year. It’s all about my performance and nobody’s talk or opinion.

    I’m obviously totally biased and this is certainly wishful thinking to folks like Mike Williams…but he can do the worrying for me as well because I”m visualizing the Bucs running out onto the field with Queen’s “We Will Rock You” thundering in the background. I think these guys are going to be READY!

  16. BringBucsBack Says:

    Mancini makes some salient points here but;

    1. “significant expectations”: Doesn’t every team have them every year?

    2. “Crappy team”: I wonder how many teams would even approach .500 with such a disparaging turnover margin & poor “un”special teams?

  17. ©MadMax Says:

    We were a “great decision making QB” away from the playoffs last year. Now we have one. And Im confident the run game will be much improved too, especially with our new guy Wirfs leading that charge.

    Just sit back and enjoy guys and gals…smile….you too realist.
    I put a 100 on us winning it all and Im pretty confident in it. Its not pocket change but I can afford it….i’ll have 1k sitting in that account if we do.

    Tampa Bay vs Sanfran nfc
    KC vs Baltimore afc

  18. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Can’t wait until this time next year, when mad max will be saying how “we were just a few more practices away from having a playoff team last year” !!!!!!!! And how another year in the system will “make this team unstoppable”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    @Realisto Why don’t you shove all that negativity up your sheep’s patutty. While I don’t comment often, I read this every day. And am sick of reading your negative BS. Have a nice day.

  20. ©MadMax Says:

    realist, youre on some stuff i guess….what is it? meth? you are constantly wrong on here over the years and constantly make posts against the team, but then end it with “go bucs”….are you 90 yrs old with dementia or something? You always seem confused but act like you’re the jit on here with your laughable “herd the sheep”….legend in your own mind there boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  21. SB Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    June 13th, 2020 at 12:30 pm
    El Sucko Pessimisto

    The only farts you experience are when your are humping your sheep’s wrong hole….


    Wouldn’t that be called a “Sheep Queef?”

  22. stpetebucsfan Says:


    I would not bet against your final four.

    I think they are the four best teams. Although I do not believe there is a great deal of difference in N.O. and S.F.

    I think KC still has the inside track as my #1 seed but hopefully the Bucs would figure a way to play with them if they make it that far.

  23. SB Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    June 13th, 2020 at 12:06 pm
    @ SB

    It’s called being a “one-trick pony”……….


  24. ©MadMax Says:

    stpete, the aints are divided and too controversial right now and will cave….im not even predicting them to be in the playoffs. I could be wrong but thats what my crystal ball is showing.

  25. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Hope you’re right!

  26. D1 Says:

    El pessimistico,

    What specifically did Arians and/or light attempt to scapegoat?
    Also, what tough talk are you constantly referring to?

    Arians came out of retirement to coach an NFL team. If you believe He actually returned to fix winston then you’ve been bamboozled!

    After working with winston up close and personal, Arians knew that winston was fubar. And in the exact spirit of which you claim is nonexistent, BA held winston accountable and sent him to canton.

    Please find the exact quotes from BA where he makes excuses ? As far as not attaining a winning season, BA sent the NFL interceptions leader and historic pick sixer to be swept away with the next hurricane, thereby removing the single greatest impediment in the quest for a winning season.

    Signing Brady moves the goal posts from 9-7 to the Super Bowl.

    On a personal note, what satisfaction do you recieve from posting the same chicken lil, sky is falling post over and over day in day out. Do you see yourself as a modern day Noah . Warning the bucs sinful fans of the great cleaning that’s coming. A notorious Internet villian. Infamous and entertaining. The Bad Guy!

    Seriously, jbf readers almost unanimously think you’re a complete d head . Who gives 2 sh@ts about a post you reposted 3yrs ago. Obviously you do, and it’s to what…..make us believe your the soothsayer of the prestigious largo mobile estates. You think being right glorifies you! Wrong diaper stain! It does not.

    Calling yourself a leader? Who follows a blind critic with a studder..and a full depends. You couldn’t lead a rat snake out of a garden hose with a handicapped rat and pack of matches..

    Bring a fresh take …..

  27. DBS Says:

    Still LMAO. You are not the shepherd. You were a member of the flock and had the staff broke off in your a$$ like the rest of us by the best. A sheep can’t be a shepherd. Give it up Realist. The Your sheep crap is stolen never was and never will be yours.

  28. ©MadMax Says:

    LOLOLOL…Holy jit D1 brought it!!! Thank you Sir! So well said and now he cant even try….ROFLMAO WOW!!!!

  29. Clean House Says:

    Realist speaks the truth
    BS and Licht are terrible
    Didn’t complete the job at hand with the JW +5000 yard NFL leading passer
    They are phony backstabbers and their house of cards will surely crumble

  30. Youngbucs Says:

    Clean House you need some new material already. I know it’s difficult but come on try a little harder.

  31. ©MadMax Says:

    Thats right cleanhouse, they backstabbed….so did every other team that didnt want jw3, whose relegated to a 3rd stringer 1.1 mill maker now…..you’re on it my man, you are WINNING!!! Why is it nobody is smart enough to see it the way you do?

  32. Howard Cos;ll Says:

    She said, “it’s really not my habit to intrude
    Furthermore, I hope my meaning won’t be lost or misconstrued
    But I’ll repeat myself at the risk of being crude
    There must be fifty ways to lose the season
    Fifty ways to lose the season
    You just whiff on the back, Jack
    Make a bad plan, Stan
    You chase the decoy, Roy

    Hop before the snap, Gus
    You don’t need to discuss much
    Just drop off the i-n-t, Lee
    And get yourself free

  33. Howard Cosell Says:

    She said, “it’s really not my habit to intrude
    Furthermore, I hope my meaning won’t be lost or misconstrued
    But I’ll repeat myself at the risk of being crude
    There must be fifty ways to lose the season
    Fifty ways to lose the season
    You just whiff on the back, Jack
    Make a bad plan, Stan
    You chase the decoy, Roy

    Hop on the bus, Gus
    You don’t need to discuss much
    Just drop the int, Lee
    And get yourself free

  34. Clean House Says:

    Those clowns helped create a bad narrative for JW by the way they acted during the situation.
    They’re scum

  35. Clean House Says:

    I highly question Arians dedication to helping JW
    I think he’s a lazy disgusting blowhard phony

  36. Delusional Intelligence Says:

    Some people type just to read what they think.

    *** No exclamation points, question marks or other forms of punctuation were hurt during this post.

  37. ©MadMax Says:

    ^ @Delusional, yep.

  38. I Bleed Pewter Says:

    As long as Brady doesn’t give the ball away like he’s handing out Halloween candy we should be in a lot of games till the last 2 minutes. Something we couldn’t count on with crabman.

  39. Clean House Says:

    Joe Bucs Fan = Fake news

    Thanks for erasing half my posts. As well as other posters agreeing with my points. Thanks for the erasing!